Do Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?

jonathan88876 · 2016-07-10T17:37:50+00:00

It's much like Reaganomics for men, the betas will accrue marginal benefits while the Chads will experience manyfold gains. The median sex wage will slightly increase, while the Gross Sexual Product will increase significantly and Gini coefficient of sexual partners will skyrocket. Still, the benefits clearly outweigh the costs IMO

[deleted] · 2016-07-10T18:20:27+00:00

Only in the sense that they prob have a little extra sex in their life, but all the sex they get will be with women who will be hitting up chad whenever hes free, the only reason you got a chance right now is no chad took interest. Sexual positivity breeds resentment in beta while giving them a tiny bit of sex that they wouldn't have normally had, it also gives chads more competition among each other and reinforces the idea that quality males always have side chicks. Incels are the same, well there will prob be a slightly larger % of incels but they arent getting laid now and they still wont be getting laid

Honestly I think too much sex positivity creates a lot of behavior that women don't like in males, women who are for it just don't care or they lie to themselves into thinking those two things aren't related. The thing is that the more sex positive men become the more competitive they become, and a competitive drive can overcome a lot of things that women expect out of men. If you favor sex positivity than you are basically saying that you support all men becoming more red pill, because that's what will naturally happen

I think monogomy as the norm is best for both sexes

RobotNormie · 2016-07-10T17:45:21+00:00

No. It's great for women but it leaves incel men like me.

coratoad · 2016-07-10T18:53:51+00:00

Looking at the paper, sexual behavior for both sexes increased quite a bit. The reason the author states that it was primarily a female revolution, is because men have always consistently reported more sexual behavior than women. Over the period of time studied in this paper, female sexual behavior increased but only to close the gap between men and women.

Here are a few charts summarizing the findings.

Casual Sex	1963	1971	1978
Men	-	5%	9%
Women	-	1%	6%

Sex in Dating	1963	1971	1978
Men	1%	28%	43%
Women	-	13%	35%

Sex in Engaged Couples	1963	1971	1978
Men	11%	67%	72%
Women	3%	55%	66%

Virgins/Non-Virgins	1963	1971	1978
Men	40/60%	37/63%	34/66%
Women	75/25%	56/44%	38/62%

We could also compare this to more recent findings, where the number of virgins among college aged students is much lower for both sexes (14% for men and 12% for women). Just looking at the men we see that the number of virgins has dropped from 40% in 1968 to 14% in 2008. Would you say this is a significant gain for men?

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-07-10T17:42:56+00:00

It really beats confusing my anxiety around girls with Hellfire, and hating myself for every unwanted impure thought.

And I helped my roommate come out of the closet! And my friend! And my girlfriend! And then another friend! Hell, just by flipping off the slut shamers I met some really awesome people. Damn, sex positivity was probably the best thing that ever happened to me.

The hardest part, for me, was dealing with the "What about sex positivity for yourself, hypocrite?" part of it all. It doesn't look like sex positivity when you're trying to talk someone out of seducing you, because...

Sex positivity was why I never won that argument. Not when I wanted to be seduced.

There wasn't a reason I could give, that wasn't based on old ways of thinking.

I wish the entire world was sex positive.

With that said, it's not being sex negative to worry about sexual assault, or fair trials. It's not sex negative to advocate for those who lack any intimacy, despite their good faith effort. It's not sex negative to worry about those who can't escape being reduced to a sexual function, or acknowledge how very hurt and alone they may feel. It's not sex negative to worry about disease. It's not sex negative to worry about sex workers - especially those who aren't doing it by choice.

It's not sex negative to have preferences.

It's not sex negative to dislike porn. Or a sexual position.

It's not sex negative to say "No."

The sooner we get over the fact that thinking happy thoughts isn't enough to sort out all the problems with sex, the sooner we can look at how to make sex something worth being positive about, both for ourselves, and our partners.

DaphneDK · 2016-07-10T17:43:03+00:00

So anyways: do you guys think Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?

If they are cucks - which we all know a lot of them are - they can enjoy seeing their women getting hammered by Chad.

But really, there are only so many hours a day, and even the small portion of men have to sleep and eat, so I'd imagine a much enlarged market of willing girls would eventually lead to a trickle down effect, and also the not so hot top-tier men getting some action.

[deleted] · 2016-07-10T18:23:32+00:00

Sex positivity in feminist circles only applies to women in practice, if you're a "beta", everything you do is gross, creepy, if you're not harassing people by existing.

Maybe you'll get a feminist one night stand/STR once in if you're have actually have actual attractiveness. Well, until she decide to knife you in the back for "strong empowered you go gurl" points.

Spoiler: if academia full of "sex positive" feminists have a decreasing rate of sex, there is a reason why.

czerdec · 2016-07-10T17:20:49+00:00

Well, they imagine that by kissing a feminist's ass metaphorically, they will eventually get to do so literally.

