Shouldn't we start protesting instead of just talking about the problems?

AirSailer · 2022-07-03T04:59:57+00:00

Personally I do not trust that IF my company HR department saw a picture of me protesting at a men's rights rally that I wouldn't be pushed out of the company. When women protest for female rights it is considered fighting oppression; yet when men protest for men's rights it is considered fighting for women's oppression.

Viesegel · 2022-07-03T05:12:27+00:00

You need people for a street protest, and a cause that can be summarized in simple slogans.

Both require creating widespread awareness first.

TextDependent6779 · 2022-07-03T05:45:25+00:00

people try, they get shut down.

and not just protests, any attempt to fight for men's equality.

advocating can never hurt, though ideally we would be able to do more than talk.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-07-03T05:19:42+00:00

In order for protests to be effective you need to have the media on your side. This simply isn't the case for MRM.

All it would result in is typical hit pieces featuring a feminist counter protestor and the usual talking points about 'women hating incels' and 'alt-right pipeline' and so on and so forth.

Not only would it be ineffective, it would be counter productive.

Brandwein · 2022-07-03T09:07:21+00:00

At best you get ignored at worst you get lumped in with nazis forever tarnishing your reputation, like it happens with other anti establishment protests.

guachumalakegua · 2022-07-03T15:27:25+00:00

Ways to protest:

•Don’t be a feminist

•Give no money to feminist organizations

•Don’t be a “Simp”

•Don’t vote for Simps or feminists

•DONT GET MARRIED

Awe_Rux · 2022-07-03T10:44:09+00:00

There are ways to push men rights beliefs, one of which is protesting.

That could work, how did George Floyd protests that spread accross the world go? Oh yeah, the cop got arrested. Nice. Now do people even remember who that guy was? Last i heard the female BLM president took all the money from the foundation and bought a nice mansion. Exactly what was achieved by a global movement aside from one cop getting proper judicial sentencing?

And that's with the BLM movement, what do you think will happen with a bunch of white male protesting their rights in a world that believes that white men have all the rights?

Toxic masculinity. They will be disparaged across media.

Now i maybe wrong and i am not against that, you're free to do what you think is best. I will however push mens rights beliefs another way. I won't participate in marriages that are a construct of the feminist empowered system, i won't consume media products that preach feminist bullshit, i will consume and spread mens beliefs across my circle and hopefully that will spread to other circles and men can naturally wake up to see how fucked up the world is.

I believe the only way men are heard are by their actions, not through their words. If enough men make decisions to not pay attention to these feminist ideologies, stop simping to females Onlyfans selling their farts. Then the world would be forced to respond to men acting in a way that doesn't benefit them. No one gives a fuck what we have to say and that's what protesting is.

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-07-03T12:03:52+00:00

Yes, if we want a change we need action

TheSnesLord · 2022-07-03T11:13:34+00:00

If men protested about their issues in public, the guys would most likely lose their jobs and livelihoods, and be ostracized if they are identified. And even worse - if the guys are married, it could even lead to divorce and loss of family.

Always remember:

Women protesting = they're fighting against oppression and for their rights

Men protesting = they want to oppress women and send women back into the kitchen

theSilentNerd · 2022-07-03T14:35:43+00:00

I'm on a private protest/strike: no sexual/romantic contact with females.

That means that only men are in my menu.

3DemocracyActivist · 2022-07-03T15:20:12+00:00

If a protest is to happen, I would recommend not focusing in on one specific issue, but instead making it about all issues, and demanding total equalisation of laws rights and punishments, worldwide. For example, demanding female prison guards no longer be allowed to search male prisoners in England (because female prisoners, including the ones who tortured boys to death, are protected by law from being searched by a male guard).

I think what's important, for confidence with this, is seeing how technically there has already been mens rights protests in my opinion.

