Weekly Incel-Saturday Megathread (28 January 2017)

LumpySpacePotHead · 2017-01-31T11:01:06+00:00

The lonely, sexless, socially awkward, all get sympathy at some point, even incels to an extent, but people are rarely going to go above and beyond to feel bad for a group as negative as they are. They lose all credibility when they become tactless and disrespectful, that's usually the case for all people.

[deleted] · 2017-01-31T04:56:29+00:00

Quebec shooter was incel. Calling it now.

hentaipolice · 2017-01-31T02:38:02+00:00

Why are incels here? Which pill do they support and why do they still support it if it hasn't "worked" for them?

alreadyredschool · 2017-01-30T06:52:12+00:00

Following my mother's death my father has been reorganizing and updating photo albums. Yesterday he showed me pictures from his youth and early adulthood - his first girlfriend (they were together for 8 years), camping with friends, drinking at some party, uni field trips with friends, his girlfriend again and again, other parties, attending a friend's wedding, giving his girlfriend a tour of the barracks during military service, drinking with his buddies during military service, ...

Worst was when he came to some party pictures and apologetically added "you know how it is..."

No, I do not know how any of this is. And of the past 10 years I probably have around 5 pictures in total.

Nothing to discuss. Just wanted to post this somewhere and felt like it didn't merit a thread of its own on the incels sub. My father noticed my terseness but read it as disapproval of his desire to relive the past.

Skratt · 2017-01-29T22:21:18+00:00

Women can be incel (and beautiful too). I'm beautiful, but I always blow it when guys approach me. They either walk away because they think I'm not interested, or they're turned off by my awkwardness.

I cannot get laid xD

Discuss.

Carkudo · 2017-01-29T19:28:19+00:00

CMV: Incels exhibit traits of anti-social personality disorder

If you would be so kind as to click here and turn to page 175 you get a list of personality types associated with anti-social personality disorder, colloquially known as sociopathy.

Here are the ones that interest me:

THE COVETOUS ANTISOCIAL

The covetous antisocial is a variant resembling a “pure” prototypal pattern. Here, aggrandizement, the desire to possess and dominate, is seen in a distilled form. These individuals feel that life has not given them “their due”; they have been deprived of their rightful amount of love, support, or material reward; and others have received more than their share. Jealous of those who have received the bounty of a good life, they are driven by an envious desire for retribution to take what destiny has refused them. Whether through deceit or destruction, their goal is compensation for the emptiness of life, rationalized by the assertion that they alone can restore the imbalance fated to them. Seething with anger and resentment, their greatest pleasure lies in taking control of the property and possessions of others. Some are overtly criminal. Many possess an enormous drive for revenge, manipulating others like pawns in a power game.

Regardless of their success, however, covetous antisocials usually remain insecure about their power and status, never feeling that they’ve been compensated for life’s impoverishments. Ever jealous and envious, pushy and greedy, they may make ostentatious or wasteful displays of materialism and conspicuous consumption such as buying exotic cars, mansions, and elaborate jewelry as a means of exhibiting their power and achievements to others. Most feel a deep sense of emptiness, juxtaposed with vague images of how different life might have been had opportunity blessed them, as it has so many others. Some are simple thieves, while others become manipulative entrepreneurs who exploit people as objects to satisfy their desires. Although they have little compassion for or guilt about the effects of their behavior, they never feel that they have acquired quite enough, never achieve a sense of contentment, and feel unfulfilled regardless of their successes, remaining forever dissatisfied and insatiable.

Perhaps, however, this one is more fitting:

THE NOMADIC ANTISOCIAL

Although the most widely held impression is that antisocials are incorrigible criminals who undermine the values of the surrounding culture, some seek simply to run away from a society in which they feel unwanted, cast aside, or abandoned. Although most antisocials react antagonistically to social rejection, these individuals drift along at the margins of society, scavenging whatever slim resources they come across. The nomadic variant combines antisocial with schizoid and/or avoidant characteristics. Most see themselves as jinxed or doomed and desire only to exist at the edge of a world that would almost certainly reject them. Mired in self-pity, they drop out of society to become gypsy-like roamers, vagabonds, or wanderers. With little regard for their personal safety or comfort, they may drift from one setting to another as homeless persons involved in prostitution and substance abuse.

