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Educational-Cut4177 · 2021-12-13T02:54:00+00:00

Men want so bad for women to be angry or jealous at them 😂

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-12-13T03:11:00+00:00

One, none of that requires you to be a man.

Two, most men I know don't even do all of that, and they're extremely happy...and married. So maybe don't base your entire existence around getting pussy?

CFinCanada · 2021-12-13T03:08:14+00:00

I am jealous of men's inability to get pregnant, yes. China notwithstanding, they also don't really have to worry about their government trying to legislate their bodies and that makes me quite envious, yes.

ashpr0ulx · 2021-12-13T04:53:03+00:00

1) i am a female blue collar worker in a male dominated field (construction/manufacturing/fabrication) and i work insane hours. so i don’t know how to answer this question.

2) i generally believe in not letting my family starve, yes.

3) don’t different men get different amounts of these things?

4) i don’t spend time on my looks now other than basic hygiene. no makeup, natural hair, my daily outfit is jeans, a t-shirt and steel toe boots.

5) again, idk, different men get different results.

6) probably not. i’m more suited to the field i’m in now than operating on brains.

7) i did spend my 20s studying and working.

8) why are you so obsessed with surgery?

9) some people like their jobs, some don’t.

10) i wouldn’t want to be a man in a divorce case. then again, i don’t want to be either party in a divorce case.

ruboyuri · 2021-12-13T06:50:33+00:00

The male libido seems like more trouble than it’s worth, while also being the one thing that makes my life unpleasant as well

creekcrystall · 2021-12-13T02:40:58+00:00

No. I enjoy my place in society and don’t know why men don’t enjoy theirs since they have all the power

goatismycopilot · 2021-12-13T03:00:56+00:00

I am one of the 9%, barely in that category but I do work pretty hard at a demanding job, I still manage to have friends, a dog, and a few basic bitch past times I enjoy.

AquaChip · 2021-12-13T03:25:16+00:00

Lol no. I don’t even think about it

IcarusKiki · 2021-12-13T05:10:31+00:00

I work in a mostly male dominated area so I already do what you are talking about without being a man. I would actually like less male attention since I have been stalked and harassed before and made to feel unsafe by men. I am jealous of the fact that men are less likely to be singled out and sexually harassed just for existing. It would be nice to be able to go on walks without being afraid of being yelled at or sexually harassed.

rurunoa · 2021-12-13T07:39:51+00:00

more like are you jealous of a modern person that lives under capitalism like almost everyone

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Feisty-Saturn · 2021-12-13T08:36:34+00:00

I’m in tech. I have spent my entire career in fortune 500s. I make six figures. I don’t work a 70 hour week nor do the men I work with. Many of these companies often brag about a good work life balance. Very few companies are causing burn out and the ones that are we are all aware of who they are. So for questions 1 and 2: yes I would have no problem with that because I live that now.

Yes I would like the validation men get. I feel that if I was a man my accomplishments would be more than enough. But as a woman I do think having a family is an expectation for me and doing well financially isn’t enough. If I’m successful but single as a woman at 40 people will say “what’s wrong with her that she can’t find a man”. If I’m successful but single as a man at 40 people will say “why should he get married and risk a gold digger coming after him”.
I don’t know if you are saying men have less time to invest in themselves but I would argue that’s choice because women working in the same fields are able to do some make up 20 min. Upkeep is a choice for most.
Yea sure I would accept their place in society

My job required me to get a 4 year degree which I acquired by the age of 22. Due to my families value on education I chose to get my masters degree, another 2 years. Many of my male counterparts my age do not have their masters so i have actually put in more study time than they have. So for 6 and 7: yes

Where are you stats that these men you are mentioned are misogynistic. You are talking about men that are educated. That hasn’t been my experience and I would actually expect the opposite because educated people tend to be more open minded.
Yes I think the fields that you are talking about men do enjoy their work.
The divorce part sucks but then they should have gotten a prenup. I make six figures and currently own a business that I expect to also make six figures within the next 5 years. I am not getting married without a prenup.

I think the validation was the only thing I was envious of. I do think this post is a bit misinformed and is going off of stereotypes you have maybe seen on tv about these type of men. What you didn’t touch on that I do envy is a mans ability to have kids later. I consider myself very driven but I do want a family and therefore I feel there’s a bigger pressure on me in my twenties to settle down.

NarniaFox · 2021-12-13T09:58:20+00:00

Generally I'm envious of men's inability to get pregnant, physical strength and opportunity to have kids without going through pregnancy and giving birth themselves. Also that they have easier times looking for jobs and get higher salaries and get promoted more often than women, as in Russia people still view men as providers and women as workers who will surely take maternity leave and therefore men "deserve" higher positions and salaries. I'd also prefer that people wouldn't sexually harass me and men get far less of this crap.

But I also know that men have their own hardships, for example compulsory conscription, more violent bullying, higher rates of suicides etc. There are benefits and downsides specific to both genders.

I'm sure not envious of average men's lives, but I also admit that I'm rather privileged. I'm the only child, my mother's supported me during my studies and provided me with everything she could. I have it better than a lot of people in my social circle. An average male life expectancy here is 67 years, while women have 10 years more. An average man either has some low-paid office job or a blue collar job. He works a lot and spends his free time drinking with his friends, playing computer games or watching series. If he lives in his own house, maybe he builds/fixes something there, but most people here live in flats.

