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Ellen Pao loses gender discrimination suit against Kleiner Perkins

tonyespresso

March 27, 2015
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Title Ellen Pao loses gender discrimination suit against Kleiner Perkins
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Date March 27, 2015 9:17 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]Vordreller 116 points117 points118 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Is it just me or does that text feel like they're trying to make her look like the victim of a spiteful jury?

Especially that interview with the juror feels like the juror is saying: "this was totally discrimination, but not in the legal sense".

[–]Darkling5499 67 points68 points69 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it just me or does that text feel like they're trying to make her look like the victim of a spiteful jury?

not sure why you're even a little surprised.

[–]greenwave113 59 points60 points61 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The NY Times article makes it sound this way even more saying how she might have lost the case but is raising awarwness for the "unfairness" in Silicon Valley ... seriously? I thought the fact the case was lost would be proof of unjustified roots to those claims.

[–]prybarn 32 points33 points34 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

YOU THOUGHT WRONG MOTHERFUCKER

This is what always happens. Making fake videos and making fake accusations are a GOOD thing, because they draw attention to the real (real fake) issues!

/Shit

[–]PBR-n-Reefer 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They call it the wrap around doublethink

[–]speedisavirus 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no unfairness for women in Silicon Valley. If anything they are given more free passes than any other class of people.

[–]unsafeword 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Partial agreement here. Most of the same privileges and passes are extended to ethnic minorities. But yes, there's no question that Silicon Valley (and STEM fields in general) offer extra consideration to anyone who shows up without a penis.

[–]Armiel 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the world of SJWs, you're not allowed to doubt the Holy Narrative. Women are always right and men are always wrong. If Pao had won, it would be proof that she was a victim of discrimination but if she lost it would be proof that society hates women and the jury voted against her because of it. You see the same thing with rape allegations. If a man is found guilty, he's a dirty rapist. If he's found not guilty, he's still a rapist but got away with it.

[–]Swiggy 35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Fake rape claims, fake viral videos, unfounded discrimination suits, these all, for some reason, result in getting policy changes. Doesn't matter if it is warranted or not.

[–]dangerousopinions 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately the courts aren't quite as vulnerable to politics.

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[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The point is that you don't see the instantaneous insanity you find in politics, occur in the courts. The courts can weather many panics. it doesn't mean they always do, just that it takes a sustained campaign of crazy to alter the courts.

[–]MeltedSnowCone 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet divorce courts remain heavily stacked against men...

[–]t0talnonsense 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're missing the point. The judicial system works under stare decisis or precedent. If that's how divorce was settled 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, then that's likely how it's still settled today (to a reasonable degree). Judicial activism isn't nearly as prevalent as people try and make it out to be. It's the legislature's job to fix the problem, not the court's.

[–]speedisavirus 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably is. The Bloomberg article on it flat out calls her a victim. Sorry I don't have the link. Came in on my phone. It was basically "Pao loses but its because of brogrammer culture". Fuck that shit. She didn't have a case at all from the very beginning. This brogrammer shit is moronic as well since it really isn't a thing and certainly not the way they used it.

[–]tykusstarcraft 272 points273 points274 points 11 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link

“Men in VC firms are breathing a sigh of relief and women in tech are feeling defeated,”

WTF FUCK YOU

[–][deleted] 199 points200 points201 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

That's insulting to the women in tech. Some of them worked hard to get where they are. Pao just sucked dick.

[–]1337Gandalf 107 points108 points109 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Literally

[–]captain_craptain -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there any actual truth to this? Is this how she became reddits CEO?

[–]Faryshta 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

how she became reddit ceo is pretty much how zach bradigan became captain of planet express in futurama

[–]AFuddyDuddy 33 points34 points35 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I work for MS, on a lvl 300 tech team. My team has a number of women who rock the socks, and believe me. They dont feel defeated.

If anything, they would be embarrassed by this. But I doubt they are.

[–]speedisavirus 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My boss definitely is. She fucking hates this "mo womyn in tech!" and all that shit. Her words are something like "I don't care what you are as long as you are good at your job".

[–]dominotw 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People are thanking her for "exposing venture capital industry".

[–]dangerousopinions 27 points28 points29 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She didn't do that. She was sleeping with a coworker not a boss and he was married. Who had the power there?

She apparently worked her way up by elbowing her way into profitable deals that were already in the works.

Either way, that's a silly headline and a court loss doesn't mean a loss for justice or reason.

[–]wisty 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She didn't do that. She was sleeping with a coworker not a boss and he was married. Who had the power there?

Presumably, the one who wasn't married?

