Men cannot outsmart women in seduction (and shouldn't)

leaf7895 · 2020-06-10T00:55:54+00:00

This made me laugh lmao. You have a lot to learn buddy. Don’t put women on a pedestal and what makes you think men’s can’t detect fake confidence and expression all cues etc?

thrashourumov · 2020-06-10T01:42:38+00:00

This is clearly how tinder works : show that you are a bit nervous and all, and no woman will ever unmatch you again.

peak-performance- · 2020-06-10T00:30:48+00:00

As a woman this made me laugh my arse off

robfrumtha805 · 2020-06-09T17:58:18+00:00

first things first........ don't put females on a pedestal.....

Historical_Antelope6 · 2020-06-10T02:31:20+00:00

The great white night from the city of naive is upon us...*bows*

GrandMasterB19 · 2020-06-09T18:03:39+00:00

This is really great advice. Men don't need game and pick up. They need to learn how to own themselves and express themselves.

Just be authentic and be masculine. Nature should take care of the rest.

fliwskies · 2020-06-10T04:35:09+00:00

Simp detected lol

SneeringAtTheWorld · 2020-06-09T19:19:28+00:00

> women are experts at reading behaviorial and expressional cues to select suitable sexual partners.

This is such horseshit.

> However, if you are a good man with honest intentions.

Yeah, nothing makes women wet like a 'good man'...

LaGardie · 2020-06-10T01:04:32+00:00

There is so much sexism in this post that I wonder about the honest bit.

Turnover-Sea · 2020-06-10T04:29:46+00:00

This is... stupid. Your views are very narrow minded and place both men and women into monolithic categories where each caregory thinks and feels and is turned on by the exact same things. Not sure how you haven't noticed that people, both men and women, are individuals and have the strengths and weakness of individuals?? Women don't like you because you're a fucking sexist creep. Work on that first.

ais89 · 2020-06-10T06:28:47+00:00

The biggest problem with OP's post, is that from a deep subconscious level you are putting women on a pedestal. If you have an abundance of pussy, you'll realize most women are underwhelming.

fuudogg · 2020-06-10T03:42:51+00:00

Women know men want to have sex with them so stop trying to hide it. A good man isn't afraid to get what he wants and doesn't care who knows it. Live your truth and fight for it too. The less you lie to yourself and others the higher your confidence will be. That also means nonverbal lies.

Also, side note, society doesn't raise men, women do.

meahhhhhhhhhh · 2020-06-10T05:35:27+00:00

Bruh you're hitting levels of simp I didn't think were possible.

PepeLePunk · 2020-06-10T01:49:13+00:00

Pedestal much?

Chikinuqqet · 2020-06-10T03:39:42+00:00

This advice is weird and strikes me as coming from someone who hasn’t experienced a whole lot of success with women no offense.

It’s a just very shallow/1-dimensional take.

GunPlay_ill · 2020-06-10T00:47:33+00:00

This just sounds like a post to help those less fortunate men

purplelemonaid · 2020-06-10T07:54:56+00:00

I guess I can see why you might think this way, especially if you've been raised a certain way and don't have much experience socializing with the opposite gender, but I encourage you to keep an open mind and think of girls as humans just like you. Some are very socially aware and adept while others aren't. They have flaws just like the rest of us.

I think the sooner that you accept that and view every girl as unique instead of casting these sweeping generalizations, the better you would be at engaging in meaningful connections with them. That, imo, is really the key to game.

powerroots99 · 2020-06-10T05:22:09+00:00

metisviking · 2020-06-10T02:36:50+00:00

No they should. I only get turned on when they manage to honestly. I see outsmart as being a confident self aware guy with some playful flirting though

Workamaholic · 2020-06-10T09:18:36+00:00

I think there are two schools of thought in seduction communities: Manipulation and Mindset.

In my own experience. I learned the behaviors and techniques of manipulation first. I understood what to say and not say, what to do and not do, in order to escalate a sense of dominance, mystery, and fun. And sure enough. I had more sex. (Insert Confetti Here) But after I’d been at it for a while I felt like there was a problem. A barrier, like a glass ceiling. I could seduce someone sure, but I didn’t feel like it was me doing the seduction. It was a character. Eventually that character’s mask would drop and I’d be left high and dry. Rightfully so.

I realized one day (like many people do) that all of those behaviors and tips were things that certain people would naturally do. Those people had a distinct mindset and those behaviors were the result of that. So I started working on my own mindset. I still have work to do, and will continue to, but it already feels better to be more genuinely me.

