We are the Cock Carousel

throwwhatthere · 2014-04-17T18:33:01+00:00

My issue is when women ditch loving SO's for the CC, not that some girls like to slut it up when they're single

SenorPuff · 2014-04-17T19:05:28+00:00

The Red Pill is a bitter one. Generally, it's because the folks swallowing it are breaking their fantasy that 'all women are princesses' and getting to 'all women, at some point in time, will be a bitch, and the more chances you give her to be so, the more she'll use them.' It's because their expectations they've been taught by society are being shattered, so they have to reinvent their life. That, and they're finally understanding all the bitchy things that women actually do. Or maybe they're frustrated because what they've tried hasn't been working and they're mad out of some form of entitlement or jealousy. It's any number of things.

It's just the first step. Taking the red pill isn't about hating women, it's about understand them and using that knowledge to better yourself. The definition of strategy is a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim, and TRP is this applied to sex. You can only hate-fuck so many women. Eventually you mature into understanding that what we're talking about is their nature, not their fault. They do not use logic by default. They're wired to work a certain way. Would you blame a computer for doing as it's programmed just because it doesn't give you the answer you want? You could, but that gets you nowhere. The better course of action is to either reprogram it, or find a way to give it the right inputs to get the output you want.

I approach TRP like this: Hospitals aren't for the healthy. They're for the sick who want to get better.

The carousel is a fact of life in western society. I don't feel any need to stop women from riding it. My valuation of a woman includes how long/hard she rode the carousel, but that's not all there is. I'm not bitter towards a post-wall woman, if anything there's a bit of pity for her. I understand my role is to be the leader of the relationship, and to give her value so that she sticks around. I have to do my job to get what I want. And that is an incredibly empowering feeling.

myTRPaccount · 2014-04-17T19:16:34+00:00

You're mistaking a couple of things. The first is that we don't hate CC riders, we just do not believe they make good LTR material. Just like women tell each other that they shouldn't marry "bad boys" or "players".

The second, is that most RPers are not looking for LTRs, so dating and hooking up with a CC rider is not hypocritical, because the drawback that they make poor LTR material is irrelevant.

How this is not obvious to people is beyond me.

Women do the same shit. "Oh have fun with the bad boys, but you have to marry the Nice Guy". I don't see the difference, and the fact that women get butthurt over this is beyond me.

sexowlinyourwindow · 2014-04-17T19:02:47+00:00

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mordanus · 2014-04-17T18:55:31+00:00

Most of the guys here don't hate sluts. We just want them to know how they fit into the scheme of things. If a woman becomes a slut she no longer is relationship material. That is all we are saying. Guys don't want a girl that has a lot of sexual baggage to bring into the relationship.

We have no problem with sluts. We have a problem with them acting entitled about how awesome they are and how much of our resources they deserve.

get_it_together1 · 2014-04-17T20:56:28+00:00

I probably ended up sleeping with 8 or 9 girls.

I am the cock carousel.

This shit has me cracking up.

RedFlagsAreGood · 2014-04-17T22:20:32+00:00

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JP_Whoregan · 2014-04-17T19:33:50+00:00

I have NO PROBLEM with sluts....until they turn 29 or 30 and start demanding a man to "settle down with" who "won't play games", and want men to completely ignore the decade of cock-jumping they did, and give them the LTR and stability she wants after she hits the wall. It's the "cake and eat it too" mentality they have that annoys me. They say "I'm tired of games", meaning they're tired of playing the game that they invented when they were giving away their pussy like flyers for a concert. And because we wanna keep playing, even though they don't (can't play because wall-slam), they start whining about "where are all the good men."

To paraphrase quote Tomassi, women think their career is an indicator of her past success, her credit rating is an indicator of past responsibility in paying bills, her college GPA is an indicator of her past scholastic achievement, but somehow her stratospheric sexual partner number is not an indicator of past sluttiness, and we as men are supposed to all of a sudden see her as "LTR material". Then they wonder why we search out women 10 years younger than they are, and shame us with the aformentioned "age appropriate relationship" garbage.

TheOpposingView · 2014-04-17T20:32:41+00:00

No one cares.

Invalidity · 2014-04-17T20:12:54+00:00

The only people who hate the riders are the ones looking for committed relationships. It becomes pretty disillusioning but once you realize that you don't need a relationship to be happy, you can easily adapt and fully take advantage of the situation. It sucks for those riders though, because they are in fact looking for a relationship but from unavailable guys.

