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That’s part of it for sure. But I would say that my sex drive went down a lot more when I became happier and more okay with myself than it did when I started getting it regularly. To paraphrase a famous sex quote, insecurity is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 11:45 PM
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Perspective I guess. I have always been a good-looking guy, but for at least 4 years of my life, I was a total failure with women. So I’ve experienced a lot of what most guys experience (self-hate, insecurity, loneliness, hopelessness), and I’ve experienced the opposite, and I can safely say that much of what I thought and felt when I was a failure with women was not true. I understand why I felt that way, but with the perspective I have gained since then, I know now that I was wrong. One thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 09:53 PM
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Well, yeah, I think experience does make judgment a little clearer. Like a lot of stuff, it’s glamorized by Hollywood and not all it’s cracked up to be. Trust me — women are not just attracted to looks. Personality is a lot more important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 06:40 PM
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Sorry, but you are wrong. I am speaking as a guy near the top of the totem pole. What guy’s lower down don’t understand is that sleeping with a lot of women is not a forever goal for high value men. After the awkward teenage years passed and my emotions started to level out, I got a lot of action, and then it wasn’t special anymore. Once I felt validated as a man, I started to act more like a woman, just wanting to settle down and have a solid relationship. Spinning plates is not all that glamor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 03:03 PM
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Essentially, it just means that you don't give off a rapey vibe or a pansy vibe. You aren't going to hurt her, and (within reason) you could defend her if it came down to it.
/r/seduction14/07/16 05:20 PM
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I will not make the same mistakes I've made in the past, and I will hook up with her even if it's the worst thing ever, but, you know, I would like to avoid it being the worst thing ever. One of the most important aspects of good sex is to not be self-conscious. Not sure how easy it will be to accomplish that, but make it your goal.
/r/seduction14/07/16 05:18 PM
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I'm a bit sexually frustrated, so I always find myself looking intently at almost EVERY attractive girl I see on my way to work or in uni. Sounds to me like you need to find the ground. Just keep moving down the attractiveness scale until you find girls who want to talk to you. Trust me....as insecure as you might feel about your looks, you can definitely find women who are more insecure. It's a terrible cycle which has made me develop slight social anxiety, and I need to figure out how to break…
/r/seduction14/07/16 05:15 PM
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21 years old if that makes a difference. That makes a huge difference, I think. For one thing, you've got four years to go before your brain is fully mature. Stop worrying about whether your success is defined by other people. Everyone does that to some extent. Generally, the people who say that they are the ones who define their success are either weird, socially awkward guys or guys who are unquestionably respected by those around them. Obviously, you want to minimize the effect that other peo…
/r/seduction14/07/16 05:11 PM
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The best route isn't always the most direct. If you need help with socialization in general then focus on getting a network of guys to hang out with. That will make things a lot easier.
/r/seduction23/06/16 03:58 PM
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It's less about should versus shouldn't on dating girls you aren't attracted to.... I've found that in adult life, I've had more success with women I'm attracted to than I have with women I wasn't attracted to. If there's one way that men and women are the same, we want to be wanted. Even if she's more attracted to you than you are to her, that can quickly change once she feels you out. You're better off in the long run pursuing women you really dig because they will sense that and become more a…
/r/seduction22/06/16 05:31 PM
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Take it slow at first. It's kind of like a game of poker. You need to make a small bet at first to feel out the field. Then you raise the stakes as you gain more information. There's a reason it's called escalation. Dip your toe in first, and if you get a negative reaction, lay off for a little while.
/r/seduction22/06/16 05:03 PM
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I prefer the term "awareness" because I think it's more accurate/useful and it doesn't have all those connotations of new-agey bullshit. You are surrounded by people, places and things in your daily life. To me, awareness just means that you feel yourself in a kind of communion with the world around you, and you're not living in your head or shutting things out that displease you. A big part of it is a positive mental attitude, but it's also about not fearing the potential of something out of th…
/r/seduction22/06/16 04:58 PM
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Are you going alone? In that case I would say it's a bad idea to "go to a bar to hit on girls". Unless you have mad game, you will be seen as a creep. Instead, focus on expanding your social circle. Go to a bar to meet people (guys and girls) and get comfortable talking to strangers. Once you are able to build rapport quickly and easily, then you can start transitioning into seduction.
/r/seduction22/06/16 04:54 PM
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Yes, I fully understand how you feel: bitter, jealous, resentful, etc. Analyzing how you feel will not help anything. The only way to not feel that way any more is to fuck those girls. Stop thinking about it and start doing it.
/r/seduction22/06/16 04:50 PM
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Well, for one thing, I believe intimacy is more about thoughts/feelings and affection is more physical. You can be extremely intimate with a girl without ever touching her. I show intimacy immediately, but not full-throttle intimacy -- distant intimacy. You have to maintain your distance and give her ultimate freedom in her thoughts, actions and decisions. Basically, no pressure and no commitments. Affection comes after the relationship starts definitely after sex and ramps up as you move into a…
/r/seduction17/06/16 07:34 PM
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If we're talking about your average American girl and you don't have any extenuating circumstances going on like fame or money, then yes, polyamory is difficult to pull off. Works better in your imagination than it does in real life. You have the option of getting rich or moving to another country, or you could just lie like most Americans do when they step out on their significant others. It's just kind of the way things are done around here.
/r/seduction17/06/16 07:31 PM
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Depends on what type of person you are, but yes, college is generally better. It depends a great deal on which college though. Not all colleges are created equal. For example, if you went to Arizona or Arizona State you would be inundated with beautiful women who are pretty much there to hook up and party, whereas if you went to UC San Diego, people would be pretty much focused on their classes and too self-conscious to really fuck. I only mention those schools because I have experience there, b…
/r/seduction17/06/16 07:28 PM
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Yeah, dude, that is totally natural. I got laid all of ONCE when I was 19 with probably like 100 rejections, so don't get down on yourself. You have a lot of time left. Just keep bettering yourself, expanding your social circle and increasing your value (education, shape, talent/skill, etc.)
/r/seduction16/06/16 11:30 PM
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It's also really easy to say afterwards: "he was a creepy guy", so this was a pretty weak argument. Your conclusion does not follow from your assumption. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but that does not mean that foresight is blind. Women don't have some sixth sense.... I beg to differ. Rape as a crime is a relatively new concept. The only protection women had against rape for millions of years was their "spidey sense" about "creepy" guys. That's why the term is so ubiquitous. That is why they get int…
/r/seduction16/06/16 11:25 PM
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Most important contextual question: how old are you? For guys younger than 25, there is going to be a certain amount of rejection that you just have to accept. You accept it and keep pushing. I think the average age that guys begin to get a grip on their sexual destiny should be 25 or so. If you are older than 25, that's fine. You just need to work extra hard to catch up to the curve.
/r/seduction16/06/16 05:08 PM
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The compliance test is really a test to see whether or not they’re going to be able to get away with whatever they want. Why you want to test this? Well, they want to find out whether or not you’re used to beautiful women hitting on you or whether or not you’re used to being with beautiful women. This seems to be a really common misconception in the community. This analysis simply doesn't make sense. If she asks you to do errand-boy type stuff for her, that isn't a test -- it's a signal of disin…
/r/seduction16/06/16 05:05 PM
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What makes you think I didn't read it?
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:52 PM
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This is a great post that every beginner on here needs to read. Stop trying to be sarcastic or funny or dick-ish or whatever else you read on the Internet you are supposed to be. Show a unique and genuine interest in the woman in front of you. It sounds ridiculously simple, but that is one of the key elements of seduction. If you watch Russell Brand in action, you will notice that whether he is talking to a guy or a girl, he emanates this genuine interest in the person in front of him. That is w…
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:28 PM
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Do things that you are genuinely interested in and meet people at those places. It doesn't have to be classes, just do what you want to do.
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:23 PM
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No, no and no. A compliment is her way of showing initial interest. Nothing more, nothing less. If you come off as an arrogant douche, that interest will go away. Then you've just failed.
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:22 PM
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Yes. Use it as a springboard for actual conversation. "Thanks! What are you drinking?" "Thanks! What brings you here?" "Thanks! So what's happening?"
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:20 PM
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Just no...so douchey. Ugh, KJ all over the place.
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:20 PM
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I would say that I dedicated most of my effort to physical stuff. Being a bit of a computer geek and also a bit of a social recluse, I was able to remedy a lot of the negative effects with dance classes, acting classes, yoga, Feldenkrais, Pilates, and sports. I had been lifting for years, but it didn't make any sort of impact on my attractiveness to women it seemed. The other stuff showed immediate results. Fitting in. The truth is that I was never going to be mainstream, but making a little eff…
/r/seduction31/05/16 06:07 PM
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If you live in the Bay Area, then I can see where you are coming from, but if you live anywhere else I would beg to differ. What are you basing your perception on? Like one or two cases of women sleeping around? Have you done a comprehensive sampling of women all over the state? I've lived in different places all over the world, and I can confidently say that we still live in a very puritanical culture where women are more interested in money, status and power than they are in sex. In France, I …
/r/seduction04/05/16 01:16 AM
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What makes you say that?
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:46 AM
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Honestly, I think women will always have doubts about men. Women don't think too highly of our ability to stick with one woman and not chase the next skirt that bounces by. I see a lot more guys fail by not being aggressive enough than I see guys fail for being too aggressive. It's the neediness that kills the interaction. Nothing to do with doubt -- just that neediness is a huge turn-off. Women want to be wanted, not needed.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:44 AM
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Tell me so I can prove you wrong please. LOL. Love this approach. You said yourself that all of your friends ganged up on you. If a full consensus of your friends says that you did something wrong and you can't understand where they are coming from, then you must not respect their opinions. Maybe some day you will notice the difference between being a rugged individualist and being a flat out dick, but right now you don't seem to be able to tell the difference. Friend: Hey, I was working on that…
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:39 AM
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Your bag of potatoes may not be worth $100, but it may be just what someone wants to eat if they have had rice for dinner every night five years running.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:34 AM
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Didn't say you were a bad person -- just that you are not a great friend. There are plenty of good people who make bad friends. Inflated egos tend to have that effect.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:32 AM
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I agree. Getting the jitters out, getting your head straight....that is what mass approaching will do for you. Fortunately, I was young when I had a numbers game mindset. I just worry about guys who have fully mature brains and are still holding out for that one super hot high quality girl who is going to say yes to their direct approach, even though she will never come.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:31 AM
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I mostly agree with segments of what all the gurus write. There is good stuff in Gunwitch method, 60 Years of Challenge, Mystery Method, The Game, and even RSD although I would say that is the most scammy of the bunch. I'll PM you the rest of my response.
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:22 AM
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I'm saying that mass approaching is good for getting the jitters out, good for exploring your feelings about yourself and the people around you and women and sex....not good for results though. Once you get past the phase where it's all new to you, you need to start honing your technique. You're saying you don't interact with people in such a polarizing way that they either reject or accept you? Yes, for the most part. I mean, some women will reject you. That is just a given. But what you really…
/r/seduction04/05/16 12:18 AM
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A lot of women just give out their number to get rid of guys and get back to whatever they were doing. A lot of women give out their number because they genuinely appreciate the effort even though they don't want to date you. A lot of women give out their number to try you out, and you proceed to fuck it up by being too needy or too boring. So they change their minds. A lot of women just have trouble saying no -- period. They don't want to hurt your feelings -- at least not in person. A lot of w…
/r/seduction03/05/16 06:47 PM
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Seduction is not deceiving yourself. We're on the Internet. A lot of people on here are deceiving themselves. They are called KJs. Seduction is a real world way of getting real results. If you have successfully determined that no woman is good enough for you, then you are not a seducer. You just went from being a sad, lonely guy to a sad, arrogant lonely guy in denial.
/r/seduction03/05/16 06:34 PM
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This brought a tear to my eye. Glad to see that others agree rejection is not the answer to anyone's problems. It's such a fee-for-service way of thinking about pickup. "Hey, I just paid you $2,500 and got rejected 500 times in a row." "Yes, but those rejections are so much more valuable than you can ever imagine. Trust me it was worth it." As I've said before, you need to tune out all the feel-good BS that's out there and start being results-oriented if you want results.
/r/seduction03/05/16 06:32 PM
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As Daygame Coach said, different things will work for different people. Certain things about us (the way we look physically, the way we dress, what we do for work, the way we talk) are going to make a certain group of girls your "target market". And what works on that target market will not work on another target market. The concept that I found most useless for myself was that I needed to have a "player vibe". It's just not congruent with my personality. The "lover boy" vibe just works a lot be…
/r/seduction03/05/16 06:15 PM
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California
/r/seduction03/05/16 05:53 PM
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I can only speak for my geographic area and subculture, but I would say no. Most women strive to keep their counts low. I would estimate that 90% of women have a count that is less than 10. The other 10% have counts in the hundreds.
/r/seduction03/05/16 04:17 PM
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I like that you used the word "fear". Fear is something that you can overcome! I don't like being rejected. It sucks. But I definitely don't fear it. Fear can control your life. Don't let it.
/r/seduction03/05/16 04:15 PM
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One of the primary traits of a lover type is that you keep it on the down low! which made me message him and tell him that I've been sleeping with her for the last couple months, along with a bunch of the screenshots of our texts, not to destroy their relationship but because it seemed morally right. Nothing about any of that is morally right. He either didn't believe me or didn't care; either way, both of them blocked me on all social media. It's because you acted out of desperation and allowed…
/r/seduction03/05/16 04:11 PM
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Okay, but if she is getting paid to do a job, and she believes that it's more beneficial to beginners to stage something than to use real footage, then there is nothing to "expose". It would be like if a stripper went to a reporter and said, "I've got a real juicy story for you. Did you know that strippers don't really like the guys in the club? That they are just flirting to get tips?" Not news.
/r/seduction03/05/16 02:39 PM
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Sorry, but I would have to beg to differ. I don't find Tyler charismatic at all. He comes off as quite awkward to me.
/r/seduction03/05/16 02:37 PM
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Big deal? If you're a shit friend, you're going to end up alone in the end. You should value the people who are loyal to you and return the favor. Don't bitch about your friends on Seddit.
/r/seduction03/05/16 02:35 PM
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Look, if you don't get it, you don't get it. A quality guy doesn't treat his friends that way -- talking shit behind their back. Besides just being bad karma, it's the mark of a total pussy. If you have something to say, say it to their face. Don't come whining about it on Seddit.
/r/seduction03/05/16 02:33 PM
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Exactly what I was saying. With friends like Fortitude Creed, who needs enemies? One of the foundations of a good friendship is mutual admiration and respect.
/r/seduction03/05/16 02:32 PM
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I disagree with the basic principle. I think first impressions tend to stick. If you are a true failure with women (i.e. that guy who is always hitting on women and always striking out) that reputation will stick with you. The good news is that you can always start over with new people. There are billions on this planet. One of the greatest things I learned in life is that when you are in a self-improvement mode, it's much easier to start over with new friends and acquaintances than it is to try…
/r/seduction03/05/16 05:28 AM
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just because im a better conversationalist This is how you talk about your friends?
/r/seduction03/05/16 05:25 AM
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How could such a big company stage infield without ever being blackmailed or exposed? Yes, they can cut their infield videos. Stage them? I doubt it. That's kind of like saying, "how can the Red Cross take millions of dollars of charitable donations over to Haiti and not build any shelters for the victims of the earthquake?" How could Bernie Madoff have run a multi-billion dollar Ponzi Scheme with no one getting the wiser? How could Enron have generated scores and scores of fake financial statem…
/r/seduction03/05/16 05:20 AM
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Tyler is a master at public speaking. I've never seen anyone with that level of charisma, honestly. Jack Nicholson? Dennis Hopper? Anthony Hopkins? Come on man....you're just making the "cult" accusation seem all the more likely. Tyler is a normal dude by any measure.
/r/seduction03/05/16 05:14 AM
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I think that I'm in the friend zone mostly because we don't see each other.... Nope, you're in the friend zone because you didn't make a move when you had a chance. You usually only get one, so next time it comes along, don't miss it. Again, the solution is to forget about this woman and work on other ones.
/r/seduction02/05/16 09:25 PM
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I think it's important to think outside the box. What you say doesn't always have to make perfect sense. It helps to be a little bit mysterious. I find myself sounding more like Jim Morrison and less like Julien Blanc, but that's just me and my style. What reading material would you recommend for a newbie? My personal canon is The Art of Seduction, Influence by Cialdini, How to Win Friends and Influence People and Your Erroneous Zones. Those helped me to take care of my own weaknesses. Your weak…
/r/seduction02/05/16 09:22 PM
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Sounds like you just missed the boat. We never kissed Why not?! Be bolder. she took me really far away from everyone, and then she lay down on my shoulder Perfect opportunity to make out and get her clothes off. Sounds like she really wanted you. Wanted....now, who knows? She did all that she could. Why didn't you respond? also in summer I was far away from her, so we couldn't meet.... That's a good thing. You need to focus on other girls if only to get your skills where they need to be. Be bold…
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:36 PM
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I have been talking with a girl for a long time. Depends on how old you are, but this is generally a bad sign. I would say that even in high school situations, you are better off staying as far away from the friend zone as possible. Be bolder!
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:21 PM
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Your Erroneous Zones is pretty much the best out there. One of the best selling books in the world too.
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:20 PM
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LOL
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:17 PM
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Nice. When pressed, I classify my style of game as "aesthetic game". I rely heavily on creating intrigue and giving the woman a satisfying experience. When we converse, I think of myself as authoring a novel in the romantic-realism style. This runs very much contrary to a lot of other styles. You might hear guys say, "it doesn't matter what you say with your words, it matters what you subommunicate with strong eye contact, kino, etc." For my style, what you say is the most important part of it. …
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:12 PM
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RSD isn't complete crap. It touches on some important concepts. But it's also very dogmatic. I would think that RSD's techniques are more harmful than beneficial to a beginner. Always be skeptical of people who are trying to sell you something that you can get for free. It's possible that some of the videos are staged. It's 100% certain that you are only seeing the best five minutes out of the thousands of hours of tape they have on themselves. Don't be fooled by movie magic. Hell, when I was in…
/r/seduction02/05/16 08:03 PM
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Except that "I want to fuck you" and "I might fuck you" are two totally different sentences with completely different meanings. LOL Women are constantly hedging their words to make sure that guys dont' take it the wrong way. If she says "I want to fuck you" there are no two ways about it. Sorry, I think you are KJing here.
/r/seduction02/05/16 06:47 PM
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It's just universal that you are showing sexual/relationship interest when you start talking about astrology. It's thought of as a check for compatibility. This is how a typical conversation with a woman would go for me. Me: Hey Her: Hey Me: That drink looks pretty fruity. What is it? Her: A Midori Sour. Me: Don't tell anyone, but I secretly like a lot of those sweet drinks. Her: Haha, your secret's safe with me. Me: I love that dimple on the tip of your nose. You wouldn't happen to be a Libra w…
/r/seduction02/05/16 06:45 PM
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No, that's weak. You need to build a little comfort first. Open with something indirect and tailored to the situation. I think a great way to signal interest indirectly is to start talking about astrology. As soon as you bring up the topic of astrology, she pretty much knows you are interested in her, but there is plausible deniability as well. Plausible deniability is very important in the early stages because it takes all the pressure off of her to like you back. If you want someone to fall fo…
/r/seduction02/05/16 06:16 PM
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Girls that actually want to fuck you just fuck you. Not in my experience. Straight out telling you that they are interested sexually is about as aggressive as a girl is ever going to get. The man has to be the one to take action! Have you ever had girls say "I want to fuck you" to you? I have. That means you need to get your logistics straight pronto. Her: I want to fuck you. You: I'll call an Uber. Or Her: I want to fuck you. You: Let's see if any of these bedrooms are free. It's not a tease wh…
/r/seduction02/05/16 06:11 PM
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What do you mean they can talk forever about work? I mean that if a person were so inclined, he or she could talk forever about work. It's just that people don't want to. Well, every so often you do run into a workaholic type who doesn't want to talk about anything but work....and it will probably turn you off in a huge way.
/r/seduction02/05/16 06:09 PM
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There's some ridiculous stuff in here, but some good material as well. Given the low quality of Seddit posts, you get an up vote. But come on man! A girl says, "I want to fuck you" and you say "You have to buy me dinner first?" Total rejection. There are very few ways to fuck up when a woman says "I want to fuck you", but that's one of them.
/r/seduction02/05/16 03:06 PM
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Why do you think couples have sex after arguing? Anger is raw passion. Couples have sex after arguing, not during. Makeup sex is part of the "breaking rapport" effect. Any time you think you've lost something, you will feel extra good when you get it back. This post is just wrong. Sorry but "being pissed" at a woman isn't seductive. Don't ask permission from women. Ever? You don't give any specific examples, so I have to assume that you mean you should never ask a woman a question. That is flat …
/r/seduction02/05/16 03:02 PM
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First off, why are you asking us how to do something that you're not even sure you want to do? You want us to help you totally smash this girl's heart into a million pieces? Answer to your question: haven't you seen any romantic comedies along these lines? Figure out what she likes, take her out on a date that is relevant to her interests (if she likes art, take her to museum; if she likes a certain band, get tickets, etc). Leave little notes in her purse. If you want the relationship to work, y…
/r/seduction02/05/16 02:56 PM
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This only works if the girl is already into you. If you do this approaching random women, you will just be seen as a creep.
/r/seduction02/05/16 02:47 PM
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I want a conversation that gets both of us excited. Essentially, whatever you talk about, you want it to trigger her emotions and not her frontal lobe. This is why I don't like questions that are too too open ended like "what makes you happy?" Anyone would really need to think about that. You want to minimize thinking and maximize reacting. I always start with basic banter. Funny observations tailored to her situation, whatever that situation is. You will fuck up every so often (I still do), but…
/r/seduction02/05/16 02:46 PM
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It's not that it doesn't lead to further convo. Are you kidding? Everyone can talk forever about what they do for work. That's why they do it for work. It's that talking about work is not what people want to do when they are having fun. Also, it's not a very sexy topic at all. You don't want to talk about what people do day in and day out, you want to talk about hopes, dreams and fantasies. Far off destinations, exotic places, nostalgia, emotions.
/r/seduction02/05/16 02:35 PM
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Um, yes. Did you? The quote downplays luck as a factor. I'm saying that luck is a huge factor at any level of the game. Not relevant.
/r/seduction30/04/16 05:23 PM
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I've always suffered from depression, and always wanted to help others out of theirs. But I sadly learned that women aren't really interested in this, and seem to want a fun, confident, knows-what-he-wants kind of guy. Basically, the fewer issues the better. Being fun and passionate is a great way to help people out of their own depression -- or at least cope with it. Don't you find yourself more attracted to those types of people? When I was depressed, I always did. If love only springs when we…
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:52 PM
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What is your game? You didn't really give us anything to go off of. Sounds to me that you just lack initiative and direction. Like you said, you used to get laid for free because of your status. Congrats on even acknowledging that. A number of so-called gurus haven't even gotten to that point. Read The Art of Seduction. It will open your mind to a whole new way of thinking. You need to do more seductive things and do less anti-seductive things.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:46 PM
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Because it's a good mentality to have.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:40 PM
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No. Luck has plenty to do with it. If you have terrible game, your target market is really desperate women. You might get better at recognizing desperate women, but it's still luck that you would come across a woman who is desperate enough to fuck a guy with no game.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:39 PM
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Just that we are a diverse species -- a very diverse species. Realize that Seddit isn't as much about seduction as it is just about dating successfully and getting laid -- so forget about seduction for a moment. I honestly think that one of the main reasons that guys on here aren't getting laid can be chalked up to two things: Shame. Sadly, we are taught from a young age that sex is a bad thing that you shouldn't do, talk about or even think about. When sex came on the television screen, your pa…
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:36 PM
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Golden.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:24 PM
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The awful thing is that there are no "levels." Well, I suppose if you want to count the hotness of the girl as a "level" you can.... That is pretty much the level.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:23 PM
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Value is a slippery word. When I use the word "value", I use it in an economic sense, except that people don't have exchange value (in other words, you cannot trade in two 5s for a 10). So let's say that someone offers you a car with the stipulation that you can't sell or trade it -- if you pick the car, you have to keep it. In many ways, the value of that car to you will be proportional to its cost. In some ways, your own personal preferences will override the price of the vehicle. Apart from t…
/r/seduction29/04/16 08:40 PM
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I see your point about the risk of being judged, but doesn't that mean that women are excluded from the concept of being comfortable with who they are? Perhaps you are putting a bit too much value on your initial interactions with women. As with everything in life it's a cost-benefit-risk-reward analysis. When you come off as judgmental, you aren't giving yourself a great chance to score well on that analysis. You don't have to believe me, but it's reality. Women are more sensitive to judgment t…
/r/seduction29/04/16 03:49 PM
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Whenever I am with a woman, I try to discover her views and opinions. For whatever reason, it always ends. If it ends because you focus too much on her, that would surprise me. I think you need to investigate further. My guess is that you are just not being seductive enough. Being seductive can cover up a lot of mistakes.
/r/seduction29/04/16 06:26 AM
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There is a difference between judging (more specifically evaluating) and being judgmental. In essence, women are very risk averse when it comes to their reputations. When they meet judgmental men, they see risk. What if I don't like him and he spreads bad rumors about me? What if he finds out something about me that he doesn't like and starts judging me? You want to alleviate any fear she has that you will take exception to her, and a great way to do that is to not be judgmental. Again, this isn…
/r/seduction29/04/16 06:23 AM
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First of all, if I were posed with the same question, I would almost definitely respond with something along the lines of, "I don't think about myself all that often. What do you think?" It's not uncommon for my conversation with a woman to get to the point where she says, "well, I've just been talking your ear off about me, but I want to know more about you. What are you all about?" You want to get to that point before you start talking about yourself, because she is bound to love what you have…
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:36 AM
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Swag on the other hand, is a term that I feel has an immature connotation to it, used by celebrities to describe their questionable appearance with their pants halfway down their legs. Well, it's definitely not that, but that's beside the point. You are being judgmental and negative. Unless you are going for full-on goth emo chicks who feel the exact same way that you do, this technique will probably not yield the best results.
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:31 AM
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You kind of gave us nothing to go off of. What are we supposed to tell you not to do if we have no idea what your interactions are like?
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:28 AM
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Assuming you started at 16, that's a new girl every three days. Sorry, but I call BS. I doubt many rock stars have slept with 1600 women -- except maybe super ugly guys who are way insecure about it like Gene Simmons. Every guy is different, but at some point sleeping with random women loses its appeal -- even if you are only banging 9s and 10s.
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:25 AM
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Another way is when guys in the club buy expensive tables. This must be location specific. Pretty much every time I've seen a group of dudes get expensive bottle service tables in Vegas, I end up feeling really bad for them because no girls approach. If the guys are decent looking, the girls will come for free drinks and then take off. Obviously results will vary, but at least in SoCal/Vegas bottle service for women is fool's gold. You need to be balling out pretty hardcore to impress women arou…
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:17 AM
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That's a difficult question to answer. I have 2 or 3 lifelong friends. When I was in college, I had a set of 5-10 college friends whom I have since lost contact with. At each workplace, I had 3-5 work friends, but you know, people move, people go to different companies and all that. Each of these friends has other friends and acquaintances that you can get to know. Your extended social circle should number in the hundreds and be in a constant state of ebb and flow. Not all of my friends are grea…
/r/seduction28/04/16 11:07 PM
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She wears team colors but isn't a huge sports fan? You just described like 90% of women. Women are more emotional than men. They get attached to ideas and concepts and nostalgia whereas men tend to geek out on every little detail. If the most important thing to you is that she is equally as geeked out about stuff as you are, then you need to either drastically lower your standards for her looks or turn gay. This has nothing to do with one-itis, btw. One-itis is when you are so mentally invested …
/r/seduction28/04/16 09:12 PM
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It takes men as little as five seconds to fall completely in love. It just takes a lot longer for women. Also, love for women isn't really based on attraction -- it's based on an emotional connection.
/r/seduction28/04/16 08:38 PM
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All of mine have either been through travel or social circle. I don't know why everyone thinks that the best way to sleep with women is just to walk up to random strangers....I don't know why I thought that too when I was younger. But it's not. When you see guys going home with women, there is usually some sort of social connection. There are situations where social circle goes out the window, but they are few and far between (large parties, vacation destinations, etc.) The biggest return on inv…
/r/seduction28/04/16 08:35 PM
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Ask her if she likes you.... Good example of terrible advice given on this sub.
/r/seduction28/04/16 08:31 PM
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Look man, I'm not interested in exploring the various interpretations of what "inner world" could possibly mean. I have a scientific mind that demands results. Arguing in circles is boring to me. Suffice to say that sitting around reading books....well, it's an interesting diversion, but there is no way I could gain true joy from that kind of life. I'm an extrovert. That's all there is to it.
/r/seduction27/04/16 11:05 PM
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Dude, she is already interested. How to fuck a hot girl: Show no fear Just go for it Despite what virgins on the Internet think, hot women are not insecure -- at least not about their looks or how they look naked or whether guys are going to like fucking them. They know that they excel in those categories. What she really wants is for a guy to not be afraid and who just goes for it so she doesn't have to constantly wait around.
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:32 PM
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Total KJ. LOL
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:29 PM
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You say I'm projecting and then you write an insecure virgin response like this? LOL x 2
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:29 PM
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Look, you guys met on Tinder. She hasn't gone anywhere. She wants to smash, you want to smash. Just do it!
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:25 PM
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bitches like this That kinda goes to my point though. Nothing she has done sounds out of the ordinary to me. Yeah, perhaps my reply was harsh, but it should be interpreted as urgency, not criticism. Really, it's very little he needs to do. Stop judging her, don't be afraid, just go for it. She's already into him.
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:24 PM
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I say emergency situation because girls don't stick around for long when guys are afraid to make moves. I'm saying smash or she's gonna bail.
/r/seduction27/04/16 06:14 PM
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I m just trying to minimize my efforts and expecting returns for everything I do. No you're not. You're scared and self-conscious. It's even more obvious from your follow-up post. Sorry dude, I hope this doesn't come off as offensive, but I consider this a kind of emergency situation where you really need to snap out of it. Eventually, this chick is going to stop wasting her time with you, and then you'll only have your hand to play power games with.
/r/seduction27/04/16 03:24 PM
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Sorry dude, I just read your whole post, and I think you really need to do some introspection. Her text game is not bad at all. I was expecting a lot worse. So she is making you jump through a few hoops. So what? Big deal. You have yet to provide an example of her asking you to majorly go out of your way. If I had to guess, I'd say it's not that you don't want to smash -- you are afraid to. You seem to have a complex about her being higher value than you. Your goal here is to try and convince us…
/r/seduction27/04/16 03:20 PM
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You kind of mention three different concepts here, in my opinion: Catching feelings - this is generally used to describe what happens in a fuck-buddy or friends-with-benefits type relationship when there is an initial understanding that it will be purely sexual and not emotional, and one person ends up getting emotionally invested. getting invested way too fast - this term is generally used in the dating stage to describe a guy who starts making assumptions and being a bit pushy at a point when …
/r/seduction27/04/16 03:11 PM
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You are being emotional.....Fine. Then fuck off. Hmmm...I am being emotional? That means, by definition, that you're not always happy because other people wil not always be there. Unless I end up in solitary confinement or GITMO or something, I would say that yes, other people will always be there. Sounds like maybe you have abandonment issues or something, I dunno.
/r/seduction27/04/16 04:31 AM
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If you want to make this into a semantic argument about the definitions of the words "want" and "need", then sorry, but I'm just not interested in doing that. It's a childish argument, really. How am I narcissistic? Because I disagree with you? No, you're narcissistic because you're telling me I should be more like you when I'm perfectly happy the way that I am. A narcissist is someone who can't empathize -- who can't say to himself, "hmmm...this person has different opinions, and I see where th…
/r/seduction27/04/16 02:33 AM
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Why? Were you born like that? Because if not, it's something you can change. First off, that's not true. Our brains are changing and solidifying before we even start to form long term memories. There is a lot of stuff that we aren't born with that we acquire in the first five years of our lives that will never go away. The human brain is an extremely complicated thing. Secondly, why would I want to? I get a great deal of joy out of other people and as far as I can tell, the feeling is mutual. Yo…
/r/seduction26/04/16 09:38 PM
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Ummmm....ok. I can see that the idea of substance in what you write is one that eludes you. Is that really the best you can do? "You can't understand me...." Sounds like something an emo teenager would say.
/r/seduction26/04/16 09:31 PM
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Yes. Everything you write is 100% completely true -- at least for guys like me. I think a lot of it depends on personality type, but the basic rule is that first impressions stick forever. You have changed a lot since you first met these girls at your school. They remember the old you. They will always have that impression. It's not that they dislike you in any way, it's just that attraction works in the deep parts of our brain that we aren't even aware of. After I figured out that it's better t…
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:37 PM
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This is interesting for me, because one of the things that yielded the best results for me in college was finally giving in to using text-speak. Sorry to say, but I beg to differ with you on this one when it comes to most women. The way I talk on Reddit is the real me, but if I wanted to bang a girl of average intelligence, I would dumb it down quite a bit -- and it would work.
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:33 PM
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Some people (like me) just don't like to sit around and read and sip tea on Friday and Saturday. Some people have, do and always will rely on other people for their happiness. Some people are more independent. Both of those types can succeed, imo.
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:31 PM
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Then count yourself lucky. A lot of guys start their seduction journey as virgins. You probably have several qualities that women want. Your peak will be a lot higher than other guys' peak, so that should give you more to look forward to. It was tough for me to admit that a lot of my earlier "success" with women had more to do with them succeeding with me than me succeeding with them, but I eventually realized that was the reality. And I wasn't happy about it. When you are succeeding below your …
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:25 PM
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LOL, yep. It's the type of logic that comes from a life of privilege. 1) I'm confident and successful. 2) You're not confident or successful. 3) Be more confident, and then you can be successful. Okay, now go forth and prosper, but remember to pay the cashier on the way out.
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:20 PM
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I for one fail for more often than I succeed. Typically at a ratio of 20:1. Baseball players fail more often than they succeed, but succeed more than anyone else could. Most humans have a pretty good idea of whether they are achieving good results or not. We are surrounded by each other every day, so it becomes apparent whether or not we excel at what we are doing. Someone would have to be extraordinarily lacking self awareness not to learn from repeated failure. I've not seen it. Eventually, so…
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:18 PM
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Exactly.
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:11 PM
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Well, yeah, obviously you should have a positive outlook on life and believe that almost anything is possible given enough hard work. As a geeky type, I think one of the hardest things for me to learn was dancing. After years of practice, I believe that I am now mediocre at best. Could I eventually become a highly skilled professional level dancer. Yes, perhaps, but it would take me a lot longer than someone who was more natural at it. But if that were my life's passion, I would be putting in al…
/r/seduction26/04/16 03:11 PM
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They aren't even close to identical. If I may, the thesis of your post was "yes, you need confidence to succeed with women, and here's how to build your confidence...blah blah, motivational platitudes." What I'm saying is forget about confidence and focus on success. Confidence will not come without success. Self-respect doesn't result in confidence. Effort does not result in confidence. Dressing well does not result in confidence. Most of all, trying to act confident doesn't result in confidenc…
/r/seduction26/04/16 02:53 PM
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Success is just the opposite of failure. And yes, I'm saying that you can't truly be confident with women until you have had success with women. OP is the one who is saying that confidence is a prerequisite for success -- not me. I wasn't confident at all when I started to succeed with women.
/r/seduction26/04/16 02:47 PM
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Oh no, you definitely can have a lot of success without any confidence. Read Bill Russell's biography. He threw up before every game. He never felt that he was good enough, and he won 11 NBA championships. I can say from my own experience that the first time I took the SATs, I walked in thinking "this test is nothing, I'm going to own this shit" and got an 1140. Disgusted with myself, I studied like crazy for the next two months and walked into the second attempt thinking, "oh shit oh shit oh sh…
/r/seduction25/04/16 08:30 AM
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I get what you are saying, and my guess is that you are just dating/fucking below your potential. Any possibility this could be the case?
/r/seduction25/04/16 08:20 AM
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Yes. There is a lot of material in there. Some of it will resonate with you. Some of it will not. I think the genius of The Art of Seduction is that it just opens your mind to a different way of thinking about sexual attraction. There is no magic pill, no one way to do things. But I'm willing to bet that there is an angle that will work for you. You start to see things from a different perspective, and then you just get it. You see what about you is seductive, then you refine it and develop it u…
/r/seduction25/04/16 08:09 AM
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You can't. Focus on success. Confidence will follow.
/r/seduction25/04/16 07:54 AM
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When I read posts like this, I first wonder "how do useless posts like this get so many upvotes?" I mean, come on, just look at all the spammy links at the end. You really can't see this for what it is? Cheap click bait? Then I remember that most of the guys on here aren't getting laid. So that explains in some capacity why bad advice that cannot yield any positive results is seen by so many on here as good advice. Truth be told, most of the guys getting results aren't going to be on Seddit look…
/r/seduction25/04/16 07:49 AM
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I'll take that as constructive criticism. Good to hear. For all I know, you may have some good stuff to teach, even though we disagree on a fundamental aspect of the learning process. Human beings seek gratification and validation from external sources, not internal. This is why we wear the clothes we wear, listen to the music we listen to, follow the religion we do and buy into media drama. I disagree with this. It's a principle of persuasion that you should appeal to people's self-interest. Al…
/r/seduction23/04/16 11:49 PM
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You read the entire post and all you got from it was that I was bragging? No, I'm just saying that was the only substantial part of the post. I explained that working from the outside to the inside is ineffective. You have it backwards. Humans naturally try to work from the inside to the outside. Half of the posts you read on here are about guys trying to improve their inner game and wondering why they aren't getting any better with women. I could probably post five links to posts like that. Lin…
/r/seduction23/04/16 10:21 PM
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Okay, so girl #1 asks girl #2 about you. Girl #2 says, "he's my guy friend." Was girl #1 attractive? Was she giving you any other signals? While she could have just been making conversation, there is also a possibility that Girl #1 was interested in you. You need to be focusing on the women around you. Stop focusing on yourself!
/r/seduction23/04/16 09:58 PM
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I'll stop because this is running a little long. It's not that long, but it is much longer than it needed to be. I mean, you didn't really say anything substantial except for the bragging about yourself portion.
/r/seduction23/04/16 09:53 PM
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I'm just not sure if I came on too aggressively without meaning to or if I did other shit wrong that I didn't even notice. Going with the odds, it's probably the latter. The best way to improve is to be like a chess player. If you lose at chess, you can think back and say, "oh well, the game could have gone either way. I'll just keep rolling the dice until it works." Or...you could go back over all of your moves and find the spot(s) where you made one move but should have made another. That way,…
/r/seduction23/04/16 09:23 PM
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Fully agree with this. Don't turn into Eliott Roger.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:35 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Truth is that none of us can really affect who we are. But we can change what we do. Try this: ask yourself what you want to do. Find an answer. Then do it. It's so much easier to do something you haven't done before than to be a person you've never been before.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:33 PM
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The short answer is that she isn't into you, and that could be for any number of reasons. You will get better advice when you post a full field report so that we can evaluate the interaction in its entirety.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:28 PM
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There is nothing wrong with apologizing in general, but the scenario you describe is not good. "Aww, it's okay and thank you so much" is pretty much code for "I'm never going to have sex with you." She is pretty much telling you, "don't be too direct", so rather than worrying about whether or not you should apologize, you should be worrying that you are coming off as too direct. It puts too much pressure on women, and women hate to be pressured. Be more indirect and you will get better results.
/r/seduction23/04/16 07:43 PM
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This isn't me disagreeing, this is me honestly feelings like the OP is angry about one indivudals behavior instead of a groups. Did he mention an individual? I don't believe so. I for one know several high-profile members of the community who believe that one of the primary characteristics of an alpha male is his aloofness. Besides that, posts on the subject of "not giving fucks" pop up on Seddit from time to time and get a massive amount of upvotes, even though I think they are rather irrelevan…
/r/seduction21/04/16 03:40 AM
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more knowledgeable in logical fallacies than myself? I wouldn't necessarily say that. I am knowledgeable about delivering persuasive arguments though, and just saying "straw man" is one of the least persuasive arguments a person can make. Technically, any time a person labels an argument fallacious without providing counter-reasoning, that could certainly be considered ad hominem. As the OP is clearly yelling at a group when the OP wants to yell at an individual. Since that is not what OP said, …
/r/seduction20/04/16 12:02 PM
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I'm just giving you some advice on how to sound like a guy who knows how to accomplish stuff and not like a high school junior who just read a chapter on fallacies. You can take or leave that advice. It's up to you.
/r/seduction18/04/16 09:22 PM
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Um, no your application of "straw man" is totally and completely wrong. Sorry. If you were well-versed in fallacies, you would be able to use them as a way to arrive at solutions. Fallacies are not meant to be used as a simple shortcut to criticizing an argument without providing any supporting evidence.
/r/seduction18/04/16 07:15 PM
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Exactly. Self-deprecation is generally a sign of confidence rather than insecurity. Insecure people are sensitive to anyone (including themselves) saying anything negative about them. Confident people don't care. Without a doubt, the most confident/attractive women I've met have a self-deprecating attitude and prefer to think of themselves as just like everyone else. The ones with issues are the ones who think they are the shit. On the second season of Dating Naked, there was a girl named Fallon…
/r/seduction18/04/16 06:37 PM
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Honestly? All three sound like the same guy to me. When I was younger I had all of those problems at one point or another. The basic solution to the first one is to befriend the "players and dickheads". It's amazing how much things can turn in your favor when you are seen as the best option of the group instead of as an outsider or a hater. The basic solution to the second one is not to be a creepy pickup artist douchebag, but just to be a sexual threat. Keep everything the same about yourself e…
/r/seduction18/04/16 03:10 PM
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Less about being "honest and upfront", more about being perceived as a sexual threat -- a man of action. Yes, some women seek out fixer-uppers. It's not that you can't get laid being aloof, it's that it's suboptimal.
/r/seduction18/04/16 03:08 PM
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Regardless of how good he is at expressing himself, OP is right. Acting aloof is a suboptimal strategy. Fortune favors the bold.
/r/seduction18/04/16 03:07 PM
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"Straw man" - term used by guys on the Internet who disagree with what you say but can't formulate an argument themselves.
/r/seduction18/04/16 03:06 PM
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I know her friends are shit talking me because of previous bad blood events.... You mention this as an aside, but this could very well be the most important reason that things aren't going well. Like Robert Greene says, reputation is everything. When I was in college, I wasted so much time on women who were either too worried about being viewed as a slut or just didn't see me as a viable sexual threat. Things got so much easier when I broke out of social circles that were just bad settings.
/r/seduction18/04/16 03:03 PM
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Yeah, a complete stranger sneaking up on someone and touching them can be quite alarming for women.
/r/seduction17/04/16 05:13 PM
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Then why has the pick up community made me entitled to do so? Honestly? Because a lot of guys on here who claim to have a thousand lays are really just virgins who fantasize about all this stuff and don't really try it out. Maintain a healthy level of skepticism and you will be good. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. Seriously, just don't. The real world is the only thing that really matters.
/r/seduction17/04/16 07:43 AM
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Yup. Don't grab a woman's shoulders from behind. It's very threatening.
/r/seduction17/04/16 07:41 AM
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Words of advice: don't change how much you invest or how fast you invest....that's too difficult. Swift emotional connections are a gift -- not a curse. If she's not down, then forget about it. Her loss. Just learn to make connections with more than one woman at once and also learn to switch faster (in other words, if one girl doesn't work out move onto the next). The main reason guys like you and me get hurt is because we confuse love with emotional investment. Honest to God, it takes me like 1…
/r/seduction17/04/16 07:38 AM
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You: Hey Her: Ummm, hey [giggle] You: What's going on tonight? Her: Nothing much. You know. You: Yeah, I know. Nothing much is no fun. Maybe I can fix that for you. Her: How are you going to do that? You: Well, I'm something. Her: Oh are you now? To me, this is the ideal tone. There is clear intent but little to no pressure on her. She is free to do and say what she wants without feeling guilty. See, when you wear your heart on your sleeve from the first second, you really put a lot of pressure …
/r/seduction17/04/16 07:20 AM
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You definitely need to tread carefully. Man, when I was 18-19, I literally knew nothing about the social rules of life. I wouldn't trust 19 year old me to do it right. Be cool, fun, flirty all that. Don't ever pressure these women to sleep with you. But don't be too friendly either. You don't want to cross that line into the friend zone. Eventually, you'll find yourself in a situation where you can make a move. I think the rule is that you can hook up casually with them, but if you want a girlfr…
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:39 PM
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I actually still interpret this as me being confident No, it's definitely not that. The biggest problem here is that you are being presumptuous/pushy. Most women want to have control over their own lives. Now yeah, you're going to run into some women (usually less attractive ones) who love guys to dominate and control them, but it's mainly because they see this kind of thing happening to other women and they get insecure that it never happens to them.
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:34 PM
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It's not that it never works. It's just that being a little more indirect works more often. Puts less pressure on her. You want to give her at least a few minutes to see if she likes what you're all about. When you give her an obvious, "I'm into you and I want to see if you're into me" line, she feels pressured to like you back, and a lot of times that alone is enough to turn her off. It's possible to be too indirect as well. You want to be somewhere in the middle. Let her wonder why you came ov…
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:30 PM
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What's the question?
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:27 PM
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They're all married with kids. LOL
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:25 PM
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Yeah. It's huge. Women get this look of relief on their face when you touch them and they feel comfortable and not molested. It's all about practice makes perfect. There is no book that will teach you how to touch women in a way that makes them feel safe and comfortable.
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:23 PM
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First off, very little of what's talked about on Seddit is true seduction. It's more just dating advice, self-improvement, pickup strategies. Seduction is making someone fall in love with you. I think what really attracted me to seduction is that, at my core, I am kind of obsessed with love and being in love and having women be in love with me. Throughout the entirety of my teenage years, I felt like I was being encouraged to hide that part of me -- to pretend it doesn't exist. When I learned th…
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:19 PM
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Yes! Even if you aren't into the women in the class, learning partner dancing is just a great way to improve how you touch/handle women. You can go through the full learning experience and screw up multiple times without having so much riding on it. Funniest moment I can remember was learning closed position. As a guy, I thought it would be inappropriate to just place my hand right on top of a woman's bra clasp because -- well, it's a bra. The teacher grabbed my hand and placed it vertically rig…
/r/seduction16/04/16 07:14 PM
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Ummmm...care to elaborate? LOL
/r/seduction15/04/16 05:52 PM
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I used to have the same problem. I would like to say that I got over it by "just believing in myself" or "being confident" or some bullshit like that. But honestly, all I did was just get better at flirting -- like to the point where I full on believed that anyone who overheard me would be like, "dude, that guy has game." One time that sticks out in my mind was when I was at a conference and saw a girl who was just so drop-dead gorgeous she looked photoshopped. She was surrounded by at least 20 …
/r/seduction15/04/16 02:44 PM
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Of course it stands for Hot Babe. That's all I wanted to hear. Go ahead and misinterpret it as you like. I think the word "hot" means more or less universally the same thing to every guy. Except you, maybe....and Mystery (?)
/r/seduction15/04/16 05:18 AM
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Remind me, what does HB stand for?
/r/seduction15/04/16 05:11 AM
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All I'm saying is that Mystery wasn't the first guy to rate women on a scale of 1 to 10. Women were probably rated that way since Roman times.... ("Dude, look at her, she's a total X, no doubt about it.") When it comes to picking up women, there isn't a social hierarchy, there are just different subcultures. An investment banker is going to have a tougher time picking up a leather-clad biker chick than a model, and a biker dude is going to have a tougher time picking up a model than a biker chic…
/r/seduction15/04/16 05:03 AM
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Still, that's not what you said initially. And the 10 point scale was certainly not invented by Mystery. LOL Mystery is a magician. He probably sees Andrea Merkel and QE2 as unapproachable because he can't approach them, but they are not HB10s by any stretch of the imagination.
/r/seduction15/04/16 03:47 AM
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I liked this title and expected a lot more. Sorry, but after reading your Seinfeldian criticism of insignificant aspects of women's appearance, I felt a little let down. I don't know if you've ever seen Shallow Hal, but there is actually a good lesson in there that sometimes people use the excuse that this or that tiny thing is wrong with that woman as a defense mechanism....like if I reject her then I feel better than her, and also she can't reject me and make me confront my own issues. So yeah…
/r/seduction15/04/16 01:45 AM