I’ll add a caveat to this post. If you’re just “being yourself” and in reality YOU don’t love yourself. Being yourself doesn’t work. You have to learn and discover what you love about you, and then let that shit out.

misterandosan · 2020-06-10T03:16:53+00:00

Because no woman has made any bad choices with men ever, or misread any cues. They are infallible creatures incapable of making mistakes.

Jesus christ.

Rb0mb · 2020-06-10T04:03:49+00:00

Dumb

december120 · 2020-06-10T02:12:19+00:00

shutup bro

learnfemalenature · 2020-06-09T18:57:17+00:00

You’re right.

Men have to stop trying to fit the mold of being someone they’re not, and stop being afraid to express themselves.

For ex. I used to be into magic tricks heavily when I was younger, age 10-14 or something, and I still have some tricks up my sleeve ;)

Whenever a girl comes around I’ll show her a trick if the times right just cause I want to.

And she can feel the real intent behind it, no ulterior motive. And it’s genuine, it’s literally just something I entertain myself by and others happen to be entertained by it also.

Some guys in my same position would try and hide their cards or whatever it is and not show her a trick cause “that’s not what girls are into.”

Bottom line is women like a man who isn’t afraid to express himself and express how he sees a better world.

Men conquer the world, women conquer men.

CaveDoctor · 2020-06-10T05:12:08+00:00

It’s like this subreddit is turning into the PUA version of Bibliotecapleyedes.

bluedrygrass · 2020-06-10T06:01:03+00:00

What a bunch of purple pill bullshit.

Most women are very dumb when it actually comes down to assess a partner's real value. Otherwise "fake it till you make it" would NEVER work.

I mean, one of the CORE tenents of seduction is that women are completely influenced by other people's opinions on you. They can feel 0 attraction for you, but suddenly their girl friend starts making comments on you, and she immediately "always found you attractive". If they were so good at choosing partners, they wouldn't need to be TOLD who is good and who isn't.

The proof is in the pudding, women often choose terrible partners, but people who are exciting and fun to be around. It's got nothing to do with long term partnership, reproduction, or whatever, it's just about the feelings. Always, it's just always about the immediate feelingz.

Whoever has been with some females will know this. So many times you're thinking "what am i doing here", and they're just completely oblivious.

Bling works perfectly, it's all about appearance, because they can't read further.

taa_dow · 2020-06-10T08:54:21+00:00

Tldr well thats a bunch of bullshit that some closet feminist believes. Google Casanova.

PurpleGoomy · 2020-06-10T11:17:05+00:00

Woman here, don’t know wtf i just read. Am actually laughing. Wtf..... you had us in the first half, not gonna lie!

Thanos25 · 2020-06-10T03:35:53+00:00

Um....I'm genuinely confused. You see the only reason I'm on this sub is to outsmart woman in seduction, not put them on a pedestal. I agree with the accepting who you are and not using crappy pick up lines but the rest is weird.

Big_Meme_Daddy · 2020-06-10T03:30:09+00:00

TLDR - Be yourself

INTelliJentsia · 2020-06-10T05:13:51+00:00

I get where you're coming from. But this is so general that it can apply to anything and addresses nothing specifically. IME, it also doesn't hold up to real life. You're right in that women can choose who they want and swipe all day (and that men often have to resort to gimmics) but wrong in assuming they value good intentions. Not everyone has your worldview. What if the woman doesn't care for your good intentions and sees you as weak either way? You'll only succeed if she wants to reciprocate and no amount of honesty will change that. If that was the case, we'd all be in a fairy tale romance and I'd have the girl of my dreams. But that's not real life.

mr_Tobbor · 2020-06-10T07:10:58+00:00

There are some people who are (or can be with effort) Alphas (having more alpha traits, anyway). These lucky men get laid regularly. All the other men can laid offering in return their commitement. And most of them get married (it is a fact, not personal view). And then may be divorced etc. That is a sad, bitter, ugly truth. I repeat: If you want casual sex (one night, fucking bodies, friends with benefits) you have to be (or become with effort) an Alpha OR accept laying 3 or 4's. The majority of men bargain sex for commitement and only can have sex if they surrender.

Pink_Hanna · 2020-06-10T07:16:48+00:00

Grow some hair, please!

