My no-tomfoolery flowchart for day-game opening

relentless_pma · 2020-07-21T19:38:55+00:00

It feels weird to start a convo with such a random question. Have not done something like this tho.

yeetingeggs · 2020-07-22T00:58:11+00:00

Does this work if my name isn't Rob

asuddenthot · 2020-07-21T18:58:31+00:00

This is some genius, would totally work on me

moonchef · 2020-07-21T22:27:53+00:00

I would print this off and show her and run the same line of questioning but in regards to flowcharts

brownhoosierboy · 2020-07-22T01:30:02+00:00

If you’re a newbie who hasn’t been applying the material, this is perfect. You don’t have an excuse for not approaching. The dialogue is right fucking here. But as you get better, switch it up- add your own style and it will be more organic. As for those of you bashing the flowchart- fuck you. Everyone has their own hurdles to pass. If you’re going to criticize, at least leave some valuable advice along with it. Thank you for attending my TED talk ;)

inhuman_beatbox · 2020-07-22T03:26:53+00:00

Sorry guys, if you don't recognize how corny and artificial this sounds, you're fucked.

"Can I get your opinion on something? Do you prefer local coffee shops or starbucks?" Why would you need or want someone's opinion on that subject?

You sound like you're doing market research. Or you're the dullest human on earth.

Celobrix · 2020-07-22T05:36:31+00:00

Nice chart man, appreciate the effort you’ve put into this.

This will certainly work at a newbie level, even intermediate but it will hamper your results if you want to go further for a few reasons.

1) You’re not giving her any indication of positive personality traits. She has to make a judgement call based on your appearance, tonality, and body language with no idea who you are.

2) You’re not making it man to woman. The conversation has no flirty undertones to set the stage of the interaction.

3) It’s quite linear. Having such a set conversation pattern gives you no room to improvise. It also means you run the risk of coming off as robotic if you say it too often.

It’s not a bad way to get started by any means, but if you get stuck or don’t seem to be making progress any of the above could be the reason.

My suggestion is ditching this and trying direct openers for two weeks to get used to making the conversation man to woman. You can transition back to opinion openers after you get comfortable making it a man to woman interaction.

Surrbachi · 2020-07-22T01:19:10+00:00

I wish I could use this but I don’t have a manbun.

ZoobleBat · 2020-07-21T19:36:32+00:00

Can't see too small..

Mindboggle_ · 2020-07-21T19:25:28+00:00

I like it, simple and easy.

gigi79sd · 2020-07-22T01:35:31+00:00

Please stop saying "Go on an adventure/have an adventure". Cringe.

recyclablebanthas · 2020-07-21T21:05:07+00:00

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2020-07-21T19:05:11+00:00

Gotta get that PuMpKin lATe

SundaySermon · 2020-07-21T20:03:17+00:00

Don't do this. If you can't say something situational, just tell her you wanted to meet her.

Permafrost92 · 2020-07-22T03:26:00+00:00

People enough with this bs and beating around the bush. Aside from just saying Hi or Hey and introducing yourself.

One of the best daygame openers you can use is:

"Hey, I was just walking by, and this gonna sound a bit random. But I just though you were absolutely adorable. I had to come say hi"

The first part is the attention grabber.(she probably wont register this)
The second part shows acknowledgment, that you know its outside of social norms and you're not some social retard.
The third part is the direct part. Slow down and zone in on the delivery to make an emotional impact.

Once you're comfortable and consistent with this, you can start playing around with your opener and modifying this opener. Adding some push-pulls etc

(Side note: this opener isnt the be all end all of openers. In fact your subcoms are the most important part for any single opener period.)

JoshiStitic · 2020-07-22T05:36:36+00:00

r/decaf is trembling with anger

signebinefigne · 2020-07-22T06:05:34+00:00

Honestly, i would be pissed off if someone came up to me like this. This seems more like a “how to mansplain about coffee”. For me, a guy assuming that i would want to know about his favorite coffee-place or thinking he could change my opinion on starbucks vs. local, this would be a red flag.

