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[–][deleted] 137 points138 points139 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Stop caring about the outcome of the situation when you talk to them and be present in the moment.
You’re comfortable talking to what you may call a 5 because you don’t care what she thinks about.
You’re uncomfortable talking to what you may call a 10 because you care too much what she thinks about you.
[–]Importantmessage2000 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t suppress your feelings just to appeal to this misunderstood idea of “being cool” or “comfortable”
A lot of women (mostly the mature ones) might feel flattered and honored to see a man displaying his true feelings and it’s ok to care about what they think of you because you’re displaying vulnerability to connect with others
[–]FenrirApalis 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly this
[–]WeakEmu8 132 points133 points134 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What's a 10?
Seriously, stop assessing women this way, for a start. They're either someone you're attracted to, or aren't. 1 or 2. A or B.
Then remember, be outcome independent, focus on enjoying right here and now. Later doesn't exist. Tomorrow doesn't exist.
[–]Dangerous-Socks 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly! Wtf is a 10 or 5 it’s all relative
[+]No-Department6252 -38 points-37 points-36 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ignoring a woman's smv doesnt help anyone. A 10 is a girl who is in the top tier when it comes to looks, and is also emotionally stable. Meaning she does not have any phycological abnormalities. She also has high socio economic status. this girl can attract the top 1% of guys without a problem.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP is talking about the initial approach, so a "10" in that context is 100% based on physical appearance. She could be up to her eyeballs in debt and batshit crazy for all he knows.
Nothing is gained by putting her up on a pedestal before she's even opened her mouth.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"No matter how hot she is, someone somewhere is sick of putting up with her shit."
She ain't perfect. She ain't the key to a life of happiness for you. She's just a person like any other person. Realistically speaking, there's a 99.99% chance that she isn't a good match for you. Even if you do everything perfectly, she's probably going to be a distant memory in a few months or years.
So... take all that pressure you're putting on yourself and throw it in the garbage where it belongs. Just relax and talk to her. Be curious. Have fun.
[–]JacobMoogberg69 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Exposure, exposure, exposure. Just gotta find a way to hang around them.
[–]elpayasoeso11 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can’t agree more!!
[–]No-Department6252 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
to get a 10 you must be a 10
[–]top_doc_ken 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I respectfully disagree.
[–]paddywacknack 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A guy who is a 10 isnt a male model ( though he could be).
A male 10 hits all the personality boxes.
Funny, kind, sociable, spontaneous etc..
[–]Aggravating_Farm_125 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I kind of agree most of the times. Everyone is attracted to looks. I know it’s shallow but that’s the motherfucking truth. You need that or money most of the times with 10s. It’s not impossible to get a 10 if you click with them. IDK
[–]New_Sock6775 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
U lost when you see her a 10, you not seeing her as a equal your looking up to her. You treating her like she a unicorn because u look up to her. think of her as a equal
[–]_LilDuck 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Unless you also think you're a 10
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This
[–][deleted] 77 points78 points79 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I saw a 10 today, literally almost coomed in my pants on the spot
[–]devnasty009 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now THIS is a comment 😹
[–]Lotus_82 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Jesus dude lol how can seeing a woman affect you that much?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I’m on tren lol
[–]Mog_Melm 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Bruh, get off the roids! Please don't play games with your body's future just to get muscle.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m willing to take 10-20 years off the end of my life to live the life I want now. I also don’t abuse PEDs and take the necessary risk mitigation protocols like keeping blood pressure, heart rate and general blood markers in check.
My diet is extremely dialled in, better than most of the population. Think about how many fat fucks you see walking around at 60-70 years old? I reckon I could keep my health as good as theirs, if not better, by exercising hard and eating low fat, high carb (low glycemic index carbs), and high protein (lessening protein consumption as I age) and training extremely hard (which I have been doing before PEDs, e.g. squatted 500lbs at 190lbs when I was 17 naturally).
Additionally, not making the mistake of blasting into your 40s like many guys do who can’t let go. Of course there are risks, even with mitigation protocols, anything can happen at anytime but that’s true with anything in life.
It’s better than drinking, smoking and eating like shit, at least in my opinion.
[–]Mog_Melm 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, in addition to shaving 10-20 years off your life, you are also doing healthy things.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well yeah, if I wasn’t doing those things, there’d be more potential for serious health problems that would shave way more than 20 years off my life.
[–]Mog_Melm 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/b2/3d/c3b23d61903db8e101b92122ad755809.jpg
Or you could diet, exercise, AND stop using roids. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about whether you're doing something stupid.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure what your point here is.
