Players existing proves BP wrong

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-03-08T14:40:45+00:00

men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking, but at least being very interested in them

Very attractive and charismatic people exist but that doesn't mean that sentence is true. "Almost any girl", are you kidding me?

Y'all need to go out more and see how actual people behave.

Lyanina · 2017-03-08T14:57:55+00:00

One: BP does not claim everyone is a "special snowflake," but an individual.

Two: What BP claim are you attacking here? BP is just "I think RP is bullshit." How does your claim mean that belief is "wrong"?

Three:

The mere fact that there exist men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking, but at least being very interested in them

These guys don't exist, unless your definition of "almost any girl" is not actually "almost any girl." Some people are attractive to many people (and this is true for both genders), but no one can generate immediate sexual interest in "almost any girl."

most girls like similar things in men

Most like non-fat guys who are taller than them, have some interests and their own life, and can hold a conversation, yeah. BP doesn't go around saying that isn't true.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-08T15:01:35+00:00

there are many different circumstantial types of attractiveness. some of the biggest players you'll ever meet are addicts and dealers... they sleep with dozens, perhaps hundreds of other addicts and dealers very easily. does that mean they could charm almost any girl into immediate fucking? of course not, a woman who's not into that scene wouldn't touch that guy with a 10 foot pole. being charming to a certain group and having had sexual success within said group doesnt mean that appeal is universal. there are many guys who have a lot of sexual success, but not one who could fuck any or even almost any woman in the world, he'll still have to hone in on his type.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-08T15:23:20+00:00

The mere fact that there exist men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking

Wrong.

99% of players have selected or created a social circle that places high value on traits the players themselves excel in. For example, the star athlete :)

It's never "almost any" girl.

Girls like different things, dude

Here, try an experiment. Become really good at X. Now, make a social circle where people highly value X (X could be WoW playing!). Now, watch what happens when girls join said social circle.

"Almost any girl"

GO OUTSIDE, DUDE It. Isn't. Like. That.

[deleted] · 2017-03-08T16:23:50+00:00

[deleted]

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-08T15:03:08+00:00

[deleted]

EchoZeroEleven · 2017-03-08T15:17:32+00:00

I'm not sure this is true. Let's say for instance there's such a thing as "Interest Level (IL)".

If IL = 0, this is absolute no interest. Not crossing into disgust.

If IL = -1 (or less), she is actively disgusted. Disinterest.

If IL = 50+, she wants to see him a second time.

If IL = 75, she wants to sleep with him.

If IL = 100, she is absolutely captivated, hanging on every word. She wants the D immediately.

When we speak of players being successful, what does this mean? Do they take a woman's IL from 0 to 100? From -1 to 30? From 25 to 75? How fast does this change occur?

Does she need to already be interested in him? Or can he get someone who felt absolutely indifferent to him, and end up fucking her?

anitapk · 2017-03-08T15:33:10+00:00

The fact that these men exist without needing guidelines and that most women don't fuck these guys actually proves the opposite

fetchyminx · 2017-03-08T14:42:16+00:00

Most guys like similar things in women, what's your point?

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-08T15:32:09+00:00

The mere fact that there exist men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking, but at least being very interested in them

Can these guys really like actually do this though?

Lyanina · 2017-03-08T16:17:09+00:00

This is close, but not quite right.

I think most women like most similar things in men. I think there are men who are nearly universally attractive. Are they attractive to ALL women? No. They're attractive to a majority of women. Men like David Beckham, Rob Lowe, Brad Pitt, Channing Tatum, George Clooney.

Most women are attracted to men with typical masculine physical features. Low forehead, deep set eyes, low eyebrows, muscular definition without being roided out, trim and fit, not overweight, V-shaped torso from shoulder down to waist, healthy looking hair and teeth. Most women are attracted to men with these features, plus confidence, dominance, at least some fundamental Game, and status.

I don't think there are men out there who can charm almost any women into immediate fucking or immediate sexual attraction/interest.

What is more likely true, and what I think shows BP is wrong, is that all or almost all women (at least 90%) will have sex within hours of first meeting, or will have a ONS, with the right guy, at the right time, right place, right circumstances, and if she won't feel like a slut if she does.

I was telling shoup in this thread pretty much the same thing. I don't know a single woman IRL who HASN'T done this. Were the guys they fucked universally attractive? Probably not. But that doesn't matter - it was the right guy, at the right time in the right place, the circumstances were right, and she was sufficiently assured she wouldn't feel like a trashy cum dumpster if she did it.

THe BP "principle" proved wrong here, is that women all need to feel "in love" or "in a relationship" or need to have an "emotional connection" before they'll fuck. They don't need any of those things. Oh sure, she says she "felt something" or "felt like she'd known him forever" when she'd met him a day or three before. But it's all manufactured in her own mind. She hamsters herself into believing she had an "emotional connection" because everything else was on point, because he was doing all the right things and pulling all the right strings to give her the facsimile of an emotional connection, and because she needed to tell herself that so as to "give herself permission" to go ahead and fuck him.