2014-04-17T20:53:18+00:00

We are the cock carousel yes. However you fail to grasp one important part of TRP: we're not trying to change the system, we're trying to take advantage of the system.

A girl wants to get pumped and dumped? That's her decision. I will happily pump and dump her. That doesn't mean I have to respect her wishes to be in a LTR once she hits the wall. I have zero obligation to respect her wishes to be upgraded to LTR status, or really to respect her at all.

Is it a double standard? Yes. However, there's another double standard that works against men. You know what I call a man who easily commits to a low quality woman? A beta chump.

A woman who wants to ride the cock carousel will find her cock without fail. This is the mark of a low quality woman. Why shouldn't I be that cock? I'm simply providing a service.

Always remember, women control the gateway for sex. Men control the gateway for a relationship. Just as a low quality woman will easily give sex, a low quality man will easily give a relationship.

I don't hate sluts. I just don't respect them when they bemoan the consequences of their actions.

Whisper · 2014-04-17T22:40:19+00:00

Not this shit again.

How many times does this question have to be answered before it goes away?

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of relationships. If a man gets friendzoned, it's his fault. If a woman gets no call back after a night of sex, that's her fault.

Pumping and dumping sluts is second prize. We'd rather have a woman we wanted to keep. But that's not up to us. It's up to them. We are the cock carousel, indeed. But changing that isn't up to us, because we don't have that power. Only women have that power.

It is not opening her legs, but being dumped afterwards, that gives a woman a high partner count.

monsieurhire2 · 2014-04-18T01:10:20+00:00

Dude, you have most of us all wrong; to me the cock carousel is this:

The girl: "What is the maximum number of years I can fuck as many guys as I want for shallow reasons and still wind up with a beta provider right before I'm about to hit the wall?"

I don't care if a girl has had A LOT of sex with 5 or 6 boyfriends and then a few one night stands. While I'm not thrilled by it, it is entirely understandable that the average hot girl is going to be curious enough about sex to find partners. This is my personal preference, because I'm suspicious of virgins as I think most do it out of fear or ignorance. I DO care if the girl has had no long-term relationships, or if she did, she cheated on them, and has a had a zillion one-night stands through Tinder and OKCupid. I DO care if the girl pisses away all of her good fertile years fucking as many dudes as she can. This says she is not even remotely close to being anywhere near LTR material.

Starrucca · 2014-04-17T19:10:41+00:00

No one should be BITCHING about the CC. We're laughing at it.

We're laughing because these females think that they're "experiencing the world" and "learning about themselves" or doing anything other than whoring around.

We whore around, take every slice of pie we can get our hands on, but at least we aren't deluded to think otherwise. Hardy har har.

2comment · 2014-04-17T20:14:18+00:00

Thank you Captain Obvious but I still won't LTR them just because you can't do better.

Zackcid · 2014-04-17T20:04:05+00:00

Sluts are an incredibly important part of the sexual ecosystem.

But we sure as hell aren't going to wife those sluts. The same way girls have loser "m'lady" orbiters for the commitment but don't give them sex, we have sluts to give us sex without us having to commit to them.

Nobody hates sluts except possibly the guys that can't even get laid from even a slut. But we do know that we aren't wasting our valuable resource (our commitment) on them the same way a woman won't waste her valuable resource (sex) on guys that aren't worthy.

MartialWay · 2014-04-18T03:35:00+00:00

You're just now figuring this out? Welcome to the other half of the redpill.

And for the record, most Redpillers LOVE honest whores. They just refuse to be played by them.

"“I refused to be the fool, dancing on the strings held by those..." -The Godfather

dray121212 · 2014-04-17T18:29:22+00:00

Piping hoes is fun for guys...and fulfilling. Riding the cock carousel is fun for woman...not fulfilling though. In fact, quite damaging; at least for MOST.

get_it_together1 · 2014-04-17T18:52:27+00:00

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SQQQ · 2014-04-17T18:52:30+00:00

different ppl use different methods. u lift weights, i pay cash. whatever floats ur boat.

ur right that we are part of the reason why girls arn't virgins brides any more. but i still think rampant feminism is the root cause. neither of us would get as much pussy had it not been for the sex culture.

still though... would u actually consider marrying up the CC riders? or just dick around until mid 30's then maybe.... just maybe.... go for a good girl?

