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[–]maybebionic 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Read the book "Attached".. she is clearly an avoidant attachment type. Trying to get closer to her will only push her away. You have to give her space, but if that does not honor yourself then find another woman.
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[–]Conscious_Push_5861 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I was going to say the same, she sounds like me and I’m fearful avoidant. People telling how much I mean to them or that they like or love me sends me into a panic and I isolate, ghost, or self sabotage.
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[–]Conscious_Push_5861 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wish I had the answers on how to approach her but it’s just as confusing being the one with the avoidant attachments style.
If you don’t want to keep going through constant hot-and-coldness, I’d call it quits and go for someone with a secure attachment style.
[–]omega05 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You already fucked her. What are you worried about? You already stated it wasnt going to be anything serious, now you're the one chasing her. Then you have the nerve to ask why are women confusing.
You're the one thats confusing in this scenario.
[–]Entire_Egg_4119 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fr… I’m a chick. I talked to this guy for 2 years and he ghosted me. We never fucked. I want a refund.
[–]JaytheSunGuru 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol you never fucked theres your answer he got bored and moved on yet he must be pretty lame because i make it happen fast. Girls wanna make love even more than i do, simple as that. No refund required unless you actually spent money then he really was a lame 😂
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[–]omega05 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're doing what she was supposed to do, catch feelings. She should have been the one begging you for something more.
Find other women
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[–]advancedgaming12 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is so much wrong with this comment, I don't even know where to start
[–]No-Emotion-7053 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So why are you surprised when she is giving you exactly what she told you? You’re the one who’s goals have changed
[–]privacylmao 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That book changed my whole perspective. OP trust me, read it! If you don't wanna read you can get it on Audible as I did. (And if you have Amazon Prime you can get it for free with 1 credit)
[–]maybebionic 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same. If I had read it prior to filing for divorce, I might not have. That and No More Mr Nice Guy we’re paradigm changers for me.
[–]privacylmao 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry to hear that, I hope it was for the best, what is done is done and a new chapter has begun my friend. I'll get the second one you just recommended, thanks!
Attachment styles are deep engrained in ourselves, it's near to impossible to change the attachment style you have, you just have to find someone that matches your style, OP.
[–][deleted] 48 points49 points50 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There's nothing to "make sense of" and she isn't being "confusing". She was very clear in that she wants space away from you. That means she's not interested in spending time with you right now. Leave her alone. Stop analyzing the situation. It doesn't matter why. Go chat up some other women and move on.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'd venture a guess she started catching feelings and needed some space to figure it out. She asked you for said space and you ignored it, proving that you wouldn't really be a good match for a bf. Now i guess she has second thoughts and i'd venture a guess she'll dump you.
Lesson to be learned, don't get drunk and text and just listen to what a woman says and respect her decision, if she plays games she's not for you, if she's honest she will appreciate it.
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Don't be distant, just be normal. Be available if she wants to talk or hangout but don't make your life revolve around her, no matter how good the sex was. Chase your dreams and a good life and she'll come around ( maybe ) , chase her and you'll lose her. Be normal, be friendly and flirty and she wants more of that special D she'll come back, but don't play stupid games.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, sounds good, nice job and gl
[–]privacylmao 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What did she answer to that? Is she down?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Definitely should've waited for more than a week before hitting her up ... and asking her out for coffee at that. This is your only option/best option and it shows. So go out there and talk to other women. Because continuing to chase women who are withdrawing is a fool's errand. Also rather than saying she "hates men," more likely there's a particular guy she still can't get over. And despite all the complaints about him to you, she still has emotional investment in him.
[–]FG4u2nv 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I definitely shouldve but she contacted me first about a job interview so I thought why not
[–]Dactheguy 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't over pursue. Nothing confusing about this one. If she isn't initiating, give her space.
[–]deep2021 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Patience
[–]Sure-Wish3240 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I sense that at least one heart will end up broken on this tale.
Maybe she realized you are not what she wants.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding of your feelings for each other.
In any case you have an impossible mission ahead of you: you must expose your heart to a woman that does not want to see you.
There is a non zero chance that she is or soon will be fucking another dick and living the things you primed her to enjoy having in a relationship.
When a girl asks for a break, things are already broken. Remember Ross and Rachel " we were giving a break" situation. Only that 95% of the time its girls that pick another Dick during the break.