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Ummmm....so if a woman is butt ugly but thinks she's the shit, she's an HB10? I really don't think that is correct. No, the HB scale is like an average score of what everyone in the world would give her on a hotness scale. You could easily be more attracted to an HB9 than an HB10, but the HB10 would win in a beauty contest against the HB9. It's the way the world perceives her. The way she perceives herself is totally irrelevant. Most women perceive themselves the same way -- I'm me and there's n…
/r/seduction15/04/16 01:35 AM
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At least the shoes are real.
/r/seduction14/04/16 03:29 PM
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Daydreams don't have to be unrealistic. I attribute most of my success in verbal game to being able to run fairly accurate scenarios through in my head before they actually happen. It may seem strange to think this way, but there are a pretty limited number of things that an actual woman will say during a conversation. A vivid imagination can make you more prepared than any other guy in the venue.
/r/seduction14/04/16 03:05 PM
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Ummm....it's an ex. Maybe she's just over him and moving on.
/r/seduction14/04/16 03:03 PM
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Neediness is the most important concept when it comes to women. The maximum amount of neediness you can have to truly succeed is zero. The problem with neediness is that it is very difficult to define. You need to just get to the point where "you know it when you see it." This is the main reason I think the most useful thing to do on this sub is to post actual text convos or actual words said instead of trying to give the gist of something. When needy guys summarize, often they leave out the mos…
/r/seduction14/04/16 03:01 PM
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There is really no "how", there is just "do". You need to get in the zone, same as if you were playing a sport. You don't think about the velocity of the ball or the trajectory, you just do. You turn your frontal lobe off and let everything happen. If you are analyzing stuff in the game, it's just a bad habit that needs to be broken. Don't wonder about how, just do it.
/r/seduction14/04/16 02:58 PM
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Read The Art of Seduction. Honestly, this sub doesn't teach you how to truly seduce. If you want to bring women to the point where they think your bald head and asymmetrical face are beautiful and everyone else is ugly, read The Art of Seduction. Bottom line (and Greene says this many times) seduction cannot happen fast. It happens over a length of time -- weeks, months, years.... This forum is mostly for picking up women, which just may not be in the cards for you. I'm a pretty good-looking guy…
/r/seduction14/04/16 02:52 PM
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I was using OPs revised numbering.
/r/seduction13/04/16 02:52 PM
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LOL, okay, got it. You just want them to be explained. This lighting looks so good on me because I am so handsome. Yes, just a pop culture reference to try and get girls talking. The View is a television show where old women drink coffee and argue about stuff. Sexual thoughts. The Republican Party, one of the two major political parties on the U.S., the other being the Democrats.
/r/seduction13/04/16 05:33 AM
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"Let me know if you're free this weekend." Nah, better to let her simmer for a bit. Given your previous conversation, this feels a little bit needy. I wish there were an easy way to define needy, but there isn't really. I guess it kind of sounds like you had a great closing statement and then you tried to restart things. Would have been better to say something like, "cool, I'll see you around. ;)" Something like that.
/r/seduction13/04/16 05:27 AM
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I can think of so many times in my life where I didn't need to do anything special besides just make a bold move. A lot of times, women are just waiting for you to make the move so that they can give in to your masculinity. Just go for it. If it backfires, reverse course and shrug it off. No big deal.
/r/seduction13/04/16 05:23 AM
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Generally yes, it is harder, but there are no hard and fast rules. If you seduce well, it shouldn't make a big difference unless she is super worried about people not burning down her place.
/r/seduction13/04/16 05:20 AM
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Vanity is a huge turn-off for many women. Sleazy. Will only work if she's already into you, and may not even work then. This may have worked in 1997. Old ladies arguing is generally not a subject that turns women on. This is the only decent line, but you need to build rapport first. Politics? Really? Sleazy, and besides that it just sounds like a pickup line that your friends dared you to use. None of this qualifies as banter IMO.
/r/seduction13/04/16 05:18 AM
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One of the most surprising things I learned about hooking up is just going to where all the hot single women are. If you're running into a bunch of women you aren't attracted to, then you need to go to a place with hotter women. If none of the women are single, then you need to go to a place where single women go. Women are very people oriented. They organize themselves into groups. It's a feast or famine type game. When you find the right spot, it will be so obvious. And then you can just go wi…
/r/seduction13/04/16 01:13 AM
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Friend zone. Not emotional attachment.
/r/seduction13/04/16 01:06 AM
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Thursday night is college night generally. Go to bars with a lot of students that aren't actually on campus.
/r/seduction13/04/16 01:05 AM
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Depends on what she says. What's the situation?
/r/seduction13/04/16 01:01 AM
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Ummmm....I pretty much disagree with the first sentence. For me, seduction was all about pleasure and validation.
/r/seduction12/04/16 08:46 PM
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Those aren't compliments so much as pet names. The biggest problem with pet names is that it will remind women of getting cat-called on the street. "Hey cutie, where you headed? Mind if I come along?" "Hey beautiful, why don't you shake that ass for me. Yeah, that's what I like." You want to be the opposite of those guys. Tell her something she's never heard before. Get her frontal lobe working. Be mysterious. Be complex. Be insightful. While it isn't necessarily vulgar to call her beautiful, it…
/r/seduction12/04/16 08:45 PM
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It's whatever works for you, but yeah, I tend to err on the side of very cool and laid back over text. It just translates better in writing.
/r/seduction08/04/16 08:29 PM
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just say you'll be there Friday at 10 or whatever. Seriously? Just assume she's available? I don't know about that. Maybe OP is coming off too business-like. My go-to line is to half-jokingly say, "how about now?" or "It'll take me about 15 minutes to get there"....something like that. Create urgency, show no fear, generate excitement and intrigue.
/r/seduction08/04/16 02:35 PM
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Nothing jumps out at me. Keep looking, you'll find what you're doing wrong. You don't sound unrealistic in your expectations.
/r/seduction08/04/16 02:33 PM
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My parents are actually quite civil to each other now, but for every year that I was in their house, it was a far from harmonious relationship. Besides that, I was one of those kids who was never hugged as a child. Between 16 and 18, I was more or less permanently grounded -- not allowed to go anywhere or do anything. So did I have some seemingly impossible to overcome weaknesses going into the game? Hell yes. But one thing I noticed about guys who come from comfortable families is that they sim…
/r/seduction08/04/16 02:31 PM
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Conversation is a type of communion. You don't want to be the guy who endlessly jabbers about himself and what he wants to talk about. You want to involve, engage and enthrall her.
/r/seduction08/04/16 05:24 AM
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Yes, I have it. It's genetic. A lot of people in my family have it. What do you want to know specifically?
/r/seduction08/04/16 05:23 AM
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I don't agree that girls who give you approach invitations are more desperate. Exactly. Girls who give approach invitations are usually the type who have been through the process a few times. If anything, I would say that an approach invitation is something you would get from a girl who is sexually available, but far from desperate. In terms of whether it's "seduction" or not, this is semantics. I completely disagree with this. There are 7 billion people alive today. Merely putting your penis in…
/r/seduction08/04/16 05:16 AM
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In this way the noob can get a win if he keeps approaching. Relying on the numbers game/cold approach or whatever is like going to the driving range and only hitting shots with your 8 iron. You will get awesome at hitting that 8 iron, but you can't use any of your other clubs, and you can't putt or chip or pitch or do any of the other things that will make you a great golfer. No matter how good you get with that 8 iron, you will only be able to make a great shot on a 135-yard Par 3, and even the…
/r/seduction08/04/16 05:10 AM
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Look, I'm just seeing this story from her perspective. Yeah u guys are mutually into each other, but you do nothing. Then she makes a move and you aren't into it. To me, your story is more of a cautionary tale for men on what not to do than it is advice for women. After you rejected her advances, I seriously doubt that she wanted anything to do with you. And I speak from experience there. I've definitely rejected girls who were into me and watched their attraction go from 100 to nil forever. Cal…
/r/seduction08/04/16 03:25 AM
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I mean, I get what you are trying to say, but I'm pretty sure that lions do dream of hunting.
/r/seduction07/04/16 03:25 PM
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Well, you never made a move on her, so what do you expect? She's a sexual being; she's not going to wait for the planets to align.
/r/seduction07/04/16 03:23 PM
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I prefer to do the approaching. A woman's job is to shamelessly flirt with me and kind of give in to the moment. The mistake I see most often with women is thinking too much and/or being too hard to get. A little playful coyness is okay, but when it starts to feel like rejection, that's when I bail.
/r/seduction07/04/16 03:21 PM
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I definitely agree that approaching too many women is bad. IANUAPUA_Yet makes some good counter-arguments to Casanova's points, but I think the main problem with the numbers game is that you are still mediocre at getting laid, you still aren't performing seduction, you are just making an end-run around your lack of skills. When you play the numbers game, you are kind of giving up on seduction. The women who sleep with you will be the ones who are temporarily feeling a little desperate. Once that…
/r/seduction07/04/16 03:18 PM
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Despite all of men's efforts to convince themselves otherwise, the basic animal model of males tries to impress female and female says yes or no still holds true for humans. Simply put, there is no formula for what attracts women. You like the look of a person, he is talented/has a good job, is polite, then what's the need for courting? You just described a whole bunch of different men. Women want a guy who they believe is rare or one-of-a-kind. You also need to consider that women are vulnerabl…
/r/seduction07/04/16 01:45 AM
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Just to clarify, one-itis is a term used for girls that you have not yet slept with. A relationship is not one-itis. Do you want to sleep with other girls? If so, then do it. If not, then don't.
/r/seduction07/04/16 01:36 AM
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Desperate women, maybe....not top of the line ones. The men who are best with women are ones who had strained relationships with their mothers. Same as the most seductive women are the ones who had strained relationships with their fathers. The biggest problem that narcissists have is that they are devoid of humility which is an essential quality to get good at anything, and seduction falls within the anything category. Narcissists think they are awesome at everything, but they are rarely better…
/r/seduction06/04/16 03:22 PM
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10s are different and special, but at this point my game is tuned to 10s. When I see a 10, I get excited. I'm not thinking "oh shit...oh shit...", I'm thinking, "finally, a decent looking chick!" At that point I do what I would do with any woman. I launch into Sherlock Holmes mode. Try to notice things about her like her mannerisms, hair, smile, clothing, voice, vibe, attitude....basically kind of get a solid impression of what she is all about. That makes the conversation more personal and go s…
/r/seduction06/04/16 03:13 PM
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If we're just talking about general self improvement: Your Erroneous Zones by Wayne Dyer.
/r/seduction05/04/16 05:07 PM
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This is interesting. I will say that when I first started trying to seduce, there was some cognitive dissonance. But after a while, it all just started to make sense. The difference maker is that all-attraction-killing monster that we have all felt: neediness. I often say that you don't need to be confident, you don't need to be alpha, you don't need to be cool, etc. The one exception to that is neediness. You can be needy, but you cannot show that you are needy. You need to hide your neediness …
/r/seduction05/04/16 05:05 PM
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[deleted] I didn't notice that you had the texts saved. Hell, I didn't even know that this was a text conversation and not an IRL conversation. Seeing the whole thing play out, I would say that you are focusing way too much on yourself and not enough on her. It isn't just when you launch into "I'm so complex"....it just seems like you are putting on a show for her and you want her to laugh so you can feel better. When you make a joke, it should be for her amusement, not yours. If you want to amu…
/r/seduction05/04/16 04:49 PM
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Having said that, in my experience, people who are really into music get really judgemental about others' music preferences, especially if they can tell the other person really isn't into music as much as they are. One of the hard and fast rules of dating is to never be judgmental. Trust me, judgmental people can be judgmental about anything -- not just music.
/r/seduction05/04/16 02:25 PM
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Excellent evaluation, Hamfraigaar.
/r/seduction05/04/16 02:22 PM
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Women seem so much more materialistic, it seems they worry about clothes and Kendra Scot jewelry.... Maybe. I think materialism is a separate thing that manifests itself in both men and women. Materialism can be crudely described as buying expensive stuff because it's expensive. There are social implications (people will be jealous of me if I have this) and function implications (if I want a car that goes 250 mph, I have to spend the big bucks), but I think materialism is a beast all its own. An…
/r/seduction05/04/16 07:41 AM
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You know, I've never met anyone who had my exact situation either. Stop searching for excuses to fail. Search instead for methods that you can use to succeed.
/r/seduction05/04/16 07:33 AM
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Yeah, my anxiety is physiological as well. I can try to fool my brain, but my brain isn't fooled easily.
/r/seduction04/04/16 07:36 PM
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You sound like a great candidate for the simplest seduction advice on the planet: be bolder! My guess is that even though you are confident in yourself, you are just giving off a vanilla vibe when you want to give off more of an orange rose cardamom or maybe chocolate toffee swirl vibe.
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:36 PM
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I had my first real connection with a girl then after 3 months..... After 3 months? Sounds like you had your first one-itis/friend zone situation. A real connection involves romantic feelings IMO. Don't worry; it has happened to all of us. I've learned a lot from that experience. What have you learned? Seems like that would be the most important thing to write here. I haven't had sex because it would have just felt like using someone to masturbate. If you were 30, this would be normal, but for a…
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:32 PM
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I think calling it "approach anxiety" makes it seem like it only happens on approaches. My anxiety permeated every aspect of my dating life. I actually had a lot less anxiety approaching than I did when she said "yes" and we were out on a date. I've heard of guys throwing up when they asked women out, so if we're calling that a 10, my anxiety was probably at a 7. At this point in my life, it's probably down to a 2 or a 3. I think that's about as low as I can get it. It definitely isn't a critica…
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:26 PM
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Yeah, well, hot girls aren't aggressive like that because they really don't need to be. It's always the uggs who are dragging guys onto the dance floor. Reality of life. I think you should dance with her and be the cool, fun guy. Women hate being rejected/embarrassed, so being seen as the fun open-minded guy will go a long way with the women you actually want to bang.
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:23 PM
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Wow, a lot of threads about asking women what they think. While I've learned a lot about women from women, I think the general idea of taking seduction advice from women is not a good strategy. If only it were that easy. My first comment in this thread and all the ones like it is that there is no such thing as "alpha" for humans, and if you are obsessed with being alpha that is a sign of some very deep insecurities. For example: What would you say makes me seem "alpha"? You may not see the effec…
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:18 PM
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You have no right to talk about your success because it wouldn't exist if you didn't have outstanding ingredients to begin with. There is no way to know that. I tend not to bother myself with questions that cannot be answered. All I can know is my reality, and I accept that. You should accept your reality as well.
/r/seduction04/04/16 04:10 AM
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All of the girls that I've dated or had a fling with said those things to me. Yeah, all the girls I've fucked have said similar things. But I know better. It's not confidence that allowed me to succeed with them, it's seduction. I've always been confident, but it took years to consistently succeed with the hottest of the hottest women.
/r/seduction04/04/16 03:10 AM
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What you described to me sounds like every cool guy I know who basically just isn't good with women. The whole point of seduction is to not be one of those guys who gets laid infrequently and by sheer luck. It's to be able to have more influence over your destiny. Removing the need for validation simply does nothing to meet that end. In a lot of ways, removing the need for validation is giving up. At least that's the way I see it. Instead of getting the women you want, you just say to yourself, …
/r/seduction04/04/16 02:36 AM
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Confidence is the effect, not the cause. You aren't wrong, you're just thinking of it backwards. Hindsight is 20/20. People are here because they want that validation from women. If you remove that need for validation, they won't get laid -- they just won't be here looking for an answer.
/r/seduction04/04/16 02:18 AM
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So no words? I understand what you're asking, and I am telling you that it has no bearing on whether she is into you or not. You should be studying the interaction between you. That is all that matters.
/r/seduction04/04/16 02:10 AM
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it will have stellar advice but horrible examples. I personally think that advice should be judged by the examples. You can only express so much in concept. The practical applications are what matters. I've read you have to put yourself out there to actually build attraction Well, that's partly true. Some guys never really "put themselves out there". I think the real secret is to be bold. It's the simplest and most universally effective seductive technique out there. It doesn't necessarily requi…
/r/seduction04/04/16 02:08 AM
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Well, it's the first time you've ever hung out with a girl, so I can see why it didn't go well. Just do it again and do it better. If you come up with specific sticking points, then maybe we can offer more specific help.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:52 AM
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I agree. It just puts the pressure on her -- which is kind of the opposite of what you want to do.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:51 AM
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I mean, no one really knows what happened (maybe not even her)...definitely not me. But trust me, it's better to look at your game critically like a chess player looks at his previous matches. This type of attitude will serve you well in the long run. If you have trouble touching women the right way, taking a dance class like Salsa can help a lot.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:50 AM
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I mean, I don't know your exact situation, but I can definitely say that jealousy is a game-killer. Don't get jealous. There are certain aspects of your reality that you will just have to accept. Anything that you can change to work in your favor, do it.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:48 AM
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Is she interested? Why should she be? What did you do to make her interested in you?
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:45 AM
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Where I think I went wrong was stating my intentions too clearly. Good thinking. Plausible deniability is extremely important. Imagine the alternative scenario: she says "sure", and then what? You take an awkward taxi ride back to your place and try to solve logistical issues all while she is thinking of a way to change her mind? I think you are better off that she said "no" than if she said "yes", because you weren't going to get laid anyway, and it would have been torturous for her to try and …
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:43 AM
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When I was younger, I got hit on by a lot of gay guys. Obviously it's a bit freaky the first few times, but it's not a bad thing. It basically just means you are good-looking. My guess is that you are just young. Age 16-22 is kind of when gay guys are checking to see if you are interested in experimenting.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:38 AM
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I say no. There's like a 1% chance she would have said anything helpful. Besides that, it's very important that you have the presence of mind to go back over your interaction with her and determine if and when she started losing interest. Since you can't ask for progress reports along the way, you eventually need to be able to self-evaluate.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:34 AM
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Every guy is different. For me, success with women formed a great deal of my self-worth. I basically needed to succeed if I ever wanted to feel good about myself. I'm not afraid to admit it. Fortunately everything worked out, but it was not easy. To this day, I am amazed at how difficult it was to go from being the guy with no game to the guy who other guys are jealous of. It was harder than hell, but worth it. I mean, there really wasn't any other option. I wasn't about to live a whole life of …
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:32 AM
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Is there a way to be confident and show her you have worth while also not looking cocky? Yes. The secret is to just forget about trying to be confident. It just doesn't really mean anything. It would be like asking someone for advice, and they say, "just be better with women." True, but just not useful. Cocky guys are losers. They are cocky because they don't believe in themselves and they go way too far trying to cover that up. In fact, true confidence and cockiness are most often mutually excl…
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:30 AM
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Confidence is everything. Thanks Grandpa. Unfortunately, this advice has probably been given for millennia and it doesn't really help anyone. That's why these types of forums exist. Ask any woman what attracts them to guys, and they will say, "confidence." Problem is that it doesn't really work that way. There are millions upon millions of confident guys out there who can't get laid without paying for it. That's the reality.
/r/seduction04/04/16 12:25 AM
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Yeah, don't think of them as intimidating at all. In some ways, they are the least intimidating women you will converse with if you can deal with the pressure. Think of it this way. Beautiful women are say 1 in 1000. So you consider them rare. But they don't consider themselves rare because they are themselves. To themselves, they are normal. Treat them normal. That's what they want more than anything else.
/r/seduction02/04/16 01:42 AM
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I haven't heard of it, but again, I think any simple "hack" having to do with posture would be an oversimplification. There was predecessor to Feldenkrais called The Alexander Technique which focuses on exercises having to do with the head and neck. It makes a lot of sense because our heads are the most concentrated area of mass on our body and because they are so far from our center of gravity, our heads have the greatest torque on our bodies. But even the Alexander Technique is an oversimplifi…
/r/seduction01/04/16 03:29 PM
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How do you have the ability to go for it with no shame? That I couldn't tell you. Being able to just go for it was something I was born with. Having no shame is also something I was just born with. I can tell you from a lifetime of having no shame that it's not without its disadvantages. A lot of people will dislike you for it. But the secret is that not all people will. The way I deal with people who think they are better than me is just to be positive and be honest. "Hey, you know ________ has…
/r/seduction01/04/16 02:37 PM
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The first time I got involved in a conversation with a super ultra hot female, I was 18 years old and had just graduated. She was a year younger and still went to the same school I just graduated from. At the time, I just couldn't believe that a woman like that would want a guy like me. I knew what my ex looked like, and I knew what she looked like, and I just thought to myself, "no way, not possible. I don't know why she's talking to me over here away from everyone else all alone and acting lik…
/r/seduction01/04/16 05:30 AM
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Get a Roomba and change your sheets.
/r/seduction01/04/16 05:16 AM
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For whatever reason, when that feel good phase starts to fizzle out, I start falling back into a weak, negative and bitchy mental state. That's reality setting in. Change your reality and you will change your attitude. It's as simple as that. You can waste your entire life trying to be confident without the success to back it up, or you can just go for it and get that success and then you won't even need to think about being confident because it will just happen. Your choice.
/r/seduction01/04/16 05:14 AM
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Yeah, being tall sucks for posture, especially if you drive and sit a lot. Nothing is built for you. The only tall guys who have great posture are the really athletic ones. Being in impeccable shape is a must. (6'4")
/r/seduction01/04/16 05:10 AM
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Yeah, not sure why I have different experiences than a lot of guys. I don't see it as a bad thing. Women I'm not interested know I'm not interested, sometimes they're down for a little fling, and then they go away. At the same time, when I'm really into a woman, she generally responds positively. I've never needed to add "breaking rapport" into my repertoire to maintain or increase a woman's interest. Charm alone works wonders for me. And I do tease every so often, but I make it very clear that …
/r/seduction31/03/16 11:00 PM
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I get that, but I think the idea of push-pull is more useful. Truth be told, a lot of women (a lot) simply aren't hot enough for me. I break rapport all the time, and they do not react positively at all. It's because I am consistent in my actions. There is clarity there -- nothing to question. Creating the roller coaster of emotions with push-pull (kind of like kicking back and forth on the swings to get the motion started) is true seduction. That is the "manipulative" part (although I always th…
/r/seduction31/03/16 08:03 PM
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There is a chapter in Your Erroneous Zones about worry and guilt. Read it! Better yet, read it ten times! One of the reasons guys date multiple women is to achieve the feeling of abundance that has escaped them their whole lives. I think one of the reason that most women don't do that is because they have always had abundance. I would say that unless you are just a total nympho who needs lots of dicks in her life, you shouldn't feel bad about just focusing on one guy and getting him to commit. T…
/r/seduction31/03/16 06:18 PM
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It's not complicated. Just go for it. If you are too aggressive you can always take it back a little, but you can't apologize for being passive. That will just make you come off as even more passive than she originally thought.
/r/seduction31/03/16 06:13 PM
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keep focusing on standing up straight.... Except that the spine is not supposed to be straight -- it is supposed to be curved. Ideal posture looks like the left-most image in this chart: http://www.richmondphysio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/posture-problems1.jpg Unfortunately trying to "stand up straight" often yields #3, which is not ideal. Sadly, there is no way to think your way to good posture. It's achieved through targeted exercises like Feldenkrais, Yoga, Pilates, etc. and elimination of ten…
/r/seduction31/03/16 06:10 PM
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I wouldn't do that if I were you. Just chalk it up as a loss and try again. After a few months, maybe you will get an opportunity to restart the interaction. I wouldn't do it before then though. You want to avoid situations where you are a tool of validation and gravitate towards situations where you are a tool of sexual satisfaction.
/r/seduction31/03/16 06:05 PM
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You are going to a party with a bunch of models and you are worried about whether or not this one girl wants you? What are describing is literally one-itis. Your best shot at any party you go to with a woman is to use her as a pivot for other women. She has developed an impression of you. There is a certain amount of compatibility that you guys have...sure....but what's to say you can't find a girl you are even more into who is even more into you? There might be someone at that party that you ha…
/r/seduction31/03/16 05:52 PM
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Did I lose the chance? Probably. By and large, you only get one shot to make your move. Over at your place alone + pizza + wine. She hints that you aren't being aggressive enough when she says "I didn't even know you were touching me." In her mind, you are either not that attracted to her or you are just too scared to make a move. Neither of those is a good thing. It's really tough to come back from those early impressions. Be bolder and this type of thing will not happen.
/r/seduction31/03/16 05:47 PM
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As many PUAs know, breaking rapport is vital in catching the attention of the opposite sex. I don't know about vital. Breaking rapport is one of those things that I don't think anyone should try to do on purpose. You don't need to break rapport to get laid. The more you get laid, the less needy you will become. The less needy you are, the pickier you will be about delivering positive reactions to things girls say. I am picky. I probably break rapport more often than not with women, but it defini…
/r/seduction31/03/16 05:43 PM
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So Friday I'm hanging out with a girl I like a lot. That is the last I heard about this girl. The rest of your post is about you. See where I'm going with this? Whatever girl you are talking about, have sex with her and then you will get more confident.
/r/seduction31/03/16 05:38 PM
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It's pretty consistent with what I've been saying all along about most hot women. They really aren't insecure. They might say things like, "I hate my lips" or "I wish my boobs were bigger", but the principal motivation behind that is humility. They don't really hate themselves. They know how hot they are. All women know on an unconscious level how hot they are and all the advantages that entails in life. They may not feel good about it all the time, but they know. All in all, they lead fairly ch…
/r/seduction31/03/16 04:18 PM
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I always go for the highest return situation. Starting right off into direct just doesn't yield the same results. It works in certain situations (lead singer of a rock band with a groupie for instance), but it's not really seduction. Essentially, direct openers are great when the woman is already sold on you from the get-go. Like if you just get off stage after playing a set and a hottie walks up to you and gives an extremely flirtatious and sexual look, playing with her hair, and says, "hey, ni…
/r/seduction31/03/16 12:16 AM
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Your brain can only process so much information. If you focus on yourself then your brain is processing information that is relatively useless when it comes to seduction (how nervous you feel, whether she is thinking positive or negative things about you right now, why you can't think of anything to say) and missing information that is very useful when it comes to seduction (what do you find most attractive about her, what do her clothes say about her, given what she has talked about so far what…
/r/seduction31/03/16 12:09 AM
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Indirect is always better. If you want to go direct, make sure it's something that she's never heard before. Saying "wow, I had to go up to you because you are too gorgeous" is just a basic attractiveness compliment that she has heard a million times before. It's a bad first impression, and first impressions are everything. Compare these two scenarios: "Hey" "Hey" "How's your night going?" "Not bad." "I hope you don't mind, but I just had to come talk to you because I think you are stunning." "T…
/r/seduction30/03/16 09:05 PM
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Yes. As long as everything is going smoothly, most women will just stick with one guy and not even consider other guys. One thing that can make that not go smoothly is getting all insecure about other guys being better than you.
/r/seduction30/03/16 08:56 PM
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You don't. You just assume it's casual unless something happens that makes you think she wants it to be serious. If you have the "let's keep it casual" conversation early in the process, she will just take that as "I'm not very attracted to you". It's a terrible idea to bring her head down out of the clouds before you've even gotten laid.
/r/seduction30/03/16 08:51 PM
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It's only one-itis if you haven't slept with her yet. One-itis is like when a guy is at a club and he just keeps following one girl around all night and doesn't even consider his other options. One-itis should not be used as a euphemism for falling in love.
/r/seduction30/03/16 08:48 PM
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I don't know why he deleted it. It was pretty hot. He went to bed and some girl in a thong jumped into bed next to him and started watching porn. I'm just saying that's a pretty strong move on her part. What guy would turn that down?
/r/seduction30/03/16 04:42 AM
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Confident people don't think about what kind of eye contact they are giving, they just do what comes naturally. This is why I think little rules like "don't break eye contact when she looks at you" are helpful. Guys who aren't getting laid are not confident and shouldn't try to be confident. They should overcome their fears and try to break bad habits. Looking down when a woman makes eye contact with you is one of those bad habits.
/r/seduction29/03/16 09:05 PM
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The point is that I just hurt someone terribly, and I should feel a LOT worse about it. I'm genuinely concerned that seduction, game, whatever has turned me into an unfeeling piece of shit who lost his ability to feel empathy. I doubt that, and I think you are exaggerating a little bit. For example: It kills me to know how bad she is hurting right now. If this is an honest statement, then you definitely aren't a sociopath. You just don't connect with women. I don't understand that on a personal …
/r/seduction29/03/16 08:56 PM
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I thought most people were like this. Your eyes aren't just used to see, they are also tools of expression and non-verbal communication. That is why humans evolved to have smaller irises than apes. It makes communication with the movements of the eyes easier to read for another human. We didn't always communicate with complex verbal languages.
/r/seduction29/03/16 08:37 PM
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Except that there is definitely such thing as a "creepy" smile. Ask any woman. The best way to describe it is that good eye contact is "soft". If it's too intense and nervous, it comes off as creepy.
/r/seduction29/03/16 08:33 PM
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This was my MO when I got out of my second relationship. The only thing that helped was just to stop thinking about myself and start focusing on her. Try it. You can't doubt yourself if you aren't thinking about yourself. Focus on her and your brain will lose the ability to psych itself out.
/r/seduction29/03/16 05:11 PM
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Some women are just frightened little bunnies, and they aren't going to look you in the eyes. It isn't necessarily negative. The main thing about eye contact is don't get scared and look away or look down when you make eye contact with her. Obviously don't stare like a psycho either. Other than that, you really shouldn't be thinking about eye contact, you should be thinking about being seductive.
/r/seduction29/03/16 05:10 PM
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Should I....give an ultimatum? NO!!!!! Never give an ultimatum. That is so desperate and the exact opposite of what women want to see from you. Be the opposite of the guy who gives ultimatums. You are cool if she gets back with her ex, and you are cool if she comes over and hooks up with you. Just don't get into a relationship with this girl ever! The type of behavior you describe is somewhat rare in women, but you can rest assured that no matter what guy she is with, one will never be enough.
/r/seduction29/03/16 05:06 PM
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Both men and women put each other in the friend zone. Women are just really perceptive about human relationships. They tend to get what you are doing as you are doing it, whereas guys are more accomplishment-oriented and prideful. Their egos get in the way of them accepting that they have been put in the friend zone, and they make a constant effort to change their fate. Honestly this has never happened to me. Once the friendship is clearly established, both parties at some point lose that kind o…
/r/seduction29/03/16 05:03 PM
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Whether you are asking questions or making statements, I think the most important thing is that you aren't focusing on yourself. Focus on her. That said, I am more inclined to trust the advice of Dale Carnegie than Mark Manson when it comes to making good conversation. Some guys just fall into the pattern of asking really boring questions. Also bear in mind that if you don't have a seductive presence and you haven't made a good first impression or if she just isn't into you, it doesn't matter wh…
/r/seduction29/03/16 04:52 PM
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I should mention that it's highly unlikely you will be able to string together a few words that she's literally never heard before. It's more the combination of your words and actions -- the overall impression that you give her should be poignant and unique. In a situation with a bartender, waitress, cash register girl, basically hired guns, you don't have a lot of time. You need to make a quick impression so that you can get a read. Do something that will have the effect that she is either goin…
/r/seduction28/03/16 08:49 PM
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Some men do it too. I'm not denying that. To me it has less to do with actual psychological differences between men and women and more to do with life experience. Between the ages of 15 and ~21, most men spend years wanting and needing a great deal of sexual validation but not receiving it. They go through an unbearably long period of sexual rejection. Women experience the opposite. Between 15 and ~21, women get more sexual attention and validation than they know what to do with. This life exper…
/r/seduction28/03/16 08:11 PM
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Ever pushed buying temperature way too high and just burned a girl out? Well, I've definitely left girls high and dry -- which is a terrible thing to do, both in the moment and for your reputation. You want to be seen as a man who closes the deal. But where I think the Goldilocks idea really comes into play is when you have a guy who is really physically attractive and has a lot of stuff going for him, but just doesn't have game. So you would think that he can just lower his standards, but his S…
/r/seduction28/03/16 08:05 PM
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The original pickup material isn't all ineffective. I just said that "a lot of" it is ineffective. I stand by that. Nothing is misogynistic about calling [what women do] "shit testing"and [what men do] "qualifying".... I beg to differ. I think that there is a vein of misogyny that runs through a lot of the stuff in The Game. Remember that a great deal of PUA was about making money, and there is no better way to make money off of guys who don't get laid by women than to validate their resentment …
/r/seduction28/03/16 07:50 PM
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I agree with you. The fundamental difference is in what constitutes a high value man (money+status/power+looks) and what constitutes a high value woman (looks+sexual availability). So the best response for a woman might be a display of sexual aggressiveness whereas the best response for a man would be a display of power. But the pattern is the same: test for SMV, response that reveals/suggests level of SMV.
/r/seduction28/03/16 07:41 PM
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Glad I could help. Yeah, you need to eradicate that guilt. Guilt can eat away at you and make you unhappy in situations that you should be happy in. There is a certain baseline level of attraction to other women that you won't ever be able to get rid of, no matter how perfect your long-term monogamous relationship is. Just follow these rules and you will be cool: Keep it all to yourself. Don't mention it to your friends/acquaintances and definitely don't mention it to your significant other Don'…
/r/seduction28/03/16 07:36 PM
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If you are thinking of saying something like "you're cute, and I would like to take you out", then you can rest assured that she has heard that a hundred times before. First tip is stop focusing on this cash register girl and start flirting with all cash register girls. Second tip is before you say anything, ask yourself "what are the chances she has heard this before?" If it is likely that she has, think of something else to say. You aren't going to score any points by being typical. Be the guy…
/r/seduction28/03/16 06:28 PM
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Nice play on her part. LOL
/r/seduction28/03/16 06:26 PM
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Man is at a bar. Woman approaches and starts flirting with him. She is moderately attractive, but he's not totally into it. Man accuses her of being too drunk. This is a shit test in every sense of the word. If she takes offense to this question and starts to argue that she isn't drunk, it will just turn him off more. If she responds with something to the effect of "I give better blowjobs when I'm drunk", then that was well-played. The guy will get turned on. I can remember several instances in …
/r/seduction28/03/16 06:11 PM
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I get what you are saying, but I think that those people you are talking about are just really good at expressing their needs in a non-needy way. Say you are a con-man. If you want to reel in a mark, you wouldn't say something like, "I've got this really amazing investment idea. Do you want in?" Seems like you need their help too much. Instead you would say something like, "Oh, you overheard me? Yeah, well it's a good investment but we've got enough interest right now. We don't really need anyon…
/r/seduction28/03/16 06:05 PM
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Men don't shit test women as often as women shit test men because it's so rare that a woman would approach a guy and attempt to get into his pants. But no, I think you are dead wrong. When a man is put into a similar situation that women are, they will exhibit the same behavior that women do -- including shit tests and everything else that goes along with being the hunted rather than the hunter.
/r/seduction28/03/16 06:00 PM
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There is really no such thing as a "nice guy". It's just a nicer way of saying "needy guy". Neediness is attraction poison. There is no level of neediness that will make you more attractive. It's of course different than "having needs". Everyone has needs. There is an unwritten rule that your needs are your problem and everyone else's needs are their problem. It's when you give someone the idea (even the slightest hint of an idea) that your needs are the other person's responsibility that people…
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:54 PM
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Kind of funny when a woman does something it's given a negative name like "shit test" and when a guy does it, it's called "qualifying her". Just another example of the inherent misogyny that makes a lot of the original pickup material ineffective. As I've stated before, men and women test each other all the time, sometimes consciously but most of the time unconsciously. The biggest difference between men and women is that men are always trying to get the highest value woman whereas women will so…
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:49 PM
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Yeah, been through this many times. I like to do a little gut-check every once in a while. There is that initial attraction that you get when you meet girls, and then there is that "must have her" feeling that you only get with ones that are a perfect match for you. So usually what I'll do is try to envision the girl naked in front of me and asking for it. Since I've been with my wife, the result of this thought has always been something like, "nah, I don't really want her. I'm just kind of fasc…
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:45 PM
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You are gonna need validation. Trust me on that. Just accept it and go find that validation. Any guy who says sex is all about physical pleasure and has nothing to do with validation is either lying or just not very introspective. Sex and validation are intrinsically linked and cannot be separated. When you are feeling unwanted, sex is an essential part of the solution. It's not the whole solution, but it is critical.
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:38 PM
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Two hours. We may have each had a drink or two, but heavy drinking was not involved. A more important factor is that even though I don't know how old she was, I imagine she was a bit older than me....maybe late twenties, and I was 22.
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:35 PM
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This is not impossible, but honestly, I think it's a waste of time. You should either be playing the field or turning the seduction/romance up to a 10 so that she never questions your intentions. Women are like cats -- they never forget when they are slighted. They have competitive instincts that will tell them to keep trying and trying until they finally get you to commit, but if you weren't 100% in it from the beginning, she will always question the relationship. It's just a reality of life th…
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:33 PM
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My first girlfriend when I was 16? Honestly, I think she just had a crush on me for a little while. I asked out one of her better looking friends, but we didn't have anything in common, so we mutually decided not to pursue. Then she started flirting with me heavily one day. I remember she was wearing a dress which was uncommon for her, but it was the first time I thought of her sexually. Then we ended up just kind of naturally coming together. As I've said many times, it does not take confidence…
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:28 PM
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I know that I am way out of the norm here, but you know, just being honest. I'm very picky about body type in general, but this is everything. In order of preference: Flat tummy is a must, no exceptions Healthy hair and skin is a must, no exceptions Lean limbs, thigh gap, delicate bone structure, long neck, small wrists (I list these together because they usually go together). This is an either/or with the one below Insane feminine curves, great ratios like arm circumference to breast size, hip …
/r/seduction28/03/16 05:18 PM
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Generalizations are useless. Since practically everything people know is in essence a generalization, this could not be more false. You can't just cherry pick generalizations that you don't agree with and say that generalizations are useless. In your short post, I found these three generalizations: If you've been to places like Ireland or France, you must've experienced that middle-class girls in general live fairy-tale lives, as in being happy and positive. Still, they are positively promiscuou…
/r/seduction22/03/16 02:22 PM
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It's not about attitude. We (SoCal people) are very cool, laid back people. The women here are just more cliquish than in other big cities. Maybe it's because they're not as insecure? Maybe they just are more into marriage and family. Hard to say, but my experience (which spans three continents and ten countries) does not match yours. I'm a strong believer that in American cultures, sex drive and insecurity are intrinsically linked. People in SoCal live pretty good lives. It's a fun-loving posit…
/r/seduction21/03/16 11:36 PM
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I definitely don't need lessons in venue changing or escalation. I have just found LA and SD to be very different from New York and San Francisco in terms of attitudes towards strangers. Like night and day difference. Were the girls you hooked up with also from out of town?
/r/seduction21/03/16 11:12 PM
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I was asking about San Diego and SoCal, not San Jose. I don't know much about San Jose specifically. Say what you want about San Jose being difficult, but my experience with the Bay Area has been that it is much easier because of a liberal attitude towards sex and a lack of religion. I've lived in the Bay Area, and I've lived in SoCal, and I would estimate that it is 100 times easier to get a Bay Area girl into bed. It's so easy that I wasn't calibrated for it. I thought to myself, "what's wrong…
/r/seduction21/03/16 10:55 PM
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pretty successful as in lays? San Jose is not Southern California, but I would still be impressed if you are pulling girls off the street and into bed in San Jose.
/r/seduction21/03/16 09:42 PM
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I think it is pretty well-established that Catholic-heritage cultures such as France, Italy and Spain are good for casual sex. Legacy Protestant cultures such as Holland, Germany and Russia are good for casual sex. The Puritan/Calvinist heritage seems to have a very profound effect on where a man can most effectively pick up women. For example, in France women are likely to keep distance from their friends and acquaintances and go out and find random dudes for sex (field tested). American/Britis…
/r/seduction21/03/16 07:41 PM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/seduction21/03/16 06:35 PM
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Well, don't assume interest if she says "no". That's creepy. But assume interest in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
/r/seduction21/03/16 06:10 PM
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I also live in Southern California. I can't say that I've lived everywhere, but I have lived in a number of places and in the context of those places, Southern California is the most cliquish. By that I mean that people stick to their people for the most part and don't let outsiders into their bubbles unless they are extraordinarily desperate. This is also why Southern California is often described as a "lonely" place. If you don't have a clique or you don't like your clique, it's very hard to j…
/r/seduction21/03/16 06:07 PM
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This is why insta-date is awesome. After class or whatever, you just say "so what are you up to?" If she says, "nothing much, just hanging out" then you say, "wanna grab a cup of coffee?" At that point if she says "no thanks", then you know she isn't interested. As far as the making plans thing goes, if she says she's busy twice in a row, then you should probably just let her make the next move.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:59 PM
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Spot on.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:55 PM
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It's not being dishonest, it's just respecting those around you. I'm no longer a negative person, but I can easily come off as cynical/skeptical because that's just the way I view the world. I need to tone down even that because most people can't handle the appearance of negativity, even if it's not a truly negative view. So yeah, IME it's best to not say anything that can even be construed as negative. That's not being dishonest.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:54 PM
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Friend zone. She wants validation from you and nothing more. Don't give it to her. IME, there is no way to salvage this. Even if she gets insistent that you guys hang out again, she will back off as soon as you make a move. In her head, you are a source of validation -- not sexual satisfaction. There is very little you can do to change that at this point.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:50 PM
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The term I use often is "distant intimacy". You need to be bold and push the envelope -- set yourself apart -- but I don't recommend doing anything like "throwing your arm around her". The most likely result there is that her "stranger danger" alarm bells will start to go off. I would recommend against giving out your name and shaking her hand from the very beginning. First impressions are everything, and you don't want your first impression to be like you are about to sell her something or that…
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:48 PM
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I don't know who Sinn is, but he is a very smart man if he doesn't recommend cold approach street game any more. In the context that most Sedditors live in (American suburbs), cold approach street game just doesn't work. NYC is a notable exception. Everywhere is a great place to game. It's part of the culture there. But so few places in the US are like that. In non-Anglo cultures, cold approach seems to be much more feasible. Maybe because serial killers, stalkers, and rapists are not as much of…
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:43 PM
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It's the same as an extroverted girl except that you need to be able to do most of the talking, and you can't get insecure if you aren't receiving signals of encouragement. You need to take a "no news is good news" approach. With introverted girls, their signals are more muted. You need to kind of assume that she's into you unless she gives you a signal that she isn't.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:36 PM
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If she ignores you approach, you are doing something wrong. At the very least, you should make eye contact before approaching. I would also recommend getting some sort of positive signals from her before approaching.
/r/seduction21/03/16 04:22 PM
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Well, your first line comes off as validation-seeking, and the second one was a bit of a whiff. Instead of But anyways, hope I didn't say anything too dumb last night haha something like So we all know how my night ended. How did you make out? You can solve a lot of texting issues just by not talking about yourself so much.
/r/seduction21/03/16 12:46 AM
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The weakness of your attempts at both insults and arguments is very clear.
/r/seduction18/03/16 09:56 PM
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OMG this is sooooo classic: Don't make straw man arguments.... followed by nature made you autistic, not me Bravo. Most people wait a few posts before they start contradicting themselves, but you did it in one fell swoop. I don't think even cocky/funny can dig you out of this one. LOL.
/r/seduction18/03/16 09:36 PM
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It's a sufficiently hard and fast rule that you shouldn't laugh at your own jokes -- at least not before other people laugh.
/r/seduction18/03/16 09:20 PM
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I think [he] is getting too caught up in the word "cocky". Actually I have a much bigger problem with the word "funny" than the word cocky. The supporters of cocky/"funny" have terrible senses of humor. I doubt I've ever so much as smirked at supposedly cocky/"funny" lines. And no, I'm not cherry picking specific routines, I'm literally referring to everything that has been suggested under the label of cocky/"funny". The only usefulness I can see to cocky/"funny" is that if the girl laughs, she …
/r/seduction18/03/16 09:19 PM
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I like how you start off with "I'm right, you just don't understand the subtleties of my point of view (no further explanation)" and then follow it up with the ever popular "you're just wrong (no explanation)." Obviously I can't respond because there is nothing to respond to.
/r/seduction18/03/16 09:15 PM
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You acknowledge that it only generates results with "certain types of women", so then how would you know whether cocky guys are getting laid despite their cockiness or because of their cockiness? Read field reports. I can't even count the number of times a guy makes an extremely lame cocky/funny move and then says something to the effect of "she really closed off to me at that point, so I backed off a bit and said blah blah I was just kidding, and then she warmed up to me again." Always the same…
/r/seduction18/03/16 06:36 PM
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No it hasn't. It's one of those things that guys think works, but unless your objective is to make a woman think that you are low value (and that may be your objective depending on what you are looking for), it's not a good strategy. We have a great example going on right now in the political race for Republican nomination. We have a candidate who is acting cocky specifically to appeal to the poorest losers of our society. People who accomplish great things are not cocky -- they are humble. Ther…
/r/seduction18/03/16 06:15 PM
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If you're into her, I would do something like, "Happy b-day, sexy mama." If you're doing things right with this girl (building distant intimacy), you should be able to follow it up with something like this: "Remember, you're only as young as you feel." "LOL, yeah right." "No really. I'll cop a feel tomorrow and let you know how young you are."
/r/seduction18/03/16 05:56 PM
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Pretty much. Don't let it bother you. I mean, just mathematically the guys who do really really really well with women are rare. They have to be. And most men are out there doing a lot of things wrong, even if they think they are doing things right because they read it on the Internet. So a downvoted post doesn't necessarily mean it's bad advice -- it could easily be the best advice on here.
/r/seduction18/03/16 05:53 PM
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I've had people pull the cocky "I know" response before, and it's not cute. I don't care if it's a joke. Not cute at all. Men of Seddit take heed. Cocky "Funny" (funny is in quotes for a reason) is one of the longest running misconceptions in the game. First and foremost, it isn't game. Immature guys are naturally arrogant. If anything it makes you seem low value. But more importantly, it just doesn't work. It's a turn-off for most women, and the women it works on are not high value women in the…
/r/seduction18/03/16 05:48 PM
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Deltron has a point. I think one good exercise to not take yourself too seriously is to make a list of all the things you hate and do those things. So like when I was in college I hated bros who wore Abercrombie & Fitch and listened to boy bands to try to get laid. So at one point, I just said "fuck it" and went into A&F and got some clothes and wore them to class. Then there was a dude carrying around a boom box and listening to Justin Timberlake and I stopped and started dancing to it with him…
/r/seduction18/03/16 05:02 PM
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Depends on a lot of different factors. You need to figure out more about the woman in question....figure out what she feels she's lacking in her life -- her desires, wants and needs. I see these techniques saying to escalate slowly....and all that stuff Well, I think it's better to err on the side of too fast and then freeze out if she gets uncomfortable rather than moving too slow and have her think you are afraid of sex. But when I talk to some of my friends they make it seem like they straigh…
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:55 PM
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This.
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:49 PM
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Dude, it's a joke. I get downvoted all the time. No big deal. All you need to do is say stuff like "confidence isn't necessary" or "I've banged a bunch of really hot women" and you will get downvoted like crazy.
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:49 PM
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Your Erroneous Zones. Changed my life.
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:02 PM
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Downvoted this for ya. Take care! ;)
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:01 PM
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Go to the recordings. It's nearly impossible to read and do the exercises. It's okay if you can't fully understand what you are supposed to do. As long as your awareness of your body is increasing, you will see benefits.
/r/seduction18/03/16 04:58 AM
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If you want to get even more meta, women associate men with feelings, and the one that makes her feel the best will be the one she is most attracted to. A lot of women consider high value guys a turn-off. There is no one answer. There are a lot of similarities between men and women when it comes to attraction, but the rule of thumb is that women are attracted to looks/money/power/status and men are attracted to looks/status/sexual availability. A lot of guys would deny that men are attracted to …
/r/seduction17/03/16 11:39 PM
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Has this ever happened to me? Yes. Did it ever lead to sex or anything fruitful. No. Women who come back into your life after rejecting you more than once are generally just in search of validation and nothing more. She's still not into you, she just misses how you used to follow her around and make her feel somewhat special.
/r/seduction17/03/16 06:29 PM
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I'm already debating moving out so I can be closer to most other students and have easier access to different groups/clubs/hobbies/etc that all happen on campus/downtown. Do it! Don't wait. You're only in college once.
/r/seduction17/03/16 04:16 PM
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Thank you, RobbyFeelsGood!
/r/seduction17/03/16 06:20 AM
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If you want the theory behind it, read Stanislavski's An Actor Prepares Chapter 6. Maybe that will instill in you just how serious a problem tension is. You see me on here saying that lack of confidence isn't a problem, being a "beta male" isn't a problem, being nervous isn't a problem, being introverted isn't a problem. Tension is a problem. When you eliminate tension, everything starts to work out. But as I have said many times before: if you are too tense, go to openatm.org and do the exercis…
/r/seduction17/03/16 05:00 AM
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I don't quite think of it that way. One concept that really opened my eyes was when I read Moshe Feldenkrais and he basically said that the reason we have such terrible posture is because our parents told us to stand up straight. Our primitive brains know exactly how to stand properly, but when we override that primitive instinct with a conscious effort to "stand up straight", we actually make our posture worse. In that way, I think "speaking from the chest" could easily do more harm than good. …
/r/seduction16/03/16 11:58 PM
1

