New GSS Survey Dropped: "Is The Sex Recession Over?"

BigZaddyZ3 · 2023-05-24T07:53:07+00:00

I’d be skeptical taking any singular data point as the “be all, end all” on these subjects. But it’s an another interesting data point (in a sea of conflicting data points) I guess.

Royal-Tip4585 · 2023-05-24T13:00:20+00:00

No. Because it’s due to hookup culture and it’s effects. And so it will continue

Holden_Frame · 2023-05-24T17:13:04+00:00

First, these studies always 2 very important data points. The questions should go like this:

Have you had sex in the past year?

Was this by choice?

Could you have had sex in the past year if you wanted to?

Do you feel that going without sex negatively effects your mental health?

In short, I believe that if 20% of men and women report going "without sex" in the past year, the reality of the male sex drive makes the impact of these stats on the indivudual wildly different.

As far as who represents the percentage of sexless men, I suspect that this is very demo dependent and has very little to do with "misogyny" or "need to take a shower"

I work in a nerdy STEM type profession.

I have 5 close friends. Older tech guys at this point.

1 is able to date consistently when he wants.

4 of them I've never seen with a girlfriend, and 2 of them I know for a fact haven't had sex in over a decade and 1 of them has never had sex at all.

These guys are well liked, not "misogynistic" or toxic. Just somewhat nerdy. They socialize well but are various combinations of short, a less desired (in the west) ethnic group and most lack any game whatsoever. 1 has grooming issues, and the virgin is so blue pilled that he basically feels that 'women should like him for him' and has a zero sexual vibe.

These are just the guys I know currently, over the years, I've known and worked with tons of these guys.

In my personal / night life, I hang with a much different crowd. Drinkers, people that do recreational drugs, and have parties. All of them are fucking regularly.

I'd suspect that much of reddit, and PPD in particular is representative of the STEM class of guys which will have a much higher representation of sexually frustrated guys.

Also, the fact that I exhibit the behaviors that women would call "misogynistic" or "toxic" or "problematic" yet have had far more sexual success than these guys further illustrates the point that RP understands:

Women's sexuality is not a meritocracy, but a simple response to things that give them tingles.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-05-24T16:37:25+00:00

Honestly GSS data is just plain irrelevant. How can you justify extrapolating a sample size of 229 to a population of almost 60 million...

Chikoswe2022 · 2023-05-24T10:36:29+00:00

So what do you think, has the 'sexlessness epidemic' been overblown after all?

I think this varies wildly with location. However, on the whole I do think that modern young people are doing worse than previous generations. Does this qualify to be called a "sexlessness epidemic"? I don't think I would call it that.

Also, I think 2011 is to soon a starting point to begin with when people talk about the sex recession. I think they make reference to the 90s and 80s. While I don't have the numbers with me off the head, I would bet todays sexual frequency rates are a lot lower than back then.

NotARussianBot1984 · 2023-05-24T10:36:30+00:00

I do wonder what the cost of living skyrocketing has helped betas find a girl.

Independence is easier when not over budget.

But ya I find this interesting.

wtknight · 2023-05-24T12:07:00+00:00

I’m not sure if that sample size is high enough, but it would not surprise me if those young men who were capable of finding a woman to have sex went out and tried to have sex once the pandemic was over. The men who complain on Reddit are not representative of most men, and they should probably stop trying to represent themselves as “most men”, although I do agree that average men do need to put some work in to find sexual partners and do not have sex as effortlessly as “natural alphas”.

ThorLives · 2023-05-24T22:11:29+00:00

I looked up the data in the GSS. These are the results of people age 18-29.

The first thing that stuck out for me was that 55% of the people answered "inapplicable", and 3% answered "no answer". So, 58% of people aren't answering the question. The "inapplicable" answer is also far higher than previous years - which ranged from 4%-40% in years going back to 1990. In 2014, just 6% of people answered "inapplicable". I'm not sure what's going on, or if people are more likely to answer "inapplicable" if they aren't having sex.

Also, something weird I noticed: if you break-out the numbers by age, there's patterns that don't look like a random sample. Here's a screenshot. Among 19 year-olds, 50 marked "inapplicable". 18 answered the question, and 14 of those 18 (78%) of them claimed to be having sex 4+ times per week. If you look at 20 year-olds, 33 of them answered the question, and only 4 out of 33 (12%) of them claimed to be having sex 4+ times per week. I would the results for 19 and 20 year-olds to be very similar, but to have these kinds of differences doesn't seem plausible if these were taken from a random sample of people.

obviousredflag · 2023-05-24T08:58:20+00:00

There never was a sexlessness epidemic. Very few men are sexless but they make a strong effort to claim and make it look like "the majority of men is affected", to get more people behind their pathetic social justice cause.