Aerobus · 2014-04-17T21:38:43+00:00

Sluts are fine. They can sleep around as much as they want. The problem is that they believe they have the same SMV as a 22 year old virgin who's been saving herself for marriage. Hint: the slut does not have the same SMV.

draketton · 2014-04-17T18:31:49+00:00

http://www.rooshv.com/the-contradiction-of-pursuing-casual-sex-while-advocating-for-traditional-values

roadhand · 2014-04-17T23:34:25+00:00

If you are here just to get laid, you may not have really swallowed the pill yet.

TRP is about seeing through the bullshit and becoming a better person in all areas of your life, in spite of what parents, friends, women and the media try to sell you.

Actively working to improve your health and your mind will benefit you in many ways. Better jobs, quality friends and relationships, etc.

For the record, it's usually women that hate and shame sluts - sluts reduce the 'scarcity' of the only valuable asset of many women.

We are just upfront in saying that we do not wish to marry/LTR sluts, regardless of the fact that modern women want to be treated as virtuous princesses while acting much less than virtuous. Tough.

PUA's and those who study 'game' can get laid, it's not hard to predict women.

Better yourself and your life will improve, not just your bed.

2014-04-18T02:45:06+00:00

No one hates carousel riders. God bless feminism, because it's made women think its cool to not need commitment in return for sex. There's no ill will towards sluts.

There is, however, a problem when these girls act like they aren't carousel riders to manipulate men into marriage. It's the fudging of character, the misrepresentation that draws ire. In fact, it's similar to the hate for PUA by women; they hate the idea that they can get tricked, that men can appear high status and get a high status girl to commit / give sex to a lower status guy. They do not "hate" the lower status guy, they hate the lower status guy who tricks them.

Personally I don't hate other people because it's immature and a waste of time. But believe the guys who hate carousel riders do so because they resent the trickery. They hate the fact that a girl can erase her past by lying (or so she think) and lie about her gangbangs in college, and this high value guy will never know that he settled for a whore.

The carousel riders who are honest are fine. The carousel riders who shape up by say 27 and then realize the flaw in their plan, and manage to make a half-alpha/beta type guy happy, and they manage to raise a good family... that is fine. That is a beautiful thing. It's like a junkie waking up in his twenties, going back to school, and having a fulfilling career and family, perhaps way later and lower quality than he could have had, but still something of value.

And even the carousel riders snorting coke off dude's dicks in bathroom stalls at the club. I love them too. I just wouldn't want to date one and have her acting like a woman who had spent the past 5 years working on herself, her career, etc, instead of living off of various beta bucks and handouts until she found me.

johnnight · 2014-04-17T19:12:33+00:00

Or you learn TRP early, choose one and keep her off the fucking fucking market.

otiswild · 2014-04-17T18:24:47+00:00

More like a clown carousel...

Rumble_in_the_Jungle · 2014-04-17T19:42:11+00:00

Some people do complain, but it usually goes along the lines of "It sucks how the dating market has become. Girls on the CC is a bad thing, but I just have to adjust and make the best of the current situation."

You're arguing against an imagined general consensus that just doesn't exist here. We all understand that we have to become one of the rides on the CC if we want to sleep around, but that doesn't mean we can't lament the present conditions.

If you want to sleep with a lot of girls, you want to be the cock carousel. If you want a near-virgin for an LTR then you'd best become a Christian... If you want X, become X, if you want Y, become Y, etc.

You're a bit off here again. It is men who value loyalty in women, not the other way around. This is why there is a trend of women who would rather share an alpha than settle for a whole beta.

Therefore, if you want to find X, Y, or Z, it makes sense to become attractive to women in general, not to mimic X, Y, Z.

tmpjb · 2014-04-17T22:13:03+00:00

You just don't get it. The environment changed before we did. If we lived like 70 years ago, where abstinence until marriage was the norm and women did their fair share, then i would be all for LTRs. The problem is that practically every girl is a slut now AND marriage is a sour deal for men. This makes the white picket fence dream obsolete. So I can either stay celibate until i find a unicorn or become the CC for some free attachmentless sex. I think we all know the logical choice.

MockingDead · 2014-04-17T21:16:11+00:00

I'm the bench with the stars and mirrors on it.

