Is "muscle shaming" common?

2014-11-09T13:12:34+00:00

Muscle shaming is bullshit. I've had plenty of women straight up tell me that they, and all their girlfriends don't like muscles. Those same women are the ones who touch arms/pecks/back every fucking chance they get.

All it takes is a few outspoken women with manlet/skinnyfat/fat boyfriends to start saying they don't like muscles and all the other women in their circle start parroting the same sentiment. They make themselves feel better about their circumstance by lying to themselves and each other.

It's feminism 101. They move the goalposts when they can't kick a goal. They can't get muscled guys so they pretend they don't like muscled guys, thus they have not failed.

"Mind what people do, for deeds will betray a lie". Bitches love muscles.

tymet · 2014-11-09T18:38:13+00:00

"He's clearly making up for his insecurities," she said to her friends, 45 minutes before sucking herself a warm, high protein meal from the end of his dick

gideonrakthor · 2014-11-09T03:44:11+00:00

Real muscle shaming is just a shit test. You look tough and they want to see if its legit. Otherwise they are intimidated and want to bring you down.

severthesavage · 2014-11-09T14:39:08+00:00

If you want a good laugh, head over to /r/swoleacceptance

I'm fairly sure they talk about 'swolesting' and 'swolehsaming' for a laugh, but who knows if there are some who are serious

tenpointsix · 2014-11-09T05:48:19+00:00

You'll find a lot of discussion of this at /r/swoleacceptance

OakTr3E · 2014-11-09T07:57:48+00:00

Yeah. People don't like it when you better yourself because the majority of people around you are content with mediocrity. So they'll say things to drag you down to their level. It's a combination of jealousy and their own fear of putting in effort to change their own lives.

jcrpta · 2014-11-09T14:14:56+00:00

It's a form of crab bucket mentality.

There's only one way out of the bucket, and that is to ignore the crabs that are pulling you down and just carry on regardless.

yeahweewee · 2014-11-09T03:10:36+00:00

only people who get "muscle shamed" atleast from my experience are the fat guys who think their jacked and always talk about lifting, but i don't think that counts

otherwise its all positive

2014-11-09T14:26:55+00:00

I'm no bodybuilder, but I'm pretty built. No one has ever said anything negative about it to my face. (As far as I know neither behind my back.) If anything, I've gotten compliments from both girls and guys. Sure, I sometimes get typical comments about me being useful for moving furniture or whatnot, but that's always in jest. In my opinion, when someone says "too much muscle is gross" they're thinking of pro-bodybuilders or juiced up dudes/girls who can look outright grotesque.

Icecoffee965 · 2014-11-09T18:31:57+00:00

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Locastor · 2014-11-09T10:38:29+00:00

Embrace Brodin's love.

Accept your swole (swole the noun before some chode tries to correct "your").

1pecman · 2014-11-09T15:16:30+00:00

Every now and then a girl will say that I got big and shredded because I'm missing something. The reason I started was because I wasn't happy with my appearance and then it just turned into an addiction of hitting goal after goal.

I wouldn't worry about, for every girl that will judge you negatively for being muscular there are 10 that will bat their eyelashes at you while their hands are on your chest or arms.

Dr_Wally · 2014-11-09T15:20:28+00:00

I reach for my crotch and then ask, "you wanna see my biggest muscle" or "you wanna see my smallest muscle" (depends on the audience.) that usually ends whatever shaming you may receive.

Killigraphy · 2014-11-09T10:18:21+00:00

If a guy like Mark Hunt muscle shames you, guess what, he's just having fun, but in no, way, shape or form is he jealous.

If a guy like Dustin Diamond tries to shame you...best believe he's on full blown Omega mode.

Rebound · 2014-11-09T12:19:41+00:00

It's a jealousy/insecurity thing, just like how dumb people hate smart people, poor people hate rich people, etc etc

peekAchewZ · 2014-11-09T08:23:43+00:00

Really? Why should you give a fuck what anyone says about you being jacked? Would an alpha feel insecure about being ripped? No! That's a beta trait.

