CMV: Despite what the Red Pill says, most women are not psychologically bound to 'bad boys' who apply 'dread game', but they may feel bound to a genuinely good man.

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-02-21T18:09:23+00:00

I think the "bad boy" myth is a bunch of things all mixed together. Nobody wants a man that is actually hurting them unless they are mentally ill.

It's that girls want excitement. It's that girls like energetic guys with charisma. Some energetic guys with charisma are also risk takers and cut corners. Maybe that leads to them getting in trouble. I don't think it is the actual "trouble" that attracts girls. It's the other attributes that guys who get in trouble have.

Maybe if you are a guy watching some girl get with a guy you think is "bad" then maybe it has to do with where you are standing. If your comfort zone for risk is small (like mine is!) maybe that colors your perceptions about it.

PIBagent · 2017-02-21T16:50:19+00:00

Judging by your username I'm guessing your not our target audience.

Results are the only thing that matters. When red pill men no longer get positive results they will change and manipulate the game once again.

trail22 · 2017-02-21T17:00:57+00:00

The jerk may not have more relationship, but they date more.

For a guy who is nice who doesn't date much, becoming a shameless jerk and going RP will get them dates which is progress.

If you focus on relationship you are right, but if you focus on dating, I think you may be wrong.

[deleted] · 2017-02-21T17:33:30+00:00

First of all, what's your beef with Edinburgh??? Second, how do you and your particular culture define 'jerk' and 'jerkish behaviour'?

'the world is full of players and childmen who are afraid to commit' narrative

this is a female narrative, created for your purpose. It isnt true. The world is full of docile guys who are desperate for commitment. You can tell it is a female narrative because it has the 'manchild afraid to commit' cliche in it. Imagine if 'womangirl who cant commit and have a baby' were to be used in the same way?

Over and over again I have seen women who used to be very uncaring put in a lot of work in a relationship because their guy did so, and they felt guilty if they did not do the same.

So they got guilt-tripped into being caring for their partners? Sounds like they were playing the field and decided to cash in.

Red Pillers and the Manosphere in general do not realise that the rise of the alt right and of anti-feminist sentiment among men has transformed 'good men' into rare commodities. They are the elite few who have resisted the free-flow of misogynist bile, and they hold a lot of power within relationships.

For how long exactly? I havent ever heard of Red Pill in the UK before and most people I know are very liberal. When I left the UK 7 or so years ago, this recent wave of feminism was well and truly on the up and up. Also, at that time, I was practically a card-carrying feminist and couldnt get any kind of girlfriend for love nor money.

Finally, a lot of us arent looking for a long term relationship!

NookJ · 2017-02-21T17:08:59+00:00

What I see in real life is women complaining all the time about how men are 'jerks' and being totally unafraid of dumping said jerks, divorcing them, and calling them out for said behaviour. I see their friends encouraging them to do so. I see absolutely zero tolerance for 'jerk' behaviour from women, especially in our current culture.

Lol.

Because women are nowadays so used to men being 'jerks' and accustomed to the 'the world is full of players and childmen who are afraid to commit' narrative, my personal theory is that the only men who hold real 'psychological' power over women are those men who are actually good.

Watch what they say not what they do. If girls aren't attracted to jerks and bad boys why are they dating them all the time? Certainly if women are complaining a lot, it means they are dating these men a lot as well. Why do we keep seeing high profile athletes or musicians physically beating their girlfriends? You say that women will dump these guys but anyone who is paying attention knows how these women will go right back to them.

Meanwhile polite and non-confrontational men have a hard time in dating.

This may not speak for you, personally. But it is apparent in the scheme of things.

[deleted] · 2017-02-21T17:45:43+00:00

The medium is the message. Always take what people say with a grain of salt, but watch how they behave. Show me a woman that is disgusted by player behavior and I'll show you a woman that has fucked a few/many of them to think like that.

"Good men" are not rare commodities, they are the commodities that women are keeping for last, once they are done having fun with the bad boys and finally "mature" and are ready to find a man to pay for their dream house and kids.

mysongranhills · 2017-02-21T17:03:02+00:00

Not advocating one view over another, but in my life I've observed the bad boy attraction multiple times. Also seemed much much more common in women below 25 years old. I'm 30 and I've seen overly nice guys typically finish last until later when women have gained the life experience that bad boys don't change and can't be fixed. Then the nice guys seem more appealing. If you're saying you have never ever seen this, then I don't know what to tell you. What behavior do you consider bad boy, maybe you're thinking of real low lifes as opposed to devil may care attitude.

Think about all the women you know that have cheated on their SO, how often is the side guy more loving, caring and emotionally available and how often is he better looking physically and more confident/assertive?

InformalCriticism · 2017-02-21T17:33:39+00:00

I think your unspoken premise is that women feel different types of attraction based on the type of man.

TRP has done due diligence on the matter, already (AF/BB).

[deleted] · 2017-02-21T17:47:54+00:00

I agree with you mostly. But if I had to make a bet against my own life I'd say there are probably more good men on the alt-right side than the left side.

oneandforall · 2017-02-21T20:52:03+00:00

There's a middle ground. Men who are "good" and look out for the interests of their girlfriends/wives, but still stand up for themselves, aren't weak and/or effeminate, and don't let their wives boss them around.

RP likes to focus on extremes. I don't want either extreme. I don't want the bad boy who doesn't give a shit about me and I don't want the weak man who can't do anything for himself. I'm guessing that most women also like the middle option.

