TRP men didn't used to be blue pill. They used to be failures who now blame women for their problems.

[deleted] · 2015-12-28T04:08:21+00:00

Is the whole premise here just "What if everyone on TRP lies about their history and their beliefs in a way that conveniently fits my preconceived worldviews that I formed, probably before even reading much TRP?" ?

Iwanttoliveinspace · 2015-12-28T03:34:18+00:00

Let us count the ways you are a biased piece of work:

Go over to MRP and see guys who have gotten fat and lazy... Guys, in other words, who are failures.

I hope you are fit and in shape, and conforming to beauty standards?

A truly blue pill man would be a functioning member of society and not a fat slacker.

Again with the fat thing. are fat people not members of society? Sounds like someone has an issue with hambeasts, not just men.

TRP helps these losers stop sucking by giving these men an excuse (women! feminism! society!) for being bad at life.

Bad at life according to your warped bias.

I could talk about how much I earn, or what car I drive, or what business it is I own. But, instead, I'll just fall back on a few assumptions, and then, a closing statement;

Assumption one: Your constant jabbing at a man you consider to be overweight means you are probably slim to average.

Assumption two: You are likely female and identify as feminist due to the phrasing of your statements.

Remember, it doesn't matter if your face is a 7, or if your body is an 8. If your personality and attitude is a 3. You're a 3.

Eulabeia · 2015-12-28T02:26:30+00:00

Feminism just gives women an excuse (patriarchy! male privilege! rape culture!) for being bad at life. CMV

Xemnas81 · 2015-12-28T03:36:19+00:00

Take an omega, shame him into beimg a better beta.

You're no better than the people you despise with this one.

Aerobus · 2015-12-28T04:45:59+00:00

I don't know how well this can change your view, but the simple fact of the matter is that you are wrong. I can use myself as an example. Prior to learning about TRP I considered myself a feminist. I was an average guy. I had many friends some of whom were male and some of whom were female. I was not socially awkward and I didn't dress in ugly fashion. I know this because girls talked to me and a few times I even got compliments on what I wore. I treated others with respect and came across as amicable.

I never was a failure with women. The fact of the matter is I never really cared. Its not that I didn't date anyone in highschool because I tried and failed and stuttered in front of women and had zero self confidence. I didn't date anyone in highschool because I did not feel a compulsion to. In all of those four years I had only two crushes one which lasted for 2 months and the other for 1 month. Both times I told myself that I should let it go and focus on my grades because those two girls wouldn't matter in the long run but my academics would. And so I did precisely that, and the feelings faded.

When I found TRP I didn't start blaming women for my behavior in highschool. I read TRP and agreed with 90% of it. The remaining 10% I learned. I never considered myself a failure in any sense because I never saw a point in making an attempt. I don't blame women for how I acted prior to TRP. I acted the way I wanted to and I don't regret it.

NalkaNalka · 2015-12-28T02:46:48+00:00

I just love how all these blue pill female supremacists keep insisting that a man's sexual success determines his character.

They seem to think that woman are some kind of mystic divining rod that tells us how men are on the inside. "if she is attracted then he is a good guy, if she is not attracted he must be horrible in some way that is well hidden to all save the Woman Human Divining Rod™

The Blue pill seems to think that the true test of a man's worth is if woman want to have sex with him. If woman don't want to have sex with him it must be because he is secretly a horrible person

The blue pill has such a hate boner for unattractive men it's getting more than a little creepy reading some of those posts.

Jacksambuck · 2015-12-28T08:37:28+00:00

Loser and the expectation of success it represents is a highly gendered term. You rarely see it applied to women, even though they form the bulk of those satisfied without a job, or a parttime clerking job, often wasting an expensive education in the process.

One thing you and TRP agree with is this double standard of expectations. They've accepted that women are teenagers who can't be expected to be as productive as them. Do you?

BitterSedditer · 2015-12-28T02:05:37+00:00

The level of solipsism here is off the charts!

"The world is just. These men aren't having success with women. Therefore, they MUST be unattractive, rude, misogynistic, neckbeards, and Nazi scum."

wrong. We were just taught by feminism that women love respect. In reality, they crave dominance.

Xemnas81 · 2015-12-28T02:04:13+00:00

Considering the expectations women have versus what they are willing to give, I'm not sure how you can reach that conclusion. This is just another "women are perfect and great, men just aren't good enough" nonsense parroted over the whole western world

Guys whose wives need to be "the captain" because the guys are man children. Guys, in other words, who are failures

This right here shows hat. You believe men who don't rise up to the standards set forth by women are failures. It never enters your mind as a possibility women could be at fault for anything

A truly submissive man would be working his ass off to please his woman, which ain't happening

What? That's the absolute bare minimum any woman requires. His total compliance and usefulness. Congress even jumps into action when women aren't provided everything they want and force us to provide

A truly blue pill man would be a functioning member of society and not a fat slacker.

This right here shows TBP in a nutshell. You are a fat useless slob if you are not useful to a woman. Right there. Go ahead BP, defend this shit

[deleted] · 2015-12-28T03:00:20+00:00

Wow!! look at the shameless shamming tactics. Classic blooper. No logic, just another bitter harpy generalizing trp.

Why so bitter bloopers? Because trp has the balls to call single moms losers that are ruining society? Knocking fat entitled landwhales off their imaginary pedestals? Trying to change unfair divorce laws or encouraging men to not get married to these self centered cunts to begin with??

If trp was really a bunch of fatbeards then why pay them any attention at all?

throwawaycomedian95 · 2015-12-28T03:08:18+00:00

I lost my virginity when I was 15, I've had sex with six other girls since. I found TRP when I was 16, now I'm 19. I've been in a relationship with my current girl for over a year

#NOTALLREDPILLERS

nomdplume · 2015-12-28T06:33:50+00:00

According to TRP, a blue pill man is unenlightened and does not realize how feminism has stacked the deck. A beta is a submissive man who gives power to a woman.

