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[–]clickitie_click22 points 14 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
There's a typo in the /r/Fitness link.
[–]mysedditprofile 19 points20 points21 points 14 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The 7 habits of highly effective people by Stephen Covey
[–]ilovemodok 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
RIP :(
[–]InOnTheKillTaker 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
wow! like yesterday!!
[–]ilovemodok 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I know! I'm right in the middle of it reading 7 Habits and was shocked to read the news. Tragic.
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[–]ilovemodok 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
From what I read, they believe it was spurred on by a head injury he received due to a bicycle accident he had months ago. Here
79 isn't exactly a normal age to go for a healthy man nowadays you know, especially for a man who prides himself on effective living. I consider that tragic, personally.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't want to live to be that old. I'll take the Hunter S. Thompson approach to aging.
[–]ilovemodok 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough. The guy was healthy enough to go bike riding though and loved his life and family. Hunter was miserable. I love them both though :)
[–]sadman81 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
79 is not too young though, I bet by that age at least 50% of your friends are dead...Life expectancy of a male in the US is around that...
[–]ilovemodok 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But he was a healthy man who died earlier than he should have due to the accident...
I'm not going to debate this anymore. It's cool. You win.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 14 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Respectfully, I think this list, while clearly well put together, highlights a bunch of relatively outdated material (or at least only one specific approach to seduction). To start, I recommend adding Mark Manson's "Models" and RSD's "Blueprint" video/audio as required material.
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[–]sedditpro 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Game is definitely entertainment more than a pickup manual.
I'd put in Roosh's Bang and Day Bang. Dunno if you've read them, but Roosh has a very clear and analytical mind, and his books are more suited to non-magicians than the Mystery Method, which I also recommend, if only to get an idea of the basics.
Routines Manual was just way too much blah-blah-blah for me. I thought that the time you'd spend memorizing all that shit would be better spent in the field or bettering yourself in some other way.
Krauser's Day Game Nitro is new and he deals with going in direct and telegraphing your interest, along with DHV'ing as a witty, knowledgeable, sexual man. In fact you could even put in a separate day game section and see if more people can add stuff to it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice man, already looking better. Keep adding good shit!
[–]criticalhit 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What resources do you find outdated, and what do you recommend in their stead?
[–]coolerheadprevails 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Who is RSD?
[–]kagayaki 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
RSD stands for Real Social Dynamics. It's the company that put out Blueprint.
If you saw the video for "Hardcase newbies" that was posted a day or two ago, that was also from RSD. From the founder (right?) of the company, actually.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Co-founder Owen Cook, formerly known as Tyler Durden.
[–]thepervertedromantic 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also, if you've read "The Game" you may remember Tyler Durden, he's the big name behind RSD. I think he may have founded it(?)
[–]sedditpro 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of people read the Game as their first introduction to the pickup world, and come away feeling an irrational hate for Tyler Durden and RSD, because Neil Strauss talks shit of them. And why wouldn't he? He went on to start his own seduction enterprise.
I think Tyler Durden, RSD etc should be evaluated on their own and not through The Game's lens.
[–]mrpopenfresh -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
To this I'd like to add that /r/malefashionadvice is only good if you want to dress up like you engineer grandfather.
[–]lannisteralwayspay 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Why do you say that?
MFA tends to promote a certain look, but it will also teach you the basics of dressing well and buy clothes that fit you or have them tailored.
And yes, you can say they only say "fit is king", but isn't that the truth? As long as you don't do rookie mistakes (and maaaany men do it, most of us I'd say), if you buy fitting clothes that highlight your best body parts and hide the worst you can pretty much where what you want.
Like pickup, you have to get trought tons of learning to be able to discern the good and the bullshit.
[–]mrpopenfresh -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't consider myself a a follower of fashion, but I've never learned anyhting from that subreddit. Everything is brown, black or gray and unstylised. It's stuff you would wear from mid 30 to you deathbed. Shit has no style.
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[–]mrpopenfresh 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll take a picture when I get home tonight.
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[–]mrpopenfresh 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Delivered.
http://imgur.com/YXl7S
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Anticipating Sperry + shorts + polo outfit.
edit: Changing guess to dress pants + tucked in button up + navy blazer. Definitely button up and a blazer.
[–]valtism 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Woo hoo, ignorance and circlejerking about how MFA works! Haven't heard this before!