[–]NewCommonSensei 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She is hot but is she cool 😎 that’s the real question
[–]earsurgery9 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
just know that it's basically out of your control. You really don't need to stress. She either is attracted to you or she isn't. People stress because they are still stuck in 2007 and are thinking about all kinds of theory and stuff when talking too a cute girl. Relax
[–]TheSunshineMan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd say the opposite..
Not having guidance or a framework to follow IS why most guys fail at daygame or game in general.
Just be yourself and the girls will get in line is why if you take away the top 10% of guys, the average guy sleeps with 1.5 women in his entire life.
Just winging it..
Does. Not. Work.
[–]earsurgery9 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's just not hard. Chat, flirt and escalate. She made her mind up before you said hi lol. The 'framework' is just obvious. It's like telling people you need to turn the heat on before frying the meat lol. You don't need to buy a course or memorise or think about this stuff unless you are someone with extreme social issues
[–]RussianEntrepreneur 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's just another human like you. There are seven billion of us. Remember this fact.
[–]TheNerdsQuest 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will suggest something that I don't think anyone has yet suggested in this thread:
Spend time with strippers and/or escorts, specifically the ones you are the most intimidated by.
The easiest thing would be to go to a decent strip club, wait until you see a girl like this, then ask her for a private dance. Depending on the strip club, you might be able to talk to some of the strippers at the bar. They are generally quite flirty and will likely end up trying to persuade you to get a private dance with them. Either way, it's a place where you can build up some exposure so you don't freak out when you're doing it out in the real world.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I try to remember that whilst I’m programmed to be attracted to her, she’s not a goddess, she’s just a big hairy mammal like the rest of us; she shits, pisses, vomits, cries, battles mental issues, does stupid regrettable shit, will look like crap in 2 or 3 decades and will eventually become centipede food or a pile of ashes.
Besides, it’s her job to reject you, not yours.
[–]Narrow_Sea_8505 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
first off get that rating system out of your head, no one is a 10 or a 0.
Second off, dont have an end goal in mind, when talking to hot women or women you like in general. When I say dont have an end goal, I mean dont talk to her with the intention of asking her out or sleeping with her. Just be in the moment and try to make that moment as fun as possible for the both of you whether, its by flirting, or joking around. And if the opportunity arises, ask if she wants your number. If she doesnt, nothing you can do about it, and its not a loss because you did what probably 90% of other guys couldnt, and that was giver her a fun time. You'll get the next one. Or wont, but that wont matter to you because it wont phase you if the next hot woman rejects you.
[–]antonthecad 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I strongly disagree with your second point. You absolutely need a general structure to be able to get what you want. You're not talking to this hot girl because you want to be her friend, you want to fuck her so act like it. Having that structure/roadmap let's you work efficiently and when there are curveballs you can find your way back to the straight and narrow. Obviously it's not a laser focused interaction but having the guidelines stops you doing things like giving her your number...which is a terrible idea.
So in answer to the OP's question...just do what you do with the other girls through practice. You need to get desensitized enough to realise that you've met most archetype of women before and then you just work around the nuances.
[–]Narrow_Sea_8505 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe we can rephrase both our points, when I talk about focusing on the outcome, I mean when a guy is so focused on the end goal of fucking a girl or dating her, that everything he does is dependent on getting to the outcome of dating her.
You make a good point about general structure, and I dont mean treat her like a friend. Of course flirt with her, and do all of that stuff because you are interested in her, but at the same time, dont make everything you do based on whether she wants to date you or not.
Im trying to say, focus on the moment, and make the outcome priority number 2, priority number 1 is to have fun with her in that moment. Flirt with her, but dont flirt just so you can get her number, flirt because its fun for you. Escalate not just because you want to sleep with her, but because its fun for you.
[–]TheSunshineMan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Asking if the girl wants your number?
No..
Horrible advice.
Be a man and lead.
[–]Narrow_Sea_8505 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
"Be a man and lead."
Except when the man who has the girls number decides to spam call/text her, or when she ends up giving you a fake number.
I'd rather give the girl my number and move on, because
[–]devnasty009 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Number 1 doesn’t make sense. The pressure is entirely on her to call you if she has your number. Delete that nonsense
[–]Narrow_Sea_8505 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No, it doesnt put pressure on her.
Because its her choice to text or call you.
If its the other way around, theres a possibility, she starts getting spam texts from some crazy guy who wants to get in her pants, or a guy she isnt into who keeps texting her and texting her even though she already said she isnt interested.