It's funny because when I was not sexually active and angry and resentful, I could have written a book on all the different things that I felt. And then I started getting laid and it all went away. I'm all for being honest and forthright and having a ton of integrity in the long run. It's very important. But when you are in a bad place as you say, sometimes you need to set things aside. Catch yourself any time you "get mad" at women or at other guys and make a strong effort to empathize with the…
/r/seduction16/03/16 09:40 PM
3

Leave it alone. There are plenty of women out there who are only focused on monogamous long-term relationships. Your girl probably has some sort of traumatic event in her past that doesn't let her trust or get close to men. There's really nothing you can do about it. Better to accept her for the way she is than get cheated on.
/r/seduction16/03/16 09:32 PM
1

That's good.
/r/seduction16/03/16 09:28 PM
4

Vocal volume and projection mainly comes from resonance, and resonance is related to relaxation and posture. Basically, if you try to talk louder, it will just sound like you are yelling, which isn't attractive. It just makes your voice more grating, but not much louder. When your whole head is relaxed, your voice tends to resonate. Similarly, when we are anxious, our voice becomes quieter -- not to us but to people around us because the resonance is limited. Your entire head should vibrate like…
/r/seduction16/03/16 09:28 PM
1

Having hot female friends is only bad if you continue to hope that they have sex with you even after they've made it clear that they aren't into you. If you don't develop one-itis for them and you actually start expanding your social circle to their other hot friends, then you are doing it the right way.
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:35 PM
1

Sounds like you moved too slow to me. Push the interaction -- make it clear that you are into her from the beginning. She probably feels like she was doing all the work and chasing you and making you feel good about yourself for a few weeks and now she's just over it.
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:30 PM
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The textbook that we were required to use for my vocal class is called Voice and the Actor by Cicely Berry. It's a great book that changed my life. Do the exercises. They work and they last forever (in other words, you don't need to do them every day for the rest of your life, you just need to get good at them and then enjoy the permanent effects).
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:27 PM
2

I took formal acting classes. I don't know much about toastmasters, but I think of that as a very different path than what I was interested in.
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:25 PM
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I took the same first full year of classes that an acting student would have taken at my university. Besides that, I did a lot of independent study into voice and diction because I saw it as a weakness of mine. I had a terrible habit of talking too fast and mumbling. It was way too frequent of a problem that I would try to talk to a woman and she had trouble understanding what I was saying. After improving my voice and diction, not only did I no longer have that problem, but women became very en…
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:24 PM
1

So the high-and-mighty emperor has no clothes, huh? Can't even back it up when you call another guy insecure? That's sad. If you're gonna write big old checks, make sure you can cash them.
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:22 PM
1

It wasn't easy. I would say that I didn't realize how closed off I had been for most of my life until I tried to relate to other guys -- guys who didn't have the same interests as me. One of the first things I needed to do was stop making fun of super mainstream stuff, which at the time was Britney Spears, NSYNC, GW Bush, The Matrix, Arnold Schwarzenegger....you know, all the really dumb/lame stuff that most guys like. There is a rule in the 48 Laws of Power that says something like "think as yo…
/r/seduction16/03/16 07:19 PM
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Yes, yes and yes. It helps more than you could ever imagine.
/r/seduction16/03/16 03:06 PM
1

I cold approached for my first few years of college (which is not really cold approach), got laid once and then gave it up. It's just not efficient. It plays on women's desperation, which basically means you will have a lower rate of return and you will only get less hot women.
/r/seduction16/03/16 03:04 PM
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If you have great inner game, a full life, and you're just grabbing your morning coffee before you head into the office, you have no time for an insta-date. One time a long time ago, I was walking into my office in the morning, I saw a girl that I had met at a party not too long before. We chatted and remarked what a coincidence it was that we worked so close to one another. I asked her if she was doing anything for lunch. She said no. I said how about we meet here at noon and go eat. Insta-date…
/r/seduction16/03/16 04:55 AM
1

Okay, so before you change the subject to pharmaceuticals, you are acknowledging that you can't know the level of various hormones and chemicals in your body at any given time, correct?
/r/seduction16/03/16 02:43 AM
0

Sex in public places.
/r/seduction15/03/16 05:21 PM
1

What do you believe that I am insecure about?
/r/seduction15/03/16 05:03 PM
1

I don't hate anything, I just have some criticisms. Why is that so hard for you to handle? Personally, I think the guy who needs everyone to like what he likes is the one with ego issues, but hey, that's just my opinion. I feel bad for you that other people's opinions can piss you off so much. You should probably work on that.
/r/seduction15/03/16 03:16 PM
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You have to read a book to know anything about it? Believe it or not, some people can acquire information about a source without directly reading the source. I feel bad for you if you can't do that.
/r/seduction15/03/16 05:21 AM
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How do the best at the game or the best athletes keep their motivation before they achieve their goals? I actually think that athletics is a great comparison. Athletes don't think they are great at what they do, they think they suck -- even when they are at the top of their game. That's what motivates them -- their humility. They always work for something greater than what they already are.
/r/seduction15/03/16 05:03 AM
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How would you know? I take everything on the Internet with a grain of salt. It is certainly possible that she "insisted" on sleeping with him, but if that's so it's not because he turned her on. She was already DTF, she wanted him, he was cool with it. It happens every so often, but it's not seduction.
/r/seduction15/03/16 04:57 AM
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I was bullshitting? Show me where I said I read the book, genius. I was referring to your claim that I am "faking it". That's the only bullshit being spewed on this thread.
/r/seduction15/03/16 04:52 AM
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Honestly, I think the idea that a girl who you are attracted to but who doesn't know that you exist is not an opportunity. There is no "try to approach a girl", you need to be flirting with the world and making connections with everyone around you. When she moves into your purview or smiles at you or gives you an approach invitation, that is an opportunity. And I have a feeling that you will be much less likely to puss out if you create a lot of those situations.
/r/seduction15/03/16 03:41 AM
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What's the psychology behind this? I don't think it's anything scientific, but self-deprecating humor (when done correctly) shows security and humility. I think the example you give is a bit too much though. Less is more.
/r/seduction15/03/16 03:38 AM
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I don't read books by guys with fake names and click-bait titles. I am later in life. I've done pretty well for myself thanks. Sad that you have to pretend like you know anything about my life to feel better about yourself. Did you learn that from Models?
/r/seduction15/03/16 03:36 AM
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Believe it or not girls like being felt up by cool guys when they are horny and have established a report. Makeout Report Partner: Jennifer Height: 5'7" Eyes: Blue Hair: Blonde Skin softness: above average Kissing technique: average Activity level: active Notes: too much tongue, relax and have fun Overall score: 7/10 (sorry, I just had to, lol)
/r/seduction15/03/16 12:37 AM
1

Coffee is best. Asking her to coffee wouldn't be coming on too strong.
/r/seduction14/03/16 11:47 PM
2

Don't go straight there. I think travel, music, TV shows, etc. are quality segues into relationship topics. Start formal, then use a stepping stone topic like travel, music, entertainment, or something like that, and then naturally move into the relationships thing. It's much smoother that way. She won't even remember why she opened up to you in the first place. If you go straight into relationships, she might spook. If she's initially attracted to you, it won't matter of course, but you want to…
/r/seduction14/03/16 11:30 PM
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Yeah, keep the topics moving. Ability to think outside the box and be creative is very important. Your overall goal is to guide the conversation into seductive territory: travel, fun, music, passions, differences between the sexes, relationships, etc.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:46 PM
1

No, that sounds like something a woman would ask.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:33 PM
2

Go deeper. Arouse her passions a bit. If you're at a train station, it's pretty natural to talk about travel -- a prime subject for seduction.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:32 PM
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Nice non-answer.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:19 PM
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Bottom line is that if she isn't attracted to you in the first place, "standing up for yourself" won't make her attracted. It isn't seduction, it's just an inane opener that gives her a reason to chime in. No different than saying, "I hate kids." A few women might come up to you and say, "yeah, I hate kids too, why does everyone think they have to procreate." This doesn't mean that "I hate kids" is a golden opener that works on every woman, it just works on women who don't want to have kids.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:19 PM
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Works well for guys who have naturally attractive personalities. What about everyone else? Models is just the condensed advice of grandparents. Plus, anyone who names a dating book "Models" that doesn't explain how to seduce models is an idiot. Obvious click bait.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:16 PM
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Yeah, there are better ways to show passion than complaining about paying for Jameson shots.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:11 PM
1

Yup, lol. Before you go creating a theory about how not wanting to pay for things makes all women wet, try it out a few more times.
/r/seduction14/03/16 10:11 PM
1

I'm also confused. "Bait" is what guys use to get girls to come over to their place, like a record collection, a guitar, a pet...something like that. You are referring to DHV or "Demonstrating High Value". I'll save you some time. Don't do it. Women are just much more perceptive now than they have ever been. You won't fool anyone, and pretty much anything you say will come off as bragging and make you seem like a douche. Wait until she is interested enough in you to ask you about yourself, and e…
/r/seduction14/03/16 03:09 PM
1

That's because you haven't succeeded yet. You can't think your way to success. You can't fool your brain into thinking you are the shit when you're not -- you need to actually go out and get what you want! Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something (there is a reason that all those classes cost so much). Humans are lazy. We want to strap electrodes onto our abs and get a six pack. We want to take pills that make us thin. We want to buy penny stocks that will make us rich. Sto…
/r/seduction14/03/16 03:04 PM
1

Some people are more scientific. "Lousy pickup day? Maybe low test, low dopa. Girl not attached? Increase oxytocin." There is no proof for any of that stuff. Unless you are taking blood tests and comparing them against empirical data for your results, there is nothing analytical going on. I don't know what advantage it offers. Maybe because it feels more scientific to you, you can fool yourself into thinking that the results will be deterministic? I personally consider that a weakness, but maybe…
/r/seduction14/03/16 02:54 PM
1

