Why Certain Groups Hate TRP

AngraMainyuu · 2014-05-02T00:15:36+00:00

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AngraMainyuu · 2014-05-01T23:03:56+00:00

I think you're looking too much into it. My theory is its just cuz people nowadays are such pussies and they dont like people talking about views that contradict their own idealistic pussy view of the world. It's the same people who believe their country shouldnt have a military because everyone should trust and love everybody.

Evil_Patriarch · 2014-05-02T06:07:52+00:00

I'd say a main reason for the hate, specifically the extreme "they are literally Hitler" brand that we get from the SJW crowd is there plain misunderstanding of what this is.

They think our approach to the world is the same as theirs, when really it's the complete opposite.

They see the world, and say "this is how it should be" and then do whatever they can to try to change it to match their vision. They actively try to change everything around them to be the world they want to live in, and scream and cry when it doesn't go their way.

TRP is the opposite, it says "this is how the world is" and then does whatever it can to adapt to that world.

Simplest example:

Women like fit men. TRP solution: hit the gym and work hard to be a fit man.

Men like athletic women. SJW solution: call men misogynists for having standards and try to shame them into accepting a new standard of beauty that you define.

SJW's simply don't understand that we are only trying to change ourselves to adapt to the world, so they assume that whenever we have commentary on the world we are trying to change it (and since generally our commentary is on the fucked up ways in which feminism is changing things counter to our natural instincts, they see us as a direct threat to their never ending quest to change the world).

FortunateBum · 2014-05-02T02:05:51+00:00

I think both Tolstoy and Esther Villar wrote about the female conspiracy. You may be on to something.

Something I've learned about women through TRP, women hate free speech. The second someone expresses a POV they don't agree with, it's war.

Grimmov · 2014-05-02T01:33:29+00:00

I'm just going to point out that actual capitalists are the furthest thing from "authoritarian dominators." Communism/Marxism inherently requires absolute state control in order to implement its mechanisms, whereas Capitalism is the free market that automatically and dynamically emerges when people are left in a state of unfettered freedom. Please do not conflate the two. TRP is an inherently individualistic and freedom-seeking philosophy, and therefore is aligned with other freedom-seeking philosophies and opposed to ones that destroy that freedom.

As for the main point of your post, this is exactly what's happening on a meta level, but very few individuals realize they are taking part in this racket and they do not consciously ascribe their motivations to trying to maintain it. Ignorance does not absolve them from moral responsibility, though.

Manmore · 2014-05-02T02:24:08+00:00

Of course, you're damn right. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Who's going to marry all the single mothers if they can do better?

What man with options is going to wife and give all their money to the washed up woman that got booted off the carousel.

Who is going to kill themselves making someone else rich in the corporate ratrace when they are getting laid regularly and have the knowledge and motivation to start their own business?

What red pill man is going to give into his wife's demands to have more children just so he can start getting laid again regularly for the first time in months or years?

Once a certain number of men have swallowed the pill, western society as we know it crumbles. It doesn't have to be an overt conspiracy. Those who benefit from the current system are well aware of the status quo that must be maintained to keep on keepin' on. Prepare to see red pill content soon considered hate speech.

knitro · 2014-05-02T02:14:27+00:00

This is way too conspiratorial for me. Those opposed to RP aren't that insidious nor is it the operation of some oppressive thought police. It's as simple as people preferring reassuring lies vs brutal truths, for a variety of (understandable) human reasons.

Anytime people are confronted about something that's an insecurity or ugly truth, the first reaction is protest. If you ever insult someone, whatever they react to the strongest is what digs at them the most - this is what bullies do, probe til they find the sore spot and then divert all energy towards it. It seems obvious but it takes practice to not immediately betray what sets you off. It's why you can almost always guess whatever a go-to insult for someone would be 'he's fat/short/ugly' whatever. The short guy who can truly have a insult about his height roll off his back? that's power.

The original roissy tagline (when it was the original guy, not whatever goober's penning it now) was "Where Pretty Lies Perish". RP is very similar, if you look at as an 'unveiling' of the rules of the game.

circlhat · 2014-05-01T23:38:48+00:00

They don't put that much thought into it. It simply different and easy to attack and bully. Its a natural response , to prove my point post TRP knowledge without TRP buzzword and you will get upvoted.

