Do you think Briffault's law holds true for females?

Barely-moral · 2019-01-06T20:00:37+00:00

In my opinion and experience the only value that a man can have is in what they can do for others. At the moment a man can no longer provide or be useful to others, that man is worthless.

So yes. Women tend to follow Briffault's law.

There will always be exceptions. But since those exceptions are rare it is safe to plan around the general rule.

sublimemongrel · 2019-01-06T20:42:32+00:00

Briffault's law is largely discredited in the field of animal behavior. When males assume greater risk or detriment to fitness in the process of reproduction, males dictate the terms of mating (seahorses, fish species in which the male parent assumes the majority of the care for young, penguin species in which the same is true). Females usually assume more risk, in species in which birth is risky or difficult or in which the majority of brood care falls to the females, but this is far from a rule. The 'rule' is that adopting greater risk means that greater discretion will be evolutionarily rewarded.

Humans are unique in that we are intelligent, eusocial creatures that have developed the capacity for culture: for the creation and sharing of repositories of information and enforcement apparatuses that allow us to alter collective behavior and also permit us a measure of self-determination. Humans don't respond to pheromones the way that dogs do; humans have decided that perfumes and indicators of cleanliness are, usually, more appealing, and make decisions based on preferences determined by years of social and familial conditioning rather than hormonal impulses alone.

It's an exercise in uselessness to extend studies of animal behavior, unmodified by sociocultural and eusociality-adaptive considerations, to human people. Human people, most posters here would likely agree, are not lizards or cormorants or lacewing moths. Our behavior and adaptational strategies are mutable in a way that a tiger's aren't.

poppy_blu · 2019-01-06T22:56:33+00:00

Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

Which essentially means that women won’t associate with a man simply because he has a pulse and a dick. Dose bitches.

Maybe you can provide some examples of men “associating” with women where no benefit takes place for the man.

sublimemongrel · 2019-01-06T21:33:05+00:00

Compiling a list of one-sided and biased anecdotes from people with bad breakups or experiences with the opposite sex seems like a poor way to generalize half the population accurately.

rhyth7 · 2019-01-06T20:57:38+00:00

I feel like men think their relationships end out of nowhere because when women voice their relationship concerns men tune it out as nagging. So for her, after trying to tell him that something is wrong and maybe him saying that he'll make the necessary changes or will 'work on it' but no actual action or effort seems to be taking place, then the love dies and a few months later she gives up and calls it quits. The man, because he was not really paying attention and her concerns weren't important to him, is like 'I dunno what happened, everything was great and then she dumped me.'

Willow-girl · 2019-01-06T23:07:44+00:00

People often treat each other badly at the end of a relationship. It isn't limited to women mistreating men! Something that is rarely discussed is the way that men often lose interest in their children once they're no longer sleeping with the children's mother. It's disconcerting for a child to go from being Dad's best buddy or little princess to ... nothing ... because dad is spending his weekends nailing some new pussy (and, perhaps, sucking up to her kids to try to impress their mom).

rainisthelife · 2019-01-07T08:38:41+00:00

“While guys will call their guy friends out for their BS”

Lol! What planet does that happen? Certainly not earth.

Loyalty is not a female trait

The only thing that kept women loyal were social stigma and a law that made divorce impossible without a good reason

Lol it’s honestly amazing that a man can say this nonsense after centuries and centuries of high rates of male infidelity with society giving them a pass for it. Women are really just now catching up with men with regards to lack of loyalty and here we see men bitching about it. Dude got with someone out of his league and got dumped when he no longer provided value, and is shocked. I’m willing to bet that this is the same kind of guy that would leave or cheat if she got fat and stopped having sex with him. Lol smh

WestsideMoonWalker · 2019-01-06T20:12:13+00:00

This reads like "some women are complete dicks". Ignores the fact that a lot of people out there aren't complete ruthless dicks.

Whiteliesmatter1 · 2019-01-06T21:39:44+00:00

Depends on which ones. I have seen it go both ways, about 50:50. If you are a shitty person yourself your odds are probably worse.

DREADC0RSAIR · 2019-01-07T01:03:20+00:00

Absolutely to an extent. As others have said before with most relationship women you can earn 'alpha points' (or some other term) that you can certainly stockpile in case you have moments of weakness. if you've been a badass for 2 years but lose your job and break down in tears your gf wont leave you (though you WILL take a hit) but if that trend continues you bet your ass is gone.

I know plenty of men who had job losses right before the sex drying up or the divorce papers being filed. Doesnt matter if you bought them a mercedes when time was good. Though I'd say this doesnt apply to just women and sexual relationships but people and all relationships. Hell look at sports and business. People are loyal so long as you provide value

RoyalAugur92 · 2019-01-07T01:46:15+00:00

There are so many r/thathappened moments in those posts, I don't know where to begin.

EDIT: This one probably takes the cake though:

I know of a woman who when her BFF said she was tired of her man, she got her the lawyer and everything, and once it was final, she moved in with him. Said "If she was willing to throw away a good man, why wouldn't I want to pick that up".

Glawen_Clattuc · 2019-01-06T20:11:35+00:00

In a word, 'No'.

Given that human societies and human psychology are not only vastly complex but dynamic and continually changing, I simply do not see how it would be possible to establish a measure by which male utility to female partners could be evaluated.

I mean, I've no doubt someone could (probably already has) have a go at producing some kind of measure, but it would have more holes in it than a Swiss cheese because you could never possibly account for all the variables, let alone then account for myriad ways in which those variables would interact with each other.