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theiamsamurai · 2017-02-21T18:11:02+00:00

Over and over again I have seen women who used to be very uncaring put in a lot of work in a relationship because their guy did so, and they felt guilty if they did not do the same. I myself used to live in England and now live in Scotland. If it were up to me, I would move back to England tomorrow because I can't stand Edinburgh. Yet I am stuck right here because my Scottish boyfriend is a literal saint and I feel disgusted at the thought of hurting him and leaving him. Had he been a Red Pill Dread Gamer, I would be laughing my way to the airport already and my life would be easier. I have seen this dynamic in couples over and over again.

I've been in that position, as the guy. I called the girls out on only being with me out of the sense of obligation/duty and guilt, not because they actually WANTED me and not because of ATTRACTION. The fact that you've mentioned guilt TWICE in that paragraph is very telling. Guess what their reaction was to me saying that. Calling me an asshole, and getting mad, and dumping me. It's PRE PROGRAMMED. Notice I acted like an insecure beta, not an alpha with abundance mentality. Women stay with guys they perceive to be good out of a sense of obligation and guilt, not out of DESIRE, and if you call them out on it you're instantly bad, because they think they're doing you a favor.

writingtoc · 2017-02-21T18:18:53+00:00

Today, it's girls don't like bad boys and want someone good. Tomorrow, it's girls want exciting and thrilling men.

You can't have both. No more than we can have a slutty suzie homemaker.

kick6 · 2017-02-21T18:35:01+00:00

I keep hearing this Red Pill nonsense regarding women and 'bad boys' and how using 'dread game' and making her think you will drop her immediately and rush to another woman if she misbehaves will make her love you and do anything to please you. It's pure garbage, I have never seen it happen in real life.

Oh really?

What I see in real life is women complaining all the time about how men are 'jerks' and being totally unafraid of dumping said jerks, divorcing them, and calling them out for said behaviour.

After they've fucked them.

Case closed, the bad boy gambit worked.

wub1234 · 2017-02-21T19:01:34+00:00

Why don't you like Edinburgh? It has the reputation of being very picturesque.

[deleted] · 2017-02-21T19:26:29+00:00

OP, it sounds like if he wasn't keeping you in line via doing so much that you feel guilty, that you'd be a shitty person.

nomdplume · 2017-02-21T20:46:19+00:00

The fact that you use the terms 'jerk' and 'good man' as distinguishers makes your argument next to useless. What makes a man 'good', in a woman's eyes, and what makes him a 'jerk'?

And just as an FYI, low value men (which I'm guessing would include 'jerks') can't sustain 'dread game', if they can even run it at all. 'Dread game' is only legitimate if the man is high value. A low value man who, for example, threatens to leave either won't be taken seriously, or will have his bluff called (the result of which will likely be him getting dropped on his ass).

Respect can only be commanded and inspired; it can't be demanded.

SetConsumes · 2017-02-21T23:24:05+00:00

Lol your use of dread game is hilariously off. Bad boys don't need much if any dread game, their natural state creates high dread.

Women want the bad boy with a kind heart, not the bad boy with a malicious heart. Simple.

Bad boys are in touch with their masculinity and are not afraid of testosterone which makes them immensely attractive to all women.

The problem women have is determining his heart, most bad boys are not kind hearted.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-02-22T04:08:07+00:00

I keep hearing this Red Pill nonsense regarding women and 'bad boys' and how using 'dread game' and making her think you will drop her immediately and rush to another woman if she misbehaves will make her love you and do anything to please you. It's pure garbage, I have never seen it happen in real life.

Bad boys = men with mystery who she can't just control

Dread game = actually having standards and boundaries

What I see in real life is women complaining all the time about how men are 'jerks' and being totally unafraid of dumping said jerks, divorcing them, and calling them out for said behaviour. I see their friends encouraging them to do so. I see absolutely zero tolerance for 'jerk' behaviour from women, especially in our current culture.

Dumping jerks = getting fucked and left by them, then framing it as if they dumped them instead.

Divorcing jerks = beta husband dares to step out of line, gets framed genetically as a "jerk"

Because women are nowadays so used to men being 'jerks' and accustomed to the 'the world is full of players and childmen who are afraid to commit' narrative, my personal theory is that the only men who hold real 'psychological' power over women are those men who are actually good.

Hey look, pure freeflowing misandry coming from a feminist. Men are all jerks!

Over and over again I have seen women who used to be very uncaring put in a lot of work in a relationship because their guy did so, and they felt guilty if they did not do the same. I myself used to live in England and now live in Scotland. If it were up to me, I would move back to England tomorrow because I can't stand Edinburgh. Yet I am stuck right here because my Scottish boyfriend is a literal saint and I feel disgusted at the thought of hurting him and leaving him. Had he been a Red Pill Dread Gamer, I would be laughing my way to the airport already and my life would be easier. I have seen this dynamic in couples over and over again.

Yes, guilt is a factor. Laziness and hypoagency are far bigger ones.

Red Pillers and the Manosphere in general do not realise that the rise of the alt right and of anti-feminist sentiment among men has transformed 'good men' into rare commodities. They are the elite few who have resisted the free-flow of misogynist bile, and they hold a lot of power within relationships.

Wow the sheer, staggering revisionist history. The alt right is tiny and only a few years old. Very few people are antifeminists, there should be SO much more. It's not like it's a secret that it's a hate movement.

lbspredh · 2017-02-22T07:29:36+00:00

Both sides are wrong, women like attractive men. Good or bad is just the picture frame

[deleted] · 2017-02-24T11:31:23+00:00

I've seen plenty of"bad boys" hurt women around me growing up. Not saying most women go for it, but plenty of women do or have done it.

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