Haraklus · 2014-04-18T02:52:29+00:00

Not long ago, a girl came on to me. I told her straight up, I couldn't be her boyfriend. She got visibly upset but played it cool and said she was bit looking for anything serious. We hooked up; she felt like she couldn't back out because she just told me she had no expectations, I think. Six months later, she's engaged to a well to do nerdy guy who has never been in a relationship before. I feel so sorry for him. Sbe's going to get bored and hamster her way into half of his possessions. I am the cock carousel.

dave_is_not_here · 2014-04-18T06:45:48+00:00

I am the cock carousel pathetic betas bitch about

No you're not. Had you "pursued casual sex" with vigor, maybe you could claim that.

Other than that you're pretty much right on.

SariaLystra · 2014-04-18T09:59:12+00:00

The cock carousel is only relevant when talking about the hypocrisy of women. The hypocrisy is that after 15 years of bouncing up and down on no less than 20 different dicks, she wants a nice wholesome life (translation: I had my fun and thew away every opportunity for a nice guy. Now I'm an old hag and those same guys must now accept me)

Otherwise, it works to our benefit: because women are so liberal about sex out of some misguided notion about being free and empowered, we benefit by having the option of fucking 20 something's instead of sticking with some 30 year old broad who's in panic mode and trying to find a beta to marry.

8HourPower · 2014-04-17T18:18:51+00:00

The fact that you find the same people bitching about the CC while trying to spin plates and fuck bitches just indicates the massive hamster that continues to infect betas as they try to swallow TRP. If you want to sleep with a lot of girls, you want to be the cock carousel.

You have a great point here on the equilibrium of the sexual market, as it may pan out in an individual context. This can spark some real great discussion.

if you're reading this sub and bitching about the cock carousel, you're probably not it.

common, not all red-pillers are like dat ;)

bassivemalls · 2014-04-17T20:35:27+00:00

I'm reasonably attractive, I swam competitively for 12 summers, I lifted weights, and I was in engineering.

Pretty sure the fact that you were studying engineering did absolutely zero for you to hook up with chicks. While a fellow man can certainly appreciate your future earning potential, most college girls and women in general, only care about what you can offer them right this very second--the fact that you were going to be making a lot of money in the future doesn't really do it for them because women have trouble appreciating long term assets especially when it comes to hookups.

Source: I'm pre-med and it hasn't done me any favors and I don't expect being a medical student will either.

AnotherLostCause · 2014-04-18T00:01:16+00:00

What you say is true but it doesn't alter the fact post CC women are worthless for LTR or marriage. For people looking for a NAWALT good luck, try overseas. Women and BP men created this state of affairs. RP men are playing the hand they were dealt.

rico_montoya · 2014-04-18T04:15:02+00:00

Why detest a bee when it stings you? After all, it's the bee's nature.

skinisblackmetallic · 2014-04-18T13:49:10+00:00

A lot of bitching, in genera,l on this sub... a lot.

aphelion3342 · 2014-04-18T20:28:56+00:00

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harkrank · 2014-04-17T22:23:22+00:00

How can you seriously not get it? Male promiscuity and female promiscuity are not the same thing because we have different biological roles.

watersign · 2014-04-18T01:46:32+00:00

you're missing the point, the more women a guys sleeps with, the higher his value is..the same rule DOES NOT apply to women. It's okay for men to sow their oats, not so much for women.

randomredditor352 · 2014-04-18T02:53:40+00:00

Wow dude. You've slept with like 12 girls and you're the cock carousel? I've slept with 15+ (I honestly lose track), I'm almost certainely 5+ years younger, I don't even make an effort to fuck girls anymore and I consider my history to be mediocre at best. You've given me confidence.

-Tyler_Durden- · 2014-04-18T05:28:22+00:00

This thread has to be a SRS joke. We're getting trolled.

get_it_together1 · 2014-04-17T18:14:21+00:00

I wasn't sure if this was theory or a rant, but it sounds more like a rant. However, the idea that so many readers here aspire to become the cock carousel is an important one, and it's something that escapes so many readers given the hatred directed towards the riders of the cock carousel. This hatred feels like the product of sexually frustrated young men who aspire to become successful so that they can spit in the face of all those women who spurned them, which is a horrible motivation but still better than no motivation at all.

Anyhow, I'm curious what you guys think about this.

2014-04-18T11:53:59+00:00

An eminently sensible post. The hypocrisy of some Red Pillers is hilarious. They criticise women who sleep around whilst engaging in that behaviour themselves.

jacks1000 · 2014-04-17T18:39:50+00:00

LOL - finally somebody gets it.

Title	We are the Cock Carousel
Author	get_it_together1
Upvotes	187
Comments	211
Date	April 17, 2014 6:08 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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