The other reason is fear of association, if someone sees someone from TRP getting attacked and their life ruined(DOX'ing) they don't want to be apart of that so they will attack TRP without even knowing what it is.

GayLubeOil · 2014-05-02T08:04:20+00:00

Having your world view challenged is unpleasant because if the challenger is correct you have to rethink and redo your cognitive filters. Also peoe who havent been exposed ti sufficient stress in their lives get offended easily.

sam_ba_lam · 2014-05-02T02:28:05+00:00

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~Goethe~

To be free by illusion is no freedom at all, thus individual conflict is already apparent yet imperceptible.

Then the individual, already in conflict is presented with an unpopular perception as is TRP and the rest is history.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~Gandhi~

If one looks into the biological aspects of life and into nature itself, TRP tenets make sense but the majority of individuals do not do this and the same could be said for any perception that challenges the established order. For the slave is a happy slave and will not have their illusions shattered.

p3ndulum · 2014-05-02T03:02:46+00:00

Bill Whittle - The Narrative - Politcal Correctness

2014-05-02T04:30:23+00:00

http://paulgraham.com/say.html

jonforthewin · 2014-05-02T01:50:46+00:00

One of the big responses I got to this question was that TRP is only for male improvement. I replied that women are allowed to improve however they like and got heavily downvoted.

That negative response to an male-focused space speaks volumes.

Big_Bad_Wulf · 2014-05-02T05:14:59+00:00

We piss them off because we're brutally honest, many of us refuse to act in socially acceptable manners. TRP exists to get a guy to what will make him happy and succeed, and to shit on everything that makes that difficult to do for everyone. We prefer to live on in our ideals peacefully, everyone just wants a little success. But we also go out of our way to attack anything that violates our ideals. Our bond is simple, we all want the same thing, and whatever attacks one of us is a threat to all of us.

2014-05-02T05:35:31+00:00

Human beings are hardwired for conformity. When you expose an age old system that increasingly disproportionately benefits one segment of society you can very well expect pushback from said group. I've never understood why male activist groups make people so angry, considering the majority of us don't pose any legitimate threat to anyone living a bluepill life.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-05-02T06:09:55+00:00

We are, in essence, exposing something tantamount to a criminal racket: cultural engineering designed to subjugate and enslave men.

THIS is why they hate us. It is not just the angry criminal response- more like little girls humming with their fingers in their ears while lashing out randomly.

Whisper · 2014-05-02T06:22:34+00:00

DARVO.

Deny.

Attack.

Reverse Victim and Offender.

VoiceofKane · 2014-05-02T13:45:03+00:00

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Dr_Jre · 2014-05-01T22:05:27+00:00

"cultural engineering designed to subjugate and enslave men."

Yet most of the people here think results based systems where men are put in direct competition with each other in a mandatory fashion should be implemented...

I'm a man and I like competition at my own choice, not to be forced into it by some bloke who thinks he knows more about life than me because he wrestled a few more boys down as a teenager.

Nah soz. I think people don't like TRP because it's deluded and archaic. It removes the freedoms we all are afforded because "we know what's best for you and you don't know it because you're coddled". Bull, you don't know you're wrong because you're bullied and now that you see everyone else is happy and enjoying freedom and care it stings a bit, don't it?

Bring on the BANHAMMERS!

Blood_Vaults · 2014-05-01T22:57:08+00:00

Google GBFM and read his blog

jonforthewin · 2014-05-02T01:57:14+00:00

the hatred that capitalists have for marxists

Capitalists have to get you to volunteer your money for their product/service. Marxists want to point guns at people to end voluntary exchange.

Capitalism is just a form of economic flow, where "capitalism exploits!" is not capitalism, but imperialism.

Look at the hatred marxists / "progressives" have for capitalists, most especially the hatred those among "the left" White Heterosexual Able-bodied Affluent Successful Gun-owning Conservative RedPill Men.

SWALLOWTHISPILLBITCH · 2014-05-02T12:32:59+00:00

We are undermining the sexual strategy of the female sex. Our strategy defeats theirs, they see this, and in true female fashion they respond not with logical arguments, but with anger and ridiculous accusations.