This post was purely about women being hook-up oriented versus relationship-oriented. You just need to go for it, Aeon.
/r/seduction13/03/16 06:20 AM
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Seems like every girl I meet just wants sex. Are you telling me that no women at your college are in relationships? They are all just a bunch of single fuck-bunnies with no desire for permanence and no fear of being called sluts? I'm sure a lot of guys would like to know where this magical college is located. I think you need to do some self-examination. This is not a problem that a lot of guys have, so there must be a reason for it. I'm thinking that your perception -- either of these women or …
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:28 AM
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Improve your physical form. I strongly favor acting classes (serious ones), Feldenkrais, Yoga, but anything that improves your posture, voice and gait will pay dividends in the long run. You can always work on the mental stuff, but it takes so much time and effort to erase bad posture habits.
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:25 AM
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Either be the one buying everyone drinks or be affiliated with the person buying everyone drinks (in other words, have an expense account). Even if you're young, you want to give off a benevolent power vibe. Make connections naturally. At least one woman will bite. No matter how young you are, you are targeting women who are 35+. I've never seen an exception to that rule.
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:20 AM
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That is roughly true for the best looking women. But not all women are in that class, and there are a lot of other factors to consider. Is she single, in a relationship, married, divorced, does she have kids, is she religious, how far away is she from her parents, is she on vacation, how much alcohol is in her system, did she recently go through a breakup...? Some combination of those questions will get you an accurate read of how willing she will be to just hook up and not want a relationship.
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:16 AM
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Approach anxiety is the same way. Imagine you see a hot girl and you want to approach but your approach anxiety kicks in. Your brain will start our churning out “rational” reasons why you shouldn’t approach her. True anxiety has nothing to do with rational thought. It is a primal response. You could be thinking, "there's a hot girl, I'm going to go talk to her, I have nothing to fear, I am smart, funny and intelligent...." but your heart is racing, your facial tick is twitching, your arms are st…
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:12 AM
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I would say it feels a lot more like adrenaline, but I would advise you to stop trying to attribute your feelings to chemicals or hormones or anything like that. The feeling itself is all that matters. Words like dopamine, adrenaline, testosterone, etc. will only serve to distract you from what is going on right in front of your eyes.
/r/seduction13/03/16 02:59 AM
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It's extrovert versus introvert. Maybe do Tinder or something. When I listen to successful introverts describe their dating life, I always think to myself, "wow, that sounds really boring." But that's just because of my personality.
/r/seduction12/03/16 09:08 PM
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lol
/r/seduction12/03/16 09:06 PM
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I've never had to force myself. If anything, the more I work, the more I need to go out and have fun.
/r/seduction12/03/16 07:22 PM
2

Location, location, location.... For night game, there is no factor more important than location. It might even be two bars that are located a block from one another, but one is where women go to hook up, and the other is where women go to chill and go home alone.
/r/seduction12/03/16 07:04 PM
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Honestly, so much of succeeding with women is just re-programming your mind to think, "hot girl, potential sex partner" instead of "hot girl, certain embarrassment and failure". And the only way to do that is to succeed. Start seducing, start seeing results, get a feel for your effectiveness, your potential for success, and then everything falls into place. You see a hot girl and you feel excitement and enthusiasm -- not fear.
/r/seduction12/03/16 07:03 PM
1

Exactly. Guys who try to "establish dominance" are the ones who go home with their dicks in their hands.
/r/seduction12/03/16 06:58 PM
2

Maintain your focus on the woman. The other guy is background noise. If her focus on you dissipates, then you should eject. The reason doesn't matter. The key is not to feel threatened. If he ends up salting your game, just chalk it up as one in the loss column and move on.
/r/seduction12/03/16 06:56 PM
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No. The idea of "confidence" is so ubiquitous, that it barely has a definition remaining. OP doesn't seem to realize that people say certain words when they mean something else. Very few people have the perceptive, introspective and expressive abilities to give a truly accurate account of what women want. You can't take anything you hear for face value in this game. However, his concept of "stop trying to be confident, be courageous" is almost exactly like what I've been saying all along, which …
/r/seduction12/03/16 06:54 PM
1

He's not talking about all women though. Most women really and truly don't give a shit whether you hit on them or neg them or body rock or whatever -- they literally don't care about you. They have no expectations at all. They would prefer that no guy approach them at all -- to them that would be a good night.
/r/seduction12/03/16 05:14 PM
2

Right. I get all that. I'm saying you should ask yourself if he didn't call this thing he's talking about "negs" -- if he called it something that he made up himself -- would you care?
/r/seduction12/03/16 06:01 AM
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It seems to me that the more important part of the definition here is the "lack of interest". In other words, it's not so much what it says about her; it's about what it says about me. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. The woman just met you. She doesn't give a shit about you. In fact, there is only a small chance that she gives a shit what you think about her. A neg is a great way to test just how insecure she is. If she craves your approval, she is that much more likely to want to…
/r/seduction12/03/16 03:19 AM
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Of course it's powerful. As I said above, it's a way for no-names to co-opt Mystery's success. Plagiarism itself is a very powerful tool, but that doesn't make it right.
/r/seduction12/03/16 02:13 AM
1

The answer is in the first paragraph, genius.
/r/seduction12/03/16 02:04 AM
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I've read about guys who have sex with like 50 different women a year, and I wonder how they do it. They're either extremely high status, they have a ton of time on their hands, they live in a highly sexually active culture, or they are not picky. I've had sex with many women in my life, and looking back with a lot of perspective, I would say that only a few of these women were authentically sexually adventurous and good in bed. I'm just not interested in mediocre sex any more (even though when …
/r/seduction12/03/16 12:00 AM
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I'm not a fan of when people take existing terms that already have a well-established definition and give them totally new definitions. It's almost like plagiarism. Negs are a different perspective on something to open the girl up to different ideas Um, no they aren't. Negs are lines intended to make women feel insecure. That's what the term has always meant. If you have a new concept, make a new word for it. Don't try to co-opt Mystery's success.
/r/seduction11/03/16 11:51 PM
1

Influence by Robert Cialdini. How to Win Friends and Influence People. I also recommend taking some serious acting classes -- the kind a University would offer.
/r/seduction11/03/16 03:14 PM
1

The Art of Seduction of course. The other books are just how-to-get-laid guides. They will help you have sex with women who would have had sex with you anyway. There is no actual seduction taking place. If you want to make women truly fall for you, Art of Seduction teaches you how. It's the next level.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:12 PM
1

So what am I doing wrong? My guess is that you aren't seducing. You are just being friendly.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:10 PM
12

Never saying "sorry" is a sign of deep insecurities.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:08 PM
1

Have to add one more thing.... I became friends with this girl in August and we became romantically involved Jan/Feb. This is the biggest issue I see. Skip the friends part. You are way too trigger shy for any woman to be into long term unless she is nearing the end of her bio clock.
/r/seduction09/03/16 01:54 PM
1

No, you shouldn't because her signals are very clear. If you call her out, that is practically the definition of needy.
/r/seduction09/03/16 01:51 PM
1

She loves the fact that you are head over heels in love with her. It makes her feel better about herself. But she isn't going to respect you enough until you say "no". And the chances that respect will turn into feelings are super slim, but at least you will have your dignity. And you never know, maybe she'll hook you up with one of her friends.
/r/seduction09/03/16 01:50 PM
1

Except that you can't spread herpes unless you have open sores.
/r/seduction09/03/16 01:46 PM
3

Said like a true red pill virgin.
/r/seduction09/03/16 06:52 AM
0

In OPs own words, he says he isn't reciprocating. I mean, you can't argue on his behalf if you totally ignore his post.
/r/seduction09/03/16 06:50 AM
10

Did you copy this from a billboard?
/r/seduction09/03/16 06:46 AM
1

The first flare-up when you catch genital herpes happens in a matter of weeks, so you will definitely know when you have it. Besides that, you can't transmit Herpes unless you have open sores, so if you are asymptomatic, what advantage would getting tested give you? You can't cure it and there's nothing to treat.
/r/seduction09/03/16 06:46 AM
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The doctor asks me if I have any symptoms or if I've had "risky sex" (which basically means a string of unprotected one night stands, prostitutes, homosexual encounters). I say no. They say there's no real reason to do it. I know that we live in a time when doctors are always trying to get you to run their bill up by taking every test under the sun, but if your dick doesn't hurt, isn't covered with sores and doesn't have puss dripping from it, you probably don't have an STD.
/r/seduction09/03/16 06:42 AM
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Get rid of "The Definitive Book of Body Language". You literally should not be trying to control your body language. It will come off as forced. Read Stanislavski's An Actor Prepares instead. The Art of Seduction should be the first book you read. Nothing else comes close to helping a person understand the true meaning of the word. Getting laid is easy. Anyone can get laid. Very few men know how to truly seduce.
/r/seduction09/03/16 12:54 AM
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Honestly, I wouldn't call you back either. Unless you're a virgin or something, I assume that if you come into my bedroom, you're open to sex. Don't go over to his place unless you are cool with going all the way and that way there won't be mixed signals. Sounds like he's not interested. And I'm not saying that for sure it's because you didn't sleep with him. Could be any number of things. I'm just saying that my personal preference is for sexually available women.
/r/seduction09/03/16 12:52 AM
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Is she really investing though? I think a lot of girls just feel bad rejecting guys. Have you ever been hit on by a gay guy who is putting in a lot of effort? Did you stop him in the middle of a sentence and say, "Sorry, I'm not interested"? I doubt it. It's just not a natural human reaction. There are girls who get off on attention, but it's a very small number. You will know it when you see it. Most of the time though, you just aren't reading her well enough. If she isn't interested, it will b…
/r/seduction09/03/16 12:43 AM
1

Every doctor I've asked has told me not to.
/r/seduction09/03/16 12:40 AM
2

Most of the time when guys come on here and complain about "shit tests", the girl is not testing him -- she is rejecting him. This sounds like an actual test though. She appreciates that you connected with her on an emotional level, but a woman always needs to know that when the time comes you will be able to take charge and fuck her like a rag doll. Unfortunately, you failed the test. There are a number of good responses here. "I think you already found him." "Look no further." "I know a guy wh…
/r/seduction08/03/16 09:08 AM
1

Interesting....
/r/seduction08/03/16 12:05 AM
1

I get what you are saying. I just think that it is a bit overly analytical. What you call implicit memories, limiting beliefs, etc. I just call bad habits. Breaking bad habits is not easy, but it can be done. I think the less time we spend analyzing our bad habits and the more time we spend breaking them, the better results we will see. I myself was in a similar situation in my late teens/early twenties where I just wanted to analyze and make excuses and delay, delay, delay. It was pure laziness…
/r/seduction08/03/16 12:05 AM
1

Look, it's likely there was something that happened earlier in her life that makes her want to be your sex toy. You can't change her. I have a feeling that if you miss this opportunity, you will regret it. Take her to dinner and pull her into an alley and have her suck you off there. Do it at the beach. Do it at someone else's house. You know, push the envelope a bit. At least wait until the point where you are tired of how easy it is and you want a challenge.
/r/seduction05/03/16 04:30 PM
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I agree that the argument was going nowhere -- moreover that it never got started. I was just trying to get some insight on what he actually believed, but I don't get the sense that he is comfortable putting it into words. Coming to terms with one's own feelings is not always comfortable. It's not like I'm being malicious here. I just want to get stuff out in the open. Speaking in banal platitudes is great for politicians, but not so great for making progress in one's life.
/r/seduction05/03/16 04:27 PM
1

Having a positive attitude is a lot different than what OP describes.
/r/seduction05/03/16 04:23 PM
1

Really? Because I feel I was being unduly respectful of you by not pointing out that your writing is very difficult to make sense of. It definitely doesn't follow any sort of linear logic. I only ask clarifying questions when it's necessary. But yeah, pick up your ball and go home. That will show everyone that you are the winner and that you are not afraid of opinions contrary to your own.
/r/seduction05/03/16 12:42 AM
1

What is the brain-part?
/r/seduction05/03/16 12:13 AM
1

Then I guess there should be no problem talking your friend out of chasing that girl you can clearly see is bad for him. No sir, that seems to be what you are arguing. That a guy can make himself confident just by talking himself out of being insecure. I'm saying stop trying to talk your friend out of chasing the girl who is bad for him, lead by example and show him that he can get laid by seducing women which does not have anything to do with confidence. If the brain can't be fooled, he would l…
/r/seduction04/03/16 11:39 PM
1

Right. Your water metaphor is spot on. Even though water tastes much better when you are dehydrated, no one in their right mind would dehydrate themselves to experience the good feeling of drinking water when you are on death's door. So where do we disagree?
/r/seduction04/03/16 11:28 PM
1

You need confidence to get fulfilling sex. I beg to differ. The best sex I've ever had was when I was totally and completely insecure in myself. Sex addicts in general are very insecure people. Sex doesn't just provide the sweet release of orgasm but also abundant validation, which can be like a drug to the insecure man. Sex is much less fulfilling now that I am a more confident man with much less to prove to anyone else or to myself. But it took a lot of success with women and the validation th…
/r/seduction04/03/16 09:52 PM
2

Ditto on what all the other upvoted guys said, but also.... There is this one girl who I had class with last semester.... Therefore, you should have done this last semester. Women are fickle. Their attraction to you, however big or small, wanes down towards nothing for every day you don't make a move.
/r/seduction04/03/16 09:26 PM
1

I'm sorry, but how is this a response to my comment? It's a bit (understatement) of a non sequitur.
/r/seduction04/03/16 09:22 PM
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You just moved to a new area and you want to get the reputation as the town creep by approaching random women? I say no. Don't do it. Make new friends, become a new person. This is a great opportunity to let go of the person you used to be and be the person you want to be. Don't squander it.
/r/seduction04/03/16 06:18 PM
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"Yup, I'm ok with that. At this point in my life I'm ok with that." So, if I snap my fingers she'll suck me off. I fail to see the issue here. Is she hot?
/r/seduction04/03/16 06:16 PM
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There is a similarity between sales and seduction. I think much more can be drawn from Cialdini's Influence (which is based on sales manuals) than anything that RSD or Mystery ever wrote. That said, there are some issues with your conclusions. First of all, this guy was asking for a few bucks, not to stick his penis inside of you. Definite difference in both time and personal commitments. Also, you say he is a great example of how to cold approach and how much you got out of it, but he didn't ge…
/r/seduction04/03/16 06:13 PM
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Trust me, it works. Your brain doesn't know the difference between reality and what you tell it that reality is. This is so false, I don't even know where to begin. You can't fool your own brain. Guys who invent some sort of grand delusion that they are wonderful in all the ways they want to be will always fall hard when reality hits. Confidence is not necessary to have sex with women. Some of the greatest seducers are also among the most insecure men out there. Like attracts like. Insecure wome…
/r/seduction04/03/16 06:06 PM
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Arrogance and optimism are not synonyms. Your claim reminds me of a marketing class I took in college. The class was split into groups of 10 or so. Our final presentation was going to be voted on by our classmates to determine a winner, and the winning team was to get prizes and automatic As in the class. One of the guys in our group told the other group members that he is awesome at power point and he'll just take care of the presentation all by himself. Well, he showed up on presentation day w…
/r/seduction01/03/16 01:03 PM
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Oh, okay, it's hard to tell sometimes. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters.
/r/seduction01/03/16 03:44 AM
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It can't work long-term. Just looking at the ones where it didn't parlay into a relationship, we watched movies together, we joked around, we got along well, we went out to dinner, we cuddled, we did all the things that couples do. There was just no committed relationship. Basically, at these times in my life, these women were the best I could do at the time, but I knew I wanted more, and I was always looking for more. Of course, you don't say this. It's an unspoken truth. We both knew it. These…
/r/seduction01/03/16 03:43 AM
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after a month there is no sex Unless there are religious reasons or something, this has little or nothing to do with how shy she is. My guess would be that you are just not used to the new dynamic, but the responsibility is still on you to escalate. Just because she's not like what you are used to, doesn't mean that she doesn't like sex.
/r/seduction01/03/16 12:38 AM
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I repeated time after time during the first 3 months that it was purely casual, yet I was cuddling her and staying over and we were doing BF/GF stuff together.... In that case, I would say that she read you perfectly. Perhaps you were the one who was having trouble accepting your own desire for intimacy. Doesn't matter what you say, it matters how you behave. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. But why would a man behave like a boyfriend unless deep down inside he craves intimacy? I feel like …
/r/seduction01/03/16 12:34 AM
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How is that relevant? For one thing, you can't learn anything from celebrities when it comes to women. Anyone who knows anything about women can confirm that. Secondly, Donald Trump's arrogance hasn't helped him in any way. By all estimates except for his own, he is a mediocre investor who hasn't even outperformed the S&P 500 in his business career. In other words, he would have been better off letting other people invest his money than doing it himself. He is a failure in every sense of the wor…
/r/seduction01/03/16 12:31 AM
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Arrogance can be good? In what situation is arrogance good?
/r/seduction29/02/16 10:43 PM
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No, but then I've never been fat and never had a ton of money. You are basically saying that you went from a 0% conversion rate on Tinder to a 100% conversion rate. That is pretty spectacular. I mean, I know nothing about Tinder, but is it really just a pussy vending machine? Never imagined such a thing could exist. It all sounds very red pill, so I hope you won't take my suspicion as an insult. I guess if you've got pussy on tap and you're satisfied, then why mess with a good thing? I don't kno…
/r/seduction29/02/16 10:42 PM
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Nice. Definitely focus on the friends of friends. You are somewhat mysterious to them, and they've most likely heard good things about you/wondered about you. Plus since you are the host, you will automatically have a leadership vibe going in. Great opportunity. Make sure you capitalize on it.
/r/seduction29/02/16 06:30 PM
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Not during, but afterwards like when you are sitting at home alone, then yeah. It's always good to review your moves and see if you could have made better ones, like a chess player does after every match (even the ones he wins).
/r/seduction29/02/16 06:19 PM
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She just wants to get to know you better. You can't expect her to spread her legs after five minutes of shopping. When you guys go out next, focus on building attraction and comfort.
/r/seduction29/02/16 06:18 PM
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First off, congrats on choosing what I and many others consider the best path. Don't worry about necessarily being a fun guy. Just start making male friends and talking to them about whatever. Gravitate towards the guys that seem to have a more fluid social life rather than a fixed small group of friends. Watch and learn. You will eventually get it.
/r/seduction29/02/16 06:17 PM
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If there are no signs that she wants to make it exclusive, then I wouldn't worry about it. I find that most women are pretty good at reading men. She probably knows that you don't want to be exclusive and accepts that. Maybe she doesn't want to be exclusive either....who knows?
/r/seduction29/02/16 05:25 PM
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The most efficient way to go about pickup is to ignore women who are busy doing something else.
/r/seduction29/02/16 05:06 PM
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The culture is going to affect success rates -- regardless of what anyone says. Religiousness seems to be the #1 factor in terms of how easy girls will be to bang with family values in a distant second. For example, cultures with strong religion and family values are going to have the toughest women to bang, while cultures with not much religion and not much family values are going to have the easiest girls to bang. Basically, if a girl thinks that God is watching her and worries that her family…
/r/seduction29/02/16 05:03 PM
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My first thought is that a party with 70 guys and 35 girls can quickly turn into a party with 70 guys and 0 girls. Any way you can even out that ratio a bit?
/r/seduction29/02/16 04:57 PM
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Attraction is not linear -- not for men, but especially not for women. You might just not be her type. So what? The fact that you describe this as "traumatic" makes me think that maybe you're not quite as confident as you would like to be. This is precisely the reason that I am against the idea that "confidence is everything". It's a word that encompasses so many things and can be easily mistaken for pride/hubris or whatever else you want to call it. Forget confidence. Work on seduction.
/r/seduction29/02/16 04:54 PM
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Do you have any reason to believe that she wants more than what you have right now?
/r/seduction29/02/16 04:50 PM
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If your goal is a ONS, then no, definitely not. If it's more of a long-term thing, then yes, and it's a real ego boost too.
/r/seduction28/02/16 12:27 AM
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You don't necessarily need to keep in touch. I've always had an abundance of friends at the bars I used to hang out with, and I rarely contacted any of them outside of the bar.
/r/seduction28/02/16 12:26 AM
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Although the word choice is slightly better in the second one, the concept is still the same: leading with a compliment. She's not receptive to you just yet. You might be a psycho. She may not even be paying attention to you, so you might have to repeat yourself. You should lead with something indirect and situational and then go for the compliment when you have some rapport.
/r/seduction28/02/16 12:24 AM
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Yes, perfectly normal. Don't worry about it.
/r/seduction28/02/16 12:18 AM
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Let her off the hook? You don't have any existing relationship with this girl, so there is no hook. You should take all flakes the same way -- a sign of disinterest. Not a big deal. Just respond, "no problem, some other time" and let her set up the next meet. If you seduce a woman properly, she won't sleep past her alarm. You want to get to the point where she can't sleep at all because she is so preoccupied with thoughts of you.
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:35 PM
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Yeah, sounds like (maybe) she turned you down out of habit and then regretted it while you guys were walking and then tried to reverse course. Bet you didn't expect that, huh? Always expect the unexpected from women. They can be fickle.
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:32 PM
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Total KJ. There is definitely an attraction window with women, and it closes as soon as (among other things) you turn down an invite for sex. They don't have the time to wait around for a guy who won't capitalize on an opportunity.
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:30 PM
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Depends on the college, but for all intents and purposes, you should consider it a "closed system". It's not the women aren't interested in guys outside of their circles, it's just that they have such extreme abundance within those circles that they don't need to make that jump yet. Women who have just graduated college -- now that's a much better target group.
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:26 PM
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If anything, you should be proud that you were able to exit a relationship that wasn't working out despite some pluses. Most men do settle. Good for you. It's only been less than four months. You can't expect to get over a breakup in so little time. Maybe you're in the worst stage right now -- emotional withdrawal. You shouldn't start dating seriously until like a year after anyway, and even then you will still get pangs of jealousy and emotions for your ex. Just ignore them. It's part of life. …
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:24 PM
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Just highlight that you've never been in an official long-term relationship, but vaguely imply that you have had short-term flings. If she asks why, just say you haven't really clicked with anyone yet.
/r/seduction26/02/16 08:18 PM
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Art of Seduction is a bit overwrought, but it will teach you more about seduction than practically anything else out there. Don't take everything in it so seriously. The examples are meant to serve as a guide rather than a recipe. A lot of the concepts just repeat and repeat. The secret is to find a pattern in there that matches with your existing habits and kind of fit yourself into a more effective pattern. I don't have the book in front of me, but I'll try to address your questions: Wouldn't …
/r/seduction25/02/16 10:10 PM
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Well, you're way ahead of where I was at 20. I didn't reach the point you were at until maybe 28, but yeah, I totally feel you. You are dating girls who are "pretty" but who ultimately don't satisfy you. What do you really want? I think it's time to figure that out. And yeah, dating sucks. It just feels desperate, like you are always trying to make something out of nothing -- like you are fooling yourself. I've always been more of a relationship guy. Maybe you're not, which is cool, but you defi…
/r/seduction25/02/16 09:33 PM
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Yup, infatuation. You are seeing more than is really there. I think the real key fact here is that you blew up her phone with a drunken rant, and instead of saying, "don't text me again, thanks, bye", she said, "let's talk tomorrow." Terrible sign right there. That means you freaking out was what she wanted in the first place. Basically you are getting played right now. What you should have done is not easy, but here's how I would handle it: She tells you she's not over her ex. Instead of gettin…
/r/seduction25/02/16 09:29 PM
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It's worth a try. I haven't gotten any benefits from meditation, but I have gotten huge (permanent) benefits from Feldenkrais. Feldenkrais can be done right before you sleep. You don't have to shower afterwards or wear special clothing or anything like that. All you need is a big enough floor space to be able to roll around a lot.
/r/seduction25/02/16 12:46 AM
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Kind of. Give it a try. Yes, it is extremely difficult to do low impact movements over almost an hour, but that is where the benefit comes from. It's closer to meditation than exercise per se.
/r/seduction25/02/16 12:17 AM
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Feldenkrais goes well with any kind of dance or acting or even sports. Go to openatm.org and do a different exercise each night. Changed my life. It's so much easier for people who grew up being active to have good posture and move well. Computer geeks like me needed something more remedial.
/r/seduction25/02/16 12:03 AM
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Hip-hop classes are all over, and they are (by far) the hardest type of dance out there. If you stick with those, your informal dancing will improve by leaps and bounds. I also took salsa which is great for learning how to properly touch a woman -- a huge deal. I think salsa has improved my game in so many intangible ways.
/r/seduction24/02/16 11:32 PM
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The problem is that you think of it as rejection. Some people spend their entire lives attaching their worth to whether one specific person accepted or rejected them. Don't be that person! Most of the time, rejection just means she isn't feeling it with you. This could be because you aren't seducing well enough, but in all likelihood, it just means you aren't pushing her buttons as well as the next guy. Trust me on this. I'm a pretty desirable guy with all the right boxes checked. I do well with…
/r/seduction24/02/16 06:52 PM
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Self-improvement is not seduction though. If a guy grew up around a lot of guys who are good with women, then maybe all he needs to do is just go for it because he's already programmed for seduction. But some guys do need to actually learn how to seduce.
/r/seduction24/02/16 06:02 PM
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Take a class or a bunch of classes. Practice a lot (and I mean a lot). Good dancers have usually been dancing since they were kids, so you have some catching up to do. Sadly, even a two-step will do more harm than good if you are stiff and inexperienced. You shouldn't dance ridiculously either of course. All the normal advice that people give like "just relax" and "do whatever comes naturally" only works for people whose brains are wired for dancing through years of practice. If you dance to mus…
/r/seduction24/02/16 05:26 PM
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Yup. I think this is more my idea of vulnerability. Even in your example, it involves a lot of talking about oneself, and in a way that is probably not all that interesting to the other person. I react to vulnerability just as much as anyone. When anyone (guy or girl) is in a constant state of gathering information about me and revealing nothing about themselves, I get suspicious. Does this person have something to hide? Does this person want to bring me down somehow? I have a few go-to subjects…
/r/seduction24/02/16 05:21 PM
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Why do you assume he's a better man? Be honest here and tell me what percentage of women you think would be attracted to a man who would like to watch them get fucked whilst insulting them. I'd say not very many. I think you are reading too much into this. You think you feel weak because of this fantasy, but I'm telling you that it will all wash away if you can just ignore these feelings of self-doubt, go out and find another woman to fuck, date, marry whatever. Wallowing is not going to help an…
/r/seduction23/02/16 05:08 PM
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I'm not the expert of demonstrating value on social media, but I know that it's not easy. Less is more for sure, and you seem to be in a "more" mode right now. Definitely switch to a "less" mode if you want to come off cool and masculine.
/r/seduction23/02/16 01:41 AM
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I miss flexing those skills. Yeah, I get what you are saying. I also get how difficult it is to remember how much being single sucks -- the loneliness, the rejection, and worst of all the feeling each time you get laid that you should be able to do better. As long as you remember that "flexing your skills" comes part and parcel with all the bad stuff, you shouldn't miss it too much.
/r/seduction23/02/16 12:45 AM
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I've been informally mentoring for years. PM me any time.
/r/seduction23/02/16 12:42 AM
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Resist the temptation to make a public spectacle of your neediness.
/r/seduction23/02/16 12:41 AM
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Um, yeah, sure, except that I've slept with lots of 9s and 10s (hotter than any girl I've seen Mystery with) and they get DHV all day long from people who have never heard of MM. DHV works best on 7s and 8s of below average intelligence (and they will be DHVing themselves to you as well). Once you break through that ceiling, a whole different type of game emerges that Mystery doesn't even begin to imagine. But that makes sense, because Mystery was all about turning virgins (often times guys with…
/r/seduction22/02/16 11:10 PM
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LOL
/r/seduction22/02/16 10:59 PM
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Well, yeah, the RSD guys came from the same asf circle as Mystery, so it makes sense that their material is largely based on MM. The RSD guys hate Mystery, Mystery hates the RSD guys. I'm sure it's all about money. I like MM basics. Approach-comfort-escalate is as good of a step-by-step summary as there is. But peacocking and DHV and a lot of the other teachings are targeted towards a very specific brand of pickup. There is a vein of cynicism and misogyny that runs through Mystery's teachings. G…
/r/seduction22/02/16 09:53 PM
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If it's hurting your productivity, then you gotta ignore her. I know the feeling....some people are just plain made for in-the-workplace relationships, and I am not one of them.
/r/seduction22/02/16 09:42 PM
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I haven't done any serious research, but I've heard that MM was heavily influenced by SS, and I tend to believe strongly in the idea that nothing is truly created -- everything is just an adaptation of something that came before it. Maybe some science stuff, but definitely nothing outside of the realm of science is novel. It's all based on something that came before it and was observed by the "new" thing's creator, either consciously or subconsciously. The people who get credit for stuff are oft…
/r/seduction22/02/16 07:00 PM
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Come on man....you are on here asking how not to fantasize about your ex? I don't know how many times I've fantasized about my various exes and missed opportunties, but it probably numbers in the tens or hundreds of thousands. The best way to stop fantasizing about any woman you can't have is to find a new one to fantasize about. I can't think of a better feeling than when you get laid by a new woman and all your insecurities about the other women in your life just vanish! It's like being cleans…
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:53 PM
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telling me that I was in her dream one night. I tend to think of that as a pretty solid IOI, but it's by no means a sure thing. Dating at work takes a very well-developed Secret Society mentality. I am not a fan. I just get uncomfortable when I have to hide stuff. Have you dated anyone at work before? I've only done it once, and I fucked things up in a pretty embarrassing way. You need a strong frame and a lot of patience, which I didn't have at the time. That said, if your job is replaceable, t…
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:43 PM
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Everything is either an adaptation of the MM, or a rejection of it (and thus defined by it). Um, even the stuff that came before MM? I'm a fan of the general structure of MM, but it's ignorant to call it axiomatic.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:36 PM
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Could be nothing, could be something. Only one way to find out. Over time, you will develop better skills in terms of how to non-verbally communicate your interest. Looking away is kind of like a rejection, and most of the time when you "reject" a woman, you have killed your chances with her forever. It's important to consistently display interest in a controlled and non-needy fashion from first contact to close.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:33 PM
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The thing is that every guy is different. Of course I favor my own stuff over other people's, but they will probably tell you the same thing. I would say that if you get laid by a new female more than twice a year, you are not the target market for the hardcore PUA materials.
/r/seduction22/02/16 06:28 PM
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What concept are you specifically skeptical about? "This stuff" could mean a lot of stuff on here. And yeah, a lot of stuff on here is BS.
/r/seduction22/02/16 05:23 PM
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Never heard this before, thanks for this new and exciting concept! [said with a tone of extreme sarcasm]
/r/seduction22/02/16 05:21 PM
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I tend not to care what's "widely believed", but maybe that's just me. If you believe that you are a weak person, then that is your issue. Not fantasizing about your ex.
/r/seduction22/02/16 05:17 PM
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They're all different, but one thing I love about Paris is that the women are extremely sex positive and at the same time you feel a deep romantic connection with them -- even if it only lasts a night. My biggest issue with women from the US, UK and northern Europe is that they think of sex as a "bad thing" if that makes any sense.
/r/seduction22/02/16 03:45 PM
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What is there to solve? I think fantasizing about her cuckolding you is a lot healthier than thinking your confidence and happiness depends on her having sex with you and only you. I mean, obviously it's best not to think about her at all, but wouldn't you rather be comfortable with the fact that she is having sex with other men than in denial?
/r/seduction22/02/16 03:40 PM
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Jesus Christ, if multiple women are telling you that you are annoying, you must be doing something really obvious. Can you really not figure it out?
/r/seduction22/02/16 03:36 PM
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First of all, Wilt's 20,000 claim is extremely suspect. He would have to have had sex with over two new women per day for over a 20-year period. That simply doesn't happen. Gene Simmons is one ugly MF and a rock star, so I tend to believe his claims. He probably had sex with most of them in makeup. Anyways, it's quite rare for guys who actually get laid to care about their counts.....really ugly guys, really short guys, etc. Basically, you need some deep-seated insecurities and peter pan issues …
/r/seduction22/02/16 03:35 PM
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If you're making excuses for her, then I think there's a good chance you are her orbiter. Some women are just teases. It's hard for guys to understand that, because I don't know if there is such thing as a male tease (unless you are teasing gay guys or something). She is probably just using you for validation.
/r/seduction22/02/16 03:25 PM
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Do you have Netflix? Watch Master of None. It has a lot of great examples of flirting and making connections that are distant yet intimate -- the sweet spot for seduction. If you are too intimate, then you get friend-zoned. If you are too distant, then you are just another guy. It needs to be a good balance of the two.
/r/seduction19/02/16 07:24 AM
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American clubs can be highly superficial places. I'm a tall white guy, and even I am not prime grade A beef at a club. I don't have enough muscles, tats, or piercings. So basically neither of us is at the top of the totem pole, but that's not what matters. What matters is that there is at least one girl there with whom you have an intense mutual attraction. Me personally, I am quite shallow about looks, weight and height, but I couldn't care less about skin color, race, ethnicity. I could tell y…
/r/seduction18/02/16 08:57 PM
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Talking and dancing with an attractive single black girl is extremely easy for me. I'm a shallow person, and I'd like to find an attractive girlfriend from this mess.... Seems like you answered your own question.
/r/seduction18/02/16 08:43 PM
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Yes, Insta-Date is always preferred. Go for it.
/r/seduction18/02/16 08:40 PM
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If she's at a hotel, then that is pretty convenient. Why drag her all the way to your place and have to drag her back to the hotel?
/r/seduction18/02/16 08:40 PM
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This is partially true. There should be a mutual development of intimacy for any relationship to be successful. If she has to beg you to commit to her, you may as well just say "no", because that makes you a low-grade relationship and a good candidate to get cheated on when and if you actually start to like her back. Likewise, as in the OPs case, if you have to beg her to commit to you, then nothing good can come out of that either. Move on and seduce better next time. If you show a little vulne…
/r/seduction18/02/16 08:37 PM
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Not being able to think of what to say combined with anxiety that bordered on terror a lot of the time. I still remember one date in particular -- which, come to think of it, was probably the time in my life that I realized I needed to make some serious changes beyond what I had already been doing. Because of my propensity for boldness, good looks and decent sense of humor, I was able to get her to go out with me. She didn't flake, but from the moment she got into my car until I took her home, I…
/r/seduction18/02/16 06:13 PM
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In my opinion, most aspects of seduction can be boiled down to three basic concepts: Be Bold https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3fuutr/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_1_be_bold/ Build Distant Intimacy https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3hx3u4/crush_hazard_seduction_series_rule_2_build/ Focus on Her, Not You https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3m5dsg/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_3_focus_on/
/r/seduction18/02/16 05:11 PM
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Wish I could give this more upvotes. The great thing about the insta-date is that even if she is too busy to do something and you end up getting her number, you made a bold impression as a sexual threat by going for the insta-date in the first place.
/r/seduction18/02/16 05:06 PM
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Cold approach is more myth than reality. Seduction and love are intrinsically related. One cannot exist without the other.
/r/seduction18/02/16 06:07 AM
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Yes, but don't focus on the number. Focus on making a connection and carrying it through as far as it can go. if it must be cut short, then get her number so that you can continue to grow the connection. As I've said many times, the number is not your goal.
/r/seduction18/02/16 06:06 AM
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LOL, nice try there with the baiting. Get over yourself and then maybe....just maybe you will get your results up to my level. BOL.
/r/seduction17/02/16 07:23 PM
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I wish that were the case. As someone who cold approaches a woman and essentially "convinces" her to go on a date with you, you are more of a novelty than anything else -- a feather in her cap....a good story to tell. Any other guy in her life that she is attracted to has higher priority than you. You don't want to be the story that she tells the other guys in her life to make them jealous, you want to be the guy that she wants to make jealous. I should mention that this applies if she is going …
/r/seduction17/02/16 06:18 PM
1

