Where are the men of courage? They’re gone thanks to ‘toxic masculinity’. Is this not what feminism demanded from men?

Cerricola · 2022-06-04T08:07:41+00:00

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Ornery-Surround3491 · 2022-06-04T08:01:38+00:00

Men are no longer throwing their lives away. Good want to see more of this

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-06-04T08:37:25+00:00

This post annoys me, you make it sound like a bad thing that men are less willing to throw their lives away. Feminism wants men to throw their lives away (for women ofc), why is feminism behind that? Just attribute it to men having a sense of intrinsic worth.

Let the "men of courage" die in the past.

Terrible_Departure90 · 2022-06-04T08:51:24+00:00

Men are no longer willing to die for people that don’t respect or value them.

TurbulentFlow7145 · 2022-06-04T11:02:29+00:00

Okay, let’s all agree on some things here, by being a cop you are signing up to risk your life for the good of others, and men have no obligation to protect anyone just because “that’s what good men do”.

Also, it’s very revealing, and disturbing, how after several months there is still complete radio silence about the extremely consequential discrimination of men in Ukraine are facing.

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dawidwojcik141 · 2022-06-04T09:59:52+00:00

Whilst I fully agree that men shouldn't throw our lives away, wasn't it their job to help? I'd understand if it was ordinary civilians

Atharvious · 2022-06-04T04:41:43+00:00

I'm not so sure about this article feels a bit superficial

thinkb4youspeak · 2022-06-04T07:03:45+00:00

Yeah, gender unity with rights for all should be the ultimate goal. This is just more keep-us-divided nonsense in the vein of Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson "I'm just asking questions".

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-06-04T08:42:51+00:00

We ignore the crisis that sees men commit suicide at ever increasing rates or succumb to drug abuse and porn addiction while savvy young women graduate from college in disproportionate numbers.

Everything here screams right wing nut job. Women graduate more because there is a clear bias towards them not because men are watching porn (there is no such thing as porn addiction).

Along the way, we emasculate the institutions that were necessarily masculine for our protection, notably the military.

When she say's "our" she means women, plus the US has not and does not need to fight a defensive war. She is a clown and your typical entitled trad con woman.

I hate everything about this article

They leave the stage for hysterical epsilon men like Beto O’Rourke who whine and posture but can’t protect a thing.

Men are not there to be bullet bags for society (women in this context), this is more of that man-up nonsense (IDGAF about Beto either). This woman and article are trash.

odysseytree · 2022-06-04T07:52:50+00:00

That's what feminism wanted boys to be and brainwashed single mothers to do so. Men are biologically different from women. If you raise boys like girls, they will end up being broken. Being emotional is a politically correct statement. It puts boys at disadvantage.

Tayaradga · 2022-06-04T18:09:13+00:00

Ngl id gladly risk my life for a lot of reasons. But just because some random chick wants me to risk my life is not one of them.

BlackKojak · 2022-06-04T19:18:31+00:00

I watched joker from Better Bachelor cover this.

Society only deems men useful for their strength and utility. The only time we're missed is when we aren't around or don't step up.

It's a damn shame...

YetAnotherCommenter · 2022-06-04T09:20:04+00:00

Did feminism really demand men reject traditional masculinity?

Last I checked, the feminist movement still at least tacitly (and often explicitly) demands men stand up for women, protect women, place women's interests above their own, and comply with traditional gender roles should they wish to be selected as sexual/romantic mates. We all know about the white feather campaign. Feminism is diet traditionalism, not anti-traditionalism.

Meanwhile, men throwing away their lives for the sake of women/society is arguably a kind of toxic masculinity (i.e. a traditional gender expectation foisted upon men that encourages self-destructive or other-destructive behaviors) - a kind of toxic masculinity which most women (and many men) seem to support because they see it as pro-social (even if it entails male self-sacrifice).

Tradcons and Feminists want the same protector-provider masculinity as always, just perhaps with a few minor modifications. Fuck that. Fuck traditionalism.

cbxxxx · 2022-06-04T11:00:51+00:00

Can someone explain what the author's referring to in these statements?

We vilify action men, brand chivalry and valor “toxic masculinity,” stamp on the manly virtues that made civilization possible.