Babababababab57 · 2020-06-10T07:19:45+00:00

lmao

Choice_Instance · 2020-06-10T07:22:17+00:00

Okay,he may have a point to an extent ....then what happens to those who are challenged differently... Tourettes,"slow" persons..

silverbird666 · 2020-06-10T07:27:45+00:00

If there was something like a seduction-league or competition, I guarantee you 100 percent that "a good man with honest intentions" would never ever come close to winning it. You know who would win? Someone who actually has the required experience and skill.

Everyone who claims that seduction does not come down to experience, practise and skill is giving false advice.

Deepfriedibles · 2020-06-10T08:07:17+00:00

I thought a woman posted this. SMH.

clawjelly · 2020-06-10T09:00:23+00:00

You have absolutely NOTHING to fear.

Yea, can't help it, still feel like a piece of garbage everytime a woman is not interested.

Amin-911 · 2020-06-10T10:51:39+00:00

One promise : 90 percent of what he said is bullshit. The only good advice is the intention. If you see a woman as a sex object it won’t work.

Starbrookalot · 2020-06-10T11:08:45+00:00

This comes across as creepy as hell.

PIMPNITE80 · 2020-06-10T11:28:01+00:00

>This is the top-rated post on seddit

No wonder why this place is the laughing stock of seduction

lildudefromXdastreet · 2020-06-10T11:36:05+00:00

This sounds like it was written by a woman who has read way too many sex novels

marowitt · 2020-06-10T12:10:49+00:00

This stopped being logical from the first line.

ImJustSo · 2020-06-10T12:28:17+00:00

Women can't read minds and very often can't tell someone's attracted to them or see the fake confidence when someone's actually nervous. Actually, we all tend to overestimate other people's ability to read us, but also how much we're even being thought about at all. Read up on The Spotlight Effect and also The Illusion of Transparency.

Your post is extremely influenced by cognitive bias and your own subjective reality, so the advice you're trying to give is extremely personally skewed.

If I were talking about similar experiences, I'd be discussing how women don't know a fuckin thing I'm thinking. Even in instances where I'm publicly speaking, men and women both say that I'm cool as a cucumber and killing it. On the inside I'm a fuckin trainwreck and basically black out, go on autopilot, and don't remember a fucking thing I said.

Same shit can happen if I get nervous with a woman. I don't often get nervous with women, but it can happen. Thing is, I know my feelings don't matter, as long as I go forward with my proper actions, then I'll be okay.

I agree with the empathy bit though, and a few other things in your post, the rest is nonsense. You seem to believe there's far too many differences in sexes than there really are and of those differences, you seem to think those differences are greater than they really are.

Keep in mind that of those differences, some women and some men overlap on all of them (e.g. Using your own examples: A man can better perceive social cues, while a woman can better perceive attractive traits).

Skuggasveinn · 2020-06-10T12:53:40+00:00

OP getting a lot of unwanted hate imo. The title is misleading. Anyways, the best point is that just like men can intuitively find tits and asses in a big crowd, women can intuitively read up on social cues and smell the alpha in the room.

Fake confidence though? Not always imo.

sneakyhog · 2020-06-10T14:05:23+00:00

Wtf is wrong with you?

Responding-to-dumb · 2020-06-10T16:35:27+00:00

What a sad sexist way to view the world

keithcarterarkansas · 2020-06-10T17:48:47+00:00

I think I'm gonna take your advice and stop chasing women. I'm gonna put my efforts into becoming a megalomaniac sociopath instead.

51f8mous · 2020-06-10T21:12:02+00:00

This sub really has devolved. I blame the mods.

Dominus-Prime- · 2020-06-09T23:27:08+00:00

Why are you ever nervous about taking to a woman??

Forgottenshadowed · 2020-06-10T00:14:25+00:00

I've met alot of really sweet, innocent females who are actually interested in other people. Even at first sight.

88Question88 · 2020-06-10T03:09:36+00:00

n an attempt to turn boys into well-behaving, productive and civilized men, society often socializes boys to be less aggressive, less self-expressive, and less attractive to girls. These boys grew up into men who are so insecure that they had no choice but to learn tricks, gimmicks and pick-up lines to impress women.

I'm offendend at how this can be used in the flap of a biography about me.

mnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmm · 2020-06-10T10:02:16+00:00

Some sanity. You ain’t said a word wrong

episode1022 · 2020-06-10T03:37:10+00:00

This is the finest thing I read today. Thank you

Title	Men cannot outsmart women in seduction (and shouldn't)
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Date	June 9, 2020 5:22 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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