[–]CoffeeQuaffer 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't do that. She was sleeping with a coworker not a boss and he was married. Who had the power there?

Presumably, the one who wasn't married?

They were both married.

[–]WitBeer 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And apparently she wasn't even very good at that.

[–]captain_craptain -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where are you guys hearing about this?

[–]WitBeer -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of the discrimination lawsuit involved an affair with a senior coworker who promised to leave his wife for her, which didn't obviously happen.

[–]SilencingNarrative 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats an interesting admission that the details of the case are not as important as the fact that a woman is suing a man.

[–]Parrtech 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, I read the thing expecting case details. I got about 4 vague sentence at the end. unless reporting.

[–]Claude_Reborn 156 points157 points158 points 11 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

Given that "women in tech" these days is code for "feminists pretending to know about tech to make money", they are technically correct

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[–]dominotw 25 points26 points27 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Professional activist is a now career

There is also a whole new careers like 'diversity consultants' who now coach on men on 'ally skills'. I am not making this shit up

[–]masgrada 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Left wing Feminist activists.

Fixed that for you.

[–]gprime 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

While true, I defy you to introduce me to a right wing feminist activist.

[–]masgrada 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just like how the right isn't all war mongering neoconservatives and religious radicals. It goes both ways and better not to group inappropriately.

[–]gprime 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think your comparison holds, though because:

1) At least in terms of the war mongering bit, Democrats have as bad or worse of a track record relative to Republicans. War mongering is something that appears on both sides of the ideological spectrum. The difference tends to be in terms of which wars they want and what the justification they provide is.

2) The Moral Majority first organized to support...far left Democrat Jimmy Carter. Similarly, there's be ample precident with people like Father Charles Coughlin vocally advocating far left positions.

So, I am not saying that all liberals are feminism, just that feminism is a uniquely left wing problem. War mongering and religious zealotry, despite your efforts to imply otherwise, are not an exclusively right wing problem, but one that manifests across the political spectrum.

[–]masgrada 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree to disagree.

[–]SilencingNarrative 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the uncritical acceptance in the mainstream media of the stories of women like Adria and Ellen is a barrier to talented women being taken seriously in tech. Men will keep their distance as long they feel like a woman could bring baseless claims and be widely and reflexively supported.

[–]newb_programmer 71 points72 points73 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It insults and undermines the women who just happen to actually know a shit ton on tech.

[+][deleted] -44 points-43 points-42 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And there are a lot of men that don't know anything about tech pretending to know about tech out there too.

[–]Doomblaze 59 points60 points61 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but they're not the ones filing gender discrimination lawsuits for millions now are they?

[–]tiftik 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those men are never hired to fill quotas. In fact, no one hires those men on purpose.

[–]Luckyluke23 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

this shits me off... if women wanted to be the tech industry THE WOULD BE! they would work there and make it there...

why do you have to give it to them on a silver platter just because there aren't enough women CHOOSING TECH.

you think they are going to give a male teacher or a nurse the same privilege? just because guys don't want to put up with sick people or bratty kids?

nope

[–]omnipedia 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm an "old man" in tech- over 25 years as a professional programmer-- and MY MOTHER was a programmer during her career.

Back then women programmers were not uncommon. Now they are far less common. In hiring I give women an advantage (just because diversity of perspectives adds to your team and if it's all men you're missing it) but so few resumes from females come across my desk many teams have no women. (I would never hire a woman over a man if things were equal, but they never are. I hire the best regardless of gender, and if there are two strong candidates for one position my move is to create a second position and hire both. I probably give women a bit of preferential treatment in that I'm more likely to interview them on a weak resume, but I can't be sure because I'm of the "interview everybody" approach- and that first phone interview reveals a lot! Including that there are apparently poor women out there who can barely operate word applying for high end programming jobs, I think expecting to get hired because if quotas or something- but when I call them (in confusion) it becomes clear that they don't even know any programming languages - "do you know javascript?" A: "what's a javascript?" Even non programmers can answer that--- but they often say things that make me think they think they are entitled to the job. I think this is some sort of scam)

When I do find female programmers they aren't American- in India and Eastern Europe they are more common.

[–]Luckyluke23 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats cool man. I'm all for women working in the work place like that. be a programer IF YOU WANT TO.

but don't give it to them just because you have to fill some diversity quoter! thats fucking bullshit

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My late Grandmother told me stories about the myriad jobs she had in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Telephone switchboard operator, she transcribed the punchcards for computers and operated the things. She singlehandedly ran a boys detention/foster house while raising two boys of her own after her husband ran off/was installed as a concrete pillar due to gambling. If she were alive today, she'd be at no loss for words about what hardship is and what will and determination accomplish. Miss ya, Grandma!