Where as: I give her my number, and leave. She can decide if she is interested in me to shoot me a text or a call. Then we understand that there is mutual interest
[–]devnasty009 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But by being the one who is forced to initiate because she has your number and you do not have hers, therefore all the pressure is on her to make first contact.
[–]Narrow_Sea_8505 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually its on her to make the SECOND move. You made the first move when you approached her and started talking to her and gave her your number didnt you?
[–]devnasty009 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes
[–]TheSunshineMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're way overthink about 'other' guys..
This is all wrong for so many reasons..
She's busy and will probably forget.. when she does remember 2 days later, now she's under pressure.. it's been 2 days, should I message him... maybe later. next day, same thing, now it's day 3.. more pressure.. then she's worried about you not responding back.. and she then faces rejection.
She may misplace your number..
Fake numbers.. no, because you're going to text her when she's right there in front of you..
3 - yes she will.. because of all the above reasons..
Woman hate being on the spot for things like this.. just like they hate when a man doesn't lead and come up with date ideas.
Men like confident men, who know what they want and go after it.
Giving a girl your number, shows your unsure of yourself, not confident.
She's busy and will probably forget.. when she does remember 2 days later, now she's under pressure.. it's been 2 days, should I message him... maybe later. next day, same thing, now it's day 3.. more pressure.. then she's worried about
you
not responding back.. and she then faces rejection.
If she is into you, then she wont forget to text you back, and if she does well as I said before, its not your problem, you already made your move, and put the ball in her court. Now its time for her to reciprocate interest. If she doesnt reciprocate, then she wasnt for you in the first place.
If she gives you a fake number in the first place, she isnt interested in talking to you AT ALL, texting her right in front of her only makes it worse, because now she's put on the spot. What are you going to do? FORCE her to give you her number?? The reason she gave you a fake number in the first place is probably because she has rejected men before her when they asked for her number, and she doesnt know if you would react just as bad if she turned down your request for her number. Its not being unconfident, its being aware of the issues that women face today, and being ahead of the game by taking less pressure off of her as well as allowing her to feel comfortable with you.
[–]TheSunshineMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you already made your move, and put the ball in her court.
You just don't get it..
Girls don't like making the first move, which is why very few men get hit on..
They hate the pressure, they deeply feel rejection..
This puts tons of pressure on them..
By doing it your way, you're only losing out on tons of girls.
If she gives you a fake number, it gives her a chance to actually change her mind and give you a real number...
Again.. this puts more girls in your bed over time.
Game is all about maximizing every step of the sales funnel.
By not getting the customers info.. leaving it on them.. you're letting tons of leads go with collecting their info..
The bottom line, you're going to date and sleep with less girls than a guy who gets her number.
[–]Adorable_Albatross94 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I get butterflies in my stomach and get sweaty, only time I can is when tipsy
[–]caesarfecit 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Remember that the hottest girl can be a total waste of time in bed if the vibe ain't right.
If a girl's looks are getting you shook, the problem is with you, not with her.
Either you've got something to prove or you think she's out of your league. Maybe she does have more options than you, there's only one you.
Treat yourself like you matter to yourself. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hot girls are impressed by the guys that don't feel the need to impress her.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take a breath and realize that she’s a human just like everyone else. Treat her no different than the cashier at the grocery store or your grandma.
[–]gmahogany 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Talk to more attractive women until you realize looks aren’t that impressive. Being around a woman you’re really attracted to will change your state a bit. Today I met these two beautiful girls at a cafe and we shared a table while I was working. My hands were actually shaking a bit when I was trying to type - but I wouldn’t say I was nervous. After a few minutes of talking it settled down but attraction is a physiological state. You need that buzz to have sexual tension.
[–]bign0ssy 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're just people bro
[–]ricoconyo 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah shes a 10 but does she meet my standards? Does she fit my lifestyle? Does she impress me?
[–]boneygoat 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's just a normal person like everyone else. Your getting ahead of yourself. She'll be able to smell that desperation a mile away. Smaller goals, less to fuck up.
[–]RedEyeBlackEye1 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly?
Remember she goes home drunk to a room, most likely shxt messy AF thrown everywhere (like 99% of them), eats her leftovers from whothefuckknows, dropping crumbs about while looking through her magical handheld validation device...then squats down to take a nasty stinky foul smelling load before hitting Chad or Tyrone up for a late night fxxkfest.
Tldr; her shxt still stinks...like EVERYBODY ELSE. Unicorns do not exist, OP.