OakTr3E · 2014-11-09T15:09:46+00:00

I am rarely experiencing it (been lifting for 15 years). If I do its mostly a very easy shit test, or just plain humor (often from guys actually). I think guys who are insecure and try to hide their insecurity by bragging about their body will experience more shit tests and shaming. Indirect distaste for "too muscular" bodies I do experience occasionally though. Usually only when the topic is about bodybuilding or anything else related to very muscular bodies. However I rarely start conversations about bodybuilding and lifting nowadays.

I usually get nicknames related to my physique. I usually hold frame here because I never see it as disrespect but a playful thing people do towards me, something I appreciate.

Algermas · 2014-11-09T17:35:37+00:00

This is why we need #SwoleAcceptance.

topspeedj · 2014-11-09T19:15:59+00:00

Women only say things like that because in their mind, they're thinking of the Mr. Olympia-type physiques with 260lb frames and ultra-popping veins. When they actually see a lean, muscular, 190lb dude's body, they absolutely love it and can't keep their hands off.

Glenbert · 2014-11-09T20:00:51+00:00

Forget about muscle shaming, it's awesome shaming that oppreses me!

The possibility of being shamed for having an objectively positive trait should even register into our consciousness, men.

MartialWay · 2014-11-09T23:18:21+00:00

Swole Shaming is real. There is even a subreddit dedicated to fighting Swole Shaming and Swolestation.

junoguten · 2014-11-10T03:42:49+00:00

I mostly get it from fat or older women who deep down don't really think I want a piece of them.

Her: "Why are you so big? Are you making up for insecurities?"
You: "To keep people like you from actually trying"

anti_raysis · 2014-11-09T03:31:24+00:00

Depends on the country. I'm in Canada and get asked all the time by my family if I'm on roids and constantly get told to "tone it down to stay safe". I just ignore all criticism because it's made picking up girls an order of magnitude easier and has increased my happiness tenfold

2014-11-09T12:47:27+00:00

People always have to find a reason for someone else to be below them. It's easy for unfit people to claim that a fit person has insecurity issues, because eating healthy and exercising takes too much effort.

I was swole-shamed at work this past week talking to a fellow lifter about how I had a refeed day and what I ate, telling him I had lost more weight though. I heard a snicker and a cry from a lady across the room as she complained that guys have it so easy when it comes to weight/fitness. I ignored that shit because I put in too much hard work to concern myself with people/attitudes like that, I look good as fuck and she's average, only getting worse. She was also downing chocolate brownies for lunch while I ate broccolli, snow beans and salmon, noice.

2014-11-09T14:29:56+00:00

I am not super jacked, so no experience with being shamed.

But I hear women, mostly family members say shit like "you don't want to get too big"... either because thats scary/gross or whatever bullshit they have to say. You can simply shrug it off and just not give a shit, if it was a stranger being rude I would give them the death stare and laugh in their face.

Philhelm · 2014-11-09T15:25:10+00:00

On the flip-side, any time I try to compliment another man's juicy abs he gives me a weird look. I guess you just can't win. (j/k)

In any case, obviously women like a muscular man (more than they tend to let on), but I do believe them when they say that a man can have too much muscle since at some point it can begin to look freakish. Not every bodybuilder looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime. I would imagine that most women would prefer a ripped Hugh Jackman to a Brock Lesnar.

foldpak111 · 2014-11-09T15:50:52+00:00

Any self improvement and people will talk shit. I love it when people call me an asshole or I'm trying to look cool or I'm a poser. My response: come at me bro.

2014-11-09T17:19:46+00:00

What about the big but weak/biceps and bench only guys who "strong shame" at the gym?

2014-11-09T21:18:41+00:00

Girls don't like muscles just like they don't like bad boys, jerks, jocks or strong stoic types.....

YaBoiTibzz · 2014-11-09T22:09:14+00:00

I told some people I was thinking about lifting and one girl said "ew no, guys like that are just insecure!" I asked her if putting on makeup means a girl is insecure and got just an awkward silence in response.

2014-11-09T22:31:02+00:00

Not me but a buddy of mine that I lift with. He's not very RP but he has his moments....and here is one of them:

He started getting swoleshamed at a party by some feminist (his description). He tends to talk a lot which makes him come off as beta and the topics often come around to fitness, weight lifting, and martial arts. Well I guess girl was put off by it so she starts shit testing him. Asks if he's compensating for something, that kind of thing. He initially loses frame and fires back a couple shots which led her to finally going, "What, do you think you're better than me?'