So while they live in that orbiter's delusion of "ooooh yeah, any day now" they are probably happier than if they saw the hopeless truth of their predicament.

Therefore you can reply that the happiness that comes from their delusion is a benefit.

exit_sandman · 2016-07-10T19:05:39+00:00

CMW made a pretty good post about the pitfalls of sex positivity for (beta) men, and why its propagation is done under false pretenses (i.e. the empty promise that it'll help the vast majority of men to get laid). Unfortunately I can't dig it up since he deleted his account.

[deleted] · 2016-07-10T23:57:25+00:00

Do I have anything to gain from capitalism? Personally no. I'm still not against the free marker because I respect individual freedoms.

William_F0ster · 2016-07-10T18:08:41+00:00

I’ve just had to Google sex positivity and it leaves me even more confused as to what you think it means. It says here that:

sex positivity is simply the idea that all sex, as long as it is healthy and explicitly consensual, is a positive thing.

and

Sex positivity is "an attitude towards human sexuality that regards all consensual sexual activities as fundamentally healthy and pleasurable, and encourages sexual pleasure and experimentation. The sex-positive movement is a social and philosophical movement that advocates these attitudes. The sex-positive movement advocates sex education and safer sex as part of its campaign.”

So I can’t work out what difference it would make to anyone let alone so-called ‘Betas’.

civilsaint · 2016-07-10T19:10:58+00:00

It might help a little, but most will go to the top. Girls gravitate to the guy who gets laid a lot when they are looking for casual sex.

It's probably the psychological effect of demand plus the underlying reason the guy gets laid in the first place.

jonascf · 2016-07-10T20:30:12+00:00

do you guys think Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?

Probably.

(Anecdotal) Proof: am "beta", has had good luck getting sex when hanging out with sexpositive women, not as much with more traditional women.

dopesk1 · 2016-07-11T15:06:59+00:00

The Sexual Revolution didn't change sexuality for most men. It merely allowed a small portion of men to obtain large amounts of sex.

Yep, it made the spectrum of experiences more extreme.

Chads got even more and the incel found his position more solidified.

SetConsumes · 2016-07-11T16:04:58+00:00

Sex positivity = Its okay to be a slut

Yes it benefits betas because more sluts means more women to have sex with.

I have a friend for example that will pretty much fuck any guy that tries under 300lbs. Her last two bfs were stupid and hideous, and she's an HB6-8 depending on her current fat level.

Anandya · 2016-07-11T00:52:13+00:00

Wait what? No...

Seriously? Sex Positivity just means no one gets judgy about someone's sex life as long as it is between two CONSENTING adults and doesn't break any laws.

Fun fact? Male virginity wasn't as strictly policed as female. A man who had sex was "a man". A woman who had sex without a stupid little band on her finger was considered a whore. You could be alienated from society as a whole for that.

Seriously? On what planet do you think going back to an era where the only people who would sleep with you were "prostitutes" and if you did sleep with someone you were expected to marry her outright?

I mean seriously?

Sex is fun. Women like sex. Men like sex. Sometimes they like to have sex with each other. There are different kinds of sex. Sometimes slow, fast, soft, rough... many others.

And if I ask you who you think is a "low tier man" you probably would assume it's not you. Because "reasons". You are reading too much into this. It's just "sex". Not rocket science.

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MagicGainbow · 2016-07-11T12:07:37+00:00

do you guys think Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?

In theory? A lot.

In practice? Fuck all.

It's like those betas saying abut how they'll get loads of adventurous sex if they wife up a slutty girl, look at deadbedroom to see that in practice once the ring goes on the sex stops(if they hadn't been duped into waiting).

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-07-11T12:27:42+00:00

So anyways: do you guys think Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?

It might have been the case back in the 70s and early 80s, although not so much nowadays.

Talkytalktalk · 2016-07-11T14:05:55+00:00

Quit whining tradcon

Reed_4983 · 2016-07-11T15:06:10+00:00

I doubt any feminist would ever use the term "lower tier men", also because they don't believe in the alpha-beta concept.

Transmigratory · 2016-07-12T00:45:48+00:00

Nope. Women still would flock to the "chads"; the sex positive movement just means they won't feel like sluts when they do so.

winterrider · 2016-07-15T01:39:07+00:00

Any feminists that argue that men should support sex-positivity are just beyond ignorant as to the way life works. And any man who goes along with this reasoning is just a complete and utter idiot.

Sex-positivity means that men are supposed to wife-up some chick who has four different kids by four different bad boys, has various STDs, a woman who spent her 20s and early 30s sleeping with various bad boys and now expects men to forget the past and accept them as they are.

[deleted] · 2016-07-10T17:51:29+00:00

well, there's also personal peace. all that negativity surrounding sex can't be good for them, especially in their current situation.

Title	Do Betas have anything to gain from sexual positivity?
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Date	July 10, 2016 5:15 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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