[–]Soberskate9696 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She takes nasty shits. Dont forget
[–]rhajin1999 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Easily - don't put the pussy on a pedestal
[–]outsidecan8 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do'nt overthink it.
Girls don't care about your cheesy ass 'dhv's and stuff haha. Just talk to her. Show some intent. If she thinks you're cute it should take care of itself and if you're not her type, you never stood a chance either wayt. DHV's or no DHV's
[–]Particular_Visual531 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She puts her pants on like everyone else. She has the same insecurities everyone does. Also learn to stop worrying about people's social status, whether it's men or women. Unless you're in a third world country with a dictator and he's got lots of bad guys with guns haha. The president of the United States and you are equal, both humans, both share like 99.999% DNA. All the anxiety comes from evolutionary biology which doesn't matter any more.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s just another human who shits in the morning.
When you set your self value high enough, it doesn’t matter who you talk to.
[–]McWhiters9511 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
By ignoring your own judgement of them. Makes everyone the same.
[–]ThermalDynamicality 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Simple, you don't lmao
There are no 10s and I'm an 11
Imagine them taking a big sweaty Chipotle shit
[–]MisterShogunate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just get used to approaching and talking to women you find attractive. Your comfort level will generalize.
[–]AelfredRex 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends on the personality, really, just like any other woman.
Models tend to be too thin and too flat for my tastes.
[–]HughBeaumont500 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Forget the number
Focus on the person
Makes it easier to put into proper prospective
[–]Willy_B_ 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Realize they’re human just like u
[–]SomethingS0m3thing 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rub one out in the bathroom
/100?
[–]Noigah 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
awhen you have had some 10’s
[–]Galvatron261 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She shits and sleeps like the rest of us bro
[–]williamroberthoss 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m not sure yet but I think practice. Only practice.
[–]ragrok 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop rating people with numbers.
[–]GroundbreakingBus138 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol..its rare i see anyone better than a 4.
Because there’s no such thing as a 10. They’re a person. They shit, they burp, they make mistakes just like anyone else. Yes they’re fit, but chill.
[–]MiscProfileUno 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand and agree with all these other approaches. But I am more of a practical person. Here is what worked for me. It’s a long process but it definitely works. Say you are an average looking guy and you can bang lots of 6’s. Do that and start approaching 7’s and bang them. This will make you less nervous around 8’s and then move up to those. Slowly but surely keep moving up!
[–]spicy_simba 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Once you get to be the owner of your worth, and at peace with yourself. You will stop giving other people the ownership to decide who you are and your value.
Once you know who you are and your value, then you will be okey whatever happens and whoever you meet.
Also with time and meeting a lot of people, you will treat everyone equally as your equal. All this will make your overthinking drop down, less overthinking means more focus on you having fun. At the end of the day, it's all about having fun, life is too short for doing anything else like worrying or assessing others or letting them assess you.
[–]MakingitHappen1986 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From my experience, talking to other women, then, when you do come across them, it really won't be a big deal. This is super attractive
[–]No-Department6252 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well if you are not a 10 or even close you have no business approaching one. Approach girls in your league and seek to improve yourself so you can get a 10 in the future
[–]RussianEntrepreneur 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think I've ever seen a girl that's a perfect 10 in my books.
[–]2nd-account-o-prince 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have dpdr
[–]johnnybongoes2211 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Derek moreplatesmoredates has some great videos on this
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
10 year old ?
[–]Prodigy5 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First thing is don’t refer to them as a 10
[–]SpiritDragon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I try not to hold people's generic disadvantages against them.
Think about it, they are hot and perfect 10 etc..... You have any idea how much of a pain in the ass that must be for them having every random dude that sees them instantly popping a boner and thinking of them as a trophy fuck idolizing them instead of actually treating them like a normal human being? 5s and 6s don't have to deal with that shit, only 9s and 10s do.
They have the same bullshit life and problems as anyone else. Sure they can use their looks as a tool, but it's also going to make even more work for them in relationships trying to sort out the guys they can be serious with vs the wanna-be Chad who is just running some game trying to pump and dump them. This gets even worse if they have any degree of fame attached to them.
In addition.... Who fucking cares if they are a 10 if they can't make me smile, laugh, and feel chill with them too? This seduction/relationship thing works both ways.
When you throw it all together, sure they are hot or whatever but they are just a normal person with normal person problems under it all. Nothing to get hung up over.
By being honest with your self and with her...
[–]EntropySystem 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just a girl. A human... like you
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