Q4ALL - Is There a Correlation Between Intelligence and Chosen Theory?

fiat_lux_ · 2017-12-18T19:38:22+00:00

I've been in the top 1% academically throughout my life and close to top 1% now financially. Same with random iq tests. I'm mostly red.

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information? (Try to think back to the last time you formed "new" thoughts about attraction).

There's no willingness involved here. I have no control over what I believe. If I find new information that sounds reasonable, I compulsively start to believe it.

It's amazing to me that some people actually control that. That they can choose what to believe based on what makes them feel good.

Do you your current ideas as subject to change?

I have no control over that, so ofc they are. These questions dont make sense to people like me.

SlimLovin · 2017-12-18T20:51:12+00:00

Everyone on the internet is a top percentile genius, you'll find.

EsauTheRed · 2017-12-18T20:21:05+00:00

Peoples ideas about intelligence are often flawed, it is often just a stand-in for conformity to a particular value system

Also IQ is trainable to a large extent, I would think that many people don't reach their full potential wrt IQ because they simply don't need to to get by

There comes a point IMO where you aren't taking in information so much, where you've heard enough, and you act in a way that is more true to yourself and your beliefs. You adopt a solid frame that you believe in. If you are only ever open minded, you will always be in doubt and anxiety, which is a juvenile stage of being.

truedemocracy3 · 2017-12-18T20:19:52+00:00

Background: Consider myself very intelligent, and tbh the average redditor is probably decent to well above average in terms of intellect. You have to be pretty inquisitive (usually) to come here. Standardized tests for college and grad school would place me somewhere around the top 10% in this area. Smart, but not a genius.

Also identify as Red Pill, and am always open to change and challenge my ideas (I disagree from time to time with things on TRP sub, and look to come here to challenge ideas occasionally too.). Though I dont waste too much mental energy on gender dynamics, I do love reading multiple sources of news in terms of current events/politics/etc. (Mainly the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, The Atlantic).

TRP is not a default setting. It involves challenging and changing your beliefs. The most common comparison would be going from religious to atheist. So if you looked at Red Pillers compared to non-Red Pillers TRPers would be FAR more likely to challenge ideas, change ideas, etc. When I say non-Red Pillers I dont mean Blue Pill but people unaware of unassuming in terms of gender dynamics. Will admit there is definite group think that goes on though.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-12-18T19:30:46+00:00

http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2010/06/libertarians-are-smartest.html

InformalCriticism · 2017-12-18T20:07:23+00:00

I'm dumb as hell.

Not really, but I'm not extraordinarily intelligent by any means. I think the last time I took an IQ test I scored in the 120-125 range, so above average but not "gifted" or "genius." My intelligence is very lopsided -- I have far above average verbal and social intelligence. I'm a good writer and a critical reader, I'm bilingual, and I'm very adept at reading people, picking up on writing/speaking styles, etc. But when it comes to what a lot of people consider "real" intelligence (math, science, pattern recognition, spacial awareness etc.) I am not so good, and I can be a little slow on the uptake when learning a new skill.

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information? (Try to think back to the last time you formed "new" thoughts about attraction).

Yes, almost to a fault. I'm pretty easily swayed by strong arguments and charismatic speakers. I am literally terrified I'm going to accidentally join a cult someday.

Do you view your current ideas as subject to change?

Yes, I've changed my mind about many important things over the course of my life. No reason it can't happen again.

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

You mean, like, socially? Not really. I like hanging out with creative, fun, interesting people. I don't really care if their opinions or ideologies align with mine.

Why do you come to PPD?

It satiates my need to argue and I like the people here.

Edit: I'm BP with reddish leanings in a few areas

KerPop42 · 2017-12-18T19:33:22+00:00

This might be better for an anonymous survey. People value intelligence, so posters are going to feel pressure to inflate their intelligence.

That being said, I'm blue, but I'm willing to change my views. Heck, I have. I'm more purple than when I came here, because I'm more informed. I came here because, after graduating college, I want to be intellectually responsible. If my ideology is right, then it will stand up to criticism. If not, I needed to hear another ideology anyways. No public comment on intelligence, though.

SkookumTree · 2017-12-18T19:35:04+00:00

Am blue, fairly bright. Somewhat willing to accept new ideas. Fairly unwilling to entertain hard-Red beliefs of patriarchy or male dominance as being good for women.
Current ideas are only somewhat subject to change.
Of course, I love talking to other flaming liberals like myself, especially when they're educated and erudite.
I come to PPD because there are often rather interesting if crazy opinions aired here. Some of them are thought-provoking.

GridReXX · 2017-12-18T22:38:47+00:00

where you think you are intellectually

I'm a critical thinker. That's all I have for ya.

describing your pill

I don't do drugs.

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information?

I'm always willing to understand all perspectives.

Do you view your current ideas as subject to change?