Stage 5 clinger, huh?
/r/seduction17/02/16 05:05 PM
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I'm not talking about a date either, I'm talking about number of times cold approach leads to sex divided by total number of approaches (including ones where the woman doesn't even speak a word). Obviously there are different ways to measure results.
/r/seduction17/02/16 05:04 PM
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through conversation skills and...playful flirting Shortened it to the essentials. Yes, definitely. Show off your conversational skills. Flirt playfully. But don't make it about you, and yeah, you don't want it to turn into an interview either. That's where the skill comes in, I guess. It should feel like you are talking about nothing at all. There is a show with Aziz Ansari called Master of None. The whole thing is pretty good, but definitely watch the episode called "Nashville". It is pretty m…
/r/seduction17/02/16 07:36 AM
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Well, if it's friends or acquaintances that you already know, I would call that social circle game. At the risk of getting jargon-y, If it's a stranger who has given you an IOI (indicator of interest like eye contact or messing with her hair), given you an AI (approach invitation like turning her body towards you or getting close to you for no reason) or you have some sort of social proof with her (work in the same office or the same building, go to the same school, go to the same gym, standing …
/r/seduction17/02/16 07:25 AM
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Yes, that would be a warm approach. The best way to see it from a woman's perspective (because men almost never get approached by women) is to think of someone approaching you to sell you something. Would you be more receptive to someone trying to sell you something when you made eye contact with that person or if they just sneak up behind you and start talking to you? Would you be more receptive to that person if you were doing nothing in particular or if you were in the middle of a conversatio…
/r/seduction17/02/16 07:18 AM
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You certainly should be honest. What's important is that you are comfortable with your situation. When I was in Europe, I was staying with a few roommates. I knew two of them were getting their PhDs, so I asked the third (whom I didn't know) if he was getting his PhD too. He said, "yes, I'm getting a PhD in ice cream." In other words, he worked at an ice cream shop, but he was comfortable with himself. He got laid for sure. Not by the hottest woman in the world, but nonetheless he got laid. Real…
/r/seduction17/02/16 07:07 AM
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You are aware that it's acceptable to date a woman younger than you, right? It definitely gets tough when the age range is greater than 10 years, but it is still possible. 5-10 year age gap is good for marriage, I think.
/r/seduction17/02/16 05:25 AM
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Persistence is important, I agree with that. But are we talking about persistence in the face of "obvious signs of not wanting to talk to you" or persistence in response to indecisiveness? There is a difference.
/r/seduction17/02/16 02:25 AM
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I'm not talking about phone numbers though. A phone number really doesn't mean anything.
/r/seduction17/02/16 02:23 AM
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I think "if you say so" is as flirty as it needs to be. She complimented you, so I just think you should graciously accept that compliment instead of going on and on about yourself. In general, talking about yourself is a poor strategy for winning a woman's attraction. You should have some go-to quips about yourself. For example, one of mine is, "When I was a kid, people called me a know-it-all, so I decided to make a career out of it." But then I would turn the conversation onto her with someth…
/r/seduction16/02/16 10:25 PM
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Ooh, that's a tough one. How hard are you looking at this girl? I think 60 Years of Challenge is the best resource for parlaying an aggressive non-verbal sexual vibe into quick sex. I prefer to use words to achieve my ends. My spur of the moment response to "thirsty motherfucker" would probably be "ouch!" with a smile to lighten the mood a bit and get back to my game. Edit: I'm trying to envision myself in the moment rather than think too hard about it (that would give fake scripted style respon…
/r/seduction16/02/16 09:15 PM
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Very true and yet so rare to see this on Seddit. Not sure why.
/r/seduction16/02/16 09:06 PM
1

How long have you been having sex with this girl? Months? If so, then you should be able to understand where she is coming from. See it from her perspective. The beginning of every "relationship" has a nice little buffer period of 1-2 months when both people are seeing how it works out. Sex is a low priority for most women. By and large, they are going to want a relationship. If you aren't that guy, then you aren't doing her any favors by keeping her around. Keep all that in mind, and you should…
/r/seduction16/02/16 09:05 PM
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"Like what?"
/r/seduction16/02/16 08:59 PM
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I would probably respond with something like "If you say so," and then ask her something about herself. When she sarcastically says, "you're very modest I see", I don't think of that as a positive development. It's not really negative either, but not positive. I personally think that it is a good thing to be seen as authentically modest. Of course you also want to be a MFin boss who is awesome in a lot of ways, but you want to be modest about it. Just show her the tip of the iceberg. You are goi…
/r/seduction16/02/16 08:56 PM
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You don't have one-itis, my friend, you are in love. Whether or not you officially labeled it a relationship, you are getting over an ex, and that is not an easy thing to do. The most difficult relationship for me to get over took all of three years. I have a very strong ability to remember stuff, so hopefully that is a maximum for you. You will eventually forget about even the most poignant emotional memories. I promise that it will happen, even if it takes a long time. In the meantime, just ac…
/r/seduction16/02/16 06:23 PM
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One of the greatest advantages that Influence gave me is a deeper understanding of why all people (including myself) make ill-advised decisions. A great example is one-itis and/or sticking with an approach that is clearly not going well. Cialdini's principal of commitment explains why we do this even though on some level we know that nothing good will come of it. There is a tendency in every person to stick with things that aren't going well that is burned into our brains. It's a habit, and a ba…
/r/seduction16/02/16 06:14 PM
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I agree. Women want to be wanted, but sometimes they just want to be left alone. These subtleties can all be worked out in time. The purpose of my enthusiastic comment was to promote this type of thinking over the "you approach her because you are better than her" type of thinking. I think and have always thought that women are fascinating creatures. I think it's okay to think of a woman as a rare and beautiful thing as long as you don't fear her. To avoid the awkward result of approaching a wom…
/r/seduction16/02/16 05:49 PM
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I personally did not practice those those already, either consciously or unconsciously. It took a great deal of restraint to obey Carnegie's rules. You really think that most people try to see things from another person's point of view? You really think people don't criticize each other? Have you seen the Republican debates lately?
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:54 PM
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Yup, pure gold. Part of my canon for doing well with women (Cialdini's Influence and the Art of Seduction as well).
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:52 PM
1

Bent forward with your knuckles on the ground?
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:50 PM
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Yes!
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:48 PM
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[Copied from another thread] Cold approach = walking up to a woman who has not given you any sort of positive signals (eye contact, smile, etc.) and with whom you have no discernible connection (i.e. you are an absolute stranger). I have heard a lot of people talk about cold approach success. The ones who are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth speak of success rates around 1 in 1000. The vast majority of guys who claim a 1 in 7 or a 1 in 10 success rate are either exaggerating, pr…
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:47 PM
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Cold approach = walking up to a woman who has not given you any sort of positive signals (eye contact, smile, etc.) and with whom you have no discernible connection (i.e. you are an absolute stranger). I have heard a lot of people talk about cold approach success. The ones who are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth speak of success rates around 1 in 1000. The vast majority of guys who claim a 1 in 7 or a 1 in 10 success rate are either exaggerating, pretending to do cold approach …
/r/seduction16/02/16 03:46 PM
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It is just you. Simply put, even if you get rejected by one girl, it's a positive thing. The key is to be seen as a sexual threat. It's not just a key, it is the skeleton key of pickup. One of the most poignant moments in my pickup history concerned a woman who I believed was very flirtatious with me. I pursued her properly, did everything right (except a few logistical things) and eventually went for the close, got rejected and stopped talking to her. One of her good friends -- out of the blue …
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:34 AM
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Nice job! FYI, no knock to you, but this was not technically a cold approach because you guys had made eye contact several times before. It was a warm approach. But warm approach is the best way to approach! Keep doing it. Cold approach is a myth.
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:27 AM
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Go with your gut. I'm past that phase, but let me outline some of the advantages to fucking the less attractive women of this world: First and foremost, they are people. They were dealt a not so stellar hand in life, and they know it. While there is nearly always an element of bitterness about their lot in life, many of them are just awesome people who have come to accept their place. There are so many validating qualities about unattractive women that you cannot see just by looking at them at f…
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:22 AM
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I'm sure I'm sorrier than you are about it.
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:12 AM
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The only good comment here. Women want to be wanted!!!!!!!!!!
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:10 AM
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Fuck one hot girl. Then the other ones get easier to talk to. Field tested.
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:09 AM
1

"How to stand more alpha". Sorry, couldn't take it seriously based on this excerpt.
/r/seduction16/02/16 12:08 AM
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It would be an anecdote if I were just telling one story. I provided a large sample of over 100 experiences. Math isn't your strong subject, is it?
/r/seduction15/02/16 01:59 AM
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Yeah, I guess. There is no such thing as "alpha" though. There are many different types of men who do well with women.
/r/seduction14/02/16 07:57 PM
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I just act aloof and generally give off the vibe that I dont' give a fuck, I am not emotionally attached, and I can easily move onto another girl if you start pushing the boundaries and trying to walk all over me. I didn't get the impression from your OP that women were walking all over you. It just seemed like you were giving more than you were receiving. Anyway, it's all fine and good to be aloof and not give a fuck, but that's still not seduction in any sense of the word. You still need to ta…
/r/seduction14/02/16 04:05 PM
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You didn't say anything dumb. The classmate just got jealous that you were doing what he wishes he could do.
/r/seduction13/02/16 06:52 AM
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Don't worry about it. I have always been that way. It's not a bad thing. You just need to learn to express your desire for women in a healthy and seductive way, and everything will work out. Women want to be wanted! That will always give you an advantage over other guys. Only you can give them what they really want.
/r/seduction13/02/16 06:47 AM
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I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else. Of course women are not robots. They are not all the same. But most women are very socially aware -- much more than red pill guys realize. They can sniff out insecurities in men. It's in their DNA. Most women resign themselves to accepting a certain amount of insecurity in men. They can laugh at the guys in the beer commercials and say, "yeah, that's my life". Okay, he never apologizes, but at least he doesn't physically abuse me, so I'll take the goo…
/r/seduction13/02/16 06:44 AM
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Are you in some sort of committed relationship with this girl? Casually dating? Just a friend? All of this is pretty important. A lot of these examples sound a bit exaggerated. Are these actual texts? And finally, I think it would be more useful if you gave the "after" picture as well as the "before". Otherwise, how is it possible to evaluate the change?
/r/seduction12/02/16 06:23 PM
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When meeting new people, I pretty much don't mention anything I mentioned in this post. That's natural. Coder is not the most intriguing career on its face, but you shouldn't be ashamed of it. When you do get a lot of questions about what you do, it's not easy, but it's best to only talk about the most interesting parts of it. This takes a great deal of social awareness. You want to talk about everything in a very dumbed-down kind of way and only hit on points that she is likely to understand an…
/r/seduction12/02/16 06:02 PM
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Ignorance is a strong weapon? First time I've heard that. I guess you are one of those "always feeling offended by everything" people.... No, it's difficult if not impossible to offend me. But women are sensitive, and most would take exception to being called things like "needy" or "jealous" by a guy they don't know very well. I think if you feel the need to call women needy and jealous, then you just aren't equipped to seduce to your full potential. It just smacks of unresolved issues, resentme…
/r/seduction12/02/16 05:43 PM
1

However Diana tells me during studying that Liz wanted to come to my house in her drunken stupor. I thought this was funny so I texted Liz asking her about it. I guess I should have been more specific. I didn't invite Liz or Diana over specifically. I told one of my guy friends who was with them to come continue the party at my dorm cause my ride took me home earlier than i wante to go. Sorry, I can't really piece this stuff together, but I'd say it's still a bit insulting to Ash's intelligence …
/r/seduction12/02/16 03:51 PM
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I am looking for that insult in his comment Calling a woman "jealous" or "needy" is an insult. There's no advantage to doing that. If that's your only move when a woman questions your judgment, then you've got a long road ahead. And about what you say, "deny, deny, deny", what should he deny? A man should always deny things that aren't true ("you're such a man whore" or "you're a liar"). I'm saying that when women get flustered and emotional and dramatic, sometimes guys have a tendency to apolog…
/r/seduction12/02/16 03:47 PM
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Understand that in this case "talking" was kind of a euphemism for "invited over to your place when she was drunk." BigJohnThug is recommending that you insult her, which is of course a bad idea. Your response should have been something like, "I thought you and I were just friends. Sorry if that upset you." So she would feel obligated to say something like, "Don't worry about it" and then it's all smoothed over. If she gets more dramatic about it and says something like, "if we're just friends t…
/r/seduction12/02/16 07:26 AM
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I've been through hundreds of condoms. I think one broke, but it was really obvious that it broke. I took it off, put on another one, no problem. Seriously, dude, it's not rocket science. No sperm, no embryo.
/r/seduction12/02/16 07:13 AM
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KJ = Keyboard Jockey, guys who tell stories to each other that are either made up or heavily embellished, thus perpetuating a distorted view of reality. Always remember that lies tend to be shouted while the truth is whispered.
/r/seduction11/02/16 03:38 PM
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Ah, okay, so this is an ESL thing. She almost choked, not really suffocated. When you say suffocated, we think you put a bag over her head or something.
/r/seduction10/02/16 04:02 PM
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you can still fuck a girl with a condom and get her pregnant. Um no. As long as everything goes the way it's supposed to and the sperm stays in the condom, a woman cannot get pregnant. No sperm, no pregnancy. The whole 99% effective thing is just because there will always be idiots out there and also because they don't want to get sued. The pill is more precarious because it involves trusting the woman enough to take it.
/r/seduction10/02/16 03:55 PM
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OMG, if you're that paranoid, just flush the condom. But seriously man, you haven't gotten laid in how many months and your greatest concern is a woman stealing your sperm and impregnating herself?
/r/seduction10/02/16 03:05 PM
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Yes, after you've hooked up. Things can get very messy after you have hooked up. I think there's a lot of KJ on here though. Personally, I've never had a woman get bent out of shape about being exclusive after less than 2 months of sex. You have plenty of time to just naturally move on. Honestly, I tend to agree with most women -- if you are fucking a girl for 2 months and you don't want some sort of relationship, then you have some issues to work out. Shit or get off the pot. That's not casual …
/r/seduction10/02/16 07:20 AM
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"How is your meal tonight ladies?" "Great! Are you the chef?" "No." "Oh, are you the owner?" "No." "Who are you?" "I'm just a normal guy who is sitting over there." "[???]"
/r/seduction09/02/16 10:53 PM
1

Yeah, don't burn bridges. Respect the strength in loose ties. Just be cool.
/r/seduction09/02/16 07:42 PM
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Am I leading her on? No, you aren't. If you are good at connecting with women on a deep level, keep doing that. It will serve you well in the long term. Unless you are specifically making promises and breaking them, you are good. This is the artist's mentality. When you read about historically awesome seducers like Erroll Flynn, Picasso, Casanova...they were legitimately in love with all the women they banged, and that's the way it should be. What's the use of focusing your efforts on women you …
/r/seduction09/02/16 07:14 PM
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It's important to know whether you hooked up with the girl or not. If you get needy and she does a 180 before you can hook up, then yeah, that needs to change. If you're getting attached after sex, then don't change anything. This is actually a really positive attribute for seduction. Being the romantic guy is a great thing as long as you are closing the deal.
/r/seduction09/02/16 07:05 PM
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I'll often lash out a bit and berate them for wasting my time and often leave with "It's up to you now, if you want to see me again, you can hit me up, but I'm not going to play your game." Yeah, don't do that. That's really not about having a temper, that's more about being needy and insecure. She's a stranger. Her actions should not affect you.
/r/seduction09/02/16 07:02 PM
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I'm sad to see that SF is still awash with wannabe PUAs trying to AMOG other guys. News flash: Cold approach AMOGing doesn't work. Stop making a fool of yourself.
/r/seduction09/02/16 06:57 PM
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Yeah, she's just teasing you. Sorry man. Some women just love attention. Some women love it so much that they can fake being interested in a guy just to maintain that feeling that they are wanted/needed. I've even known women who are willing to have sex with a guy they aren't attracted to just to feel desirable, although I think that is rarer. Most of the time what you get is just the classic tease.
/r/seduction09/02/16 06:53 PM
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Social circle, yes. Cold approach, no. Maybe we just live in different cultures, but for a woman to invite a perfect stranger to a party would not be normal around here. In college, there was a time that I approached two beautiful women in my major and subsequently got invited to a comedy show with them, but this is a bit different. There is a good deal of social proof in that situation. They both ended up becoming good friends of mine, and a few years later at a beach party, I hooked up with on…
/r/seduction09/02/16 06:46 PM
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I dunno, this just isn't something that I can tie into my own experience. By and large, I've found that women are cautious about developing feelings for me. The only way they would get the idea that I want a relationship is if I put that idea in their heads. So all this talk about how you have to make sure she doesn't know that it's a "serious date" or that she knows "how busy my life is" doesn't apply. Every woman I've slept with seemed to just know what's up....they want to take it slow and se…
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:38 PM
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Every guy prefers to bang the hottest of the hot women, but some guys just don't have realistic access to them. If I could only muster 7s and 8s at the max, I would need to get a lot of new pussy to feel abundant. With 9s and 10s, you can seduce them one at a time and feel pretty abundant, I think. Any guy would.
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:30 PM
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I don't know, man. Maybe I'm not picturing it right. Is this your recommendation for the first meetup or all meet ups? You couldn't possibly be reminding her each time you see each other that it's "not going to be a serious night out", could you?
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:25 PM
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If you are sleeping with one new woman per year, I would not call that abundance, but it is definitely more abundant than guys who can't get laid at all. If you are sleeping with ten new women per year, that is some serious abundance. But there are other factors too. How hot are the women you are hooking up with? For me personally, sleeping with one 9/10 gives me the same feeling of abundance as ten 5/6s. If you have a threesome, obviously that will give you more a feeling of abundance than if y…
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:16 PM
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I'd say that is her most likely reaction.
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:08 PM
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I do favor a more targeted approach, but I don't think that we have the same idea of the "abundance mentality". I guess first of all, I should say that I don't believe that abundance can be faked. You either get laid by attractive women or you don't. And if you don't, you aren't going to fool anyone into thinking that you do. Having a woman heavily on your mind for a few days is not what I would call one-itis. To me, one-itis is the tendency of beginners to follow around one woman all night even…
/r/seduction08/02/16 10:02 PM
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Good responses. Personally, I prefer the more romantic route...so instead of "I'm not looking for anything serious", I go with "I'm looking to settle down eventually, but it's gotta feel right." You're essentially saying the same thing, but it comes off as less of a rejection.
/r/seduction08/02/16 08:01 PM
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This. Mix it up. Try something you haven't tried before. Some guys are more comfortable failing than succeeding, and you don't want to be one of those guys. Focus on high return situations.
/r/seduction08/02/16 07:39 PM
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Yeah, we need some more details here. If we're talking about this in an American context, I'm sure any guy who has field-tested this could confirm that the majority of the time, this technique makes for very dry vaginas. It's just so insecure to essentially say on a first date, "yeah, I'm banging two other women right now. I'm thinking you could be the third." Care to elaborate?
/r/seduction08/02/16 07:12 PM
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This sounds like a more realistic scenario. I think it depends a lot on the woman. I have never seen an advantage to being "upfront" as you put it. Women don't expect you to reveal your sex lives to them right away, so why would you do that unless you are woefully insecure and need to prove that women sleep with you?
/r/seduction08/02/16 07:10 PM
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Yes, just press on. Maintain focus and awareness. Those concepts will do more for you than just about any other, I've learned. I know as well as anyone the intensity of the impulse to say something that will completely turn off every woman in the vicinity. Even after you learn and you know when to hold your tongue, you feel antsy afterwards like you are doing something wrong. When you do it enough, you start to feel like a sellout -- like an empty shell of a person. I'm telling you from experien…
/r/seduction08/02/16 07:02 PM
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I'm shuddering at the number of times the word "confidence" was used here, but you are touching on a useful concept. The more polarizing you are, the more women will not be attracted to you (or in your more hubris-laced language "aren't able to deal with the level of confidence you have"). This is why I think that humility is such an important concept at every level of the game. It's great to go from zero to having some success at the game, but you won't reach the upper echelon (in other words, …
/r/seduction08/02/16 06:11 PM
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Keep it up. I honestly believe that if you approach the game in a strategic fashion (practice, evaluating experiences, identifying and remedying issues) you will make a lot more progress than just reading about stuff. In the end, no one can create the perfect "you" except for you.
/r/seduction08/02/16 06:05 PM
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There are a lot of factors involved. It's a question that I have pondered a lot as well. What combination of things makes a person the type of person that people call up and text to hang out? Whatever it is, I never really had it either. This actually reminds me of one of the first birthday parties I tried to invite more "acquaintances" to, and the turnout was abysmal. But I was a much more flawed person back then -- I was so obsessed with getting the "cool kids" to come to my party, that I didn…
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:59 PM
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Nah, you have a way better chance of picking up a hot girl with night game. Hot women get hit on all the time! They already have an entire script memorized of how to dodge all of your efforts and escape quickly. There is practically nothing you can say to a hot woman during day game that she hasn't heard before. Day game works best on women who never get approached (in other words, the not so attractive ones).
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:33 PM
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A lot of women want to see how you behave in a group setting. Going to a party where you know absolutely no one and hitting it off with people instantly is a pretty big achievement in social IQ. It's not for everyone. What happens when you try to kiss them? You get rejected? I guess I can see how you might interpret it as friend zoning....like they aren't attracted, but maybe they want to use you as a jealousy trap for another guy. But then going to a party where you don't know any of the women …
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:28 PM
1

No! Never explain jokes! There are a lot of times when I'll make a joke and people don't get it, but I just treat it like nothing happened. Getting people to hang on your words is an art in itself. The more attentiveness you inspire, the more people will laugh at what you say (sometimes even if it isn't remotely funny). Also never laugh at your own jokes. It took me a while to break that bad habit, but the rewards were amazing when I finally did.
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:20 PM
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Not enough details here. You can't just give us "she doesn't laugh at my jokes" and tell us to evaluate her feelings or lack of feelings for you. Based on limited info though, I'd say it's unlikely that she is into you.
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:17 PM
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It's as if my subconscious is forcing me to give a disclaimer about my idiosyncrasies before I have a chance to give a better presentation of myself. It's best to think of this as a bad habit that just needs to be broken. I suggest that you write or type out the dialog of simulated approaches. Do it regularly, like at least three times a day. Once your brain starts to get into the habit of thinking in good habits, it makes it that much easier to act out the good habits. I don't seem to have any …
/r/seduction08/02/16 05:16 PM
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you have a fundamental problem in your philosophy, that success and self worth is only achieved through external sources. I thought we were talking about confidence, but I'm happy to change the subject if you insist. If I make alot of money I'm successful, if I bang a supermodel I'm successful, if I get a PhD I'm successful. By who's standards are you successful? What is success? If you make a lot of money, then you are successful at making money. If you bang a supermodel, then you are successfu…
/r/seduction04/02/16 10:54 PM
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At least he's smart enough to figure it out. Or I dunno....maybe the other guys have figured it out too, but they haven't made as much money as Strauss, so they have to keep the image up. A lot of pickup material is Dumbo's Magic Feather. It just gives guys the courage to be bold -- and boldness is the truly seductive quality. I personally think it's easiest to just "fly", but some guys are like Dumbo -- they need the Magic Feather to believe in themselves.
/r/seduction04/02/16 09:55 PM
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I'm not dismissing anything; I'm addressing the specific scenario presented in the OP. Self confidence does not need an outside source to justify its existence; true confidence comes from within -- not external sources. That sounds nice and all, but I've just seen too much evidence to the contrary to believe it. Confident people always have the success to back it up. Otherwise they're just posers, and it's obvious to everyone except for them. Furthermore, I think it's counterproductive to achiev…
/r/seduction04/02/16 07:48 PM
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Great post. The one thing I think beginners need to be careful with is the "agree and amplify" thing. If a guy goes too all-in with agree and amplify (and beginners tend to think that everything is a test) it can get annoying and come off as insecure. Girl: You've got a little cowlick going on, huh? Guy: Yeah, my hair is ugly as fuck, but I don't care. Whatever. Girl: You're kind of sensitive aren't you? Guy: Yeah, I'm super sensitive. I read Jane Austen novels for pleasure and take care of shel…
/r/seduction04/02/16 07:26 PM
1