[–]captain_craptain 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your grandpa got killed and put in concrete?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the family lore. One day he was there....

[–]constructivecritism 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

just because diversity of perspectives adds to your team

No, it doesn't.

[–]Andrewticus04 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"No, they look different. They're diverse."

[–]omnipedia -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You don't even know what the team does. And you're wrong.

[–]constructivecritism -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What exactly does diversity add?

[–]omnipedia -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In this job, which we can ONLY do because our brains have literally developed "abnormally", diversity of perspectives is a critical part of collaboration where solutions are created by bouncing ideas back and forth.

Nerds need nerds to disagree with them.

[–]constructivecritism -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not allowed to disagree with women or minorities. It oppresses them. /s-1

Honestly though that's pretty sad if you hire women and the only place they contribute is in meetings. It's just like in group projects at school, where the nerds do all the work and the women sit around bitching about their nails. It's even sadder that you can't be honest with yourself about it.

[–]Armageist -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would never hire a woman over a man if things were equal, but they never are

Wait, what?

[–]omnipedia 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the word "never" is supposed to be in there, I think that was a very unfortunate autocorrect, that I recall deleting, so the update must not have gotten there applied.

I would hire a woman over a man, qualifications being equal, most of the time, because in my industry there are not many women and I think a good team has more variety. By the same token if the team were all one ethnicity I would be more likely to hire someone from a different ethnicity over a candidate from the same ethnicity as the current team.

[–]Vordreller 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of the debate of which book depicted the future more accurately: 1984 or Brave New World.

For a long time, it used to be mostly Brave New World with some 1984 throw in. But over the last few years it seems to be becoming more 1984 and less Brave New World.

[–]Swiggy 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For some reason this case became a focus on all the supposed gender issues in the tech industry. It wasn't. It was a specific case that was judged on its merits.

[–]Electroverted 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, it's not far from the truth:

Men are sick of this shit, and...

Women see that any progress they made in gaining a foot-hold in the more technical, male-dominated fields have just went backwards thanks to this idiot.

[–]jewdai 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its not that there arent enough women employed in tech its that there are simply not enough women IN tech. Take a look at graduating classes. At my university only 1 in 17 people were women in the engineering departments. This number dramatically goes up when we talk about bio-engineering or industrial and systems engineering both fields do not translate well to the tech world which is highly software oriented.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 64 points65 points66 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But...but... who's going to pay off her husband's debts now?!?!

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points46 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

His boyfriend???

[–]dominotw 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Her boyfriend???

[–]1337Gandalf 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"debts" is that what we're calling Ponzi schemes nowadays?

[–]goatsandbros 152 points153 points154 points 11 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I guess it goes to show you that sleeping with your boss and being terrible at your job sometimes doesn't lead to a happy ending.

[–]MrWinks 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Is that what happened?

[–]CSMastermind 113 points114 points115 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So I actually followed the case pretty closely, her "discrimination" lawsuit was stunningly thin.

It seems like the poster above you is confusing a few things? Maybe not I don't know. Ellen is the current CEO of reddit, a position which she got (as she was forced to testify in court) after sleeping with the previous CEO Yishan Wong. The lawsuit wasn't about her time at reddit however but rather her time at the venture firm Kleiner Perkins.

She claims she was discriminated against based on her gender during her time there and as a result wasn't promoted. The company says she wasn't promoted because she was bad at her job. Other women at the firm were promoted including one who was promoted all the way up to a member of the board (which is incredibly rare for anyone, man or woman). Ellen was payed more than her male coworkers in spite of receiving significantly worse performance reviews.

Additionally she says she was excluded from events because of her gender. However the only two events she could specifically name were a 6 person private party at Al Gore's house in which pretty much no one was invited and a ski trip in which other women were invited (just not her). Several of her former coworkers (both male and female) testified that she wasn't invited to after work social events because she was abrasive and rude not because of her gender.

Her final claim was that she was sexually harassed by a coworker but this is complicated. The man she says sexually harassed her did send her very inappropriate messages. However she testified that she slept with him for 6 weeks after those initial harassing messages were sent. (this is what the poster below was referring to) It was only when he said that we was unwilling to leave his wife for her that she complained to management at Kleiner Perkins. They hired an investigator to look into the allegations but she refused to cooperate or make any statements. The fired the guy for harassing her anyway.

On the other hand Kleiner Perkins produced in court emails she had sent 3 weeks into her job telling a friend outside the company that she thought women should be suing silicon valley companies for discrimination. It included the line, "they'll give you a million just to go away". Her friend advised her that if she herself ever wanted to sue that she should "delete anything that doesn't support your case".