Hey, maybe it's just me, but DAE know about these Clarks Desert Boots?
[–]mrpopenfresh 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That place sucks.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's unfair. MFA is remedial fashion for recovering neckbeards. It's not designed to be the tip of the spear, it's simply pointing newbies in the right direction in regards to fit and style.
That's one way to look at it. But going from neckbeard to aging engineer isn't that big of an improvement. Keeping up with yearly fashion isn't that hard, you just need to go into a store and see what presented on the mannequins.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Woah. Suddenly, you don't know what you're talking about. MFA helps clueless guys create really sharp, above average outfits that are flattering to their physiques. There is absolutely, absolutely a huge difference between the before and after. I thought you were joking around comparing them to engineers. They're not Ryan Gosling or James Bond wardrobes, but they look better than the majority of the population out there, and they got there from wearing Crocs, baggy cargo pants and WoW shirts.
TIL my fashion sense is above and beyond the average
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[–]SoInsightful 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, that's not surprising.
Reviews of empirical research on NLP indicate that NLP contains numerous factual errors, and has failed to produce reliable results for the claims for effectiveness made by NLP’s originators and proponents. According to Devilly, NLP is no longer as prevalent as it was in the 1970s and 1980s. Criticisms go beyond the lack of empirical evidence for effectiveness; critics say that NLP exhibits pseudoscientific characteristics, title, concepts and terminology. NLP is used as an example of pseudoscience for facilitating the teaching of scientific literacy at the professional and university level. NLP also appears on peer reviewed expert-consensus based lists of discredited interventions. In research designed to identify the "quack factor" in modern mental health practice, Norcross et al. (2006) list NLP as possibly or probably discredited, and in papers reviewing discredited interventions for substance and alcohol abuse, Norcross et al. (2010) list NLP in the top ten most discredited, and Glasner-Edwards and Rawson (2010) list NLP as "certainly discredited".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
It does bother me that NLP has such a high status within the seduction community.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think the problem with NLP is that anyone can label NLP on the crap they sell. So it's hard to distinguish what works and what is bullshit.
[–]alanwak3 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
agreed; its important to stick with the original NLP, not any of the watered down self-help or sellout shit.
[–]budguy68 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
There are useful things to learn from it but I wouldn't call it a Gold mine or the answer to everything. A lot of times I found it to be confusing but interesting at the same time which I thought maybe that's what i teaches you to be?
Here's an example of how I would use NLP. Suppose you are having a conversation about NLP and the other person thought NLP was stupid but you disagreed with him. A good reply would be: "I know you find the subject of NLP useless and stupid but I have learned a lot of things from it and it also helps you understand human communication structure better." On this sentence you first neutralize the person you're talking to by repeating his stance on a subject then afterwards thats when you state your own opinion and support it.
[–]arienh4 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stuff like anchoring is valuable. Just like Seddit itself, it's all about filtering the information and taking only what you can use.
[–]hisvileness 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Isn't that just active listening?
[–]budguy68 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Part of it is yes. NLP is to me doing what it takes to get the other person to do what you want him/her to do by observing their behavior and adjusting yours.
active listening (as a side, i've found active listening to be not as helpful as "track backing," where you repeat their exact words back to them; if they say baby you say baby, instead of infant, for example) is a rapport building tactic, and rapport is more or less required for any nlp tactics to have an effect.
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[–]budguy68 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't but others may need that knowledge.
You're right, some of it is gibberish as I did mention a lot of it is confusing.
What other studies help us understand communication structure for the layman besides NLP? Thats what its useful for. I don't see anything wrong with understanding the basics of it.
[–]abandonliberty 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm always looking for ways to improve my communication skills, and you seem to have gotten some of that out of NLP. Any recommendations?
[–]kristiano 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]alanwak3 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
i use it frequently, and enjoy the results it gets in set, and in my own self-improvement ventures. where did you learn nlp? you may be learning nlp from less-than-good sources, as any asshole with a typewritter can write books about NLp these days. kudos for trying nlp by the way, most people pick an opinion about nlp and stick with it no matter what.
[–]fashionfag 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Any beginner book you recommend?
[–]alanwak3 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd recommend "Monsters and Magical Sticks," it uses NLP in it (although not by name), clears a lot of preconcieved notions and gives some stuff that can be used in set. :)
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it's creepy.