In your OP, you said that the girl you hooked up with suggested it, not the ugly friend. Which is it?
/r/seduction04/02/16 06:36 PM
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That's what it sounded like to me too.
/r/seduction04/02/16 06:33 PM
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I got that through self-confidence (as the foundation, obviously alot more preices are involved) The human brain is terrible at chronology, and yours is no different. You did not get better at game through self-confidence. If anything, you got self-confidence from getting better at game. Sorry to burst your bubble, but all guys who can't get women have confidence issues, and the only way to solve those confidence issues is to get laid. Yea a super hot girl is less intimidating when shes dressed …
/r/seduction04/02/16 03:51 PM
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Mark it zero. Next frame.
/r/seduction04/02/16 03:55 AM
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she could literally walk out in pajamas that people wear to Walmart and look hot Then it's not really an equivalent situation, because if a guy has lost his mojo (think right after a breakup), he couldn't get laid if his life depended on it. Your VS-model looking friend probably gets more attention when she is looking scrubby because men get the "wounded gazelle" instinct going on and think she might be desperate. This has been confirmed from every hot woman I know -- when they put a ton of effo…
/r/seduction04/02/16 03:49 AM
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Theoretically, the IDGAF mentality should be attracting girls and not pushing them into leaving me. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. The real world is much more complicated than the KJ world. If you don't give a fuck about your girlfriend, someone else will.
/r/seduction02/02/16 05:58 PM
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Yeah, dude. I'm sorry, but trying so hard to be "alpha" (FYI, there is no such thing as alpha) is very self-conscious behavior, and men should not be self-conscious. It's her birthday! If there's one day when you can sacrifice a few hours of sleep, that would be it.
/r/seduction02/02/16 05:55 PM
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Yup.
/r/seduction02/02/16 05:54 PM
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It's a combination of things: They don't want to hurt the guy's feelings -- at least not in person They like the validation They want to end the interaction as soon as possible so that they can get on with their day Some guys are extremely persistent, and they don't want to make a scene or feel uncomfortable
/r/seduction02/02/16 05:31 PM
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I can't "fix" that I'm tall and good-looking, homeboy. I also can't help it if guys want to act like bitches. And I don't know where you got "consistently" from "a few times." Sounds like you are the one with the personal issues. Having a strong frame suggests other people react to you, not the other way around. Total KJ. Nothing is this cut and dry. If someone starts shit with you and you can't handle it, that's weak. And you don't seem to understand the concept of "return fire". It doesn't imp…
/r/seduction02/02/16 05:40 AM
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Standing up for yourself and your girl is an example of a strong frame. You need to at least say something, even if you do so calmly and coolly. How I would react depends on whether I think the guy did it on purpose or not. And yeah, I've had guys spill their drinks on me on purpose a few times.
/r/seduction02/02/16 04:04 AM
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I will have to make better use of that, but I also don't want her to get the impression I'm using her, so I have to tread carefully there. Dude, she's kind of "using" you too. I'm not trying to be dramatic or anything -- obviously it could be worse. I don't think that "using" her to get some sex from other women is a truly terrible thing to do since she has said in no uncertain terms that she doesn't want a sexual relationship from you (at least not in the near future, but you would be foolish t…
/r/seduction02/02/16 01:42 AM
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No problem. FYI, I'm not necessarily saying "move on and forget about her". I'm saying that you should keep your eyes on the prize. Every moment you spend thinking about this girl is time wasted. She could be a really valuable asset for you -- kind of like a VIP ticket into the super-hot woman club. It works, trust me. What you want to avoid at all costs is being her orbiter. You say that you don't think she is hooking up with other guys but you only see her twice a month?! Remember, she's cool …
/r/seduction02/02/16 12:42 AM
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I came onto this thread expecting to just post "get laid, problem solved", but it does sound a little more complex than that. But yeah, it's pretty hard to act sane when you have to grind up against the woman of your dreams all night and then watch her do the same with other guys. Maybe Gandhi could handle that, but when you have testosterone on the brain, you are going to get jealous, guaranteed. So you are either throwing a fit externally or suffering internally. Neither of those is a desirabl…
/r/seduction01/02/16 11:06 PM
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"Shame the night has to end like this." "It doesn't have to. I've got some _______ at my place." "That sound good." ....then work out the logistics.... I've obliviously rejected more attractive women than I've had sex with, but all it takes is awareness of where things are headed, and then you are money for the rest of your life.
/r/seduction01/02/16 10:33 PM
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Sounds like you know exactly what you need to do. Yeah, obviously your unwillingness to throw down for her was a dealbreaker. Unfortunately, spilled drink isn't enough of a threat for you to beat him up without legal repercussions, but you should have at least returned fire.
/r/seduction01/02/16 10:29 PM
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In that case, get laid and then you will stop caring what other dudes think of you. As a guy, you aren't bound to your social circle in the way that women are. You can move from circle to circle or even be a lone wolf if you want. Whether or not he is "alpha" is irrelevant (I personally don't believe in the concept of "alpha", but whatever). Winning at the game -- not just the game of seduction, but the game of life -- requires that you don't accept being under anyone's thumb.
/r/seduction01/02/16 10:11 PM
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Like StevieBoyB said, it depends on how she said it, but I doubt it was a shit test. Cold approach is a low-return affair. If it doesn't hook, you kind of just need to accept it. What did you go into after your opener? Next time start with a more indirect buffer conversation and build some sexual tension so that she is more receptive to your compliment. Although it is technically bold to open with "you look fucking stunning", it shows even more chutzpah when you can smoothly transition between n…
/r/seduction01/02/16 09:55 PM
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This isn't totally true. In college especially, you need to protect your reputation with your life. If you can develop a reputation as a sexual guy, then that's great, but if you go overboard and women see you as the guy who is always hitting on women, then that's not a good thing. You shouldn't worry about how strangers perceive you, but your social circle is a different story. A secret society attitude is required.
/r/seduction01/02/16 09:49 PM
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Yes, insta-date FTW. I hope it was me who gave you that advice, but if not, then congrats on discovering the power of the insta-date.
/r/seduction01/02/16 09:47 PM
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There is an old website called "The Ladder Theory" that is painfully inaccurate about a lot of stuff, but there is one think that the guy got right: he basically said that a man's attraction to a woman is based on her physically attractiveness and his perceived chances that he can bang her. I will freely admit that when I was in college, I thought that the women there were the hottest women on the planet. But as I got older, I would go back there every so often, and it seemed like the women were…
/r/seduction01/02/16 09:39 PM
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I don't have enough details to determine whether this is the problem, but I'm just going to go with the most likely scenario here: you might just need to focus more on high-return situations. Find out the what where when why and how people are hooking up and follow those trends. I will relay a story from my college days. There was a place on campus that was centrally located and used as a study hall for all of the students on campus. It was in an old building -- wasn't particularly sexy or visua…
/r/seduction01/02/16 07:26 PM
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Hard to tell from the post, but I'm assuming that you are a female. There is no such thing as alpha. You just have one-itis. For every woman like you, there are a million men who are being unduly submissive to someone who just isn't into them. The answer is the same for both sexes: he/she is just not that into you. Move on.
/r/seduction01/02/16 07:10 PM
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The Elon Musk Method: be a billionaire. Unfortunately, the Elon Musk Method can lead to unfavorable divorce settlements and extreme one-itis for women like Talulah Riley (whom I will admit is pretty sexy, but with his fortune he could easily have a harem of women better looking than her if he had any skills).
/r/seduction01/02/16 07:05 PM
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A woman's attraction is more feeling-based, and feelings can be pretty deeply ingrained. But there is no guarantee that she won't change her mind. Every woman is worth a shot. You just need to know when it's a lost cause and move on.
/r/seduction01/02/16 07:02 PM
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Right. I agree with that. I'm just suggesting that you put in the effort to not text girls who repeatedly reschedule things with you. It's a habit, and trust me, you need to break it if you're going to end up as the kind of guy who is successful with women. You don't want to be the guy that women use for token validation, you want to be the guy that they use for sex.
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:57 PM
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As I said on the other thread, awareness! You need to be in a state of communion with the world and the people around you! I have pretty serious anxiety as well. All that means is that it will be harder for you to behave in a socially acceptable way in public, but it's never impossible. If you dedicate your life to it, you may end up being better than the "normal" people. Put in the work. Surprise yourself. It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what needs to change, so just do it!
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:32 PM
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The initial stage is over, so it's definitely better to mirror her enthusiasm at this point. Something happened that is out of your control. Maybe an ex, or maybe another guy. Anyway, just put her on the back burner. I've been with some of the shyest most introverted women and some of the wildest craziest most extroverted women, and they all have one thing in common: when they want to go out with you, they will say "yes". It's got nothing to do with her personality, trust me. If she's waffling a…
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:28 PM
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Southeast Asia?
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:22 PM
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The problem is that you are going for numbers. Go for the insta-date and use numbers as a backup plan. Then you get a few insta-dates going, and you forget about the women whose numbers you got. They are on the back burner, which is where they should be. So when you text them, you are less desperate and everything works out. TLDR: Push the envelope, go for it, be bolder.
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:20 PM
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Awareness and humility. The two kind of go hand-in-hand, because when you are truly aware of the woman in front of you, it can be a real ego-bruiser. These two things will get any guy laid more than "be confident." Maybe it's just that some of you guys aren't old enough, but the advice "be confident" is as old as it gets. If it worked, no one would have started this Sub. Nothing is that simple. It's having a satisfying sex life that makes guys confident, not the other way around.
/r/seduction29/01/16 11:18 PM
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Yup, almost overlooked that one.
/r/seduction29/01/16 09:04 PM
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Yeah, as a math guy, I've always dug this type of thinking. Another way of putting it is that mobility (the number of choices one has) is an essential element of any computer-generated strategy. If there are less possible options, then the strategy becomes less powerful. This all breaks down when you account for women who are not the norm -- ones that are excellent seducers themselves. They have a way of making men feel that the man is doing the seducing even though she is the one who initiated …
/r/seduction29/01/16 12:08 AM
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The fashion scene. Hollywood. Rock bands.
/r/seduction28/01/16 11:51 PM
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That she's lazy in bed and probably insecure about the way she looks.
/r/seduction28/01/16 11:50 PM
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You need a new profile then. Remove all the text and replace it with something simple like "Hey ;)". Have some female friends help to pick out your two or three best pictures and use those. It's just a matter of figuring out what works. Trial and error. Right now you are making some sort of error, so switch up the strategy until you find the right one. Definitely don't give up.
/r/seduction27/01/16 09:53 PM
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Sorry, I didn't read the whole thing, but I got the impression that you are focusing only on girls you know, and that you are waiting around for girls to message you. It sounds like you are uniquely attractive, so get on Tinder and start making a proactive effort to get with hot women. Hot girls aren't going to chase you down -- you have to get them on your own. In other words, stop being afraid of the unknown and stop being so passive. You have a fast lane to the promised land, so the sooner yo…
/r/seduction27/01/16 08:15 PM
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You can't. Fake confidence is worse than an authentic lack of confidence. Everyone (especially women) will know that you are faking it.
/r/seduction27/01/16 08:09 PM
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It's aimed at professional actors. I do believe that voice, posture and movement are essential elements of attraction. I saw a huge difference in my life as a result of fixing those things, so I recommend them. I think it's even more important than seduction. openatm.org
/r/seduction27/01/16 08:00 PM
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I'm not a big fan of sloppy seconds either, but it's never been an issue for me. Expand your social circle. Focus on women that you have loose connections with. It's more exciting that way anyway.
/r/seduction26/01/16 08:58 PM
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She has abundance Bingo. Only a few men on this earth are familiar with the abundance that a really hot woman has (Brad Pitt, David Beckham, Michael Jordan, Johnny Depp, George Clooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc.)
/r/seduction26/01/16 07:03 PM
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"don't get too bored because I'm not there" Whether they respond sarcastically or literally doesn't matter. I really don't think this is a good line. What purpose does it serve?
/r/seduction26/01/16 06:24 PM
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This is the problem with throwing around a term like "shit test" that could literally mean anything. It leads to paranoia. Women test a guy's frame because when he "passes" those tests, it will turn her on. You already passed this woman's tests a long time ago. She isn't testing you, she just wants some affection. Humans were genetically engineered by evolution to do stuff for each other. It feels good. A meal made by your girlfriend is going to taste better than one you make yourself. A gift re…
/r/seduction26/01/16 06:19 PM
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Just to clarify, when I say looks, personality, status and earnings, I mean in the aggregate. So (for arguments sake) a really good looking guy with a great personality but not much status or earnings would be above the "average" threshold overall and should be able to achieve 1 in 20 odds. Whatever your situation is, you need to own that. While I'm not autistic, I did have my issues to work through, just as any other guy does. It will take a lot of work, and it will be painful, but the old sayi…
/r/seduction26/01/16 05:36 AM
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Yeah, that is definitely something that happens. Glad I could offer some help. Guys are more unique than we give ourselves credit for.
/r/seduction26/01/16 01:37 AM
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I'm going to give you some advice that might be a bit harsh, but just remember that I only learned this from going through the same thing that you are going through. You are probably dating way below your potential and you don't even know it. 100%....so basically, these women think you are out of their league, but then you sleep with them and they think they have a chance. And you aren't into any of them long term, so it stands to reason that they are below your relationship threshold. The solut…
/r/seduction26/01/16 12:18 AM
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Relax and do what comes naturally. That's pretty much the extent of it. Anything else is BS. Humans are very in tune with body language on a primal level, so the more you "try" to do certain things, the more uncomfortable you will make other people. Body language is programmed into you, so just let the program do the work.
/r/seduction26/01/16 12:04 AM
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I'm a hockey player, so ice skating Way to play to your strengths. Great start. Nice job.
/r/seduction26/01/16 12:00 AM
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Ah, I see now. Wasn't obvious, especially on Seddit.
/r/seduction25/01/16 04:31 PM
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Calling a girl a slut pretty much outs you as a low value man.
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:52 PM
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ONS and FWB is what you should be aiming for. Be the discreet lover -- not part of all that drama going on with her sorority life. As far as how hard or how easy, I don't know. Depends on your game. Most women in college will be afraid of going outside of their bubble, but if the school has 40K students, 20K women, maybe 200 hot ones who are bored with frat guys....you just need to find and succeed with those ones. In other words, you need game -- same as any other situation.
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:50 PM
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Best idea.
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:46 PM
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That's because eye contact is supposed to be natural. It's the result of a successful seduction, not the cause. Eye contact can be generalized to non-verbal communication. In general, non-verbal communication is powerful. You aren't going to be able to read a guide on it, because it is more deeply ingrained in our psychology than speech. It goes back to our primate ancestors. Studies have shown that everyone (except autistic people perhaps) is capable of reading body language. http://www.forbes.…
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:43 PM
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What's the problem? If you aren't interested, don't text her.
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:31 PM
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Yeah, just be glad you are able to quickly screen the ones who aren't into pre-marital sex. I'm sure the percentage is higher among mormons, but for Catholics you eventually just get an instinct going on where you can pick out the ones who are down and the ones who aren't. The mistake is just to assume from the get-go that they aren't down, because enough are.
/r/seduction25/01/16 03:30 PM
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You can say something like, "I liked the leggings idea better, but it's up to you." Seems like you are being a bit too idgaf for what most women prefer. Women want to be wanted.
/r/seduction23/01/16 03:58 PM
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My advice for this kind of stuff is always to just read more. I had trouble coming up with stuff to say in college because I was just looking at numbers and solving problem sets all day. There was nothing in my head that could be of any interest to women. Diversify the ways that you spend your time, and you should become more comfortable making conversation.
/r/seduction22/01/16 09:39 PM
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There is a difference between observation and assumption.
/r/seduction22/01/16 09:35 PM
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No, that's a natural human response. We have it built into primitive parts of our brain to maintain consistency in our interactions and to prefer that people we know maintain consistent interactions as well. The obvious solution is to flirt with girls you don't yet know.
/r/seduction22/01/16 08:28 PM
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Not necessarily. You just sound a bit lazy. I think most guys come on here ready to put in the work required to get results. You seem to want more of a quick-fix infomercial type solution. Nothing in life works that way.
/r/seduction22/01/16 08:26 PM
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I do think that you revealed your vulnerabilities a little prematurely, but I don't think you need to worry all that much. She is the cougar and you are the cub, so there will always be a mother-son vibe going on. You can be quite a bit needier with a cougar, but I think you really need to pull yourself out of this funk you're in. You've had a nice little layoff. Come back as a man. Grow a pair, set a date, drive over to her town and meet up with her. Don't worry about being "alpha" or whatever.…
/r/seduction22/01/16 04:00 PM
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Multiple women do this? It all sounds very strange to me. In my experience, very attractive women don't have big egos at all -- quite the opposite. If anything they feel cursed by their beauty and ignore it at any possible chance. This sounds like KJ to me, but whatevs.
/r/seduction22/01/16 03:55 PM
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So instead of thinking of myself as a plain-Jane guy, how can I think of myself as however attractive I actually am? You are barking up the wrong tree here. It's not about you, it's about her. Take it from me (a guy that most women would consider attractive): without anything else going for you, being good-looking will get you 5s and 6s at best. If you want high value women, you need to have game.
/r/seduction22/01/16 03:51 PM
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If I keep at it, I can 'achieve' the hotter girls out there. All you've talked about is the women you have lost interest in. Have you had a girlfriend? A fling? A one night stand? I don't think low self-esteem is the culprit, I think it's more the opposite. You think that you have "achieved" these girls just because they are attracted to you, but you really haven't achieved anything. You can't walk away a winner if you fold every hand. I suppose ostensibly that a guy could never need to tackle t…
/r/seduction22/01/16 03:48 PM
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Seduction and SMV are mutually exclusive in my mind. SMV is superficial. It is primitive and unemotional. Both men and women can be sexually attracted to a person they do not have feelings for. Seduction governs emotions to conscious thought and everything in-between. It is much more powerful than SMV, but since so few people know how to harness it, SMV rules most people's lives.
/r/seduction22/01/16 07:27 AM
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Men want to fuck hot women. Women want to fuck hot/rich/powerful men. That is the normal way that things go. Your level of "fuckability" is what the community calls your Sexual Market Value or SMV. Without seduction, you only have access to women with a lower SMV than you. In other words, that is your current situation. The whole point of seduction is to attract women who would otherwise be out of your league.
/r/seduction21/01/16 07:52 PM
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I was referring to As a result, I start treating them like very precious and worthy diamonds, and all my seduction skills flop as a result.... Your seduction skills are not flopping because the women are rare, precious or worthy. Abundance is the result of successful seduction skills, not a means of acquiring them.
/r/seduction21/01/16 07:13 PM
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Countless experiences with women forgetting about me over what seemed like a short period of time. Swingers was a huge movie when I was younger. We all thought that the longer you waited to call (texting wasn't a thing yet), the more she would want us. The thing was that I had the sense of urgency in me, I was just afraid to obey it because I was worried about being wrong or creeping her out or appearing too needy. Looking back, there were countless times when I had (accidentally) achieved full …
/r/seduction21/01/16 06:21 PM
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Yes, frequenting third-world countries is one proven way to bed hot women. Beauty is abundant and money is at a premium, so it's more of a transactional relationship than anything. Best advice for any man who wants to date a ten in the USA or similar developed country: respect the strength of loose ties. Social proof is your friend. Here is how I met the most beautiful women I have dated: classmate friend of roommate acquaintance of friend that I went out with every weekend acquaintance of roomm…
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:55 PM
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It sounds to me like you've been reading too much. The abundance mentality cannot be faked, and that's okay because it's not necessary to succeed. It will make things easier -- no doubt about that -- but it's not a prerequisite to successfully bedding 8s, 9s and 10s. 10s are (by definition) rare. It's okay to think of them as rare and precious and beautiful, because they are. Where a lot of guys lose in the high-SMV women game is that they objectify beautiful women. They think of them as trophie…
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:47 PM
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Sweet cheeks.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:40 PM
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"Cocky" is a slippery word. I'm against the idea that any beginner should endeavor to "be cocky" because it rarely works out the way it's supposed to. Realize that women will often have a different idea of what a word means than men will, and "cocky" is one of those terms. Their idea of "cocky" is a lot more subtle than the way a guy would interpret it. A woman's definition is closer to "suave" or "smooth-talking" whereas a man's definition is more of a Muhammad Ali "I'm the greatest" shtick.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:38 PM
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In other words, your male-female interactions are completely in line with the hierarchy of Sexual Market Value (SMV) that permeates everyone's life. All this means is that you are not seducing. For men and women alike, the whole point of seduction is to defy the SMV hierarchy that most people think of as immutable.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:33 PM
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Well, your options will be limited for the time being. I hope you are saving a lot of money while living at home. Look to the future.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:30 PM
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Let's all be honest with ourselves here: true cold approach is creepy. If you walk up to a girl with whom you have no prior connection, have made no eye contact and who has given you no indication that she has any interest in talking with you, it goes against basic social rules. When sexual attraction is not involved, the word is "annoying". Jehova's witnesses, panhandlers, petitioners....and the less they care that you aren't interested, the more annoying it is. Don't approach without having so…
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:29 PM
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I've never heard that adage before, but no, I don't think that it's always or even most often true. Some women are good at flirting with men they are into, some aren't. Same as men.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:23 PM
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My advice for you and a lot of other guys on here is the same: stop relying on the get her number, text for a bit, ask her out on a date way of doing things. I'm really starting to like her, to be honest, her personality.... Whether or not you like a woman the first time you meet her, you need to establish yourself as a sexual threat early on in the relationship. Seduction starts in the first few seconds of contact. First priority is quick sex. If that isn't possible (and most of the time it won…
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:18 PM
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The thing is that it is totally natural for any handsome guy with above average social proof to do this to a woman that he isn't attracted to, and from what I can tell, you were not attracted to this girl. The assumption seems to be that if it works on one woman, it will work on all of them. If only it were that easy.... The point of seduction is to defy the hierarchy of SMV.
/r/seduction21/01/16 05:09 PM
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I don't know. I wouldn't personally call it seduction. It's like if a girl who posts a bunch of bikini pics on Instagram tells you that she's a model. It's Dumbo's Magic feather. If you already think she's hot it might stimulate your imagination a bit and get you excited. Or maybe you think she's hot, you know she's lying about being a model and you don't care because it doesn't change your view of her. Or maybe you don't think she's hot. Her telling you that she is a model probably won't change…
/r/seduction20/01/16 08:56 PM
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Yes, a lot of the stuff will just fall into place. Trust me on the hard work thing. It pays off. If you can dedicate a few hours a day to Voice and the Actor and openatm.org, you will see results in a few months. I promise. You won't even remember all the times you've been rejected when you start to get things going. It will just be a distant memory.
/r/seduction20/01/16 04:08 PM
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As far as I am concerned DHV story must be told and conveyed subtly to the point where it doesn't come off as bragging. I have yet to see an example of that. Women are much more perceptive than men, so to me the idea that a man is going to subtly trick a woman into thinking he is high value is ridiculous. Women have automatic value evaluation built into their brains much like how men can tell how good a woman's body is without her taking her clothes off. We each have our own genetic gifts. What'…
/r/seduction20/01/16 04:06 PM
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Sure thing! See guys? It's so effective that even just talking about it can get you a date. LOL
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:57 PM
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You are right. Investment should be mutual or thereabouts. If you invest too much too early, she will see you as desperate. If you invest too little, she will see you as not interested. There is actually a pretty big range of the difference in investment during a male-female interaction, but without being aware in the first place, many guys will fall outside of that range anyway.
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:50 PM
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Voice and the Actor by Cicely Berry has everything you need. As others have said, a great deal of it is just repetition and practice.
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:47 PM
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Instead of launching into a story like "I went to South America, it reminds me so much of....", downplay it. Say it like it's no big deal. "Spent some time in South America a few years ago" or "just got back from South America". If she doesn't respond to that, then she's not into you, and talking more about South America isn't going to change her mind. In the minds of Millenials, older people tell way too many stories and take way too long to tell them. We have been programmed with substantially…
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:45 PM
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IMHO, you are better off for not knowing. Most girls will interpret your DHV as DLV. The rules of social interaction have not changed for thousands of years. Guys who brag about their accomplishments are insecure. Guys who downplay their accomplishments are confident and don't need validation. Women know this, and if you don't think they know this, you don't know much about women.
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:38 PM
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That means your plan is not as original as you thought it was. Be the exception to the rule.
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:35 PM
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Bingo!
/r/seduction19/01/16 07:34 PM
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Exactly. Rest assured, if you are a dude and you get really flexible and good with yoga, women will come up to you and comment on your skill (which may not be that great, but relative to other guys you will look like a rock star). It's the same story with salsa class. Anytime the pigeonhole principal is working in your favor (i.e. any time there are more women who meet your standards of beauty than there are men) you should be less aggressive.
/r/seduction19/01/16 05:17 PM
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Yes, creating a sense of urgency without being needy is a basic tenet both in sales and dating. It's especially important with women because you want to come off as a guy who knows what he wants and isn't afraid of women. "Taking things slow" is her job. Obviously don't be pushy or aggressive, but keep things moving.
/r/seduction19/01/16 05:12 PM
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No, you are just suffering the consequences of human psychology. You have been typecast as the nice guy, but the reality is that you will change a great deal over the next five years and that you can be whatever type of guy you want to be. I would just implore you not to pursue a "type" based on what other people say will get women, because other people are -- by and large -- idiots. Be the best version of yourself that you can be. Working on your voice, your posture, your health, your creativit…
/r/seduction19/01/16 03:57 AM
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A few more suggestions that I didn't have time to get to this morning: If you want to go direct, go to places where direct works best: night clubs, wild parties, cruises and/or beachy vacation spots, etc. If your voice is the issue, pick up Voice and the Actor by Cicely Berry and do the exercises. If your movement or posture may be an issue, do some yoga, get to the gym, go to openatm.org and do those exercises. Basically, if you think something may be an issue, don't just accept it, do somethin…
/r/seduction18/01/16 04:56 PM
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I guess I will stick to my car since I live in a small apartment with no guest room of course. Also, I wont be dorming in college, I'll be with my parents in the apartment unfortunately. I guess if I have that kind of chance I will go for using my car. Is it possible to get a part-time job? My parents didn't give me shit when I started college, so I got a part-time job and eventually moved into a shared room situation. It will help out a lot with everything. You should consider it. Let me put it…
/r/seduction18/01/16 03:59 PM
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Let's start with this: I don't have my own place let alone my own room. The very first pickup that I did (before there was such thing as pickup) I was 19 and lived with my parents. I didn't have my own place. I had my own room, but there is no way I would have taken a female in there because my mom would have known exactly what was happening. We had sex in the guest room and in my car. Improvise if you need to. It's more exciting that way anyway. I'm guessing that you are in the dorms. Work out …
/r/seduction15/01/16 08:08 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean in your last paragraph. You can build all sorts of relationships with women because they all want different things. If a woman is intent on having sex with you quickly, would you find that unsatisfying? If a woman wants to wait until she gets married to have sex, would you find that untenable? Your method of interacting with women will have a huge effect on whether sex is on the table or not, so you should definitely figure out what you want and tailor your method to t…
/r/seduction14/01/16 12:28 AM
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You have some wiggle room. I mean, if you've been texting consistently, you don't want her to think you are ignoring her, but you also can't be too available prior to the meet. Recognize that it's college, so you can consider anyone who goes to your school as somewhere between a stranger and a friend because of the instant rapport that going to the same school will give you. The hard and fast rule to follow is that if you want someone to fall for you, you need to give them room to fall. I wrote …
/r/seduction13/01/16 11:06 PM
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I would reply w something like "Jones is good for now, but I'll think of something better. Gnite!"
/r/seduction13/01/16 03:22 AM
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One of my suggestions was to set a meet for your first available time slot. Now you know why. Definitely don't ask if she's still up for meeting. You shouldn't even have re-asked the first time, so don't triple-ask. You assume that she will not change her mind (but if she does change her mind, act like it's no big deal). The day before, text her something purely logistical like "meet at the flagpole @ 9am. See you there ;)" Again, if she cancels just act like it's no big deal. Say something like…
/r/seduction13/01/16 02:36 AM
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Pain, the sinking or burning sensation in one's chest. Your emotions sorting themselves out. Grief.
/r/seduction12/01/16 08:39 PM
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Guy who is often seen with a very hot girl here. This is true, but there was a long space of time between my hundred failures and my ultimate success. There was a period of wanting to take revenge on women for rejecting me for all those years, there was a period of getting used to the idea of now being a guy that girls actually wanted and not knowing how to properly handle it, there was a period when I actually had to reject really beautiful women so that I could wait it out for one who was trul…
/r/seduction12/01/16 04:31 PM
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Are we talking about friend zone situations? It works, but it's no replacement for seduction. A lot of times she'll put in some effort to get you back on the hook and get that validation she has been missing out on, but you're still in the friend zone. For exes, it definitely works. The whole "let's be friends" after we break up thing leads to a lot more drama than just disappearing and then every so often having some hot steamy passionate ex sex. I don't want to be the only one investing, so I …
/r/seduction12/01/16 04:26 PM
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I would text her within 24 hours of getting her number and ask about your next available slot. If she says she's busy, then wait for her to reply with a counter-suggestion. Don't come at her over and over again like, "how about Wednesday? No? How about Thursday?" There needs to be balance in the interaction. If she isn't playing ball, don't get pushy. Just stop texting. You're in college, there are thousands of women.
/r/seduction12/01/16 04:31 AM
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Notice that this is not seduction per se, but it is logistics. The more women you can get some alone time with, the more likely you will be able to seduce them. Potential insta-dates on college campus: You are talking with a girl after a morning class and you both have a break in the action. "You look a little sleepy." "Yeah, well, it's early." "Wanna grab some coffee? I'm buying." "Sure!" After drama class.... "Hey, I really liked your scene in there." "Yeah, thanks!" "What are you working on f…
/r/seduction12/01/16 02:20 AM
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Well, first off let's agree that no man on earth can have any woman he wants. These superstars who have 100 women waiting in line at their hotel room could go on the street and get rejected 100 times easy. A lot of times these guys with huge egos just don't like to believe that women don't want them. Look at Bill Cosby, Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, Mystikal, Darren Sharper, Alex Da Silva....money and power can go to a person's head. Famous men are way less likely to be seductive. A long time ago, I …
/r/seduction12/01/16 02:06 AM
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Yeah, that's a good fail-safe mechanism -- a decent band-aid -- but it's not so much an idea. It's a good way to prevent digging yourself too deep into the neediness hole. Any time you feel forced communication or the neediness coming through, you should cut the conversation short, take some time to yourself and mentally go back over what was said in the same way a chess player goes back over his moves in a game that he lost. What did she say, what did you say, and what could you have said that …
/r/seduction12/01/16 12:34 AM
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This is interesting stuff, but are we talking about the first time a guy falls in love? Like the very first time? There's a term in computer science called the horizon effect which basically means that the right path may contain a lot of stuff that seems really bad, but if you can't see far enough into the future to where it turns around and becomes the best path, you will choose a suboptimal path. And with relationships, that suboptimal path can be pretty bad because the optimal path will have …
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:57 PM
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Yup, this is pretty key. Definitely the right road to head down. "Just be confident" or "be outcome independent" isn't going to help anyone who isn't already confident or outcome independent. Once you reach the end of the game, you start to realize that it's all about awareness. The problem is that if you were to tell a newb "it's all about awareness", they would be like, "yeah, right, whatever, I'm gonna go pay $50 for a boot camp from a guy who says he lays 50 new women a year."
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:39 PM
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Naturals generally don't get convicted of rape.
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:36 PM
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Personally, if after a date a girl accepts an invitation up to my place and then rejects me for sex, I wouldn't take it any further. It's good that you recognize this (you called it a bad move). I enjoy the courtship, but the courtship should take place outside of the home just so that all the signals are clear. Once I start getting mixed signals, I would start to wonder. In my available memories, I cannot recall a time when a woman came into my place after a date and we didn't have sex, but the…
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:30 PM
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Read The Art of Seduction. It's one of the few resources for seduction that endeavors to be gender neutral.
/r/seduction11/01/16 08:12 PM
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I don't know about all that. Not everything is about strength versus weakness. This question is more about her own self worth. I think if you overreact to the question and see it as a strength versus weakness thing, you invite her to question your strength.
/r/seduction11/01/16 08:06 PM
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Thanks! It's funny how things change when you get older and reflect on all the stuff that has happened, good and bad. I had a rough childhood with little to no affection. I'm sure a lot of guys here have similar stories. The feeling of inadequacy with women when I was young was extremely intense, and I left my scruples at the door for several years of my life, hurting a lot of people along the way. It was only when I got serious about having a good life and focused on doing the right thing that …
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:51 PM
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That is all social circle drama where everyone knows each other. OP is talking about cold approach. When I was younger, more insecure, more desperate and more angry at the world, I pretty much only ended up with women who had boyfriends and husbands. Looking back, it was just a waste of time. So yeah, don't try to condescend, young man, I've got more experience with women under my belt than you can fathom. If you want to have a little romp on the dark side of things, have fun, but just know that…
/r/seduction11/01/16 04:18 PM
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I disagree. Looks have always been the most important thing to me. I have more experience with other guys' women than I do with completely single ones. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that karma isn't some cosmic force that makes things happen to you. Karma is inside of you. No matter how much you might think that you have defeated your conscience, it's in there fucking things up for you when you know you've broken the golden rule. It's something that has evolved in humans over millions …
/r/seduction11/01/16 04:07 PM
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LOL, yes! Has anyone here actually fucked a cold approach target whose first words to him were "I have a boyfriend"? No? That's what I thought. Okay then, let's move on to more useful stuff.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:53 PM
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Um, no....if she says she has a boyfriend when she doesn't, that is one of the strongest signals of disinterest out there. And yes, it is completely creepy to continue to pursue a girl who has made it abundantly clear that she isn't interested.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:51 PM
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This. "Lucky guy. Take care." Move on. Forget it happened.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:49 PM
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Yeah, this will make her panties drop. LOL
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:46 PM
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My woman actually has a canned response for this because she hears it so much: "I don't need any more friends."
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:45 PM
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True, but some guys just don't like the feeling of it. Empathy is a factor. You get that, right?
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:42 PM
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Treating it like a rude question is different than treating like "I don't want to tell you because I'm scared about what you will think" I agree that these are different tactics, but I think they generate similar results in terms of how the woman feels about you.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:38 PM
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This is what 12 year olds tell each other during study hall.
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:46 AM
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Then it just sounds like you are trying to hide something.
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:44 AM
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Finders = keepers.
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:39 AM
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Congratulations on not getting laid (?)
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:37 AM
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No details? Come on dude, add some back story.
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:34 AM
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It's actually not one-itis since this is practically the first time I've really even done this stuff. That makes one-itis all the more likely, my friend. And BTW I actually did send a text today and got a reply.. so at least there's still some chance she has interest. I'm going to try and push myself to just call her tomorrow. Or it's just a pity reply, but I admire your resolve to follow through and carry out the experiment yourself. Good for you not just trusting random dudes on the Internet. …
/r/seduction11/01/16 05:32 AM
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I'm not sure what I'm missing. A sample size of two isn't very big. What you mentioned could easily happen to a guy who is great with women. One of the issues is that you seem to be habitually taking numbers. Isolation/insta-date just works better! It's a core tenet of just about any successful method.
/r/seduction10/01/16 10:51 PM
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You're waiting for them to hit on you? If that's the case, then that's your problem right there. Be the hunter, not the hunted. When I lived in Rome, there were a lot of Brazilians, and some of them were dark-skinned. Go to Brazilian bars and Samba festivals and all of that. There are probably also some hangouts for Africans. Also, sounds like you just need to branch out and try new things. You might be surprised. Sometimes being picky is really about being picky, but sometimes being picky is mo…
/r/seduction10/01/16 10:02 PM
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Bingo. As someone said above, no matter what number you pick, it can be problematic, so giving an exact number shouldn't be an option. Honestly, I haven't really counted my own number. I think guys who judge their sexual prowess by the number of women they've fucked are woefully insecure. Girls you just met usually aren't this direct when they ask the question. It's a lot more likely that you will get questions like this (along with how I would handle them). The basic rule is to take the focus o…
/r/seduction10/01/16 09:57 PM
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I lived in Italy for quite a while, and there was no shortage of thick women. Sounds to me like maybe you are just having some cognitive dissonance. Expand your social circle. It's a big place with millions of women. I'm sure you are attracted to at least 100 sexually available Italian women, so just make a play for those 100, and I guarantee you that at least one of them will have sex with you. In general, Europeans are way easier to get into bed than Americans. No excuses, play like a champion…
/r/seduction10/01/16 09:39 PM
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Bingo! Plausible deniability FTW.
/r/seduction10/01/16 09:32 PM
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First of all realize that it's not just this one flake that is making you sad. This flake may have just been the straw that broke the camel's back. Obvious answer is to get laid. I think that emotional reaction that all guys get as a result of rejection comes down to (1) our basic psychological need to have sex at least once a month and (2) the insecure feeling that I'm not good enough, I'm not handsome enough, I'm not ripped enough, etc. Both of these things can be solved by getting laid. How t…
/r/seduction10/01/16 09:29 PM
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Well, now it sounds like a bad case of one-itis, so yeah, go to the gym or do whatever works for you to forget about her. I wouldn't call or text her again. Next time just be bolder. It's one of the most essential qualities of a seductive person.
/r/seduction10/01/16 08:08 PM
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It's obvious that you don't even know what arguing semantics means. Stop embarrassing yourself.
/r/seduction10/01/16 08:05 PM
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I counter that single counter-example, with a google images search with the word 'actresses' and I call checkmate. You can call whatever you want, but your statement was still wrong.
/r/seduction10/01/16 07:07 AM
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"damn girl you look sexy and fine i wanna fuck u and suck your tithes" Unfortunately that sounds like something in the comments section of a girl's tumblr page. You want to avoid that style of writing methinks. Whatever you say, be cool about it. "Dayum." "Well, hello there." "Nice! Hey I got a meeting in 5 that I need to be semi-flaccid for, but if you could send more of these around 3:30 that'd be greeeeeeat."
/r/seduction10/01/16 04:05 AM
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Best answer so far.
/r/seduction10/01/16 04:02 AM
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You said "actresses who aren't beautiful or at least charismatic aren't famous." I presented one counter-example, which is all that is needed to disprove your universal statement. If you meant "most" or "some" or "about half" or whatever, then you probably should have said it that way. But then if you said it that way, it would have been insignificant, and there would have been no reason for you to say it in the first place. Anyway, generalizing women is one of the worst things you can do if you…
/r/seduction10/01/16 03:59 AM
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If you said "1+1=3", I wouldn't need to refute that either. It's hard to argue with people you feel sorry for. I hope you get laid soon so that you can get over your misdirected misogyny.
/r/seduction10/01/16 02:57 AM
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Suffice to say you know nothing about women, dude.
/r/seduction10/01/16 02:32 AM
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Right, very few women are going to come out and say that they want to come over and have casual sex -- even on Tinder they need plausible deniability. That's where you come in. It's your job to lead the interaction.
/r/seduction10/01/16 02:16 AM
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Tennis players are attractive because they are attractive looking. There are men who obsess over Serena and she is nowhere near the minimum female celeb attractiveness. Again, you are just wrong here. Drake could have just about any woman on earth and he chooses Serena. It's not because of her looks. Actresses that aren't beautiful or at least charismatic aren't famous. That's not what I was talking about, but just to prove your idiotic assertion wrong: one of my favorite actresses is Kathy Bate…
/r/seduction10/01/16 02:14 AM
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Nah, you're just wrong. And I feel like I've been over this with you before. There are millions of men all over the world who obsess over professional female tennis players. Sure they are in good shape and some are pretty cute, but comparatively they are not at the top of the stack. The difference-maker is their achievements. Same with actresses. They are objectively less beautiful than models, but most American men's pick for most attractive woman is an actress. Why? Because actress is just a m…
/r/seduction09/01/16 11:12 PM
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Posture, movement, voice or anything else like that: do not try to make it a certain way. Improving your voice takes work and there is no way around that. No amount of self-help BS is going to replace actually putting in the work. Buy Voice and the Actor by Cicely Berry Read cover to cover and do all the exercises Repeat the exercises It will change your life. I promise.
/r/seduction09/01/16 12:33 PM
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You can be that guy who is 30 and fucking super models on the regular, nothing will really rival that sense of a rush and taboo anymore. I beg to differ on that one. Every guy has different things that give them a rush, but my #1 all-time favorite is walking into a room with a woman and every single guy there turning his head and staring. I will never stop enjoying that.
/r/seduction09/01/16 12:29 PM
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I do "thanks" followed by a return compliment. Find the method that best matches your vibe. If you naturally look imposing/present/confident (like me) then you need to be proactive about showing compassion and humility. If you have more of a shy sweet look, then maybe be more proactive about demonstrating power/confidence? I don't know, I've never really been the second type of guy, but I've seen the way a lot of them work. It's a theory. One thing I know though: balance is beauty and beauty is …
/r/seduction09/01/16 12:21 PM
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I get her number and exchange about 20 texts over the next 2 days. It went alright. At some point she said I could call her anytime after 5, during the week. You say yourself, "it went alright". Why not "it was awesome"? Take it upon yourself to improve these interactions starting from the beginning (you say there were emails before this too, so all of that is also important). There's also the old adage "do not text too much, wait a few days so you don't seem desperate," so I decided to wait and…
/r/seduction09/01/16 12:15 PM
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So guys, what gives in situations like this?I mean it is what it is, nothing you can do just genuinely curious.. Looking for some answers from those who really understand the female mind There is nothing to understand about the "female mind", but it does seem that you have something to understand about life. Realize that when you hookup with a random girl she could have one or more other men in her life at the time. Women deal with that issue in different ways. Some are very business-like about …
/r/seduction09/01/16 12:02 PM
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she doesn't owe me anything and it's not like I can change how she feels about this dude. It's to be expected for her to pursue men that live closer to her as well. I'm potentially willing to look past it and just chill and have fun. Exactly. Just assume that she is fucking the other guy and having a great time doing it. If you still want to hang out with her then go ahead. No expectations. Only positive outcomes are expected when you assume the "worst".
/r/seduction09/01/16 11:56 AM
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Same way you would any other girl.
/r/seduction09/01/16 11:52 AM
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Yup. I see this all the time. Maybe you're not looking hard enough. My ex-gf has dated way out of her league her entire life. She is just a very seductive person.
/r/seduction09/01/16 02:19 AM
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It's Cialdini's principle of consistency (one of the six principles of influence). Our brain is hard-wired to make our behavior consistent -- especially on a person-by-person basis. So if your initial interactions, feelings and words with a woman are strictly platonic, it is difficult to truly be seductive with that same person. With a stranger, you have no previously established interactions, so it's easier to be a seductive person. Same rule from the woman's perspective. If you behave one way …
/r/seduction09/01/16 02:17 AM
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I've never heard anyone say that you have to be nice to girls to attract them. If anything I hear the opposite, "women love bad boys", "stop being a doormat", etc. and men taking that advice way too far. There was an Everybody Hates Chris episode that covered the subject perfectly. Practically everything people say about attracting women is euphemistic, exaggerated or some combination of those two things. Just remember that the truth is usually whispered -- not shouted. And it's rarely simple en…
/r/seduction09/01/16 02:11 AM
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I've heard that Herpes and other STDs are on a meteoric rise right now because of millennials' more lax attitude towards casual sex and use of Tinder and other dating websites. I was gaming back when casual sex was much less common, and even then I was worried about STDs. If anything, it just made me pickier. "Is this girl worth Herpes?" Some of them are so hot that they are worth the risk. LOL. I think HPV is even more worrisome. Condoms do nothing for it and they now think that it causes certa…
/r/seduction09/01/16 02:02 AM
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You brought it up....twice. How could it be that I am the one going off on tangents? For all intents and purposes it was a direct quote. I didn't add or subtract anything.
/r/seduction08/01/16 06:04 PM
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There is no such thing as alpha. The human social structure is inexorably and invariably non-linear. Go back through your posts carefully. Do you really want to play this "you didn't quote me correctly" card? Any person can see that I just rearranged your words in a more orderly fashion and removed some fluff.
/r/seduction08/01/16 05:31 PM
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You saw what I said, but you chose to quote something else because the truth made you look bad. Kinda sad, don't you think? "Social proof" is not "Entourage Game". Also sad that you attempt to reframe this interaction in your favor. You are clearly deep into the PUA cult, and the thing about cult members is that you really can't reason with them.
/r/seduction08/01/16 05:07 PM
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Statistics like that are really irrelevant though. For one thing, a lot of the women who are available to fuck are not "single" per se. The only statistic that matters is total number of attractive women who are sexually available. Southern California is hard to beat by that measure which is why you see so much support here.
/r/seduction08/01/16 04:47 PM
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I want to get a guesstimate of how efficient this sub's techniques are. Personally, I think a guy of above average looks could get laid 7 days a week without seducing anyone if he were so inclined. It's just that most men are not willing to lower their standards of attraction to that level. The real measure of whether seduction is working is whether you are satisfied with your sex life. And satisfaction with one's sex life will lower the sex drive by quite a bit.
/r/seduction08/01/16 03:27 PM
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Wow, you are that insecure? You can't even quote the first thing I said in the thread? The first thing I said in this thread was "For the most part it's just about being seductive...." I really hate to say this because one of my main principals is never to call a person dumb, but we are just on different levels here. This isn't going anywhere. Good luck to you.
/r/seduction08/01/16 03:20 PM
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As 60 Years of Challenge said best "fuck social, being seductive gets you laid" What was the first sentence that I posted in this thread? Quote that for me, please. Social proof is a well-defined concept. Read Cialdini's book if you have any interest. "Being social" is a vague concept, but it has little to do with the concept of social proof. 60's technique is really interesting to me. I think he probably has the most potent technique for turning guys who get little to no sex into guys who can r…
/r/seduction08/01/16 07:16 AM
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You saying it's necessary to maximize results means you believe without it, you will not have adequate success, right? No, I'm saying that any guy can get better results with social proof than without.
/r/seduction08/01/16 06:53 AM
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I'm sorry dude, but your ability to reason is lacking. "People can get results without social proof therefore social proof does not maximize results" simply is not a logical statement. Social proof is a concept that permeates our lives to such a great degree that it is practically axiomatic. When you apply for a job or an apartment you are asked for previous employers/landlords and personal references. When you tell someone where you went to school or where you work and they ask you, "oh, do you…
/r/seduction07/01/16 10:43 PM
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There you go again exaggerating for effect. "Creepy" is an extremely negative social perception. I'm just talking about old-fashioned stranger danger -- something ingrained deep in our primitive brain. If you don't believe in that concept, then you're living in denial, sorry to say. That said, a woman can definitely think you are creepy even if you don't act creepy around them. Some women think that all guys who hang out in clubs (with or without a crew) are creepy. Nothing you can do about that…
/r/seduction07/01/16 10:24 PM
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I didn't say it was 100% necessary. It just makes things so much easier. Women get slapped, pinched, harassed, drugged, dry-humped and any number of other things by guys in clubs. You are a complete stranger. Even if she's horny, she still wants to make sure you aren't going to pull a Bill Cosby. That's where social proof comes in. Mental masturbation? Social proof is one of the few proven scientific concepts that gets discussed in conjunction with seduction. It's easy to say that something isn'…
/r/seduction07/01/16 10:05 PM
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For the most part it's just about being seductive, but there are a few rules about clubs that you should know. The first rule is simply to roll with a crew, preferably one that includes females, for social proof. The second and far more important rule is just to go to a bar/club where a lot of hooking up is taking place. Look around. Are people flirting with each other, laughing, hugging, making out, walking out together? If so, then that's the place you want to be. Are they just sitting around …
/r/seduction07/01/16 09:49 PM
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Yeah, but it sounds like this is your social circle and not just some shmucks that you run into every so often. It's up to you. Just remember that reputation is everything.
/r/seduction07/01/16 09:38 PM
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Among the people in this sub, I am one of the more supportive when it comes to accepting and rolling with women's relationship-hopping tendencies, but this situation is different. You are "cool with" her boyfriend, as in you've hung out with him more than once, had conversations with him, etc.? I was confronted with this situation once. Hot bartender. Her boyfriend was kind of a puppy dog, but he was cool. She had already cheated on him with a married friend of mine, but he just hit it and quit …
/r/seduction07/01/16 08:17 PM
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Just forget about yourself when you are interacting with people. Pretend like you don't exist. Focus on the other person.
/r/seduction07/01/16 08:05 PM
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So many to choose from, but for my taste, I would say Dockweiler. I'm a beach bum, so I go where I thrive.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:32 PM
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People from LA consider it LA -- more specifically the South Bay. The City of LA is shaped like an Alabama congressional district, so a lot of places that are not specifically within the city limits are still called "LA".
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:30 PM
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That's what I'm saying. NYC and SF women have weird location prejudices and don't like to go more than 100 yards from their home. A good night in LA may involve 100-200 miles of driving. It's just part of the culture. Hot women come from all over Southern California to visit one hot spot. It's amazing.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:16 PM
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Are you from LA? What are you hanging around Hollywood for?
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:14 PM
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You are so full of shit. You supposedly are dating two 10s and yet it's not a good place to meet hot women? That doesn't make any sense. And 6 figures in Santa Monica basically means you are lower middle class. I'm betting that's where the anger is coming from.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:13 PM
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The South Bay is still considered LA in common parlance.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:11 PM
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If we're talking about living within an hour's drive of any particular "place to be", I think NYC area and LA area are pretty much equivalent. The thing about LA is that people seem willing to travel more to reach their destination. Despite its reputation as having bad traffic, people flow pretty freely through the area.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:07 PM
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Not true. Glendale/Silverlake/Los Feliz is also a hot spot but more for the 25+ crowd. I pretty much always assume 18-25 on this sub.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:02 PM
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I don't think percentage-wise, but definitely total numbers-wise. It's the most densely populated area in the first world....you just can't beat the numbers.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:59 PM
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Beverly Center, Century City, Santa Monica 3rd street (gotta be the #1 place that models/actresses are scouted), West Hollywood gay club scene, Sunset strip area (around The Standard), The Grove, Miracle Mile....hot women are everywhere.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:57 PM
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If you like Asian-Asians then hit up K-Town, Monterey Park, Alhambra, etc. If you like Americanized Asians hit up any snobby spot like Malibu, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, UCLA, etc.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:55 PM
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Exactly. SoCal is the best place to meet gorgeous women in the world, I think.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:52 PM
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If you can't meet hot women in LA, you can't meet them anywhere. All sizes shapes and types of hot women are in LA.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:52 PM
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I wasn't that impressed with Miami. The women just look kind of weird. Midtown Manhattan, Santa Monica, Westwood/Beverly Hills, Laguna Beach, San Diego/Pacific Beach, and of course Las Vegas on the weekends.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:50 PM
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Whatever she likes of course.
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:46 PM
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It was enough for me to just try to take a genuine interest in everyone, but that's the exact question you asked, so I'm not sure how else to phrase it. One thing that I notice had an inverse correlation with how much I got laid was how wonderful I thought I was. In other words, the less I thought I was the most awesome person on the planet who knew everything about everything, the easier it was to get women into bed. Any asshole can look at someone else and say, "I like this person because they…
/r/seduction07/01/16 05:45 PM
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Yeah, the alpha male crap really needs to stop. The only exception would be if you need to write a book report on A Streetcar Named Desire or something like that. Referring to oneself as an alpha male just screams insecure douche.
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:12 AM
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First and foremost, a number should be your last resort regardless of the environment. Your Plan A should always be quick sex. If it's a party environment, she seems horny and willing, you've got a great place to go, just go for it. Relatively few situations cater to this type of game, but you should be targeting them at every possible opportunity. Your Plan B should be an insta-date or venue change. There are few situations where an insta-date or venue change is not socially acceptable. Practic…
/r/seduction06/01/16 09:51 PM
1