I know it comes from a good place and that this might me harsh. But try seeing it from the girls perspective. She is not there to talk to you. If she made it clear that she wants to talk to you (bodylanguage) then go ahaed. But if not then you are most likely disturbing her.

Instead, make it quick, be confident but humble. Something like “i saw you from over there and i had to try to talk to you. Maybe can i have your number” I would be a thousand times more likely to like you. All you need to do is make her smile and then leave.

earsurgery9 · 2020-07-22T16:15:07+00:00

kinda like the mysterymethod.

But ALL 'game' really is cringey, tbh.

Guys who get laid aren't doing any 'game', tbh. They're just themselves. And they're either good looking OR they are at least decent looking IN HER EYES. And different girls have different physical tastes. Then they just chat with girls, ask them quetsions (no fucking cringey cold reads, please!!!) and IF they can tell she thinks he's hot (have self awarenesS!!) he'll flirt and escalate.

All this canned pushpull, neg, opinion opener bla bla bla is so autistic and only serves to put you in your head. You've been fooled by PUA marketing and fake infields and fake 'lay reports etc from people who want your money

It's not hard. There's VERY little to learn. It's a numbers game at EVERY level. Unless you lookin like young Leo Dicaprio you are gonna get rejected a hell of a lot, and the game verbals/style you choose to employ (mystery, or rsd, or cockyfunny, or James Bond style etc etc) will only vary your percentage by an almost insignificant amount

Nobody can bang girls and force attraction in them with 'game' if he's not her type.

brutusdidnothinwrong · 2020-07-22T03:27:31+00:00

no-tomfoolery? Sounds like a lot of tomfoolery with no intent/premise

WryLanguage · 2020-07-22T01:51:26+00:00

Dude why you gotta make it so complicated

ArmedSquirel · 2020-07-22T01:31:32+00:00

nice one, i will def use it

ignore these "Hi I'm Scott" dudes in comments if your game is to go and introduce yourself and give compliment I count that as you have 0 game, what makes you different from other guys who do the same, why the first thing about you she needs to know is your name? and why the hell you think her knowing your name makes her comfortable? Also you introuducing yourself and complimenting is dead end.

1.Hi I'm Scott 2.Hi, I'm 《whatever》 3.Nice shoes 4.thank you then you either go to dead-end or ask bunch of more boring questions that is type of thing that only works if a girl is desperate

I am saying this out of good will, rehardless the more Scotts that girl meets, the better my game appears

7GoodVibes · 2020-07-22T03:11:22+00:00

Most everything seems fine to, as a basic outline and model.

I do have two questions, though.

First, if she says no on your first question, why are you leaving? The point is to have a conversation, and you could use her answer here still. Have a follow-up as a contingency.

Second, what is your reasoning for entering your number in her phone, instead of at some later point having her enter her number into your phone? Most women don’t do anything with a guy’s number.

Raagul_ARJUNAN · 2020-07-22T03:44:37+00:00

Great one, almost works for all the situation

ImPlayingTheSims · 2020-07-22T04:07:37+00:00

Thanks for this! This is really cool

vaporwaverhere · 2020-07-22T06:44:34+00:00

I'm not going to say anything positive or negative about this. It just reminded me of Sheldon Cooper when he tried to make an algorithm of how to make friends in the show The big bang theory.