Sure, you can find any number of anecdotes that would appear to prove the rule, but it would only ever be a partial summary of all the factors involved and therefore not an accurate measure.

I mean, I don't deny that it's an intriguing idea, but that's all it is really.

To call it a Law is not really apt at all.

OfSpock · 2019-01-07T01:53:26+00:00

Generally, men put less into relationships and get more out of them. So, they dwell a lot closer to the line where dating/being married to them is not worth while.

jenovajunkie · 2019-01-06T23:07:21+00:00

It's hard, because guys don't play tit for tat with women, we've been told to be superheroes.

But believe me, women play tit for tat but always play "don't cooperate".

They may initially to get the reward of marriage and kids, and then it's pretty much all about them and the kids after. At least for a lot of the younger feminists.

It's like that society has maximized the misconception that men are sacrificial, since we were used in war (Selected Service or whatever).

Electra_Cute · 2019-01-06T20:11:23+00:00

No, because I think humans are distinctly different than other mammals and trying to apply animal concepts to explain human behavior via analogies like this yield problematic and inaccurate. It strikes me as inaccurate to look at people making deterministic precise calculations about the utility they gain from each other in the way Briffault’s law describes.

NalkaNalka · 2019-01-06T21:19:53+00:00

In my experience it has been the contrary.

Other than that one BPD chick, after our relationships ended they all treated me real nice.

Of course during the actual breakup emotions are running high and nobody is their best sunny self.

sadomasochrist · 2019-01-06T20:15:35+00:00

This isn't Briffault's Law, this is the "lightswitch effect", my n(awalt) concept and Rollo's Warbride Dynamic. This has nothing to do with Briffault's law. Briffault's law addresses male conceptions of the nuclear family and the economics of selection vs competition and the implications on negotiating family and relationship purposes.

Namely that men can't influence selection or family structure without providing her a benefit, either provisionary or evolutionarily in terms of genes.

2019-01-06T21:10:12+00:00

I’m unfamiliar with Briffault’s Law, but if what you described is Briffault’s Law, I’d say that this applies to nearly all animals regardless of sex.

As far as the part about females deciding where and how families are built mostly hold true in societies or species that have rules in effect, whether these rules are a result of biological programming, or constructed and enforced by other members of the species.

As much as people are against “rape,” it does serve as a valid means for reproduction in nature. From a conservation perspective, if there were two of the last remaining species on earth, one male and one female, their survival as a species would depend on whether the female deemed that male “worthy” enough to procreate with or not.

Given this, that would also put the decision of procreation into the hands of males as well.

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MindTheFuture · 2019-01-07T00:41:48+00:00

It’s the same as hanging out with losers. Would you spend time with that beta-Bob, as kind and goodhearted he is, he is kind of uselfess and might even hinder you moving towards your goals. Many succesful men want to work & asssociate their careers with high-achievers, unless seeing potential to use. Similarly, why would woman stick with a colleague from a past job that she has already moved on, just reap the benefits and find the next opening.

OfSpock · 2019-01-07T09:56:14+00:00

In non-married people, men initiate the breakup 50% of the time. This would appear to negate your claim. Even in married couples, men initiate 30% of the time.

Purple_Ramen · 2019-01-07T12:42:39+00:00

Has this been proven by anyone? Further studies? Psychologists? Anything?

Xemnas81 · 2019-01-07T14:04:37+00:00

No. Jesus Christ, why does TRP have such a horrible view of men?

Humans have these things called empathy and attachment that cause us to be kind to each other and value each other more than for just our utility.

Get out of this sociopathic mindset.

2019-01-07T19:20:31+00:00

Yes it is true and can also be applied to association between people. Every relationship and association is conditional...whether it's male and female relations, family and friends, business partnerships...even your relationship with your pet is conditional. Individuals associate with something that benefits or can potentially benefit them.

splendorsolace · 2019-01-10T23:11:24+00:00

"I think once a woman stops loving you, something inside of them just change. It's like they don't have respect for you as a human being, they don't simply wish you well and remember the past and all the things you did for her. They're just out for blood."

It's called narcissism.

"out for blood" = narcissistic rage

"they don't remember the past and all the things you did for her" = narcissistic discard

The last point is why you can't just (blindly) #believewomen.

Narcissists don't acknowledge the facts of reality, and will embrace any lie they need to protect their ego.

peterlongc · 2019-01-12T16:26:04+00:00

Yes. Let it encourage men to be much better than they are.

MGTOWtoday · 2019-01-06T21:15:35+00:00

All women are like that.

exit_sandman · 2019-01-06T23:23:07+00:00

Anyways, this "You deserve better! You're a queen!" hive mind groups of girls have means when the girl decides to get divorced, it's planned and calculated and by that point, she hates you.

Sadly, you seem to be onto something.

For starters, anyone who claims that women in general constantly enabling one coddling one another and "supporting" their doubting sisters by telling them they deserve so much better is a filthy liar. Just compare male-dominated to female-dominated subreddits and how they talk about bad exes - that women always make such a bold assessment without even knowing the people involved is always baffling (I think that gullible supportiveness is somehow ingrained into their DNA - that would also explain the feminist insistence that you have to "believe women").

Regarding the other thing... I think that this vindictiveness after a self-initiated breakup is a very specific way of coping with the fact that by dating that guy, she has essentially wasted her precious time. That and the fact that she must turn him into the most vile of villains so she can preserve her self-image of a virtuous and great person.

Title	Do you think Briffault's law holds true for females?
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Date	January 6, 2019 7:49 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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