[–]lifeintraining 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
My man, real closure no longer exists, it’s unfortunate but it’s best to rip that bandaid off. She was clear about what she wants, which is honestly more than you can expect these days. Take it in stride and move on.
Edit: Actually, I think the ability of the modern man to move on from this stems from “internal closure”. By that I mean inherently understanding what’s happening rather than feeling confused so I’ll give you some more information that might help you. So here are some things to know.
Women change their minds like they change clothes because the majority think emotionally rather than logically. This is not sexism, ofc women are fully capable of thinking logically, but this typically requires a level of effort due to estrogen being associated with more intense emotions. That said, she herself may not have even bothered to ask “why” she wants her space from you because she’s just following what her emotions have told her.
She may have met another man. Maybe she feels like a slut for sleeping with you. Maybe the spark died out and she’s just not really into you anymore. Like I said above, maybe she has no idea.
People avoid conflict like the plague. She will almost assuredly never give you an actual explanation even if she does know why because she simply doesn’t need to. She can just leave and avoid conflict altogether. This is modern human nature.
You don’t need to know. If you just go silent then one of two things will happen. You will either move on and have sex with someone new, or she will hit you up again. The point is when you walk away it shows value. It shows her that you don’t need her in your life to feel complete. This is extremely attractive.
I can tell you all these things but what you need to do is be genuinely willing to never talk to this woman again. You most likely did nothing wrong. Just eat the loss and learn from it.
[–]Subject_Ad_9871 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brilliant.
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[–]lifeintraining 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I made an edit for you with a lot more information.
[–]lifeintraining 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re still focusing on all the wrong things. We all go through it. You want to know, I totally get that. You feel mistreated, I get that. At the end of the day you can’t know and accepting THAT is closure. The healthiest thing to do is to walk away and purge her from your thoughts.
You might be going too fast for her. Yeah it's "casual" but after 8 times you caught some feelings and she probably did too and that scared her. Let her be cold, fuck other girls and she'll come back anytime soon, don't think too much
[–]Turbopre2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So she made it clear what she wants but it does sound like her past traumas are creeping in. It also doesn't help that you are getting drunk and getting emotional with her
[–]Turbopre2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would honestly try to find someone else. You can always keep contact and keep it lighthearted in case she changes her mind.
[–]UnkemptGoose339 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
lol it makes sense. She's most likely seeing another guy or guys that has caught her interest more than you. Don't say anything to her, wait for her to initiate and act aloof when she does contact you. Start dating other girls at the same time. Don't pay attention to her.
[–]UnkemptGoose339 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As far as how to keep it going with her, cuz I know that's what you want to know. Try to let her know very casually that you are seeing other women, and that you don't care at all about if you see her or not. This will get her interested in you again. Aside from that, it looks like she might just be done with you given that she didn't want to see you again last time you texted.
Don't say this directly to her, but post stories on instagram or whatever social media you use where she'll see you, of you on a date or you out at a bar/club etc. DO dread game on her basically.
And again, don't get involved with her seriously lol, so might just be worth considering not seeing her at all anymore. IN ANY CASE, pursue other women and make them a higher priority than her, as she's dropped you down to the bottom of her list.
[–]UnkemptGoose339 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absent father too
Also, HUGGEEEE RED FLAG. I would not date any woman seriously or give a shit if she acted cold toward me if I knew she had serious daddy issues. Girls with absent fathers have serious issues that make them a huge liability for a serious relationship. Since you're posting on reddit about her you obviously have some feelings for her. Highly advise continuing only a casual sex relationship with her and not taking her seriously.
Also now that know this this I guarantee you there is another dude, or dudes in the picture. I'd bet my life savings on it. I've dated lots of girls with daddy issues, it's never worth it to get involved with them more than just casual non exclusive fuck buddy type relationship.