We pathologize manly virtues and bow to the tyranny of identity politics that seeks power by overthrowing a make-believe patriarchy.

chakan2 · 2022-06-04T12:52:24+00:00

There's some nuggets of truth in that article, but overall, phew...it's whiney. The cops didn't go in because they were terrible cops. That's not the result of anything other than lazy hiring and low standards.

oceansarevast · 2022-06-04T17:02:51+00:00

Oh no...the powerless women programmed males the wrong way and now they are useless. They don't want to die anymore for us. Quickly reprogram them before it is to late and these men will no longer serve us. And while we are at it...keep saying women are powerless...else men will become aware.

James_Bhund · 2022-06-04T19:04:14+00:00

Men are still courageous but not going to risk their livelihood for women anymore.

GDMongorians · 2022-06-04T20:32:20+00:00

How many women officers etc. were there to respond at Uvalde? Just out of curiosity… let’s go down that rabbit hole… This is actually a pretty good article IMO. She seems to be calling out the war on “Toxic Masculinity” and the impact of that on men and boys she even touched on the college graduation levels of women outpacing men and men dying of suicide etc. She’s Basically saying feminism and society has made their stance clear on what they want from men, feminist men, celebrating pregnant men, and demonizing anything masculine. So don’t get mad when men don’t come running to save the day.

RatDontPanic · 2022-06-05T03:57:58+00:00

Ummmm I may be a bit late to this but isn't this article EXTOLLING male disposability? They're saying that it's our job as men to go run in and do these things. Why are they only talking about this as an obligation for men?

krittganp · 2022-06-05T08:44:29+00:00

Women can be brave, join the army, the police. We should use the same standards for them and not expect men to do the shitty, dangerous jobs. Especially in the current political climate.

This article is talking about the latter, their issue is that some men don't want to do the dangerous, dirty jobs.

Some feminists, and traditional women have one thing in common: They want men and only men to fulfill the role of the protector.

We can see whats happening in Ukraine, males are banned from leaving the country, while women, children and pets can flee.

We see whats happening in "progressive" countries, they make laws where almost only male abusers count as abusers, only male rapists count as rapists.

They make laws that women get quotas in the parliament (this is againts democracy), and also make quotas for them in companies leadership.

But they almost never make laws, that require women to be protectors. Military conscription is almost always only for men, and if women have to do military service, it's not the same men must do.

This political climate has to change, this is not equality. It's the opposite, actually.

Crypt_Ghast · 2022-06-05T08:53:51+00:00

They listed "stoicism" as a bad thing, a diseased trait. I am so thankful to stoicism, it saved my life

Wasteknot_wantknot · 2022-06-04T10:47:49+00:00

I’m telling you it’s the porn and soy

AnbuDaddy6969 · 2022-06-04T13:05:46+00:00

Did you just unironically use a nypost article?

have_me · 2022-06-04T11:50:28+00:00

This issue is that men of courage don't sign up to be cops

piaknow · 2022-06-04T08:50:49+00:00

Oh my hell

gamerlololdude · 2022-06-04T19:53:16+00:00

Why is this gendered?

Men are not responsible for being courageous as much as women.

Courage is a trait that people of any gender identity can have or not have.

We need people of courage, though that is relative to what courage means. Being a bystander and intervening is more like a morale obligation, but only if you know how to intervene in a helpful manner.

have_me · 2022-06-04T11:49:59+00:00

What about during Columbine? When the cops waited 45mins in fear, was it because some feminists told them they were toxic? That kind of rhetoric hadn't even started back then.

NoBrick444 · 2022-06-04T13:32:17+00:00

I don't think there was any missing "courage" in Uvalde, plenty of people ran into danger.

It's just that everybody wants to monday morning quarterback a "fog of war" situation where you don't know how many shooters there are, where they are, what they're doing, you literally don't know anything, and tactical training dictates a slow and methodical clearing of a large structure that could take a couple of hours.

For all you know there could be multiple shooters waiting in ambush, the shooter might have went in thru the front, shot some people and ran out the back. There could be a bomb, you don't know anything.

All you can do is clear it room by room and evacuate the students.

"b-but masculine expectations! Why does it always have to be men?!?"

Well, who the fuck else is gonna do it?

Besides, there's brave teachers in there putting their own body in the way and protecting the students, there's nurses who spend 12-14 hours on their feet saving lives. So if most of the cops happen to be men, that's what their signed up for and everybody needs to shut their whore mouth and do their job.