You are doing this to yourself. Either make a bold move so that you know where you stand or just move onto something that doesn't resemble the song "Tainted Love".
/r/seduction06/01/16 09:39 PM
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Date three should be sex. Do something fun and then say, "let's go back to my place." She'll know what's up.
/r/seduction06/01/16 09:38 PM
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There are lots of different types of romantic comedies. I think the most dangerous ones for a guy to try and imitate are the "woman-porn" movies in the Jane Austen tradition where the woman spend the film just going about her business while multiple men vie for her affection. She is free to be fickle, make grievous errors in judgment and take as long as she needs to make her decisions while the guy(s) politely sit and wait for her to work out all her issues and never demand anything from her. Th…
/r/seduction06/01/16 05:27 PM
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This is why it is so useful to be recognized as a sexual threat (i.e. no g-rated platonic friendships). Don't go overboard with it of course, but if you made it known from the get-go that you want her, she won't come back looking for a sterile friendship because she knows that is not what you are about. And again, I'm not saying to completely flip the script, but definitely maintain a balance. Some examples: She sees you hooking up with other women, but you often talk to her in an intimate plato…
/r/seduction06/01/16 04:58 PM
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Yes, but bear in mind that your true goal is to take your initial interaction to the next level. Guys can spend their entire lives never finding that mix of boldness and gentlemanly charm that leaves girls weak in the knees.
/r/seduction06/01/16 04:42 PM
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Did you have a chance if you persisted? All signs point to yes (BE BOLD! for God's sake, it's rule #1) Do you still have a chance? I don't know, you really need to strike while the iron's hot. You can go back and try to rekindle, but she probably thinks you're a pussy now.
/r/seduction06/01/16 03:42 PM
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It all depends on where you live and how much stuff there is to do there. When I've been faced with this situation, it's actually kind of refreshing to go out and do something (you know besides drinking). Local restaurants/cafes, observatory, museum, beach/lake/river, hiking, scenic walks, makeout spot (with a nice view of course), ice cream, theme park, rock climbing/trampoline gym, etc. etc. etc.
/r/seduction06/01/16 03:38 PM
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Normally, I would say "cold approach doesn't work, get an IOI first", but you are on a college campus so you should be able to at least get some polite interaction going. If there is one issue with hitting up random girls on campus, it's that they aren't very desperate. The ones that want to hook up are hooking up and the ones that don't aren't. All of the girls pretty much know where they stand. Have you tried some of the more traditional routes like joining clubs, going to parties/events? One …
/r/seduction06/01/16 03:33 PM
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Oh, okay. I wasn't clear on what you meant I guess. But I still think you are going a little too far down the rabbit hole when you are trying to guess how much attention a woman thinks she deserves. It doesn't sound like you have read the Art of Seduction. Making a woman think that she has you in the palm of your hand and that she doesn't need to put in any work can be extremely seductive if done properly. Avoiding neediness is the only hard and fast rule.
/r/seduction05/01/16 08:08 PM
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I don't know. I think your approach was good, but it may just have something to do with the friend being there. ASD can come in many forms. She doesn't want to appear desperate maybe.
/r/seduction05/01/16 08:04 PM
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How old is she? One thing I've heard from the younger crowd is that they don't listen to voicemails. Texting is king nowadays. Other than that, it sounds like everything went really well. Hard to tell.
/r/seduction05/01/16 07:46 PM
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I completely disagree. Ignoring the woman you are really attracted to just makes you look like a pussy. It's what every chump does. There is no right answer. Putting together the right mix of attention, non-neediness and independence is more art than science. But there are definitely some wrong answers and ignoring the woman that you are most attracted to is wrong. 3 second rule, always!
/r/seduction05/01/16 07:43 PM
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This is consistent with what I have experienced. It's especially true of highly attractive women. They've never felt the pangs of desperation, so their thought process works differently.
/r/seduction05/01/16 07:39 PM
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Yeah, I agree with this. It's an interesting subject, and I would definitely set it apart from pre-selection. Pre-selection: a girl you are banging or have banged gives cues verbal or otherwise to surrounding women that you are coveted. Player/PUA vibe: woman sees you flirting with a bunch of women and picking up a bunch of numbers. The obvious difference here is that a random girl in the club who gives you her number isn't saying or implying anything positive about you. She may just want you to…
/r/seduction05/01/16 07:34 PM
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That didn't make any sense. I mention this because I develop game-playing algorithms -- all of which are results-oriented. I see no way that results can be obtained without being results-oriented. And so your inability to think of any situation where being results-oriented would be the best approach (presumably to get results) completely baffles me. Could you perhaps explain it in a different way?
/r/seduction04/01/16 08:52 PM
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In a game of statistics you choose process-oriented? I'm sorry, please help me make sense of that statement.
/r/seduction04/01/16 02:22 PM
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Are we talking about within one venue or for day game? If we're talking about day game, then you should pretty much leave the most attractive women out of it entirely. Approach women who are giving you IOIs. If women aren't giving you IOIs, then I have no advice for you.... If we're talking about at a certain venue, then no. You should approach the most attractive women first and if you get rejected, quickly move on (do not crash and burn, keep it short and sweet and walk away with your head hig…
/r/seduction04/01/16 03:40 AM
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Very solid advice here. Everyone take heed.
/r/seduction04/01/16 03:34 AM
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If they are offering that information willingly, then there are a few possibilities: You could be giving off a "provider" vibe, in which case they are wiling to give you sex in exchange for money/stuff (and you should know that those types of relationships never last) It might just be a form of rejection that some call a "false disqualifier" (guys do it too). Basically you just clue in on something that the other person says is important to them, and say that you definitely don't meet that crite…
/r/seduction04/01/16 03:32 AM
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Another way of saying it is that you can't make it happen, you can only be prepared for when it does happen. It's kind of like "a watched pot never boils".
/r/seduction04/01/16 02:05 AM
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I have plenty of experience with this. You really don't need to be fluent in a language to hook up with a woman from there. I don't know if it works quite as well from non-English to English as it does from English to non-English...English-speakers are notoriously proud of their language for some reason. Basically just go for it. Your body language should improve immensely. Your fluency in English should also improve, but more importantly your ability to do a lot with a few words will get better…
/r/seduction04/01/16 02:04 AM
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I always let girls sleep over. If you want the girl to leave, then my guess is that you are fucking girls you aren't attracted to -- simple as that. Up your game. Get the girls in your bed that you don't want to leave.
/r/seduction04/01/16 02:01 AM
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Yup, great lesson for anyone trying to learn pickup: ignore anything related to celebs. They don't live a real life like we do, they live in a fantasy world.
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:59 AM
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Well, for one thing minorities definitely tend to date each other more often than not, so that kind of throws a wrench in your theory. Are you only talking about white people? I see a little bit of both. I tend to go for women who look like the opposite of me, but I notice a lot of couples who look a lot like each other in terms of coloration and features. Last place I lived, my neighbors were all blonde haired and blue eyed and all of their girlfriends were blonde haired and blue eyed as well. …
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:58 AM
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Why are you asking?! Such a rookie mistake. They may be looking to have fun, but when you ask that question, they give the socially acceptable answer. What's worse is that now that they have said they are only interested in a relationship, they will stick to that story. A key aspect of "having game" is being able to properly answer her questions about what your long-term plans are without painting yourself into a corner. Breaching that topic on your own would be like a defense team introducing t…
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:53 AM
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Well, I don't know about all that. If you get strong IOIs from a girl it doesn't matter if she works at PetCo or Chuck E. Cheese or whatever, you should go for it. The problem here is that daytime + work = women who are not horny or desperate. They are only open to advances from the cream of the crop type guys. If you go to a New Year's Eve party with a bunch of drunk 20-somethings all making out with each other, you could probably walk up to 10 girls, introduce yourself, give them a compliment,…
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:48 AM
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Don't be results-oriented? Are you serious?
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:44 AM
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True. Could have been much worse.
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:43 AM
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It's okay to get your feet wet with hired guns, but just make sure that you move on quickly to scenes where women are available and horny. Learn to love the game-time pressure that comes with it. Don't be afraid to succeed!
/r/seduction04/01/16 01:42 AM
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Disclaimer: This post only applies to American culture. I acknowledge that things are different in other cultures. There are all sorts of combinations that work, but I personally think that the optimal timeline involves a guy in his late twenties meeting a girl in her early twenties, they date for a few years and then get married. Why? If a woman gets married too young, she often feels trapped and ends up cheating on the guy If the guy gets married too young, he will often lack the experience wi…
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:45 AM
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It is much harder, but remember that the rewards are greater. College is a bit of a crutch. Like you said, friends are handed to you on a silver platter. It's automatic. So if you can foster a social life outside of college, you will be a very impressive person. Thinking about how I did such a thing, it mainly comes down to getting outside of the house. Work, activities, neighbors, favorite places to hang out, etc. Meet people there. Pitch a place to go afterwards. Meet their friends. It's basic…
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:31 AM
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I never understood why guys try to establish casual hookup or FWB type situations and then transition those into relationships when it's so much easier to get into a whirlwind romance with a girl and then transition that into either a full-on committed relationship or a casual hookup type relationship depending on how you feel. In other words, I believe that it is much easier to scale back commitment after a length of time than it is to add it on.
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:25 AM
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Any time you try to pre-empt a woman from flaking, it will come off as insecure. You can try to make it sound casual or funny or quirky or whatever, but it still won't work. The no-flake techniques that I have heard of basically amount to inviting a woman out to somewhere you are going to be with other people anyway, and they can either show up or not and you don't care. So technically it's not "no-flake" in that she can still flake. It just won't be as noticeable. I think that is more for guys …
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:19 AM
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Should you target sorority girls? No. If a woman is giving you "insane IOIs", should you resist the temptations to make excuses for not approaching her and just go for it? Yes.
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:08 AM
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Making excuses why she is with this guy will do nothing to help, sorry to say. In general, when you see a guy who has success with a woman that you want, you should ask yourself "how can I be more like this guy?" That is not to say that every woman is with the right guy, but you definitely need to give women more credit. I've learned more from women about seduction than I have learned from men. While they don't always make the best decisions, they seem to have a much deeper understanding of the …
/r/seduction02/01/16 08:03 AM
1

East Asian supremacy? This is terrible advice.
/r/seduction02/01/16 07:14 AM
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Yeah, I think that is a big part of the problem: "need".
/r/seduction02/01/16 07:12 AM
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Trying to be as objective as possible, I find him to be the complete opposite of myself. You cannot be trying that hard to be objective if you are overlooking the objective facts here: she is currently with the other guy and not you. That's objective. Opinions about your relative value to this other guy are subjective -- very subjective. Less about this specific situation and more about your approach to life in general, I recommend that you start accepting the portion of objective reality that y…
/r/seduction01/01/16 09:32 PM
1

Yes! I'm glad other people get it. A democratic marketplace of ideas that isn't being used to sell someone's pickup product is profoundly rare on the internet. We should celebrate its existence.
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:37 PM
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Bingo!
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:36 PM
1