Adopted children who feel uneasy about their place in the world sometimes follow the path of the nomadic antisocial, wandering from place to place in an apparently symbolic search for their true home or natural parents. Their sense of “being no place” signifies alienation from self and others. For this reason, nomadics often appear vaguely disconnected from reality and lack any clear sense of self-identity. Compared to other variants, nomadic antisocials often seem relatively harmless because of their attitude of indifference and disengagement. Some are indeed vacant and fearful, but others are deeply angry and resentful. As a consequence of alcohol or substance abuse, they may act out impulsively, discharging their frustrations in brutal assaults or sexual attacks on those weaker than themselves.

Now I am not actually gonna armchair diagnose all incels with this disorder because, as you can tell even just from the quoted text above, the focus here is often on people who act out in damaging ways IRL as a result of their condition. And as I've said elsewhere, actual sociopaths get laid.

However, it's really difficult not to see certain parallels here. In the first type I have quoted, you see an individual who is angry because they feel they've not been given what they believe they're owed by life, and are eternally jealous of those who do have what they seek. This causes a great deal of anger, which is extremely evident from just reading any incel sub. Additionally, you see them lament over how their lives would be better if they had what they view others as having. An oft-repeated example in PPD is "yeah I'd be successful too if I had chad looks like you."

But when it comes to real life rather than words, incels are most often characterised by inaction and, given their lack of social success in general, probably a meek and shy personality, which swings then towards the description of the nomadic antisocial, who see themselves as cursed and never able to fit in so they simply give up on society and become disconnected from reality.

🤔

questioningwoman · 2017-01-29T05:47:02+00:00

I'd like to add that despite the psychology behind this stuff, there is another factor as to why women have 0 empathy for so called incels. They're simply not told to.

If tomorrow you had Salon, NY Times, and Cosmo telling women to fuck an Incel out of kindness like they promote empathy for pedophiles and transsexuals, you would notice a seismic shift in attitudes overnight amongst a large enough portion of the female population.

For all the hard wiring, women are surprisingly malleable. The key is to control the amplifiers that shout ideas and norms into their heads.

trail22 · 2017-01-28T23:38:07+00:00

Why is there no empathy for incels?

I dont assume just because someone is lay because they have hard time getting a job or that they are weak willed because they are an alcoholic.

Yet people happily assume most incels are

" bitter, low social skills, elitism, entitlement, easily angered and irritated, pessimistic, think they are smarter than everyone else and use "idiot" as an insult and don't like dumb people and think everyone that likes popular stuff is dumb, bad at reading between the lines, reading people, situations and body language, monotone voice, very structured jokes and don't understand advanced humor like sarcasm, lazy, etc"

Carkudo · 2017-01-28T20:19:32+00:00

Guys, you know what's a really disgusting thing incels do when they try to chat you up? If they are in your friendzone and have your number, some of them message you every day, EVERY DAY, saying stuff like 'Hi, how are you today'? It gets really creepy really soon because if you do not answer and check the chat box at the end of the day, you will see that they have continued to send messages, like this:

Hi, how are you today? Hello Hey Hi

And you can see that they have kept checking your chat page every hour. They are so creepy, socially inept and disgusting.

youleftme · 2017-01-28T19:54:01+00:00

I wanted to ask-- what's everyone's idea on what an actual incel is?

Personally, I think that most incels are voluntary celibates (volcel), and not actual incels. Volcels just lack the drive of improvement. An actual incel should be absolutely incapable of finding even the lowest standard of a partner, whether that be with crippling social anxiety, a physical or mental disability, fear of ridicule, or extreme introversion. It's my own theory that most self-proclaimed "incels" just can't improve themselves, and only call themselves incels because they believe there's no way out when it's right in front of them.

To any 'incel' reading this, question yourself. Are you really an incel? Or do you just enjoy sitting in your own shit and not showing an ounce of the will to improve?

DrunkGirl69 · 2017-01-28T19:11:08+00:00

TIL you can take the "incel test" on OkCupid: https://www.okcupid.com/tests/the-incel-test

I scored 21% incel.

Carkudo · 2017-01-28T18:07:17+00:00

What personality traits are most common in incels?

Have you ever seen any incels that were adrenaline junkies?

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CMV: Incels exhibit traits of anti-social personality disorder