Guantanamo bay protests

Keep in mind when watching these protests, that Guantanamo bay is Misandry: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/guantnamo-bay-female-interrogators-tactics-aired/

Men and women protesting against guantanamo bay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdoCuEFsxPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M37MSHwmotA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG70mzt-uDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ACE-BBPRs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFHftrckx0k

All prisoners of Guantanamo bay are male, and have had their rights disrespected by female guards, therefore, all of these good men and women, who are seen protesting against guantanamo bay, are showing that they are capable of protesting against misandry, and recieving much public support for doing so.

These BLM protests for D Wright

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunte_Wright_protests

This was a protest demanding punishment for a female cop who shot a man. People were protesting for a male victim who was killed by a female in a position of authority.

This petition here

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17028036/petition-whole-life-term-arthur-labinjo-hughes-killers/

(Which is one of the largest petitions I've ever seen in England)

Demanding longer sentences for the man and woman who tortured a boy to death in England.

You need to recognize, these things are not necessarily labelled as men's rights protests / petitions, but what's the gender of the victim in all 3 of these things? Male. And the abusers in all of the cases related to these links include females. So this shows good men and women of society, in large numbers are willing to go and protest against men and women who abuse males.

So if a protest is going to be done, this is my recommendation, I'd reccomend calling it a "we demand total equal rights, responsibilities and punishments for men and women worldwide protest"

During this protest, it should be made clear that it stands for simply total legal gender equality. It demands nothing more than equality, and nothing less. Any man or woman therefore, who feels that they face discrimination because of their gender, should have no reason to be against the protest, because the protest is to demand total equal rights, responsibilities and punishments worldwide, no exceptions.

During this protest I reccomend including making these demands

policy such as this be equalised to give male and female prisoners equal personal space rights

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/04/04/policy-allowing-cross-gender-searches-in-prisons-not-unlawful-says-high-court/

abolition of policy such as this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311004/Judges-ordered-mercy-women-criminals-deciding-sentences.html

that Guantanamo bay be closed
that non consensual circumcision be banned
that draft be equalised

But make it clear, that this is not about one specific issue, it's about all issues related to gender discrimination and introducing a law that abolishes all forms of legal double standards, and the equality movement must not be satisfied with anything that falls short of total equal rights, responsibilities and punishments. There is good men and women out there, who as I have shown have proved themselves capable of protesting against men and women who abuse males. The root of misandrist policy is the governments that produce it, not the public that has it forced onto them. This is about saying no to misandrist dictators and demanding equality via democratic protest.

A9SteakSauce · 2022-07-03T09:11:48+00:00

buzz feed would have a great headline: A bunch of white males protest for “their rights”???

idk guys we’re not getting anywhere with a protest anytime soon imo, woke news companies would have a field day

SecondEldenLord · 2022-07-03T07:54:21+00:00

You need media support and people for that, and when is ay you need people, I mean in the 10s of thousands. That may never happen since: 1 - the media doesn't care 2 - we men are too busy grinding to provide for our family or ourselves while most modern women, let us be honest, do not need to grind for anyone.

Yoramus · 2022-07-03T07:27:56+00:00

We need some sort of apolitical organization focused only on MR. The streets are only a part of what's lacking but something to donate to and political lobbying would already be a good start

tryingimreallytrying · 2022-07-03T12:58:37+00:00

Protesting is becoming an unintelligent attack method these days.

It is a shunned act by the public thanks to the media, and multiple organisations embarking on less than appropriate protests with results that not only don't make the public sympathetic but actually make the public hate them.

Carefully planned and executed media and public awareness campaigns over 18-24 month periods with singular set objectives are much more effective.

You have to plan out your targets, do message testing to see what garners the best responses which translates into the action and outcome you want.

If you know who you are targeting you can learn what they need to hear or what thought processes they need to go through to change their mind about anything.

RandomofEmbers · 2022-07-04T06:12:43+00:00

They should, in theory, but they will give you leighty and detailed explanations, why they can't, why they are not allowed to, and such.

MiKEY_SANZ · 2022-07-04T21:50:12+00:00

I thought I wrote the playbook here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/v474sh/how_to_be_mra_in_the_united_states/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

But it didn’t get the attention I expected it to

Adanu0 · 2022-07-05T14:05:14+00:00

People have tried. Every single time the police ignore the harassment, death threats, and disruption.