That's where I think BP is wrong.

jintana · 2017-03-08T17:40:57+00:00

Charisma is real. The power to persuade is learnable. Men and women can have the ability to coerce people into making a choice that benefits them.

Me2_0 · 2017-03-08T17:44:28+00:00

Lol what does a player mean to you? A player is literally just a guy who has the balls to talk to a girl in person. You do that enough times and youll find a pattern or flow you get used to in order to get laid more consistently. But you get rejected a lot. Its not as if you can get ANY girl, but you have a high chance of getting ONE girl.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-08T22:02:26+00:00

Paul Janka is a career PUA, he's tall, he looks like this. He dedicated 10 years of his time to approaching women, and in perfecting his charm and approach in doing so.

By his own estimation he sleeps with 11% of the girls who give him their phone number. And thats not counting the ones who don't.

This "universally attractive man" does not exist.

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-03-08T22:51:38+00:00

The mere fact that there exist men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking, but at least being very interested in them

You know that that's not how PUAs work right? They approach 50 people and get rejected by 49 people, but they do this everyday that's why they have high n-counts. Not because a majority of women are attracted to him.

These are guys who literally spend the majority of their day chasing pussy and sometimes they get lucky.

wtknight · 2017-03-08T14:50:26+00:00

Women are impressed by different things, though. Even a successful player will have to change his approach to attract different women.

questioningwoman · 2017-03-08T14:51:52+00:00

People are pretty similar and like similar things. I live in Asia, where people place a lot less emphasis on individuality and it is resoundingly true here. Give or take. It works out ok as well, if you can cope with a bit of a lack of critical thinking.

The difference we have in the West is basically snowflakes. Too much is placed on individual identity and everyone has to have a say.

mistresswhat · 2017-03-08T20:21:02+00:00

The mere fact that there exist men who are able to charm almost any girl into if not immediately fucking, but at least being very interested in them

Okay, here's the thing -- they don't exist. There are men with a combination of good looks and charm that makes it relatively easy for them to have a lot of sex but most of these "players" are (1) approaching many women and getting rejected a lot more often than you probably realize, and (2) going after certain types of women in certain types of environments.

Second, there are probably a lot more women who fit your description than men.

Daniel_Bryan_Fan · 2017-03-08T22:03:04+00:00

The mere fact drug dealers exist proves all people are degenerate drug addicts who love heroine and ignore their children.

midnightvulpine · 2017-03-08T23:17:14+00:00

I think assuming these men can charm 'almost any' girl is presumptuous. The term almost any is very loose and it assumes some common quality besides charisma is the reason for this. Assuming your assumption is valid, of course. And charisma itself can vary in flavor from person to person. Likewise, most of these men likely seek in environments with women more predisposed to hooking up, which further weights the numbers.

Not to mention, unless these men were extruded in a factory with matching sizes, shapes, voices, manners of speaking and so forth, the diversity of these men further muddies your attempt to make a point. Unless you can be certain of precisely what about the men draws women the most.

This is a very low effort post.

AutoModerator · 2017-03-08T14:35:09+00:00

Attention!

You can post off topic/jokes/puns as a comment to this Automoderator message.
For "CMV" and "Question for X" Threads: Parent comments that aren't from the target group will be removed, along with their child replies.
If you want to agree with OP instead of challenging their view or if the question is not targeted at you, post it as an answer to this comment.
OP you can choose your own flair according to these guidelines., just press Flair under your post!

Thanks for your cooperation and enjoy the discussion!

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

Macheako · 2017-03-08T19:13:25+00:00

Well, yea. We all gotta eat man lol. What, you think your neighbor don't appreciate a fresh roll a toilet paper too? lol

You're just talking about Initial Attraction though. Not quite the same thing as Long Term. So while those "base line attributes" get you in the door, they don't necessarily speak to keeping ya in there. But again, you ain't wrong here. I mean, a little late to the party lol but yea, there absolutely exists a list of "Just All Around Smart Things To Do" if you're trying to meet a chick. The fact that people deny this doesn't disprove THAT idea, it just proves the idea that said person is a lazy fuckin prick who needs to get his/her ass in gear.

Returnofthemack3 · 2017-03-08T20:56:28+00:00

Some guys just need to see it for themselves I find. The girls they deem 'different' or 'special' being seduced by a player type and getting fucked silly that night. Most people literally need to go through a traumatic experience like that to shake up their silly world views

BPremium · 2017-03-08T15:25:37+00:00

naah, it just proves women are super shallow but deny it more

Title	Players existing proves BP wrong
Author	DarkLord0chinChin
Upvotes	10
Comments	204
Date	March 8, 2017 2:35 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5y87sq/players_existing_proves_bp_wrong/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/players-existing-proves-bp-wrong.269608 https://theredarchive.com/post/269608

Comments