VDKay · 2020-07-22T07:33:39+00:00

I'm, all in for the "whatever works for you" mantra, but let me give you some constructive ideas on how you can improve that flowchart (according to my personal observations and experience):

There is no clear reason as to WHY you want to get HER to for coffee. You haven't told her that you like her or you'd like to talk more and see her again (why?), etc. (see 3)
You don't seem to have a clear purpose on some of the threads. The purpose is to get her number. I don't see how you can easily transition to that. That is the most crucial part.
One way to transition would be to let her help you, and then tell her that you think she is really helpful/social/cool/cute and you like that a lot because society nowadays is so closed-off, ... blah blah... and you'd like to get to know her more, so why don't we go out check that coffee shop out. Here, dial-in your number.
There is no plausible scenario/logic behind most threads. You either have to add more convo on the chart, or I'm understating something wrong. I'd suggest you back-up your "question" with a plausible reason like "I'm doing some market research" or "I'm new to town".
Don't ask her whether you can ask her a question. Instead, approach her and ask her directly "Hey, quick question: Which are better.... ?". This communicate confidence that whatever you are doing at that moment is natural and no 'permission' is needed.
On the first thread with the Franchise, you are immediately attacking a girl's view. I understand this is supposed to be a neg, but you don't know her at all at that point. If anything I'd immediately think that you are going promotion for some local shop. Better try to build some more confidence before you start negging game. Instead, ask her why she thinks so, or which branch is her favorite what her favorite drink is
The "small" -> "don't have a favorite one", is, to my understanding on of the favorable threads and what you are aiming. But reading it again and again, I'd be really convinced that you are again rather doing promotion for that shop, than you are trying to date that girl. Again, after the opener, try to make it clear as soon as possible, that this is about HER, not the coffee shop

Br00dlord · 2020-07-22T07:48:29+00:00

You can get a number off of that, but the chance she will flake is gigantic. Basically, this is a very impersonal conversation, that doesn't lead to much tension. As Todd V says, after you complete your opener - does she know you have a dick? :D

Aliceskies96 · 2020-07-22T08:08:47+00:00

I usually start my chats with “hey I think I dropped something in your pants, might I take a look”.

Even when the guy thinks it’s weird success rate is 95%.

XxJezuesxX · 2020-07-22T11:15:11+00:00

I did the same opinion thing but i asked her about the haircut cuz all of us(me and my boys) are having long hair. She told me to cut it(She said "cut it!!!"), then she recommended to watch a video(haircut tutorial). We have just started talking(one or two months). Does this mean anything?

T1nyJazzHands · 2020-07-22T12:27:17+00:00

Cool idea, boring, stock standard question I’d have 0 interest in answering from a stranger. An equally simple suggestion:

“Hey, sorry to bother but if you have two minutes, I don’t really come out here often and I’m looking to explore! Any recommendations for things to see and do?”

If they respond well, it opens up a dialogue of them either asking you about your interests or them telling you about things they find interesting.

Way more engaging way of finding potential common ground to launch a conversation.

misser_eric · 2020-07-22T18:46:33+00:00

This is a cool blueprint to learn from. However, I’d definitely say to initially disagree with her (even if you actually agree with her) to build tension early on and find a way to justify your opinion to bring her to your way of thinking in a playful way.

7Saturn7Saturn7 · 2020-07-22T21:47:51+00:00

People get pretty testy about the idea of you going up to women and asking about coffee shops huh? Reminds me of that one meme "opener go brrr"

aaronie2g2 · 2020-07-23T02:19:47+00:00

Man flowchart? I’ll show you my TPS reports about this shit also!

_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__ · 2020-07-22T00:55:41+00:00

Nice

jmugs667 · 2020-07-22T01:26:30+00:00

Thats cool people are still doing routines

Zatoichi_Flash · 2020-07-22T03:15:29+00:00

Now THIS is the actionable advice I signed up for.

Samuraibeb0p · 2020-07-22T02:41:32+00:00

This is the way

Mojowhale · 2020-07-22T02:50:58+00:00

gonna comment so i find this later

Mojowhale · 2020-07-22T02:50:36+00:00

gonna comment so i find this later

sashsale · 2020-07-22T16:57:38+00:00

This kind of opener is just a waste of time in my experience. it takes you nowhere. If you wanna play low key in day game you can compliment on outfit shoes or the situation but these things are a total waste of both party's time.

2020-07-22T19:37:05+00:00

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Title	My no-tomfoolery flowchart for day-game opening
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Date	July 21, 2020 6:30 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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