[–]Impossible_Yellow751 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a women we are told so many different things that conflict with each other For me I talk all the time and I’m upfront about my attraction and life but my friends told me I need to be more quite not talk as much toNe down my personality and feeling cause my friends say im an intense person and when I talk loud or am a forward person it freaks men out so I tried be more flirty and sexy while being quite and aloof like less aggressive and clingy I’m a natural romantic person but I was told to stop that shit and face reality of life that I would never find any one who finds me attractive or like my personality and I’m akward girl I have always been weird girl who is annoying so when. I started to like someone I pulled back my feelings because I felt I had to be a completely different girl I like being funny girl and but being loud and funny never got me a date men never asked me out or took me on date: or did anything romantic I was always friendzoned and told I’m to nice and boring and they always choose these model type women really feminine and girly and perfect body and they were always flawless women it ate away at my self esteem to the point when I really liked him i but I didn’t feel Attractive enough for him or made enough money or as smart as him . So I was given conflicting information and advice from friends so eventually I gave up and I stop talking to him not because I didn’t want him but it was more of I don’t Like myself
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You gotta keep your cool bro, and you talk to her way too much, give her space to miss you. She has daddy issues dude, high likelihood you’re in for pain down the road anyways you don’t want that.
[–]Krokfors 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They tell you everything you need to know with their body language and behavior. Nothing complicated about them at all.
[–]FelipepRntscRn 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To me it sounds like you are overpursuing. If you read your post as if it was from another guy you would tell you are all dopey about her. 8 weeks thats what usually takes women to want to be a couple or break it off.
The whole, 'we've been talking everyday' it sounds as if you are always available. And if there's no mystery she wont feel anything.
I could keep on and on, and say what youve been doing wrong.
Just stay away until she reaches out, and ask her out. No more chitchat thru phone or coffee dates. You want to date her not be the gay friend.
[–]gangweedsavedme 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She seems to have an avoidant attachment style, I would just forget about her. With other people like I would probably tell them I understand because personally I’ve dealt with fear of commitment before as well. So next time just make them feel understood, but I wouldn’t keep on texting her specifically because you already reached out twice. If she hasn’t hit you up in a year then ask how she’s doing and if she wants to catch up.
Do you like her?
[–]Hermit41 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just pull back sounds like she wants some space, you told her to hit you up, my advice would be to let her reach out. If she truly cares she will sometimes when things move too fast I feel like girls get scared and kinda test you too to see if you gna be pressed and start hitting her up a lot or can actually be without her and just do you. You tried to reach out and put how you feel on the table shes know already, now in my opinion you should just fall back let her hyu
[–]ruffyamaharyder 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop trying to figure them out. Do what you like, and think of women as a bonus to whatever you're striving for. Don't let them get in the way. Don't make them your focus.
If you do those things, they become extremely simple and will go after you.
[–]beywill19 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Women don’t make sense. That’s simply the answer. Trying to figure out why just leaves you more confused.
[–]Newoaks 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit. She’s stating her intentions in plain English. OP is hoping for some contrivance because he doesn’t want to see the rejection.
[–]housebird350 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
All you can do is respect her wishes. I would advise not saying anything stupid to her but start looking elsewhere while you are waiting for her to come around, which she may never do.
[–]housebird350 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am not you, but I have never had a woman tell me she needs space and have it work out in my favor. It happens in the movies, but its never happened to me.
[–]2pumpschump 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
She talking to another guy
[–]MayhemReignsTV 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Often times, it is a very distinct possibility that she met somebody else when they suddenly become distant. But the key word here is sudden. This wasn’t sudden. This was triggered by mistakes on your end, and hers as well. Remember that in my other post I said that your first mistake was not maintaining your own space? She too was also making the same mistake by not maintaining her own space in the beginning. But you also have to own your part and move forward.
[–]Rivendesu12 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey man, have this problem more than enough times. The girl likely has Bdp (borderline personality disorder) and sadly you shouldn’t take this girls seriously if you don’t want to fuck your mental health (like seriously I got pretty traumatic experiences with these type of girls) if you want to clear your head on the matter I’ll leave you a video that will make everything make sense https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oOnTHbDNdbw
[–]Blackmagic213 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She lost a bit of attraction and you played into it a bit…
It’s a dance, if someone pulls back, you pull back too…you just failed her shit tests. This is actually very very common. Eventually, you’ll learn how to calibrate your interactions so you can sense when and why she’s pulling away.
[–]bk15dcx -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'll just point out that you are using terms like girl and boy. So I'm guessing there's some immaturity all around here.
[–]jjboy91 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because they don't know what they want
[–]mjornir 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
what exactly did you do when you were drunk?
[–]Vinegar_Tits_9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, it’s definitely what you did when you were drunk, it gave her red flags 🚩
Next time don’t drunk txt, and work on the jealousy because most women see that as a bit red flag too.
[–]mabden 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why are chicks confusing??