[–]TyTy235 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The nightgame thing is a great starter read, should be added to the list for sure.
[–]ComeAtMeBrother 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just read all of pre-2009 Roissy and hit the gym.
[–]atavan 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I found success after reading 'No more Mr. Nice guy' and most of the seddit blogs agree that it is a great first step to understanding who you are before trying to fix or practice your game
It's good stuff and I'm seconding the recommendation.
[–]kristiano 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]UnapologeticalyAlive 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven't read Manson yet (just ordered it after seeing this thread) but I read Naked and loved it. Wygant's advice is more geared towards finding a good LTR than getting laid, and his intended audience is both men and women. If that's what you're looking for, his advice is spot-on in my opinion.
It's not a seddit related book, but reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius wouldn't hurt anyone.
[–]thesorrow312 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nietzsche.
[–]frank_costello2 points 14 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
http://vavlt.tumblr.com/
I would recommend this blog for 'fashion advice'.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Read/seen most of these, came here to say Models really has everything down on correcting "beta"/whiteknight behaviour and also good emphasis on everything else.
Check out the blog equivalent, PostMasculine as well.
By the way OP, you should add in some blogs as well, since they're more easily digestable in small chunks. For starters looking to swarm in on this material, I recommend GirlsChase. But to really get in tune with yourself, I've only been reading PostMasculine and AbsoluteAbility.
Now I'm interested in getting this book. However, I don't currently live in the States and don't know where the fuck I can buy this book. But I do have internet...
[–]FROawaySH 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Could someone maybe give me a tl;dr on the Book of Pook? because the writing is godawful. It's like some 13-year-old kid writing dialogue for his D&D campaign. I should know, I wrote shit like that when I was 13 :P
But seriously, is there anything of value buried in the bizarre sentence structure and nonsensical 'Confucius say'-type stories?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He does make some good points, and it's a good intro to DJ
[–]FROawaySH 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's DJ?
And is it good enough to make it worth reading through the impenetrable text?
DJ stands for Don Juan. It really is a good intro to PUA, without all the acronyms and terminology. It's where I tell beginners to start
[–]GeneralRouge 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
My comments:
How to Win Friends and Influence People (aka, how to listen to people, appreciate them, and not be a dick): will not really help you with women directly.
The Game: Entertaining book, nice for motivation, will introduce you to Mystery Method and Style's modifications, but I'm assuming that reading Mystery's stuff directly would be more useful (I haven't done this, myself, yet). At a minimum, Rules of The Game, Neil Strauss' other book, is more of a how-to, and it will probably be better (again, I haven't read it yet).
David DeAngelo: I've heard nothing but good things about his methods. I acquired a video series by him which has been incredibly slow and focused on inner game. I'd like to know which of his resources is best for teaching his classic cocky/funny approach that people swear by.
Blueprint: I acquired these and have been disappointed with the first videos in the series. I know he's supposed to be the ultimate AMOG resource and is talked about a lot, but I'm having a tough time getting past the way he talks and especially his incredibly fake sounding laugh. It's almost aggressive feeling, even when he's trying to self deprecate with it. I have it saved to watch in the future, if I hear enough recommendations about it.
Malefashionadvice: I really want this to be a good resource. I want advice on improving my look, but I just can't take it seriously. As mentioned, it's a huge circle jerk on many things, most of which are not popular in my city (Toronto). Many popular guys there just look absolutely ridiculous, and even if their look is sartorially sophisticated, it is in no way going to attract a women. I guess the bottom line is that I don't believe that many women are going to be impressed with a lot of the looks coming out of there. You're just going to be impressing a bunch of classic menswear enthusiasts (who are guys) .
I need something more practical. I feel like I'd be better off looking at the photo galleries of night club websites (for evening datewear, at least).
Not on the list:
David Wygant: good day game advice, but he repeats himself a lot.
Mystery's TV show (The Pickup Artist): entertaining and shows Mystery's program in the field (lot's of canned material). It's light viewing but might turn you on or off of learning Mystery Method.
Keys to the VIP: a local pickup show from Toronto that shows in-field pickups at night clubs. Two guys battle to pick up women and the hosts critique them. They also give them challenges, such as recovering from a terrible opener.
[–]ImKumarYo 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You need to stick with the BluePrint. I felt the same way about Tyler's presentation and over the top attempts but trust me once you get to around hour 6 or 8 it really picks up and the last 12 hours of it will blow your mind.