From the other hand, I'd say that young guys who have similar to mine background income have it not much worse or better than I do. They aren't from extremely wealthy families, but they're stable middle or upper middle class, most likely they haven't been conscripted, as they got their education and it gives boys the postponement or got diagnosed with something that also gave them it. They have a well-paying job, a partner or maybe their own family already. As I've said they have easier times with finding a job and developing their career.

Now to your more specific questions:

would you enjoy or tolerate the job they have and working the hours they do

I wouldn't be able to enjoy or perform well most physically demanding jobs, but men from my social circle don't really hold these positions either. They're lawyers, doctors etc. If I had an office job right now, we'd have the same working hours and when I did work in educational center, I had more working hours than most my colleagues of both genders, as I was right after the college, had the best rates among other teachers and had issues with saying "no" to getting more and more students and working hours.

would you like supporting a family like they do if they have one

Most men here don't support their families on their own. Plus, I'm into egalitarianism and I prefer to split financial responsibility, so changing gender wouldn't really change anything in this regard for me and my husband.

would you like getting the same amount of attention, intimacy and validation that they get

I got close to zero attention when I was a teen and I was pretty much okay with it. I'd struggle with the male ideas of friendship though, as it seems that they just don't have the same level of connection and they don't provide each other with the same support that women do.

would you like spending the same amount of time on your looks (I imagine a lot of dads just don't have the time to really do)

My husband and I already spend pretty much the same time on our appearance, so, again, gender swapping wouldn't change anything. I don't put on make up nor I have an extensive skin care routine. The only difference here is that I have long hair and they take slightly more time than my husband's short cut.

Would you gladly accept their place and status in society?

Tbh I'm not sure that men here have it much better status-wise. I guess I'd be neutral.

Would you generally be willing to dedicate ~70 hours a week for a number of years to be a specialist in some field like infant surgery, neurosurgery, physics, engineering or any tough profession that is very much needed for the society to function?

I'm not sure that all of specialists in the listed categories work 70 hours a week. From the other hand, I used to work similar hours as a teacher, so probably. Although I'm for a healthy work and life balance, I don't think that neither men or women should live to work.

Would you dedicate your 20s to studying and working, dedicating minimal amount of time for relations, fun and looks (accept being at least slightly out of shape and intake care of, not being very social and liked etc.)

That's pretty much what I'm doing with the exception that I managed to squeeze dating and marrying my husband.

How do you think 7) and 8) would affect your worldview?

It's hard to predict. I guess I'd be rather pissed with our economy that makes people work 70 hours a week. Although I'm pissed with it even as a woman.

do you think many men enjoy their work?

No. Neither do women tbh. Most people work because they need money, not because they're passionate about it.

Do you feel it's just?

Nope, it's a shitty deal. It's also impossible in Russia, as alimonies are paid only if your ex-spouse is pregnant, has just given birth or is disabled. Community property get divided strictly 50/50. Men are equal parents and women can't prohibit them seeing their kids as long as they aren't abusive or don't have addictions. If the party with main custody doesn't let the other seeing their kid, the other can sue them and the court will set time and conditions.

januaryphilosopher · 2021-12-13T12:03:38+00:00

Most of these are life choices I've made anyway. Men aren't forced to make them, and it's not like women can't. I'm not jealous because I'm perfectly capable of having the kind of lifestyle and goals I want.

Chaos_and_Horny · 2021-12-13T20:27:43+00:00

why the fuck would a woman feel jealeous of men? To be male is a womans worse nightmare lol

JoanGreenCat · 2021-12-14T12:02:31+00:00

This is dumb, very stereotypical. I cut most men friends from my life since usually they just want to be friends because they hope I will have sex with them. But yeah lets imagine your scenario.

No, I preferer my job. I worked hard for it.
I don't have a family, if someone decided to have a family they are responsible for it if they like it or not. Think before if you are able to afford it.
How I'm supposed to know what kind of intimacy they get?
I really hope everyone does basic hygiene, I can't wear make up for work so I guess my "getting ready for work" is same as some imaginary dad in your topic.
No, I don't know anyone important in society.
I did.
I did that too.
I guess it won't change anything at this point.
Minority of people really enjoys their work.
I don't know what to think about this. When my parent split my dad had custody so I don't believe a good man doesn't get 50/50 custody. Unless guy just gave up fighting and let the wife go with whatever. If I made so much money I guess my wife stayed at home.

People have to realise that working a LOT of hours destroys family. Money is not everything. Kids just want to see their dad/mom. I know people think about future of the kids but if you are absent for 90% of their childhood don't be surprise they don't want anything to do with you when they grow up. No dying person ever said they regret not working more hours.

The only thing I'm jealous is that men are physically stronger and taken seriously by society.

cccccclairee · 2021-12-13T03:02:02+00:00

I guess I am a man based on the way you’ve phrased most of the above. I did avoid paying my ex husband out but we didn’t have children.

None of that requires being a man, aside from the family court / custody biases which I agree are unjustified at this point and based on the a premise that pisses me off, which is that they basically assume I couldn’t support my own family without a man to help. Fuck that.

sarkington · 2021-12-13T05:11:52+00:00

I am jealous of the fact that almost no one is trying to penetrate their bodies

And that’s about it

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