They rarely are because I've usually considered most perspectives and introspected deeply. The times they are subject to change is because someone actually illumined a fresh perspective to me.

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

I like to debate, so I'm willing to engage with anyone as long as they're cogent.

Why do you come to PPD?

To argue!

Also, you should probably describe Chosen Theory in some capacity in your OP.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2017-12-18T23:42:18+00:00

I am purple. I'm pretty smart. I can solve problems pretty quickly and think logically with ease. Also good at designing software architecture.

Yes I'm open to me ideas being replaced with new ideas so long as there's good reason to switch ideas. Would not have progressed at all in my career if I cling to my pre existing ideas too tight.
Yes sure it's subject to change.
I don't really look for those who are like minded. Just those who aren't assholes.
I come to PPD very rarely these days. I come because I am bored normally , and working on my other goal streams would be too much work.

Dubslav_von_Chekem · 2017-12-19T12:48:47+00:00

hello yes

I genius. Show bob and vagene.

I consider society's intelligence fetish to be wankery. Intelligence is overrated. But society needs heroes and saints in the narrative it constructs, and today's age of scientism, that means the much lauded genius takes center stage. The hero of yesteryear was a man of piety and chivalry, which enabled him to be superhuman. Today, it is intellect which supposedly enables the superhuman, and this is just as much a lie, and arguably more pernicious, because at least anyone is capable of piety and chivalry. Genius is overrated. The man in the ring deserves honor, the risktaker, the bold man.

I change my ideas all the time. I'm wrong all the time. So what? I view society as a collection of retards tinkering with forces beyond its comprehension, and, as King Retard, I only know enough to say we should let things be. Spontaneous order is far cleverer than stupid men.

I come to PPD because I enjoy debate and this place is better than the wretched hive that is Reddit. It gets my destructive BigThink impulses out. Otherwise I might join some foolish campaign for yet another new kind of social engineering.

Willow-girl · 2017-12-19T14:20:55+00:00

In school my I.Q. was tested at148, but I'm routinely outsmarted by livestock. It vexes me.

I'm Purple because RP and BP have banned me in equal numbers. Goes with being an iconoclast, I guess.

InformalCriticism · 2017-12-18T21:56:01+00:00

How anyone can be in favor of one true pill baffles me to death.

caesarfecit · 2017-12-18T21:09:59+00:00

I'm intelligent enough to know that ideology is more a function of personality than it is of brains.

Bloopers want to conform, Terpers want to rebel, and Purps think they're special. And each flavor is capable of oversimplifying, engaging in magical thinking/self-serving arguments, or tinfoil theories.

If you really want to to get a flavor for how smart people on this sub actually are, rather than what they claim, examine their writing using three criteria.

Do they speak from a desire for the truth, or to indulge their ego?
Are they willing to grasp subtlety and consider all available evidence, or do they twist facts to suit theories?
Do they attempt to balance the concerns and goals of both self and others, or do they just not bother?

The answers to those questions will tell you far more about a PPD'ers brainpower than an IQ test or a CV.

Bonus: if you think the mods are cucks who fuck up more than they fix, +10 IQ points.

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[deleted] · 2017-12-18T19:32:24+00:00

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information? (Try to think back to the last time you formed "new" thoughts about attraction).

Somewhat willing, it takes a while to persuade me with consistent badgering

Do you your current ideas as subject to change?

Somewhat, there are some things I think are set in stone

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

Not really, I am not sure if they exist anyway

Why do you come to PPD?

To talk about a unique subject matter

t. black pill

Il128 · 2017-12-18T20:11:23+00:00

I have a MS in microbiology. RP.

wekacuck · 2017-12-18T19:42:11+00:00

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information?

I'm ENTP so I go through information binge/purges. I'll gladly adopt all sides of every argument.

Do you your current ideas as subject to change?

Always. But only with actually novel arguments or perspectives.

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

Yes and no. I also look for people who have the opposite opinions and ideas or different perspectives.

Why do you come to PPD?

I feel like I've sucked most of the available knowledge from MRP/TRP and integrated it with other things to the point that I rarely see any novel ideas there and mostly see flawed arguments with poor support and tired arguments about them that bore me. Never bothered here for whatever reason. But I have seen a few people say that PPD has developed it's own thing over time so that's why I'm here.

wtknight · 2017-12-18T19:43:50+00:00

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information?

Sure. I usually find that most studies here have some validity if the context of them is properly understood. On the other hand, I'm usually not willing to accept new ideas or change my mind based upon other people's personal anecdotes.

Do you your current ideas as subject to change?

Most likely not much, considering that I'm happily married.

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

Not really. I try to form my own ideas.

Why do you come to PPD?

I enjoy the discussion topics and the occasional debate.

I am non-Red Pill with mostly BP beliefs but with some differences from most Blue Pillers that make me personally not identify as Blue.