2014-05-02T19:18:38+00:00

I made a post, not too long ago, about people being negative towards TRP and there were some good responses. Might help clear things up a bit.

It's a lot of reading sorry. Surely you can just go through my submitted posts to see it on a better format.

http://redditlog.com/snapshots/494177

Dreamtrain · 2014-05-02T20:13:13+00:00

Everybody I know will accept RP as long as you don't introduce it to them as a framework or "a thing" to apply to their lives and make a change, but rather, just telling it like it is "we deserve equal dignity and respect as humans BUT we ARE different: women do X and Y, and men do this and that", little by little you tell them and they agree, curiously SPECIALLY the women (there's some irony there).

The only two people who i've had who disagree is my brother who thinks both men and women hamster in the same way and when we talked about hypergamy (though not under that name) he insisted men do the same but then he explained it to me he pretty much described the polygamist nature of men instead.

The other one is my uber militant bossy feminist best friend, she is always proud to think of herself as "one of the guys", she resents her family's traditional and rural background that has pressured her to begin looking to marry as she was nearing her mid 20s. She has not liked my different way of thinking/acting lately, she has stated that me being a nurturing has only backfired on me because society, that I am great the way I am (was). Shitstorms arise whenever I even hint gender roles.

2014-05-02T08:10:58+00:00

BPers see social interactions not through our shared subconscious behavioral drives but rather their own understanding of ethical and moral behavior. Ironically, their moral/ethical framework itself is skewed as it represents an idealized reality which benefits them without taking into account the opinions and preferences of others.

They judge others who refuse to act off of this false sense of shared morality as lesser than them. They may be completely clueless and be constantly taken advantage of, but in their minds they're taking the high road by refusing to compromise on their morals.

TRP discusses relationship strategies in a completely amoral fashion, and that simply doesn't compute in their mind.

EDIT: Don't downvote. Use your words.

2014-05-02T08:37:50+00:00

I think it's actually because of how it's described. People say this place condones rape and is misogynist, both of which are clearly false. I think this comes from the bitterness that a lot of new users have and also that lots of people here are into game.

If people outside could see past the 5% of stupidity (there are some very bitter guys here) here, they would see this place is about self improvement and happiness.

Most people here were probably bp at one point. Never was I in on a scam. You just think it's reality because of inexperience or not accepting that reality might be different from what you were told.

trp_que · 2014-05-02T16:38:22+00:00

Your view of it seems a little bit conspiracy theory-ish. I think it is more related to the fact that TRP goes against the grain of what is considered politically correct and normalized in today's culture.

2014-05-02T08:53:47+00:00

You're thinking too much like a conspiracy theorist and proposing a reason based on the symptoms and not a cause (aka believing the absence of evidence is evidence of). I think the explanation is much simpler.

By challenging the status quo, anyone gets ostracized. This is not due to some "scam" or everyone being criminal: its everyone being human. Since humans are social creatures, it is natural to go along with the popular opinion to stay safely within the herd. In essence, they surrender their ability to speak their mind for safety. Try yelling you love totalitarianism at the top of your lungs to the American democracy-loving public and see what happens.

If you've taken a political philosophy class, this should sound familiar. This is the essence behind the trials of Socrates: Socrates dares to challenge the rule of Athens with his own ideas and is sentenced to die for it. Most of Western philosophy points to this as the moment political philosophy is born. It is a question not of how to best rule man but in what manner to express belief (see Leo Strauss' "What is Political Philosophy?") and to communicate ideas to other people with similar ideas without alerting a crowd around you that you hold ideas different from your own. This is otherwise known as escotericism and is a cornerstone of Plato's political philosophical works (and Strauss').

If political philosophy has taught TRP anything, its that you cannot run out screaming about TRP ideas: you must present them to those who are willing and worthy of those ideas.

TL;DR: People hate TRP because it goes against the mainstream because they must pretend to hate anything that is against the commonly accepted belief in order to survive amongst the herd. It's not a conspiracy.

Title	Why Certain Groups Hate TRP
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Date	May 1, 2014 9:38 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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