There's also the fact that she's currently being indited for helping her husband steal millions in a ponzi scheme. The same husband made his original millions suing a finance company for racial discrimination. But none of that information was allowed in court.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i had a job where a small clique of people would hang out together after work, i was never invited. it didn't bother me because i'm an adult and i know coworkers are under no obligation to be your buddy. i had no idea i was being discriminated against because i'm a man! who knew???

[–]GroaningGrogan 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

after sleeping with the previous CEO Yishan Wong.

Ok, is this really true? She was banging Yishan the Mangina????

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. If he was a Mangina then it would only take like 1 bang to get his full approval for everything. Including taking his very own job.

[–]MrWinks 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Can you cite much of this? Atleast the reddit part, rest I can google.

[–]CSMastermind 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Here's the Kleiner Perkins brief from the start of the case:

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/256174979-Kleiner-Perkins-brief.pdf

I believe everything I mentioned is in there but I'll have to read through it again to find specific pages.

[–]UST3DES 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just read through this and I didn't see any mention of Yishan or reddit. Can you provide any other source for your claim that they had sex? That's a pretty serious allegation.

[–]stratd 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not there, the only thing it says about reddit is how much money Chairman Pao makes there.

[–]goatsandbros 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the correction / expansion. I really want to give you gold, but importantly this would give Chairman Pao money and nobody wants that. So I give you one virtual gold ( * )

[–]polysyllabist 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She dated a coworker with no authority over her if I recall correctly, but the terrible at her job part is accurate by all accounts (save hers).

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, she slept with a coworker & when he wouldn't leave his wife for her she claimed sexual harassment & got him fired, and slept with the CEO of Reddit to get her current job by her own testimony this is what happened.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Was the affair before or after she got married and had a kid?

[–]RelentlesslyDead 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She was married during the affair but had the kid after the affair.

[–]iamacheapskate 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

And her husband is a Ponzi fraudster who openly had love affaires with men before marrying her. Guess he changed his sexual orientation after he met her

[–]Correctrix 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me introduce a new word into your vocabulary: bisexual.

[–]talones 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only the boss gets the happy ending.... Heyyyooooo.

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[–]Swiggy 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This was going on before she came over. And it is far from a reddit problem, most mainstream media sites are the same way

"Ellen Pao's suit was wake-up call for Silicon Valley"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/03/27/ellen-pao-kleiner-perkins-verdict-silicon-valley/70557912/

It wasn't that what happened to her wasn't because of discrimination, she was just unsuccessful at proving it. Which means we should all act if it was discrimination and it is happening all over.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

remember...proving it didn't happen helps raises awareness that it happens elsewhere, except when it didn't, thus raising awareness. again.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judge (nervously)....this isn't how the script goes!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

/u/tonyespresso : Please keep in mind that half the reason these stories are written in such a controversial fashion is to draw "hateclicks" from people who disagree. You can discourage this behaviour by using archive links:

https://archive.today/XPXMm

You still get the story, just minus giving them ad views.

[–]tonyespresso[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure I can agree with that line of reasoning. Linking to an archived version of the web page seems incredibly shoddy--not really in accordance with the tech that the web is built on. If I were you I would seriously reconsider your position.

I am curious what others think about this whole archived web page thing? I'm not sure that this whole argument of "giving" clicks to these kinds of articles is really a sound one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is it shoddy or not in accordance with anything?

If someone is deliberately spreading misandry to sell ad impressions then why reward them? I don't see how we owe them anything. I'm honestly not sure why you'd think directly linking to these articles is a sound thing to do.

[–]CSMastermind 46 points47 points48 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Juror Marshalette Ramsey, 41, a Bay Area Rapid Transit manager, took Pao's side.

"When promotions were made, this woman was not promoted," she said after the verdict, "maybe it wasn't because of her gender but that doesn't mean she was wrong to sue."

"We didn't look at it in light of the greater good of the industry," Ramsey added.

That is fucking terrifying.

There was no evidence at all to support Pao's claims in this case. The fact that she still got two jurors to side with her coupled with the incredibly biased media coverage of this trial makes me depressed.

[–]Armiel 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is fucking terrifying.

Isn't it? I can't believe someone who made it through jury selection thought the facts of the specific case didn't matter. Just some vague appeal to the "greater good". Or in other words, "How dare the other jurors doubt the Holy Narrative!"

[–]CSMastermind 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And her job title is manager. This woman is in charge of people at work.

[–]ownworldman -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why I dislike the idea of a jury in the first place.