LordFedoraWeed · 2022-06-04T11:30:37+00:00

Tell me you don't understand what "toxic masculinity" means, without telling me

byteuser · 2022-06-04T14:02:14+00:00

Nah... those were children getting slaughtered... while cowards watched... or worse

LazyLeftist · 2022-06-04T13:07:06+00:00

Or, the cops are just a bunch of LARPerating pussies who still engage in toxic masculinity and only use force against those they know can't or won't fight back. Feminism did not demand this.

Lost-Pineapple9791 · 2022-06-04T17:17:55+00:00

Plenty of people at Uvalad had courage, the parents were trying to go in hate cops pulled guns and held them down

It’s a poor excuse for a cop issue, not a feminine issue

2022-06-04T12:59:02+00:00

In this particular thumbnail those “police officers” had no masculinity or notion of duty, and are in fact badge carrying cowards.

2022-06-04T20:19:12+00:00

wow, attempting to blame feminism for the incompetence of cops

wow.

kmikek · 2022-06-04T13:31:40+00:00

I have a half baked hypothesis, tell me what you think. "imagine a boy and girl at school. they both have divorced parents, both are in custody of their mothers, and both are getting child support from their fathers. What if the mother of the boy is trying to raise him to be better than the man she divorced but the end results are unfortunately and unintentionally flawed. And the girl being raised by her mother is being warned against men like her father and to be suspicious and wary? And what if these to children are now incompatible with one another and would not date each other under any circumstances or if they did they wouldn't get along due to how they were raised."

SweetPeaRiaing · 2022-06-04T16:14:35+00:00

Maybe they just aren’t becoming cops because a cops job isn’t actually to help or protect people.

pennywise1235 · 2022-06-04T16:51:46+00:00

Obviously, the last few weeks here in the US have been difficult. Even more so than the last few years, and that’s saying something. Without knowing the real who, what, etc. of the situation involving the LEO’s in this tragedy, it’s easy to judge the police as cowards and negligent. I too have said words to that effect.

Now, that all being said, the article makes a good point in that we’ve been told for decades about machismo and chivalry and all that stuff is caveman thinking and we need to flush it away from civilized society. Although there’s no concrete proof that that’s what happened in this case, it’s probably safe to assume it’s at least partially responsible for the lack of response to the situation.

Another factor in their lack of action is the misconception of the public image of LEO’s all being a John Mcclane hunting down the terrorists in Nakatomi tower kind of mentality. The vast majority of LEO’s at all levels will most likely never fire a weapon at a suspect, much less engage a hostile well armed individual in an elementary school with dead kids all around. Im not excusing them, I’m just saying that training only gets you so far.

Tolga1991 · 2022-06-04T16:59:09+00:00

This article is some regressive bs. Conservatives like the author herself see men as expendable/disposable just like feminists do.

MyNotNSFWAcct · 2022-06-04T17:01:55+00:00

This appears to be an intentional misunderstanding of “toxic masculinity”. Engaging in “toxic” behaviors doesn’t go hand in hand with and isn’t necessary to do something heroic. Just more culture war BS.

burnerpvt · 2022-06-04T17:12:22+00:00

It’s sad and disgusting that “toxic masculinity” is basically describes how a good man should be. We need some drive, some purpose and direction in our lives or we become weak and become the very evil we swore to destroy.

In the end, this is all just attention seeking behavior by crazy feminists so don’t give in to the nonsense.

icemax666 · 2022-06-04T17:58:41+00:00

I’m a traditional man and I don’t care if people like it or not. In this situation, I would’ve rather been fired from the police force and gone in to take down the school shooter, rather than do nothing. I don’t act like a man because there’s a reward for being chivalrous - I was raised that way and the world doesn’t like it now, they can suck it. I think that failing to act will be something that haunts these officers for the rest of their lives, and if it doesn’t, they are scum.

Dave_the_Chemist · 2022-06-04T20:29:12+00:00

This was fucking dumb to read

HighestTierMaslow · 2022-06-07T22:25:18+00:00

Courage doesn't equal toxic masculinity

Title	Where are the men of courage? They’re gone thanks to ‘toxic masculinity’. Is this not what feminism demanded from men?
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Date	June 4, 2022 4:38 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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