Zestyclose_Truth9999 · 2023-05-24T10:09:23+00:00

has the 'sexlessness epidemic' been overblown after all?

There was never a "sexless epidemic" for the average guy.

However, there's a very vocal minority on Reddit and social media trying to claim that this sexless epidemic exists, so they can blame someone else for their own problems.

In all reality, they're either below-average men LARPing as "average", men with standards too high for their SMV, men with insanely bad social skills, or just those that read the latest female fantasy from their malefluencer of choice and assume all women are b!tches without ever having interacted with one.

Lenovo_Driver · 2023-05-24T11:52:24+00:00

The only rise in sexlessness was among red pilled men (and women) who are spending more and more time online..

MysterySolverDog · 2023-05-24T14:58:16+00:00

Regarding this, yes the short answer is I have to re-evaluate how I view this topic going forward. It is worth noting, they did change their data collection methods, and this may contribute to the sudden lurch down:

While the GSS has always to some extent been a multimode survey (i.e., face-to-face with telephone), the 2022 GSS is the first year to conduct primary data collection with both face-to-face interviews and web questionnaires. As a result of the experimental multimode approach, it is the first year in which potential mode sensitivity can be better studied.

The second chart shows a sudden lurch down for young people, to a genuinely surprising degree - the slope there is unreal. According to this chart, sexless is back to where it was during the mid 2000s. The third chart shows what we suspected all along: it was only the pandemic that caused sexlessness in young women to rise.

Here are some theories: First, because the method of data collection changed, when sexless men saw they had a chance to back out of being grilled about their sex life (because they were taking a web questionnaire), they did so, so the sample changed. Second, it could be that the lurch down is exclusively because of the pandemic. Young women clearly wanted to fuck after the lockdown, young men temporarily enjoyed some benefits but will go back to being frozen out when the demand from young women is lower. Young men are still overwhelmingly single which offers some credence to this.

Notice how all of the above is fairly nuanced. As most are acutely aware bloops instantly wanted to throw out the data from the 2019 survey, and have been salivating at the thought of hand waving away male sexlessness for all the years since. So congratulations. But it does interest me that the red pill has clearly been growing in the last few years, at the same time as the line was dropping. Demand for red pill content is pretty clearly driven by intrasexual competition, so there might be more to this than meets the eye.

Gr4nd45 · 2023-05-24T09:23:12+00:00

Tbh, I think that majority of men (like 99%) could get as much sex as they want, the problem isn't women. The problem is, that either guys are too scared, aren't going out, or have their standards WAY too high.

Safinated · 2023-05-24T12:14:22+00:00

The truth, it be inconvenient

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Zavier221 · 2023-05-24T19:08:21+00:00

The break down of the stats show that most men and women per year have 1 partner and that one partner occurs within a relationship.

Cobra_x30 · 2023-05-24T22:19:06+00:00

In my opinion this is great news if accurate.

JumboJetz · 2023-05-24T22:46:08+00:00

Anecdote but this is 100% true for me. I didn’t have sex because I didn’t go out due to covid worries in 2020 and 2021. 2022 I felt good going out and as such i had sex. 2023 I’m continuing to have sex.

NormalGuy8989 · 2023-05-24T23:16:54+00:00

Lol. All the RP guys on socials who thought the 2020-2021 sexlessness epidemic was caused by feminism, not the virus or government... you're incel from low IQ.

Philip8000 · 2023-05-24T23:58:37+00:00

For most people, it's a temporary thing. They might not have much luck finding a partner for, say, a few years for various causes. I hear talk about turning yourself into someone who can have sex whenever the hell he wants, but we're talking about a small percentage of the population. Even with numbers close to 30%, it's "hasn't had sex in the past year" not "never touched a woman before."

However, for a few people, it ends up becoming more permanent. If you don't achieve certain milestones in an acceptable time frame, it's extremely hard to catch up. If you're a virgin at 21, it's unlikely to be a big issue, barring certain macho idiots who spend their lives bragging about sex they're often lying about. Being a virgin at 35, though, is a different story. It's a lot harder to meet new people as you get older, people lack the free time they once had, and by this point, while not universal, virginity carries a stigma.

Title	New GSS Survey Dropped: "Is The Sex Recession Over?"
Author	TheAutismPill
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Comments	67
Date	May 24, 2023 7:28 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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