[–]commonparadox 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is exactly WHY you want a jury. Imagine if one of those two people were the judge? No balance there, just "bam!" guilty. Having a Jury helps ensure these nutjobs are in the minority.

[–]ownworldman 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe this is the result of amateur influence at court.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The pitfalls of trying to fuck your way to the top.

[–]Frobenioid 55 points56 points57 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't have happened to a cuntier person.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The tone of this article is clearly, "She was robbed. 9 out of 10 jurors robbed her."

The quotes are from the sole juror in favor, and I'm assuming the ONE holdout on the one count.

LALALALAICAN'THEARYOU Times

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She lost on all 4 counts. This says, if you're going to claim that people are discriminating against you, let alone an industry or a whole society, you better get your evidence in order.

But there isn't any. Look, some people DO discriminate. We get that.. and nobody is going to blame you for going after them. I think these women are giving the whole feminist movement a bad name by going after 'society' with no evidence.. just speculation and anecdotal BS.

[–]mauibuakawi 25 points26 points27 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Suck it Ellen Pao! So glad she lost. Although it seems she may have 'won' on the 4th claim - that her termination was retaliatory. By my count, only 8 of the 12 jurors voted no. Not sure what effect that has....

[–]Annoying_Arsehole 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That isn't enough for preponderance standard.

[–]mauibuakawi 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

....so 4 out of 12 isn't enough to support Ellen Pao's claim. 0 for 4. Good. Justice served.

[–]CSMastermind 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only two people said her termination was retaliatory. The people who thought she wasn't discriminated against weren't allowed to vote.

[–]acyc 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well this makes me pretty happy. A step closer to women not being able to just pull the "IT's CUS I'm A WOMYN, CHeck Ur PrivelEGE" card

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A couple other notes — well, let’s call it speculation, more accurately. These are not substantiated by me seeing them for myself, but I’ve heard them each from two people who were in the room when the “verdict” was read. One is that juror two, the woman who voted yes on all claims, was wiping away tears while the other jurors gave their verdicts. And the other is that multiple jurors turned their head to look at juror three when he said no on the fourth claim. The implication there is that he changed his vote.

Had you had more I-Love-Jody-Arias type of women on that panel ... you could be seeing PPD like this just up and evaporating.

[–]SheDoesntDoucheIt 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's she doing now? Oh wait...

[–]babno 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not terribly relevant. But

attorney Therese Lawless

REALLY!?!

[–]dominotw 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are the Lawless sisters http://www.lawless-lawless.com/Attorney-Profiles/ . Apparently half the family are lawyers. They are fighting several of these harassment cases against high profile companies like facebook and twitter.

[–]hoseja 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And she looks like a bitter cunt too.

[–]tonyespresso[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nice!

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Since no one made a pun yet...

She got it... PAO!! Right in the kisser!

[–]Tymalic 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Bet she's feeling pretty....paowerless.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ellen! Pao! I'm bad at puns.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Mitschu 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Paownd.

[–]stratd 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chairman Pao, because we started seeing [deleted] threads when she came into power

[–]spacedogg 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha

[–]Mo_Dex 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hopefully she doesn't make this post disappear

[–]Musaab 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Allahu Akbar!

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

As resident muslim guy : I'll allow it.

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Edit: what .. i can't even ... all these years and alternates ... and this is how i finally get my gold!

Thank you kind redditor...

[–]Techynot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are u even Muslim you shitlord?

[–]Swiggy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Since almost all the media outlets are crediting this case with "bringing about discussion about gender issues" I wonder if any of them will raise this question, "Are many of the claims of discrimination women feel in the workplace unfounded and due more to performance?"

[–]andrewdok 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"This article is related to: Minority Groups"

How...? Aren't there more women than men in the US, making women the majority?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fucking feminazis.

[–]srtor 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First and foremost takeaway from this is 'NEVER EVER LIE'. Being a woman, does not give you any more privilege to lie and have your way.

Yes there is a dearth of women executives in Tech sector, but that does not mean we need to fill that up with double faced women like Ellen Pao. (Reddit - I am looking at you).

[+]myevillaugh -9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Is this really what this sub has become? Making snide remarks at someone you don't know?

There are a lot of harsh words accusations here, but they're unsubstantiated. Don't turn this sub into a mean-spirited circle jerk.

[–]GroaningGrogan -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dig into the facts instead of being a twit. Read the Vanity Fair and Fortune exposes.

[–]myevillaugh -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I did. From what I've read, I doubt she proved her case, but that doesn't mean she had an affair while she was married, or that she slept with the former CEO of Reddit.

And yes, please do continue with the name calling. You only prove my point.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or alternatively, you could just...not give a shit about insults? That's probably the best option, actually.

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