Without missing a beat he looks her in the eye and goes, "Yes I am. Work on it!"

He said it shut her up completely and he got no grief from her the rest of the evening. If I had to guess, he instilled some desire in her but either didn't notice or didn't care. Last I heard she'd taken up martial arts and firearms training to improve her confidence...but that's just a rumor.

pinche_trp · 2014-11-10T03:05:47+00:00

Her: "Why are you so big? Are you making up for your insecurities?"

You: "Are you wearing makeup? Are you making up for your insecurities? WTF is wrong with you?"

mega_beta · 2014-11-10T09:19:36+00:00

A chick I used to fuck around with deleted me from Facebook when she found out I had become muscular. What the fuck... that's funny. I guess she couldn't handle talking to me anymore since she was married to some unmuscular guy.

psyflux · 2014-11-10T11:53:19+00:00

"Actually it's a medical condition...the symptoms include hypertrophy, symmetry, higher tissue density, and increased muscle contraction rates. There are some treatment protocols but I'd end up taking 25 years off my life."

2014-11-10T17:11:04+00:00

First thing you do: Stop caring

2014-11-11T11:32:05+00:00

Yo man. Muscle shaming is straight up objectification. Treating me like I'm just my muscles? Like I'm trying to cover up for something.

STOP OPPRESSING ME AND MY MUSCLES!

Transmigratory · 2014-11-09T06:47:29+00:00

Not sure about other perspectives, but I can give you the point of view of very smart, successful people:

There tends to be an inverse correlation between muscularity and intelligence, and also between muscularity and professional status. The higher the IQ and the higher you get in professional circles, the fewer jacked guys you will see. Really smart people tend not to have the genes for building a lot of muscle (I'm a med student, genes play a major role) or the desire, and people who achieve high professional success tend not to have the time to devote to lifting that much and eating right. Also, people who are highly successful professionally also tend to have higher IQs. Smart people notice these things and therefore associate big muscles with lower intelligence and professional status (relative to themselves).

I'm NOT saying ALL guys with muscles are stupid or average, but I admit that I have found the above to be strikingly true. It's similar for women. Better looking women tend to be less intelligent/skilled. They tend to prioritize developing their looks over brains. Muscly men get what they want via their muscles (might is a powerful evolutionary advantage), so they focus a lot on muscles and looks. Highly intelligent men get what they want via their intelligence (cleverness is also a powerful evolutionary advantage), so they focus more on intelligence and professional success.

These are two fundamentally different mindsets that I don't think will ever get along or see eye-to-eye with one another because they have opposite priorities and have antagonized each other their entire lives. You CAN prove that you're not the stereotypical guy with muscles to really smart people, but that will be their default opinion of you until you prove otherwise. Before you judge them for it, reverse the roles. What do most jacked guys think of the skinny nerd with glasses? My observation is that most think he's a bitch. So it goes both ways.

One last point. Today's economic system rewards intelligence much more than physical strength. Since really smart people tend to succeed more professionally, they are more likely to be the boss, lawyer, doctor, judge, CEO, etc. If you're jacked, do yourself a favor and be nice to the smart guys, because as you get older, you're increasingly more likely to need his help than he is to need yours. Better to be on his good side.

CloakedOrchid · 2014-11-09T03:40:02+00:00

My friends will sometimes look at me and jokingly puff out their chests, stick their arms out to the side, and "swagger" while they walk.

What people don't realize is that that's just how you naturally look when you have lats and you move your shoulders when you walk. Shrug. I'd rather have jokes cracked because I'm big rather than small.

JakofClubs · 2014-11-11T18:29:45+00:00

I just mention that I have degrees in history, humanities and philosophy (as well as CS) and say that I wanted to start working on my body after devoting so much time to working on my mind.

Iknoghostmagic · 2014-11-09T22:50:55+00:00

I do trade work so i don't really have to go the gym work does enough for me. even as a man though when i see guys who are ridiculously big it is kind of funny not that they shouldn't do what makes them happy but it looks unnatural thats my opinion and i'm not against going to the gym and getting toned up but when you have no neck it looks hilarious.

Title	Is "muscle shaming" common?
Author	Icecoffee965
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Date	November 9, 2014 3:03 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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