In general, to separate the men from the boys.
In particular to this chick, she has a low interest level (attraction) to you.
Move on.
[–]HeadDot141 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She has no interest in you..well, not enough for it to become a thing or enough to pursue you.
[–]Golden_Golem 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are not confusing. The masculine will always find the feminine chaotic and confusing. And we should be okay with that.
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Respect her wishes and go no contact.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Don't get drunk son! Girls don't like that, especially when you are "black out drunk".
It's not what you said - it's what you did - you allowed yourself to loose control over yourself and got brainfucked drunk...
Apologize - tell her you regret that you put her thru that.
He made a huge mistake by contacting her when he was drunk and acting needy and desperate. I don’t agree with your comment though for one reason. I think if he texts her yet again after the previous interactions, without letting her come to him first, he will just come off as more needy and invested in the outcome of the situation. This will cause her to lose attraction even more. Best advice is to chill, at this point and get your mind away from the situation. OP needs to be in a good frame of mind if she does contact him down the road and he is serious about making it work. But I honestly feel like he shouldn’t be too serious about one girl after a short fling with her. She might seem wonderful, after having not dated for a while. But there are many wonderful women out there.
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[–]GLight3 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Don't worry about it. Your only real mistake was chasing her after she said she was done. A girl saying she needs space is like a job telling you you're on a performance improvement plan - start looking elsewhere.
As for why she's confusing, she's not. It's clearly a trauma response she's dealing with. This is a good thing that it happened now, because it just would have happened later down the line, where separating would be a lot more painful.
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[–]GLight3 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's not your fault that you've triggered it. Voicing your feelings isn't wrong.
Many traumatized avoidant women would react like this. You showed her how serious you were and that may have reminded her of her last serious relationship. She has to heal herself first before she can go on to a new serious thing.
[–]GLight3 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh, it wasn't clear you did that. Yeah def shouldn't have done that. That should have been fine gradually and carefully. But you live and you learn. TBH it didn't sound like women like that are a good match for you anyway.
[–]MayhemReignsTV 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most women would actually react like this to the mistakes that you have made. I am not here to beat you up over it. I just want you to realize it so that you can do better next time.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your only real mistake was chasing her after she said she was done
Yo! Confessing your feelings and chasing is a small "offense" compared to being a total drunk - the girl probably feared for her safety....
[–]ILikeMath420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lols bro love you forever is a distrustingly long time unless you break up which is disgustingly painful
[–]AssistTemporary8422 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most likely she has developed avoidant attachment issues because of her past trauma. When she starts getting close to someone she begins to pull away because she is afraid they will hurt her, or learn about her flaws and reject her. I'd actually ask for a quick phone call and then ask for one last meetup, and then try talking to her about it.
[–]SexxyMoeFoe 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you actually believe her, which it sounds like you trust her and do think she's telling the truth, why do you think it's confusing? She literally told you exactly what it was and what she needed. You also agree it was intense in the beginning and seem to understand what she was saying...
If you don't believe her that's another story but that doesn't seem to be what you are saying.
[–]Entire_Egg_4119 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She wants a relationship
[–]MayhemReignsTV 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You needed to keep your own space. That was your first mistake. Spending all day and all night with her in the beginning will just kill the attraction. Factor in that she hasn’t been in a relationship in a while and that becomes even more true.
Then you admitted it, you started acting crazy. Right now, you just need to stop focusing on that one. Not saying you have necessarily blown it, maybe you have, but if you keep obsessing you definitely will. Get yourself back out there and get socializing a bit. Distract yourself and distance from the situation without thinking about it all the time. It’s possible she could come back around, depending on just how crazy you acted when you mentioned that time you got drunk. But if not, it won’t be the end of the world.
Assuming she hates men though? Grow up. You definitely had a hand in where this situation is now. Why would you assume she just hates men? Can’t avoid taking responsibility for your part if you want something in the future to work out the way you want it to.
The text message to me seems like she just wants you to go away, at this point. She hasn’t said it in so many words but some women won’t. Of course, you don’t have to jump the gun. Go out and have fun and if she contacts you in a couple of weeks and you’re still interested, go for it and learn from your mistakes.
[–]pheobebuffaybhammock 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not confusing at all. She was clear about not wanting anything serious with you, you behaved in a way that made her feel uncomfortable and she decided that it was time to end things. Simply time to move on with your life
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