InformalCriticism · 2017-12-18T19:45:08+00:00

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information? (Try to think back to the last time you formed "new" thoughts about attraction). Do you your current ideas as subject to change?

yes. probably not much mind-changing taking place in the discussions that take place here, though; i don't really see that as necessary, and i think there's actually very little change that goes on here (not a good or bad thing). in other areas, outside of this place, this is much more true.

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

sometimes.

Why do you come to PPD?

mostly, taking brief breaks from work. occasionally some of the more controversial threads are also fun to watch. i don't take it too seriously. non-pill or BP, depending on how you define BP.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-12-18T20:08:23+00:00

Willingness to accept ideas or change your mind given new information?

Very willing. I'm handed new information (new on something big like worldview, philosophy, not some practical nuts and bolts shit) very rarely. Most new ideas come to me from introspection honestly (like my thread about why is sexual assault even a problem)

Do you view your current ideas as subject to change?

Unlikely. Repeating tired arguments I've pre-defeated in the past doesn't work

Do you look for other like-minded people with whom to support and/or share your ideas?

Fuck no echo chambers are boring as hell I come to places like this to have people challenge my ideas and call me retarded

AstuteBlackMan · 2017-12-18T21:00:49+00:00

I'm not really changing on my beliefs or ideals because I've seen too many examples of my ideals being proven right.

I tend to look for people along the broad spectrum of my ideals because I know majority of people don't think like me.

HitchensTwoPointOh · 2017-12-18T21:40:28+00:00

Record setting amounts of academic scholarship, strategy game champion, lifetime of intellectual achievement. I have reason to believe I am fairly intelligent.

I am extremely red.

I consider myself to be a scientist and there is not a single idea I hold that is not subject to change if the appropriate evidence presented itself.

I come to PPD because I enjoy it. I don't know why, I just do.

Entropy-7 · 2017-12-19T09:28:13+00:00

I suspect not. There are plenty of idiots and geniuses in both pill communities.

Intelligence and wisdom are two different things (lol, as any D&D player will tell you).

In terms of politics I find that right wingers tend to deviate less from the mean than lefties.

762Rifleman · 2017-12-19T12:22:49+00:00

I really don't think I'm all that intelligent. I don't know my IQ and I don't think it matters all that much. I've had people tell me I'm smart and I've had people tell me I'm stupid. I like to geek out over weighty subjects in the sciences, but I never really understand them in depth. So I guess I ultimately come out as sorta smart. Being aware of Dunning-Kruger, I'd hesitate to call myself genius or even above averag. My main strengths are introspection and pattern recognition.

Anyway, I subscribe to neither. I think bluepill is just cocksucking to Feminism in attempts to get laid, and I think redpill is hateful, cultish pseudoscience about getting laid. Both of them use the golden mean fallacy. Given that Redpill is represented by dudes like Chateau Heartist, who is an outright avowwed racist and segregationist, and is still welcomed and uplifted by that community, even if I thought redpill were more correct, I would stay away for that moral reason. And having had bad experiences with feminists and Feminism, I think that bluepill is ultimately guys telling themselves they're happy with being considered second class next to women, because it somehow scores them morality points that ultimately will get them recognized as such quality males that it'll turn into being chosen for sex.

Fuck both of those.

To answer your bullet points, OP...

The last time I formed new thoughts about attraction, and found Franklin Veaux's posts on Quora a couple months ago. This guy is poor, unattractive, and weird, yet he has the kind of sex life that most people only achieve in boasts. How does he do it? By being a good conversationalist and also empathetic and direct. That flies in the face of both blue and red thinking.
Yes, they would change. It would take something like a girl way above me socially and physically deciding out of the blue that she wanted me like crazy for no real apparent reason and making a move. So say if Gianna Michaels or Trinity St Claire were to suddenly show up at my doorstep professing their love and lust, I would change my ideas. Until then, I'll stick to my idea that human mating is ultimately a sorting algorhythm of male utility for female fertility where people ultimately end up with matched partners on the scale.
I don't really discuss it much. Mostly because it always leads to arguments, the kind that put people off of serious discussions.
I came here because it looked like a fun place to drop in and wax semi intellectual.

[deleted] · 2017-12-19T13:48:18+00:00

Come here to learn something and get another perspective on the ideas that I hold. Helps sometimes

[deleted] · 2017-12-21T01:29:37+00:00

I mean, terps, in general, are very uninformed and believe silly things that anyone with an ounce of critical thinking skills wouldn't fall for.

I don't think it's because they're unintelligent, but they definitely give that impression.

If you don't know history, science, anatomy, psychology, physiology, statistics, economics, math, literature, people start to wonder what you actually do know.

Title	Q4ALL - Is There a Correlation Between Intelligence and Chosen Theory?
Author	InformalCriticism
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Date	December 18, 2017 7:29 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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