The entirely of society is against us, and the media are in on it.

Beneficial-You-3669 · 2022-07-03T23:39:30+00:00

Problem is that society is so pro women and anti men now that any opposition to that will get you in trouble.

Best way to buck the system is to stay single, keep fit and healthy and don't get married at all.

Sooner or later once guys have opted out en masse there will be a change because it will have financial implications on society.

Some countries are already trying to financially incentify guys to get married because they are seeing the early signs of how things are going.

Forsaken_Mode_2173 · 2022-07-03T05:10:09+00:00

I don't think it will work.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-07-03T15:51:27+00:00

We do not have the media on our side at all. If we go on the streets right now, you know what the news title would be? "Toxic men spreading their misoginy on the streets". In this culture, we really cannot win unless we got more of the media on our side. Look at women, they can walk naked, smashing windows and whatnot, scream from the top of their lungs and beating men up just because they cannot kill babies anymore. We need more media on our side.

RedcloudGeorge · 2022-07-04T00:56:03+00:00

Collectively advocating men's rights would be seen as a hate crime. People reflexively view a group publicly declaring that men deserve equal treatment as a threat to society and community safety. Not that I'm saying no to the idea. But anyone protesting would have to be prepared to face serious consequences, including loss of employment, fierce harassment, litigation, and arrest.

1DEF1 · 2022-07-03T11:23:50+00:00

Yo. The difference is that afaik MRA won't shout as loud cause its not a movement.

aerial_coitus · 2022-07-03T05:12:14+00:00

Oh, sweet child……….

vocabb · 2022-07-03T10:20:39+00:00

Dangerous waters when thoughts become actions

Warder766312 · 2022-07-03T14:37:31+00:00

I can guarantee that I’d be fired from my job since the media would immediately turn the narrative to make the protest seem like a bunch of misogynistic male terrorists or something.

The media would definitely put plants into the protest to try to stir up trouble or cause the trouble themselves

DeadSkullMonkey · 2022-07-04T02:02:49+00:00

Protests won't do much. We need to adept to the new climate. Get a prenup. DNA test every child. Split the bill. Don't be in a room with a female collegue alone. Report misbehaviour immediately with proof or a witness such as physical altercation or SH/SA. Focus on yourself, know your worth. Don't SIMP! Don't give them BF/husband energy and benefits if they ain't in a relationship with you. Focus on their actions, not their words.

Fast-Mongoose-4989 · 2022-07-03T09:28:43+00:00

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kiadragon · 2022-07-03T10:09:33+00:00

Read the room. Not the moment.

2022-07-03T12:15:18+00:00

Protesting is not how problems get solved.

Its basically like complaining without also giving a solution.

Its not constructive and only serves to drive people away from your cause, not towards it.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-07-03T18:25:29+00:00

Politics is different though. We are nobodies in the face of society.

dw87190 · 2022-07-04T01:39:37+00:00

I don't know about your countries, but I'm 95% sure that if I took time off work (assuming I could afford to lol) to go protest men's rights being stripped from us in Australia, I'd be out of a job

Eastwood96 · 2022-07-04T01:43:54+00:00

I imagine we could try, but unfortunately, the only outcome(s) I can personally predict are indifference and/or ridicule, if not immediate arrest for "disturbing the peace." It's not what we deserve, obviously, but it's the sad reality that comes with the territory of our gender, which, in the eyes of many, isn't allowed to have feelings, emotions, due process, etc.

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skcuf2 · 2022-07-04T14:49:49+00:00

Protesting is just a form of organized complaining. Even the most successful protests rarely accomplish the intended goal. Think about the trucker protest in Canada earlier in the year. That was a much more successful protest than we could hope to accomplish and eventually it was for naught.

Title	Shouldn't we start protesting instead of just talking about the problems?
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Date	July 3, 2022 4:51 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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