But there are so many pickup sites on the internet that are heavily moderated and targeted towards one specific dogmatic way of thinking. If you don't like the marketplace of ideas, you can always spend your time on those sites. Believe it or not, what worked for you may not work for other people. I personally don't like the cargo cult science approach regardless of whether or not people get results. It's possible to think for yourself, do your own thing, and get even better results than you cou…
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:35 PM
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It's over, and yes you probably should have fucked her (the term "f-close" makes me cringe...sorry!).
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:29 PM
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As a guy who has had sex with women of all sorts of ethnicities and combinations of ethnicities, I think one of the most important things to do is just to be as colorblind as you can possibly be. I think the term "pedestal" is overused in this sub, but it seems to be relevant in this case. You are putting white women on a pedestal (and I can't for the life of me see why), which will make it very difficult to get what you want from them.
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:27 PM
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I'm seeing this girl (already went on three dates with her) and I'm not sure where do I stand with her. On the second date I got kiss rejected, but I brushed it off and kept smiling and talking with her. It's great that you kept it from getting awkward, but just know that this is a terrible sign. This time I was the one who text first. I said that it was great beeing with her again. We exhange 1 or 2 texts about something we talked about the date and then I said "So, next month I'm free from day…
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:23 PM
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Sometimes boldness is all it takes. Depends on how experienced and demanding your target is.
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:18 PM
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Yup. Boldness is at the core of seduction.
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:18 PM
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Again, unless a girl lives in New York she will not get approached by up to 10 guys a day. That's not a thing that actually happens. Yes it does. I don't live in New York and my past three relationships (each in a different city within 500 miles of each other) were with women who took extreme measures to keep guys from trying to talk to them when they are alone in public -- headphones, always looking down, etc., and that didn't even eliminate the problem. Guys making a motion as if to ask them t…
/r/seduction31/12/15 09:29 AM
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Eh, you are of the mind that pickup artists are somehow extraordinary and have nothing in common with "most guys" who are clumsy, awkward, etc. Personally, I think that type of "I'm the exception" thinking never helps. You think a woman cares whether a guy considers himself a pickup artist or not? Hell no. All of that is (or at least should be) transparent to them. Who does day-game? A lot of guys, but they don't call it that. They refer to it as a more socially acceptable term like "flirting" o…
/r/seduction30/12/15 09:14 PM
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Often times when women say that, they mean "guys I am attracted to are chicken shit and never approach." But I don't know, maybe you live in a place that is very different from where I live. Highly attractive women here get approached about once for every hour they spend in a public place alone.
/r/seduction30/12/15 04:36 PM
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Don't move too fast just means to take things step by step. Start with just getting in close and looking deep into her eyes. If she responds positively, then break the touch barrier by putting your hand on her arm or her lower back or something like that. If she responds positively, then isolate, get in close, makeout. If that works out, then ask if she wants to get out of here. A lot of guys are so afraid of getting rejected that they just want to get it over with in one fell swoop. That is the…
/r/seduction30/12/15 04:39 AM
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Sorry to hear about that. It's happened to all of us. The best thing you can do is to learn from your mistakes. That's all you can do. Definitely don't blame it on her. Women want to be wanted. If you take one thing away from this experience, make it that.
/r/seduction30/12/15 12:02 AM
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If you're not getting laid, then you are being too picky.
/r/seduction29/12/15 10:25 PM
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It sounds like everything is going well. Her answer shows that she sees you as a balanced person and that you are a bit of a mystery/enigma. Of course you don't want to be seen as a man-whore, but it sounds like she was just probing for a reaction. Play it cool and she will assume the best. Fold under pressure and she will assume the worst.
/r/seduction29/12/15 10:25 PM
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Yeah, that's tough. Not only is it stressful, but it's also embarrassing. Just make sure you get into a college that is far far far away from your parents. You'll get your turn.
/r/seduction29/12/15 10:18 PM
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Are you over 21? Take her to a bar or something, and then ask if you can chill at her place before you head home so that you can be 100% sure you are sober.
/r/seduction29/12/15 10:17 PM
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I've always run "charm game" to some extent. It works for the types of results I want: hot women -- like causing-traffic-accidents hot women. I have met some great natural charmers who I patterned my game after, but no, they are not common. I think charmer and rake can go pretty well together. In my mid-twenties, I had a more rakish attitude, but it didn't stick. Rakes get more sex than charmers -- there is no doubt about that. If you want lots of sex with lots of women, rake is the way to go. I…
/r/seduction29/12/15 10:14 PM
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But what if they just want to be friends and not more? I wish it were easier to explain. Inside of your brain there is a part of you that picks up on social cues. Most women are extremely adept at expressing themselves non-verbally, and no matter how socially inept you think you are (unless you have autism or something), you are picking up on those. If you are getting a clear "I'm not interested" signal, then of course you should not escalate. However, you probably also have fear and insecurity …
/r/seduction29/12/15 07:47 PM
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All great points. On an aside, I'm intrigued by how many posts there are about escalation right now. Is it the cold weather? Holiday loneliness? By all means escalate slowly but surely. She wants to be wanted.
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:10 PM
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Yup.
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:08 PM
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Is she waiting for me to make the moves? Answer to this question most of the time is yes. Don't go crazy or anything, but commit to the idea that you are a sexual male who knows how to properly round the bases. That's probably what she wants -- she just isn't sure how to ask for it.
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:05 PM
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Worrying about whether it is a date or not is a rookie mistake. Seduce her and when the time is right escalate.
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:00 PM
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Very nice. Sounds like you are a natural. I doubt many guys can say that they had that smooth of an interaction with a woman before actually making it to the finish line. This is where it gets PRETTY bad. My insecurity got the best of me to the point where (you're going to LAUGH at me) I use to go to her house to "watch" game of thrones in which I actually watched ALL the seasons without ever making a move on her. then.... I think EVERYONE should realize this important fact that I came to after …
/r/seduction29/12/15 05:57 PM
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Yes, reframe it this way: as long as you follow all of the common sense rules like isolate first, have at least some positive rapport going, don't move too fast, don't be forceful, don't be creepy/weird....even if she isn't into you and you have to stop and shake it off, she will take it as a compliment. Most men are like you -- afraid. Women want to feel wanted -- even if it is by someone they aren't attracted to. A classic scenario that pops up again and again for younger guys (high school and…
/r/seduction29/12/15 05:43 PM
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Your TLDR is 100% true. Wasting time and energy is more than just a waste of time and energy -- it also could be a sign of issues that you are afraid to succeed. But the rest of your post just reads like "I don't feel like seducing". That will get you nowhere. It fascinates me how a woman will string you along for hours on end only later to discover she has a boyfriend. This is with regard to cold approaching and texting. You should be able to recognize whether she is attracted to you or not. If…
/r/seduction29/12/15 04:47 PM
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Is it possible to get a girl who you have slept with before to sleep with you again? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. She is on the rebound, sleeping with you wouldn't increase her "number", and obviously there is chemistry between the two of you. That's bare minimum, but also accept the possibility that she may urgently want to fuck you. Don't let that pass you by.
/r/seduction29/12/15 09:09 AM
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The grass is always greener. There are probably people who are envious of what comes naturally to me, but I don't even really notice it. There are probably people who are envious of what comes naturally to you, but you don't even really notice it. Despite what Nike and the sports media want you to think, I doubt Tom Brady thinks that he himself is all that special.
/r/seduction29/12/15 08:56 AM
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I seriously doubt that Tom Brady has a perfect life. He is married to a 35-year-old VS model who was never that hot to begin with and is aging like milk and who keeps his balls in her purse. Most of the world now knows that he is both a liar and a cheater, which is pretty stressful (ask Lance Armstrong about it). Although he would hypothetically have his choice of many beautiful women, there are millions of women out there who wouldn't let him touch them. That's just the nature of being a guy. N…
/r/seduction29/12/15 08:38 AM
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Essentially charming a girl means that you are making her feel good about herself. The most basic form of charm is a compliment, but experienced charmers can make someone feel good about themselves just with their facial expressions, body language and tone. There are so few charming people left in the world (seems like most of them are 60+), so it's a great angle to work if you want to set yourself apart. It works the same way that a pimp gets his hoes addicted to crack except that you are the d…
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:26 AM
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Yes, it is too formal. Regardless of what anyone prefers, casual and laid back is king in this day and age.
/r/seduction29/12/15 06:22 AM
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There is no such thing as perfect -- especially when it comes to human beings. There are so many factors involved in creating a healthy thriving relationship. If your theory only considers one factor (any one factor) then you are destined for abject failure -- hate to say it.
/r/seduction29/12/15 05:53 AM
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Well, now you're just rationalizing backwards. Your theory just doesn't work in the real world. If it were true then a woman would never choose a less powerful man over a more powerful man in any circumstance. That is obviously not true. Reality is much more complex. Each woman has different needs and desires, and each man has different strengths and weaknesses. To add to that, all of those things will fluctuate over time and there are feedback loops involved (everyone wants to be wanted, and so…
/r/seduction29/12/15 01:19 AM
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I think it's logical to conclude that the portion of the conversation that is quoted word for word is the thesis of the post and the part that is glossed over (the conversation) is less important. At least that is the way that it reads. Um, I can guarantee you that every woman I have been with hears some variation of that line at least 100 times a year. It's sad, but I have had a front row seat to more rejections than I can count, and there is very little variation from that standard line.
/r/seduction29/12/15 12:49 AM
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In fantasy-land or in the real world? I'm sorry, but I have never witnessed an example of what you are talking about. Several of the women I have slept with were married to guys who have achieved a more than I have. And they were being completely logical because I gave them something that their husbands never did (perhaps because they are so focused on resting on their achievements). And I'm not the only guy they have cheated with, and beyond that, they usually have nothing good to say about the…
/r/seduction29/12/15 12:46 AM
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I'm actually not being critical at all, just providing some insight based on experience. An opener tailored to the situation will always be better than a universal opener, much like how a compliment tailored to the woman will always be better than a general compliment like "you're beautiful". I like to encourage participation, so I tend to open with "hey" followed by something situational. If you want to practice decent openers, just start talking to random guys that you run into. It will help i…
/r/seduction29/12/15 12:41 AM
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Unfortunately you cannot dictate to women whom they should be attracted to and whom they shouldn't. There is nothing insane about a woman wanting to be with a man who believes that there is more to life than achievements.
/r/seduction29/12/15 12:34 AM
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Hot women are rarely ever alone. There is no disadvantage to approaching a woman who is part of a group unless you are sure that you will get rejected. Look for indicators of interest like eye contact, hair touching, etc. It takes more balls to approach a group of women, and they know this as well as anyone.
/r/seduction28/12/15 11:25 PM
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It's not wrong, but I prefer more targeted compliments like "your eyes are amazing" or "you have dancers' legs. that's so cool." More personalized compliments will break through the who-the-fuck-are-you wall more effectively. It just seems more authentic.
/r/seduction28/12/15 11:23 PM
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If only it were that easy. The main issue with this approach is that she has probably heard this several times before, and if she is really attractive, she has probably heard it a thousand times before. Obviously this is better than nothing. I have gotten laid off of something similar to this when I was in college because women are more insecure and a bit more desperate for male attention and sexual validation -- plus a lot of younger guys just don't have the balls to do something like this. But…
/r/seduction28/12/15 11:19 PM
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It took me a while to realize that a fuck buddy is really just a girl who is in love with you but knows she isn't hot enough to keep you interested in the long term (at least in my life). So should you try to use these poor women to help you pick up other women? I would say most of the time no. The one woman in my life who always wanted to hook me up with other woman was quite a bit more than a fuck buddy -- we actually had a very deep connection both in and out of the bedroom. It was insanely e…
/r/seduction28/12/15 05:10 PM
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Congrats on noticing that she isn't into you. As long as you are sure that you don't have feelings for her, it's okay to remain friends. That said, most guys who want to be friends with a woman are really just orbiters hoping that one day she will change her mind and realize that he is the one she has been waiting for all her life. Please don't be that guy. In my experience, you really don't need to communicate much to her. Just keep hanging out with her in a friendly way. Actions speak louder t…
/r/seduction28/12/15 04:57 PM
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"If you don't have any confidence, just fake some" Terrible idea. There is no way to effectively fake confidence. Whether you think you are a 2/10 or a 10/10, you can always be bolder though. Boldness is what is sexy, and boldness mixed with a self-effacing personality is literally the single most effective way to get a ton of sex. And as far as cockiness goes, it's really an art form to be a little cocky without coming off as a complete douche. Especially if you are visually not all that, peopl…
/r/seduction28/12/15 04:08 PM
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I think smiling will do wonders, but also just talk to people and ask about them. You might be surprised how quickly the impression changes. Also just recognize that high school girls are totally different from college girls. In a few short years, height is going to be the single greatest asset than any man can possess. For some reason, it doesn't really hit girls until they are in their early 20s.
/r/seduction28/12/15 04:01 PM
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I thought you were cute I wanted to talk to you, I wanna take you out on a date/I like you It's funny that your greatest concern is that this approach is too "nice guy". The first words that come to my mind are "boring" and "cliche". This is your first impression, so what you say in those first few seconds matters a great deal. Citizen Kane would not be considered a great movie if they cut out the middle 90 minutes about Kane's life and just went straight to the shot of when they show you what R…
/r/seduction28/12/15 03:58 PM
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Tobacco Vanille sucks. It's a fragrance for a woman if anything. Tuscan Leather all the way. Women want a man to smell like a man.
/r/seduction28/12/15 03:52 PM
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A man's worth is the sum totality of his achievements. A woman's worth is based on the man she can get. Sorry, but this kind of thinking is really dangerous. At its core, seduction is about feelings. There is no man on earth whose achievements can keep him from getting cheated on by a woman.
/r/seduction28/12/15 03:50 PM
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No, I am not talking about the time it takes to write the text. You are not considering all the time and energy that can be dedicated to something that definitely will not happen -- especially if it becomes a habit. It's likely that you don't realize it yet, but I hope you do soon. A successful love life requires goal-oriented thinking. When you focus on paths that are almost certain to fail, it demonstrates a fear of success. I know the feeling. Trust me, you want to get off that path and get o…
/r/seduction26/12/15 08:23 PM
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The idea that you have nothing to lose by trying is wrong. You have the potential to be a man who gets what he wants. When you focus on chasing the impossible and overlooking true opportunities, it's that potential that you have to lose.
/r/seduction25/12/15 09:01 AM
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The few who have posted something of substance have received a reply in kind. The ones who have posted baseless attacks have received the same.
/r/seduction25/12/15 08:59 AM
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I prefer to keep things civil, but I consider myself free to defend my ideas in the face of criticism. Wouldn't you do the same? There are lots of different techniques that work. I think shitting on someone else's thread for no good reason says a lot more about the commenter than the thread itself.
/r/seduction24/12/15 09:49 PM
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Maybe it works for him. I doubt it. Cliches will kill you. If you fit neatly into the box of every-other-guy-who-hits-on-her you won't get laid unless there are some strong mitigating factors like impossibly good looks or extreme wealth/power.
/r/seduction24/12/15 08:49 PM
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I stated that your line is shitty. And it is. I think confusing opinion with objective truth is a strong sign of confidence issues, but then it would be hard for a person who exhibits that behavior to see that.
/r/seduction24/12/15 08:47 PM
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Criticized by internet tough guys who probably haven't gotten laid in months. Yeah, I feel really bad about that. Simply put, guys who get their dicks wet don't go around on Reddit criticizing other people. Your attitude sounds like a classic case of semen on the brain. Maybe if you got over your false ideas of what is "try hard and unnecessary", you could enjoy some poon as well. Just a thought.
/r/seduction24/12/15 08:20 PM
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If she's doing something else like looking at her phone -- especially if you get the sense that she doesn't want to be bothered -- I would just leave her alone. There are different schools of thought on the subject of cold approach. Some guys say that you should always approach as much as you possibly can no matter where you are. I have never seen any evidence that works. I personally think that a guy has to be very strategic about when, where and how he approaches women to maximize success. You…
/r/seduction24/12/15 08:07 PM
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No, I'd say that you are in the right place. Seriously, it would be better to say something like "hey, what's up?" Your message doesn't encourage her to respond. But then you are going into this blind, so listen to your gut. You know it probably won't work, so why pursue? Winners play to win.
/r/seduction24/12/15 05:03 PM
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Really lame and not at all seductive. I want to help you, but the communicating after 2-3 months thing just never works for girls you haven't already had sex with.
/r/seduction24/12/15 04:12 PM
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First off, thanks for being civil. It's sad that I would need to lead with that, but oh well. I'm not saying that the direct approach won't get a guy laid. It works when the woman is attracted, a bit desperate and very horny. I'm just saying that any guy will have better chances by adding some arc to his technique.
/r/seduction24/12/15 04:06 PM
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Neither! If you have to say "excuse me", your chances drop to practically zero percent. Make eye contact first. Learn to recognize a positive reaction. Then within a few seconds of receiving that positive reaction, walk towards her, say "hi" and start your conversation.
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:58 PM
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2-3 months? Do whatever you want, but it probably won't work. The ultimate understatement here would be to move faster.
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:55 PM
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If it is supposed to be obvious what is the utility of the veneer? Really? Thinly veiled expressions of sexual intent are more commonly known as "flirting". Try it sometimes. It works. evoking a fear based response Fear-based response? I'm sorry, you really think that the simple act of talking with a woman evokes a fear-based response? I question how much experience you have if that's the case. communicating to her early in the interaction that you find her physically attractive Yes, whether don…
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:51 PM
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This. There are lot of women out there who chase the next tryst in the same way that a junkie looks for a hookup. Of course she is telling you that her boyfriend is a douchebag. Let me guess -- did he also cheat on her? Did they almost break up but decided to stay together for some superficial reason? She's not an idiot. She knows that her best chance of getting that strange is to trigger a man's white knight reflex. So if you're going to go through with this (and I don't see any reason why a gu…
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:44 PM
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Should I drop all the chit chat and, while still trying to relate, be more physical with them? Kind of, but a gay bestie can hold a girl's hand, slap her butt, play-wrestle with her, etc. without building any sort of attraction. Sometimes even a straight bestie can get this kind of thing going if she really craves male attention. Can I continue having great conversations and relating to them, while also getting them to have sex with me? It's hard to tell which direction to send you in. You are i…
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:37 PM
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They must not be that hot then. The women I have been with hear slight variations on that line anywhere from 2 to 10 times a day depending on how much time they spend out in public. Women crave guys who are different and don't take the most direct approach (while at the same time not beating around the bush for hours and hours and never making a move). It's just general aesthetic theory. There is a beginning, an end and a middle, and the middle is the most important part. The resolution itself i…
/r/seduction24/12/15 03:08 PM
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You get it, and yet somehow you don't. Yes, the veneer is thin, and that is the point. It's supposed to be obvious. Okay, so we both agree that it is obvious, so how can it also be indirect and manipulative? Perhaps you have a better idea?
/r/seduction24/12/15 02:56 PM
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Tight dude. You coulda just as easily said, "excuse me I know this is a bit out of the blue but you are gorgeous and I had to atleast introduce myself." Props for actually putting yourself out there instead of all these other pussies. That said, this is the mistake that all guys make. Women hear that or a line like it all day. It's high-pressure and awkward, but worst of all, it's a cliche. So much buildup? The opening lines last about 10 seconds. I would hardly call that a lot of buildup. That …
/r/seduction24/12/15 02:52 PM
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Lots of idiotic stuff here to set straight. Why wouldn't you just talk to her normally? Because women don't normally have sex with guys they just met. That should be obvious. There is no hidden agenda. Please point out which part of this is "not genuine"?
/r/seduction24/12/15 02:35 PM
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You are really dense, dude. I've used lines like this throughout my life and had more success than most men can even fathom. Oh, I haven't used this line word for word because I literally just came up with it? Big deal. You guys are so easily fooled. If I had made up a LR based on this line, you guys would have eaten it up. It's a sad state of affairs when honesty is criticized and lies are congratulated.
/r/seduction24/12/15 02:31 PM
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Ummm, Mr. Hall Monitor, what do you think like 90% of the stuff on Seddit is?
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:12 AM
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I came up with an idea for a loose routine that I will now pass on to you, Sedditors. That's not clear?
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:11 AM
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I know what you mean, and I can say with certainty that women are not always what they appear to be. Most are, but if you are noticing blatant contradictions between her actions and her words, that should be a red flag.
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:09 AM
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Well, your skills need honing then. Copy and paste one word that I have written that you consider to be "full of shit", and if it is indeed a lie, I will acknowledge your accusation. The idea that there is any way to moderate the truth value of stuff posted on Reddit is ludicrous.
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:08 AM
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You do realize that all of that is disclosed in the post itself, right?
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:03 AM
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The difference between one-itis and heartbreak is huge. It's not just semantic, they are two completely different things. One-itis: the best example of this is when you are in a club, you spot a girl you think is hot, she gives you a lukewarm but palatable response, and you spend the rest of the night pursuing her and trying to convince her to go home with you even after she makes it totally clear that she isn't interested. It isn't limited to girls in bars, it could be a friend, acquaintance or…
/r/seduction24/12/15 01:00 AM
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I have never hooked up with a woman on a plane. You do realize that the chances of sitting next to a hottie on a plane is extremely slim, right? The only woman I sat next to who was bare minimum hot enough I approached with the typical "small talk" that everyone here is recommending, and lo and behold I got rejected. However, that was over a decade ago and I have since learned from my mistakes, unlike some of the other dudes here. If I say "the line has never failed"? Are you serious? What I did…
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:50 AM
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Based on the milquetoast advice that you are always giving and the snooze-fest of negative comments that you leave on most of my threads, you (again) fail to surprise me with this one. Simply put, I've probably turned down hotter girls than the hottest one you have fucked (assuming you have fucked more than one girl). But you don't have to take my word for it because (drum roll) this is Reddit and there is no way to tell who is full of shit and who isn't. Get over yourself.
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:40 AM
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Again, I'm not talking about getting dates. I'm talking about taking advantage of the travel hookup mentality. If you meet a woman on the plane to Vegas or Havasu or Cabo or the Bahamas, you shouldn't be looking for dates, you should be looking to get laid. A woman who wants to go on dates and feel comfortable and find a whole bunch of common interest and mutually agree to take the connection further will not hook up with a guy she met on a plane. This is precisely why I said that if she isn't i…
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:26 AM
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The problem is that your line is too cliche and it doesn't sound like you are calibrating to the situation. If what you really want is to take women directly from the street to your bed, you will need to change quite a few things. Read 60 Years of Challenge method, which is pretty much targeted towards having success with those types of lays.
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:21 AM
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It is hard-lined and rigid. So much of it depends on culture. If you live in an Anglo-Saxon or Asian culture, then yes, money and power will play a dominant role in most (but not all) relationship decisions. If you live in France, Argentina, Sweden, Madagascar, Russia, etc. then those things will likely be smaller parts of the equation.
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:18 AM
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That goes for anything in life, genius. Failure is just one of the necessary steps on the path to success. Basic rule is that if she is attracted and available, then it's the man's game to lose, and most men lose it by not being bold enough -- leaving her high and dry. If she isn't attracted, there is nothing a guy can do. I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been approached by guys that you find attractive, and I hope that one day you can enjoy that.
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:13 AM
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Okay now hang on a sec. If she's got a boyfriend and she's blatantly hitting on you, then she is definitely not "very good morally". That is actually pretty deplorable. Definitely do not get in a relationship with this woman, but if she wants to use you as an excuse to break up with her boyfriend or make him jealous or whatever then so be it.
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:08 AM
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It's bad karma for sure, but what's the situation between them? They might be on the verge of a breakup anyway. Or maybe he's stepping out as well, in which case the relationship itself is just a big charade anyway, so who cares? I would say that most of the time, you don't have anything to worry about, but none of the chicks I've fucked have boyfriends who are tough guys or gun nuts. Do your due diligence. Figure out what the situation is. It's unlikely that they have a Leave It to Beaver relat…
/r/seduction24/12/15 12:02 AM
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Are you serious, dude? Smash is a perfectly good word.
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:59 PM
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When you meet women while traveling, the chances are that you do need to get laid shortly after the first time you talk to her. Your odds of getting some from a stranger go way up when the vacation mindset is part of the equation. Become friends? Really?
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:56 PM
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Not only did I address this possibility, but if you aren't willing to get rejected most of the time then picking up strangers is not for you.
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:50 PM
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Wow, third vote against charming a woman. I think all three of you guys need to add some boldness to your routines to increase results. First impressions dictate the entire interaction. When a compliment is artfully folded up into conversation it has a massively better effect than just going up and saying something like, "hey, excuse me, I was just ordering a coffee and I couldn't help but notice how beautiful you are." That is a huge amount of pressure on her and completely different from my te…
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:48 PM
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Yeah, but how many of them have you had sex with? Again, simply chatting with a woman will not get you laid.
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:43 PM
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Your calibration is way off if you think this idea is creepy. Simply put, guys who aren't willing to charm women will end up with their dicks in their hands at the end of the night almost every time. You have to be willing to set yourself apart.
/r/seduction23/12/15 11:42 PM
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My guess is that yes, it is too late, but it depends on a lot of factors. Just go for it and see what happens, but don't expect much.
/r/seduction23/12/15 08:00 PM
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Get new friends. Even if you are like I was and do pretty well as a lone wolf, a good social circle is so much more powerful. Only when I got with a good clique of dudes who wanted to get laid did I have true success.
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:58 PM
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Well, it doesn't hurt. I think whether or not you do something about it is totally under your control. I've always beat myself up over past failures. The difference was whether I was putting in the effort to change or just marinating in self-consciousness.
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:54 PM
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I had the same issues, so my series is probably targeted to guys like you more than any other type. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3fuutr/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_1_be_bold/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3hx3u4/crush_hazard_seduction_series_rule_2_build/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3m5dsg/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_3_focus_on/
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:21 PM
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My personality hasn't changed all that much since I started improving with women. It was more about how I expressed myself and how effectively I communicated my identity.
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:16 PM
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If you spent the night the first time you had sex, she probably isn't thinking that you want a casual hookup thing unless you made it clear that night. This sounds like a simple case of you like her more than she likes you, but she was horny and you were there, so whatevs. I wouldn't pursue this, and in the future, I would pick something better than "it was fun" to say. Even if you want to keep it casual, you should be better at sexually charged flirting conversations....something like this: "Yo…
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:14 PM
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No, the problem is that she gave multiple signals and he didn't respond to them. And that's only the ones we know about. There was probably a whole bunch of subtle things that he didn't even mention. Escalating until she is uncomfortable like it's not a big deal is a terrible idea. That is borderline rape.
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:04 PM
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When I read this, it reminds me of when I was a teenager and didn't have the balls to escalate, but I would like to think that if a woman showed me her naked breast, that even teenage CrushHazard would have known that means "take me now!" From the way you describe her (used to have a piercing in her clit but had to take it out because she had too many orgasms) she sounds like a total and complete freak. You are probably making the mistake that a lot of young guys make in thinking "she's not pull…
/r/seduction23/12/15 07:01 PM
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The trait you are describing is more like "stubborn" than "decisive". A good chess player is decisive. He makes quick decisions knowing that most will be right and some will be wrong. But after a game -- even a winning game -- the good chess player will go back through his moves and see if he could have done anything better. There is no pride in his game. A bad chess player is stubborn. He makes the move that he thinks is right and never considers that there might be better moves out there. He n…
/r/seduction23/12/15 06:53 PM
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And you got a specific answer. It just wasn't the one that you wanted. I'm being very serious. You are moving in the wrong direction. Let go of your ego, and things will work out much better. Trust me.
/r/seduction21/12/15 07:45 PM
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It's really hard to do, and it's just not efficient. In the time it takes to wait out a friendship until the two of you end up hooking up, you could get laid 10 times by extended social circle acquaintances and strangers. Yeah, it takes a long time to become a great seducer, but it really doesn't take that long to just get over your fear and go for it. That alone can get you some poon.
/r/seduction21/12/15 07:23 PM
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Dude, that is not the type of attitude that is going to get you laid. Trust me. I guess if you want to continue to only get interest from prostitutes then so be it. From the post, it sounded like you actually wanted help, but I guess that isn't the case. It sounds like you are deeper down the narcissism rabbit hole then I initially thought. Fix that first.
/r/seduction21/12/15 07:14 PM
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You're not necessarily fucked. Some women are extremely competitive. She may want you even more. Just be cool. If she's a more competitive type, then she will want you even more, but if she's more the possessive type, you are fucked. Either way, you can't really affect the outcome. Just be cool and go with the flow.
/r/seduction21/12/15 06:11 PM
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You're welcome. It's really not easy. Bear in mind that women will never understand what most guys go through -- even the good-looking ones -- with basically being super horny all the time but not being able to attract women between the ages of roughly 16 and 25. For a lot of guys, when the women start to come through, it's easy to want to take revenge on them for rejecting you for those nine terrible years, but you need to push through those negative emotions and get to the positive ones. After…
/r/seduction21/12/15 06:04 PM
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First of all, I am betting that your perception is a bit off right now due to the backup of semen in your testicles. I also used to think that every guy could hook up with a girl except for me, but now I realize that probably wasn't the case. The difference between you and your friends is probably something really minor. Since you haven't provided specific examples, I'm just gonna link to my seduction series posts. However, I think that if you post a detailed account of an interaction with a wom…
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:57 PM
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You should definitely err on the side of just letting things happen, but don't be passive about it. Flirt with the world.
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:52 PM
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My abandonment of the whole "nice guy" persona has left me being not very nice to people. That's because being a "nice guy" and being an asshole are two sides of the same coin. The "nice guy" obscures his feelings of jealousy and insecurity with socially acceptable drivel, while the asshole expresses himself. I said you should continue doing the asshole routine until you get bored of the women that it attracts. Is that advice not substantial? You specifically use the word "worry" and I'm sensing…
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:50 PM
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yeah, but making a woman laugh and getting laid are two very different things. If she is asking about your relationship history, then you are probably moving too slow and not seducing her. If she is really attracted to you, then she wouldn't ask about your relationship history for fear of being perceived as clingy and turning you off.
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:38 PM
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How can you be so sure they will see my bullshit? Simple answer is because they are asking for proof. My biggest concern is that you cannot see this as a possibility. It suggests that you are handling your issues by moving in the direction of narcissism, which is opposite of where you want to be. Just stop talking about yourself! Focus on her.
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:35 PM
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If they are asking for pictures for proof, then you are overselling it. Even if what you are saying is all true, you could still turn women off if you are so obvious about wanting to impress them. You don't have to give every detail of your life. I've hooked up a decent amount while traveling, but I would never recount these things to another women I am interested in. I have no doubt that most of the women who met me in the last few years of my single life think that I have hooked up with a lot …
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:31 PM
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Being an asshole is kind of an easy way out. It will make you extremely appealing to bitches, but you won't get anywhere with the quality women. It's just a basic rule of human nature that the more wrong a person is, the more joy they feel when their opinions are validated. Have you been getting laid a lot off of this asshole routine? If so, then just go with it until you get bored of low quality women. By that point, maybe you will have a better idea of how to be a quality person without being …
/r/seduction21/12/15 05:25 PM
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I had met this girl for the first time a couple of years ago and we had stayed acquaintances and Facebook friends for all this time. About two weeks ago, I talked to her and told her that it had been a long time since we last saw each other, so we went out on what I would call a simple and friendly date. This is just a tough situation. Just looking at my own life, I'm a tall, good-looking guy who has always been pretty decent with women, but I've never been able to crack that puzzle. I have obse…
/r/seduction21/12/15 04:03 PM
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There is a balance between the two. I think some of the most successful seducers in terms of getting any woman into bed are excellent at reading a woman, saying the right thing and tailoring the seduction. But when it comes to sustaining attraction over a long period of time, nothing beats owning your own unique thing. There are certainly some major things you should keep in mind that correlate to a woman's age, ethnicity and level of attractiveness. Maybe you can ignore those things and still d…
/r/seduction21/12/15 03:53 PM
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Are these girls you just met or girls you already know?
/r/seduction19/12/15 06:58 AM
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Nah, with the hottest of the hottest girls, you need to show no fear. If you start with the less hot girls, the hotter girls will think that you just lack confidence like every other guy out there. Trust me. I'm that guy who walks into a room, spots the hottest girl, smiles and strikes up a conversation with her while all the other guys are trying to beat around the bush and rationalize it after the fact. Boldness attracts hot women.
/r/seduction18/12/15 09:21 AM
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Break up with her. It's that simple.
/r/seduction18/12/15 12:11 AM
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Yup, start with the hottest and work your way down. The scenario you describe is basically like shooting fish in a barrel. Just don't majorly screw up and don't be afraid to make the first move.
/r/seduction18/12/15 12:04 AM
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Imagination is like any other part of your body (or brain for that matter). The more you use it, the better it gets. If you smoke a lot of weed, it will have an effect on your brain, but I don't think it's a permanent thing. Maybe abstain for a bit and then do it only occasionally after that? Your body has natural "drugs" inside of it like adrenaline, serotonin, dopamine (I don't know anything scientific about them, I'm just giving examples), and I know that if you make it a goal to do more thin…
/r/seduction17/12/15 09:26 PM
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I totally understand where you are coming from, and I have two retorts to your first sentence. First off, everything is subjective. A big part of seduction is learning to hone in on a woman's subjective preferences and use them to your advantage. Once I was playing my guitar and singing for a group of people at a college party, and one of the women who was watching silently mouthed the words "I want to fuck you" to me. This was a girl I don't know and have never seen before in my life. Sure, it …
/r/seduction17/12/15 08:03 PM
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You're just in a bit of a rut. If you naturally come out of it, then that's good. No big deal. If you are in a downward spiral, then do something about it. Do you drink a lot? If so, then abstain for a little while. Do you smoke? If so, then give that up too. Definitely get back to eating right and exercising. I think so much depression (and chronic illness for that matter) can be eliminated with good diet and exercise.
/r/seduction17/12/15 07:10 PM
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Imagine conversations between you and her in your head. Imagine every word. Imagine what it feels like to move smoothly from one topic to the next. Keep going over it again and again. When you get to the real thing, it may not be perfect, but it will be as natural as it could have been.
/r/seduction17/12/15 07:08 PM
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Normally, I would say "run", but you're a senior in high school. You're just starting to explore your sexuality. Wouldn't you want it to be with a girl who knows what she's doing? If you don't explore that side of sexuality now and you end up getting married later, you will always wonder what it would have been like. Get it out of the way now so that you'll never have to worry about it later. Definitely use a rubber though.
/r/seduction17/12/15 07:06 PM
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She's just treating you like a puppy dog who follows her around. Just don't respond to her texts. She might change her tune, she might not. Don't care regardless.
/r/seduction17/12/15 06:14 PM
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If you want a high lay count and don't care about quality, be the rake. Just be the guy who lives and breathes sex, 24/7. There are thousands of women who are well within your reach and who for one reason or another are not sexually satisfied. Very few women want to have to work for sex. They are insecure, they want a guy who is 100% guaranteed to give them his raw unhinged sexual power with no expectations from her, no regrets and no strings attached. This attitude works on most single women, b…
/r/seduction17/12/15 06:11 PM
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I always have melodies in my head as well. It's not a weakness at all. It's really more about focus. When you listen to great actors, there is melodic and rhythmic qualities to their speech, which is attractive on a primal level to men and women alike. I would say that as a musician, it is very important to know your strengths. The women who are attracted to you will be youthful and romantic (and often times very beautiful). More than anything, art (any type of art) is a reflection of beauty, im…
/r/seduction17/12/15 06:02 PM
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The Art of Seduction, How to Win Friends and Influence People and Influence by Cialdini.
/r/seduction17/12/15 05:51 PM
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There is also a thing called a panic disorder. It doesn't come in attacks, it's just a constant sense of fear that you are going to die or have a heart attack or something. Unfortunately, I had to deal with that for several months, and I would have been better off on Benzos. Maybe I wouldn't have lost my job. I think the biggest problem with Benzos is more specific to Xanax. It goes in and out of your body so quickly that it can become addictive after just a few pills. Never understood why docs …
/r/seduction13/12/15 10:31 PM
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Some women just aren't very affectionate. I would just accept that as part of her personality.
/r/seduction08/12/15 10:56 PM
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Yup, this is my story too. I think in a lot of cases attractive guys are more into just having one woman. I spent some time trying to be more of a player and it just didn't feel good. My goal is to get the most attractive (inside and out) girl I can find and stick with her as long as it's good. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:51 AM
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I've always been like this, and it's not a problem for seduction. You shouldn't feel like you have to game more than one women at a time if you don't want to. Clinginess is a problem though. You need to get over that shit quick! I'm thinking maybe you aren't being completely honest with yourself. If you are getting hurt because you are too clingy, then it is definitely showing.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:49 AM
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I mean, is the situation that you currently talk a lot about your accomplishments and it isn't working or that you currently never talk about your accomplishments and it isn't working? With a few exceptions, I think talking about oneself is actually a sign of low social status, but that cuts both ways though. A guy who is a $30K millionaire is a lot more likely to appeal to a female who is a $30K millionaire. My personal recommendation though is to never talk about how much money you make or wha…
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:44 AM
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Change your friends, change your daily routine, change your life.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:38 AM
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Are you serious? Taking 1 mg of Xanax will just put him to sleep, then he will wake up the next morning even more anxious than he was before.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:36 AM
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LOL, best advice ever!
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:35 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3m5dsg/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_3_focus_on/
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:35 AM
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Yesterday though, she texts me that we should stop seeing eachother because I'm obviously a player that's texting with loads of other girls and I'm obviously going to break her heart. Where did she get this idea?
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:34 AM
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You can seek professional help for how failures with women make you feel, but it sounds like the real fix would be to have more success with women. So I'm a physician, I got dance moves and jokes that make people laugh and In parties and at work I'm pretty much the man. I'm a crowd pleaser. When it comes to one-on-one conversations and romancing, I don't feel connections at all Nice job getting straight to the point. You full understand what the issue is -- you can make people laugh and do every…
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:32 AM
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I've literally never seen Mystery with any woman higher than an 8. Or any other PUA for that matter. That's the biggest issue with assigning values -- most guys simply lop off the top of the scale and re-adjust.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:25 AM
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Yes. Best kept secret, this is the only cologne a guy needs to own. Don't waste your money on the other stuff.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:20 AM
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Tuscan Leather.
/r/seduction07/12/15 12:19 AM
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Bingo
/r/seduction03/12/15 06:18 PM
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Vulnerability is fine when you are in a relationship, but before that it should only be strategic vulnerability. Only reveal that part of you when you sense that she is pulling away because she doesn't trust you or thinks you are too much of a player or something (it doesn't sound like this is your issue anyway). The line between being intimate and affectionate in the best way possible and being needy/clingy is pretty thin. Both of those things can look the same from the outside, and a lot of wo…
/r/seduction03/12/15 06:12 PM
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That may be oversimplifying it. You just need to identify the girls that are DTF. A lot of times the girls that are truly DTF will hook up with the first guy who shows interest in them. Some girls are out for a specific dude though, so just let those girls go. I'd say that the most important thing is to have a killer instinct and get excited at the first positive sign from a woman and be ready to take it all the way to the finish line without hesitating (also ready to abort mission if she is jus…
/r/seduction03/12/15 06:04 PM
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If you look closely and evaluate objectively, the "dominant, popular girls" aren't really that attractive (inside our outside) anyway. It sounds to me like a grass is greener situation.
/r/seduction03/12/15 05:58 PM
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Yeah, best thing I ever did. Difference was night and day. I was just too much in my head and there was this whole concept of being a work of art that I would never have known without taking acting classes.
/r/seduction03/12/15 03:46 PM
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Obviously being playful is a good tool in general. I am just referring to the specific instance in which a girl asks you a simple yes or no question for which there is an obvious simple answer. The objective should always be to move the subject away from other women and onto her. Take this example: Her: So do you hit on every woman you see? You: No. Her: So 99%? You: Haha, no. I'm pickier than all that. Are you sizing up your competition? Her: No. You: Good, because you shouldn't be. See how muc…
/r/seduction02/12/15 10:00 PM
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Yup. "text only for logistics" is great advice for guys who don't know how to build attraction through texting. A better piece of advice would be to "minimize the things that you aren't good at and maximize the things that you are good at".
/r/seduction02/12/15 09:02 PM
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I get the concept. I just don't think that the phrase "assume attraction" is necessary or sufficient to understanding the concept. It's a dictum that doesn't even hint at the subtlety and balance that are required to be truly successful with women.
/r/seduction02/12/15 08:50 PM
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Right, but the directive "assume attraction" doesn't address any of those very important points. I usually say things like "assume rapport" or "assume intimacy" because literally nothing can go wrong if you do those things. You won't get accused of sexual harassment or being creepy or anything like that. You should assume rapport and intimacy with men and women of any age because it's just a seductive personality trait that a lot of seductive people have. I get the concept, I just think it needs…
/r/seduction02/12/15 08:45 PM
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Of course it's not seduction. I'm just providing a counterexample to your claim that "if you don't assume attraction, it's almost a sure shot that nothing will happen." Assuming attraction is not seduction either, it's just a blunt tool to identify DTF women and skip seduction altogether.
/r/seduction02/12/15 08:41 PM
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How did your social circle shrink when you moved to your college? I've never been the type of guy to hook up with girls I know. Girls I just met or mysterious strangers are much more enticing. Expand your social circle. Consider girls in your classes, friends of friends, join some clubs and activities on campus, etc.
/r/seduction02/12/15 08:36 PM
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You've got it backwards. It's more important that you appear to not be bothered by the question than it is whether or not you are actually bothered by it.
/r/seduction02/12/15 07:23 PM
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I've personally been in plenty of situations where I assumed that I was not an attractive man and the woman practically threw herself at me. There was a mental block created by self-consciousness and insecurity that prevented me from seeing what was right in front of my eyes. But the answer was to remove that block by accepting the reality that many women are attracted to me and that there is a chance that the woman in front of me is attracted to me. Assuming that any woman I come into contact w…
/r/seduction02/12/15 07:21 PM
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Then the adage should be "in the absence of contrary evidence, assume attraction" or something like that.
/r/seduction02/12/15 07:08 PM
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Confidence is accepting reality for what it is, not creating some sort of fantasy world where all women are attracted to you. The reality is that some women will be and some women will not. Yeah, a lot of guys lack the common sense to know that they are attractive to some women, but the answer is not to just blindly assume that all women are attracted. That will create a whole new set of issues.
/r/seduction02/12/15 07:03 PM
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That's because it is rapey. Don't assume attraction. Assume intimacy and/or rapport. In other words, skip formalities and just assume that you are a cool dude who is fun to be around that some women will be into and some women will not.
/r/seduction02/12/15 07:00 PM
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I took several acting classes in college, and -- to be honest -- the main reason was to have more success in my social life -- especially with women. I took it pretty seriously. I also acted in several student films.
/r/seduction02/12/15 03:37 PM
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That's weird. Jerking off has never satisfied me. I would say that the pursuit of sexual satisfaction is well worth it.
/r/seduction02/12/15 01:14 AM
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No problem. Yeah, Stanislavski is exactly the man I was thinking about.
/r/seduction02/12/15 01:06 AM
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Agree with this. Women go for their "type". They aren't nearly as picky about specific stuff.
/r/seduction02/12/15 12:24 AM
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Imitation won't help. Read voice and the Actor by Cicely Berry. It's what the pros use.
/r/seduction02/12/15 12:22 AM
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It's not good to hook up with people in your primary social circle anyway. I have a lot of minor things to say about your TLDR, but the easiest fix for you is to get new friends! You don't have to give up the old ones, but you need to move into a culture of people who hook up on a regular basis and roll with that mentality. We like to talk about seduction, but if you don't get laid at least twice a year, you shouldn't be thinking about seduction yet. Hook up! I'm a man, you're a woman, I'm horny…
/r/seduction02/12/15 12:20 AM
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So much overkill on Seddit. When you put a ton of effort into a response it makes you seem uncomfortable with the question. A simple "no" will suffice here.
/r/seduction02/12/15 12:14 AM
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It's hard to tell from your post how many times this has happened. The way you describe it, it sounds like it's just about every time you approach a woman. In this case, I would say that you are probably coming off pushy, aggressive or perhaps needy. These are all major issues that can hinder your ability to get laid at all. If this just happened once or twice and it is bothering you more than it should, then I would just ignore it and keep doing what you are doing.
/r/seduction27/11/15 09:32 AM
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Keep up the effort. Honestly, I think making out/sex with women you just met is soooooo much better than with girls you know well. One of the simpler points is that you need to be able to achieve instant rapport -- in other words, you need to be able to communicate with a stranger on much the same level that you communicate with women you are familiar with. Practice with men and with women you aren't attracted to to get good at it. Instant rapport. Just start talking to someone as if they are yo…
/r/seduction27/11/15 09:26 AM
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Are you a confident man though? The word is overused so much, I hardly find it useful in seduction. I think one of the problems with that approach is that any man will be 10 times more confident after he beds a few models, so I doubt that your angle going in will be "I'm a supremely confident man". Not quite yet. I think that only focusing on models is dangerous because the term "model" is a status symbol. You don't want to be chasing the status. If you like women who look like models (I do) the…
/r/seduction24/11/15 07:10 PM
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It's not just about being very rich -- you need access to the fashion world. At the very least you need to live in Hollywood, South Beach or Manhattan. On top of that, you would need something that sets you apart from all the other thousands of guys who want the same thing that you do. All of that is bare minimum....even guys who have everything it takes to attract models know that it's a dangerous game to play. These women are surrounded by attractive men and they are young enough not to know e…
/r/seduction23/11/15 10:45 PM
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Are you saying that you are a pro model or that you want one? If you are a model yourself, then you have the most important thing which is access. If you want a pro model, you need access and familiarity. Pro models tend to date people who are either in the fashion business, in the entertainment business or very very rich guys who hang out in fashion circles just to hook up with models.
/r/seduction23/11/15 07:44 PM
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Golden post here. OP is doing what so many guys do....he is nexting himself because he is too chicken to make a move. OP, look at how not confused everyone else is about what this girl is doing. You are only hurting yourself by slow playing this one. It will make you seem indecisive. Just go for it, like now!!!
/r/seduction16/10/15 06:59 AM
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Daddy issues for sure. Some good advice above. Just do what works. Think of it as role-play.
/r/seduction16/10/15 06:53 AM
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“I think that a lot of guys who read The Game, they think that they’re fooling or tricking women. But most women are smart enough to know exactly what you’re doing. They just might like you enough to go along with it. I think one of the misconceptions is that someone else can be tricked into doing something they don’t want to.” This! Part of maturing as a seducer is realizing that most seductions are mutual. You are not fooling anyone. Trust me.
/r/seduction10/10/15 09:57 PM
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The same can definitely apply. Remember this isn't about one weird trick that is going to solve all of your problems, it is about maximizing your results. The secret is really to not blend into the background. For a woman, dressing in such a way that makes them stand out in the best of all possible ways, accentuating her best features and downplaying the not so great ones, is so very important. Keep your private life private. The intrigue that they feel for you will be largely sexual, but you wa…
/r/seduction08/10/15 04:01 PM
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There is a lot of truth in this article. I would say though that it is a bad thing to let any relationship linger past its expiration date, especially in your teens and 20s. It's tough to let go of something that gives you comfort, but you only have until you are 25 or so to step outside of your comfort zone and really experience things. Have a good mix of relationships and single life, and you will be fine.
/r/seduction05/10/15 05:25 PM
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You don't want people to take you seriously? Hmmm...okay, good luck with that. There is a difference between taking oneself too seriously and other people taking you seriously. The former is a bad thing, the latter is a good thing. When people don't take you seriously, you are irrelevant.
/r/seduction05/10/15 05:22 PM
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The Art of Seduction. I think Models is good for "undoing" a lot of the damage that the pickup artist marketing machine can do, but you still need to eventually learn how to seduce the proper way.
/r/seduction05/10/15 02:54 PM
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She is fully committed in this relationship. She is willing to put in the effort to make it work, and she is always positive and encouraging with me. Expect that to change when you start fucking other women. Just sayin'.... You have found a loyal relationship-oriented girl, and you sound like a loyal relationship-oriented guy. That is a big part of why she is attracted to you. As long as you are fully aware that she could exit your life and never return just so that you can spend some time going…
/r/seduction05/10/15 02:51 PM
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Great point.
/r/seduction05/10/15 02:40 PM
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What you should take away from this episode is that crash and burn is much worse than just walking away with a smile (even if it's a forced one). I know as well as anyone that rejection stings. I probably take rejection worse than the average guy. But when a man acknowledges with thoughts, words and actions how much he is hurt by the rejection, he is not doing himself any favors. Specifically with regard to hooking up at nightclubs, rejection can actually benefit you. Women are not afraid to put…
/r/seduction04/10/15 04:17 PM
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Rule #1: Getting laid is hard! If you want it to be easy, go back to your wife. My guess for the situation you describe is that you may have been a bit short on words. Words are the best tool you have to properly frame the interaction. Just touching a girl can be very ambiguous and cause fear/anxiety. It doesn't even require that many, you just have to use the right ones with the right tone to make her feel comfortable around you.
/r/seduction04/10/15 06:23 AM
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I picked up the girl at her house and went to the bar. Within like 5 minutes, she said she just wanted to go home and that we didn't have chemistry I know it's tough, but you gotta mentally let go of this girl at this exact point. Carrying on past this is just like salting the wounds. Control your thoughts when you can, and when you can't, controlling your actions will help you to control your thoughts.
/r/seduction04/10/15 06:19 AM
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I'm a picky guy myself, but I learned to temper it just enough. Honestly, having a meaningful sex life can be really tough for a picky guy. For one thing, your end goal should be long term relationships, because if you fuck three girls in a day, you will pretty much only want to fuck one of them again. Do the math. Don't think of the girls as beneath you. Arrogance will be your enemy. You are picky, so 99% of people have a pretty good reason to hate your guts. Offset your pickiness with generosi…
/r/seduction04/10/15 06:16 AM
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This wouldn't happen to be 60 Years of Challenge would it? Truth be told, it depends on the woman. The most powerful men in the world (including politicians, CEOs, billionaires, super-athletes) do a lot of smiling. Not in an anxious-nervous kind of way, but because being powerful makes you happy, and happy people smile. For more insecure women who have a lot of issues, a smile (any smile) can be a bit of a turnoff. For one thing, their dad probably didn't smile, and even though he wasn't a great…
/r/seduction04/10/15 06:11 AM
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Location, location, location.... Most clubs that I go to are terrible places to meet/talk to new people because they can be very cliquish and self-conscious places where people just want to keep to themselves and/or be part of the coolest of the super-duper-hyper cool crowd. Hollywood, Venice (LA), Las Vegas, South Beach, Manhattan, London, San Francisco and a lot of suburban clubs will have this feel to them. However, vacation destinations, ethnic clubs, international clubs, salsa clubs and/or …
/r/seduction04/10/15 06:02 AM
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Robert Greene, the Art of Seduction
/r/seduction02/10/15 08:59 PM
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Never reveal insecurities! Revealing vulnerability is way different. Compare this: "Sometimes I look in the mirror and I really don't like my hair." ....to this: "I've tried doing the player thing because it's what all the cool kids do, but I think I was just born a one woman man." The first one is going to turn a girl way off, but in the right context, the second one will make a woman swoon.
/r/seduction02/10/15 04:26 PM
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I agree mainly because I am on Reddit, not Watchedit. There should be a rule that video links need some summarizing text. I expect to spend 30 seconds at most on a post. When it comes to long-ass youtube videos, ain't nobody got time for that.
/r/seduction02/10/15 04:24 PM
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But you are analyzing what she says or does means about you. Focus on what she says or does means about her. Develop a curiosity about her. When you take yourself out of the picture, things will become really clear. Trust me. I've had anxiety my entire life. It also gets better when you get older, so don't fret.
/r/seduction02/10/15 04:16 PM
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Yeah, just sounds like basic anxiety. It will go away when you start to have more success. View it as a symptom rather than a problem. Focus on her, not you! https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/3m5dsg/crush_hazards_seduction_series_rule_3_focus_on/
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:32 AM
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My feeling is that bad boys are pretty much picking up the scraps of the true seducers. That's just my perspective though. Some women just don't want to do any of the work. Kind of like how some women are like, "oh, it would be so hot if you tied me up." I'm thinking, "yeah, must be nice to have an excuse to just hang out and do nothing while the guy pleasures you."
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:30 AM
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Art of Seduction has some really good stuff on verbal game and framing conversations because it uses primary sources. You aren't going to get much better than that.
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:27 AM
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Is she actually asking you to buy her drinks? I just find it crazy, because I don't think a woman has ever asked me to buy her a drink. Don't offer to buy a woman a drink unless you are 99% sure it's on, and don't buy women drinks who ask you to do so. That said, you should always buy younger friends and family drinks -- male or female. It's just good etiquette.
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:26 AM
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For guys, most flirting is verbal. You are probably just coming off as pushy because you are going for escalation without saying anything. Words are important -- very important. My advice is to just keep talking. If you start to have a lot of negative reaction to the things you say, then you can come back on here and ask for help with that.
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:23 AM
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One of the biggest lessons here is that it's easy to focus on whether or not the girl is into you, but it's also important that she isn't stuck in this whole Romantic Comedy-verse notion that she can reject you over and over again, and you will keep chasing. It's true -- women logic is a bit screwy in that women will often behave in ways that leave you no option but to behave in a way that will turn her off. She will complain her entire life about how all the good ones are taken or that all the …
/r/seduction02/10/15 09:19 AM
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Why didn't you do it before? Seems to me that you had a perfect opportunity the first time. Things may have fizzled by now. Maybe you can still pull it off, but your odds are way higher if you capitalize on the initial high.
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:55 PM
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The truth is that you don't know what is going on in her life. There may be a boyfriend or an ex in the picture, hell, maybe she's been getting raped or stalked or something like that. You are just a stranger, so why should she trust you? Tell her something like, "I get it. Don't worry about it, but hey, I think you're an awesome girl. It's too bad that you have some fucked up shit going on. If you need someone to talk to, let me know. Take care." Then you ignore until she re-initiates. Like I'v…
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:51 PM
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This comes off as very insecure. Sorry.
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:45 PM
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Passive aggressive, don't do this.
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:44 PM
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If all you did was get her number, then that is your answer. Next time you should be saying something to the effect of, "I met a girl at a high school football game, flirted with her, made her laugh a bit, got to know a bit about her and she asked a lot about me and showed genuine interest. Then I got her number." That will yield much better results.
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:43 PM
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I already gave the most relevant advice which is to make sure at the very least that you live in a metropolis that is a hot chick magnet like LA, NYC or Miami. There are models, actresses, club promoters, yoga teachers, dancers, administrative assistants, and do-nothing rich girls, and a lot of them are really hot. Culture is important. If the local culture is to get married, buy a five bedroom house and have kids, that's what the hottest women will be doing. If the culture is to party and fuck …
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:38 PM
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These girls aren't performing an in-depth analysis of you. They are giving you a bit of a catch-all answer to explain a feeling that you give them. Like a slice in golf, the same result can be caused by a number of possible problems. Problem #1 could be that you are just not being bold enough. Women are turned off by having to do all the work -- by being relied on for action and adventure. They want to be swept away, they don't want to do the sweeping. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments…
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:29 PM
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I should clarify that this is not about turning down women for sex who are above one's looks threshold. I'm definitely not talking about entitlement, I'm talking about removing mental blocks -- insecurities like "she's too hot for me". How do you know until you try it? I lived that reality for at least 7 years before I realized that I was limiting my own potential. The truth is that you don't know what's on the menu for you until you open it up. You have the rest of your life to play it safe. Ta…
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:02 PM
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I'd probably be upset that she didn't invite me or at least take a video and send it to me.
/r/seduction28/09/15 05:52 PM
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Yup. It's funny because I had a much younger roommate in a similar situation who I relayed this info to, and he has never stopped thanking me since. Considers me a kind of mentor even though I only gave him advice once.
/r/seduction28/09/15 04:49 PM
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