Edit: I should also add that I felt the same way as you to the point that I dropped it and moved onto other material. Since finally finishing it I've relistened to the entire thing (20 hours) twice over the past couple years. It's THAT good.
I found the BluePrint very resourceful and made me made me change the way I think in a lot of ways.
[–]puaCurveBall 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll also chime in saying finish watching the Blueprint. forget about Tyler and focus on the material
[–]Zhai 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/r/fitness link is wrong
[–]2nd_class_citizen 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Would also recommend 60 years of challenge. Very unique and useful stuff from him.
Read both "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and "Influence: Science and Practice" and I have to say I much prefer the latter, because it explains the concepts in a more modern way and backs it up with psychology studies.
[–]tartancharger 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You should add the Pickup Podcast and Tripp Lanier's the New Man podcast. They don't focus on game specific things but rather growing as a person.
[–]wtfOP 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes
[–]testmypatience1 points 14 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
When you are done with this list I will add it to the reading materials list on the wiki. It already has a bunch of free downloads :)
Reading Resources - Seddits' Wiki
Let me know when you think this thread is ready to upload the contents to the wiki :P
Where's /r/getmotivated?
Also, "Way of the Superior Man".
[–]stragis 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
HTWFAIP = Kindle edition in link? WTB disclaimer for idiocy.
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[–]stragis 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Disclaimer = mine for pebkac. Forward thinking always wins out.
[–]alanwak3 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
not bad, not bad. For NLP id recommend "monsters and magical sticks: does hypnotism exist?" its a great book, that clears a lot of the misconceptions. as far as nlp goes i also recommend ross jeffries speed seduction, as he puts out so much good mateiral for free. not nlp related, but Psycho-Cybernetics is a self-help book everyone should own.
[–]loki7714 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Second MAMS. Amazing book.
[–]niner_niner 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Saved for later
Thank you so much. I was looking for something like Day Bang, but had no idea of its existence. Its amazing how you guys attempt to make other guys better, just like that.
[–]sedditpro 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're welcome. :D
I'm at page 21 right now, seriously I'm going to finish this book today. I haven't read anything but short reports in years.
[–]MemeTLDR -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Good list except that MFA is a bigger circlejerk than /r/circlejerk. A lot of seduction methods include the idea of peacocking and MFA tends to play it safe. I would recommend GQ.com or Esquire.com. Just my two cents. Good job.
EDIT: I listed GQ and Esquire as a base for inspiration on actual fashion. Not to purchase every item that they list. There is a reason those magazines have been around for so long.
[–]baianobranco 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dig deeper into MFA, especially the WYWT sections to see more stuff away from the uniform and circle jerk.
However, for guys with no sense of style (the typical poster asking questions) they stick to the uniform and basics.
Personally, I had a pretty good sense of style before I found MFA. It has only helped me. I do have plenty of "uniform" pieces but also plenty of stuff that isn't too conservative. I do tend to get the most attention from girls when wearing nice shoes and a shirt with a louder fabric pattern. This is pea cocking if you compare it to a plain white dress shirt or light blue button down, but not pea cocking in the Mystery sense.
[–]fashionfag 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Peacocking as read in The Game is absolutely retarded, you will look retarded and feel retarded. And if you feel retarded, you act retarded. I'm pretty sure Seddit does not endorse this at all.
The point is to dress just slightly better than everyone in your environment, which isn't THAT hard because most men dress like shit. MFA does have somewhat of a circlejerk but if you navigate through the shit you'll find some helpful casual and formal looks, sites/shops to buy at, etc.
Would you happen to know which books have the communication model in it? I know the milton model and the meta model.
[–]Lujxio 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
How about the Simplepickup videos on Youtube
[–]loki7714 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I love their stuff. Seen project go yet?
[–]Lujxio 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I signed up for the free week but then quit, I was thinking about signing up again though
If you want a preview of what you're missing you can check out ThePirateBay.se. 9 weeks worth of their stuff is on their. I've watched 3 videos and loved them all so far. I think I'm gonna sign up for Project Go soon.
[–]puaCurveBall 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There stuff is meant to be entertaining, not informational.
[–]Lujxio 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They have videos called Simpletips which are meant to be educational
[–]PLplotsOTS 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I posted this read/watch list a while back. It covers most of what's on your post, and then some.
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