r/Thebluepill wants to build a redpill alternative rather than just mocking them all the time. They prove, right out of the gate, why their efforts are futile and will never work. In fact, their advice is harmful to lonely men who have been given bad advice all their life.

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/33hanj/can_we_make_and_alternative_to_trp/

For one thing, /r/punchingmorpheus exists and it's basically dead. They WERE supposed to be the alternative to that 'toxic trp subreddit'. Men tend to be practical. If bluepill approved techniques worked, there would be a stampede to adopt it. Hell, if being a math nerd got me guaranteed pussy, i'd be picking up my old calculus/linear algebra/discrete mathematics textbooks over the weekend.

I think it's hilarious that TRP is all about nailing teh womenz but it has no women.

Wouldn't you rather hear what to do and what not to do straight from the horse's mouth? I'm more that happy to give dudes advice and I think my advice as a woman who's been in both LTRs and in the dating scene is more useful than a disturbed man's who spends most of his time in his mama's basement reading seduction manuals.

It's not just TRP that says listening to women is worthless for dating advice, but the overwhelming majority of men that aren't totally clueless know that outside of a VERY few women who don't lie to themselves and are VERY self aware, women tend to give shit advice. "Just be yourself!" "You're such a nice guy, any woman would be lucky to have a guy like you!" (at the same time, said women is fucking the direct opposite of mr nice guy). Why would i want advice from someone who just sits back and chooses one of the thousands of penises that are thrown her way about what works? I'd rather talk to an alpha. Hell, i'd rather talk to an alpha that's not necessarily one who gets laid based on looks. An experienced fisherman gives better advice on how to catch fish than a fish.

I'm not saying it's hopeless... but people are always looking for a quick fix when 99% of the time there just isn't one... and there certainly isn't one set of generic advice that's just going to work... even for most people.

TRP isn't a 'quick fix'. You can't become jacked over a weekend. Most people are hardgainers and it takes a few years to get truly jacked. You can see some nice results after say 6 months of dedicated training, but you won't be anywhere NEAR your peak for a few years. Also, fixing wrong beliefs that make men failures with women is VERY hard to change. Admittedly though, this part of the process accelerates when BPers/Feminists blame men for being 'entitled' when their niceness doesn't produce results. You need to break yourself down/hit rock bottom before you can build yourself up. Feminists actually help with accelerating this process, but it's still a long, painful, hard one.

Advice needs to be individualized... it needs to come from having a multifaceted understanding of someone's personality and exact situation. That's rarely is possible online. /r/relationship_advice[1] and the like are about as close as it gets to useful help online from strangers. Usually multiple face-to-face therapy sessions with a qualified professional is what it's going to take to help people who've gotten so stuck they're looking for things like TRP.

Individualized? Attraction is non-negotiable. Sure you can find some outliers where women are attracted to non-convential men who aren't alphas, but why would any man with an ounce of sense focus on that? That's an extremely low percentage play. I have a buddy who lives in the hipster section of Brooklyn. He's anything BUT a hipster (he's a bodybuilder/doesn't listen to hipster music/doesn't wear their shitty clothes) and he cleans the fuck up with hipster girls. He has an easier time with hipster girls than regular girls even, because the hipster men are wimpy as shit. Also, therapists can't help you if you're lonely/horny as shit, you have to help yourself.

Other alternatives are Dr. Nerdlove and /r/letsgetlaid[2] ... but I think people have to have reached a certain point of accepting personal responsibility and already have a basic set of social skills to benefit from those.

Ah yes, Dr. Nerdlove, the same guy who advocated becoming feminists/allies to get laid. The same guy whose site has a 4 to 1 female to male ratio of users:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.doctornerdlove.com

https://archive.is/20150212214850/http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/08/secret-to-get-more-sex/

THE SECRETS TO GETTING MORE SEX BY DR NERDLOVE, ALSO ONE WEIRD TRICK...:

Yes, I’m advocating being a feminist ally because it’ll help you get laid. Remember what I said about enlightened self-interest? It applies just as much here.

Yes, become a feminists, even though:

a) the overwhelming majority of women aren't feminist

b) The superalpha frat bro/football players that are fucking the most women, don't respect them, use women like disposable cum dumpsters, and they could hardly be called 'feminist'

c) MOST women typically aren't attracted to 'sensitive male feminists'

"Become a feminist to get laid!" is the slimiest snakeoil sales slogan i've ever heard and you have to be a complete moron to actually believe that.

It's quite funny that BP is a sub that's dedicated to making fun of RP when their own ideals are infinitely more horrible/less effective than what RP has to offer. BP has the self awareness of a 10 year old.

Edit: Basically BP can only mock because they can't offer an alternative that works. What else can they do? They're trapped.