Your second sentence gets to the heart of it much better than your first sentence, since RP is true with or without feminism. Feminism has exacerbated some of the inherent problems in human sexual dynamics, but those problems existed long before feminism came around.

TRP helps these losers stop sucking by giving these men an excuse

Excuses don't stop anyone from sucking. Excuses are worthless. You either have the goods, or you don't.

RP can teach men how to have the goods. That's way more productive than coming up with ever more elaborate excuses.

You seem to want to play the same blame game that you accuse TRPers of playing. Your response seems to be, "Nuh-uh! It's men, not women!"

Both positions are fucking useless. Assigning blame for failure is a function of a warped just world fallacy approach to looking at life.

Failure is failure and needs to be overcome. Assigning blame is just rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.

I would presume that your position is that everyone who has ever started a business and failed is similarly fat and lazy and doesn't work hard if at all and are probably overgrown children? Would that be a correct assessment?

[deleted] · 2015-12-28T17:15:51+00:00

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throwawaycomedian95 · 2015-12-28T12:44:12+00:00

NO. Women not being attracted to him is the problem, and he himself is the cause of it.

TRP literally blames you for your problems, and encourages you to work on it.

GayLubeOil · 2015-12-28T02:33:16+00:00

There are so many Bloopies posting on Purple Pill either implying or outright saying that Red Pill is full of losers. Well I've skyped 400 Red Pill men and by and large they are mostly middle class college dudes.

However on the rare occasion that I have seen Blue Pillers there are plenty of fats, weirdos and forty year old Virgins. I swear to god I'm not making this shit up. This one time a 40 year old Bloopy posted a shirtless picture of his skinny fat body holding a baby.

I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE · 2015-12-28T03:18:54+00:00

This post does not seem like it's attempting to spark a debate. I'm sure you can find an "i hate men" sub if you look.

stats135 · 2015-12-28T02:56:16+00:00

Lets say I agree the distinctions you made. How does this change things at all? A man that is a fat lazy slob has a problem fulfilling his physiological need for sex. How will his situation improve by being a "truly submissive man." Is your "truly submissive man" ever gonna get blowjob offers with every meal from his women, if he works his ass off in submissiveness? Is your "truly blue pill man" ever going to get laid by being a functioning member of society? The answer is no and no. You are advertising that men should work harder, but nothing in suggests that men actually get compensated for hard work. As the old saying goes: work smarter, not harder. And that is what TRP is all about.

[deleted] · 2015-12-28T05:23:09+00:00

TRP theory markets itself as strategy to take control of life to achieve success and sex. It is presented with itemized ideas and literature, and as a kind of self-improvement. It is by far not the first thing to fit that profile. See anything from: every religion ever, to motivational seminars, to marketing for air fresheners.

That kind of thing has been so wildly successful in so many forms throughout history for many reasons. If you're looking for "the" explanation for a social phenomenon, then once you formulate your guess, you'll see evidence of it everywhere. But there is never only one explanation.

PersianDj · 2015-12-28T05:34:54+00:00

All I see is that men with status and looks don't try hard at all.They don't give a fuck.

Redpill is for those who are failures on all major accounts of life (education,appearance, money etc) and still need to maximize their 'game' somehow

Gnometard · 2015-12-28T16:05:45+00:00

Blue pill is a term used by RP to describe things not RP. Your entire post is bullshit

RareBlur · 2015-12-28T18:37:17+00:00

A lot if them might be lonely and depressed. No need to call them fat loses. How is that going to help anyone? Surly it won't make a lonely depressed person feel any better for you to call them names regardless of their physical appearance.

Might make you feel superior though.

Get off your high horse.

czerdec · 2015-12-28T22:27:23+00:00

except they're blaming feminism instead of Satan for their problems.

At least feminism exists! That's a step in the right direction. I can't prove or disprove a claim that feminism causes any man's specific sex problems, but I can prove a claim that feminism is bullshit.

[deleted] · 2015-12-29T04:55:27+00:00

I am a pretty normal, if introverted guy. Tall, decent looking, sharp tongued. I had three girlfriends by age 23 which I think may be a little less than average but certainly not indicative a completely failure with women. I was a very loving and caring boyfriend. I did everything the "right way" so when my relationship imploded in a soul crushing super nova I wanted answers. Searching eventually led me to TRP. A lot of TRP matched my lived and observed experience of being in a relationship and essentially explained everything that I did wrong. It was like a surreal experience where someone hands you a book and you realize your whole life is written down. I felt like I had been playing a part in a script, and that's exactly what I had been doing.

When you see your life predicted in such a way by set of ideas and theories, it's pretty powerful evidence. I don't think I'm a failure. I think I fucked up, looked for answers, and found some.

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2015-12-28T06:38:39+00:00

I'm a natural tbqh. Comes from the combination of going to an all boys school (comfortable with the idea of hierarchy) and tolerating fat girls (lots of chances to get my dick wet, always above them).

So fuck your theory nigga.

[deleted] · 2015-12-28T19:24:52+00:00

The blue pill isn't "pre red pill" it's anti red pill.

appencapn · 2015-12-28T04:24:33+00:00

Redpill often brags about their numbers. But most people who subscribe are angry children who have always been angry with women, never tried, and expected people to love them for who they are when in reality they are bitter, lazy, and have no talent. For the redpillers who got their shit together, I commend you. But redpill has no better success at making people own up to their shit as any other self help program. It really depends on the person to get their shit together. Too many guys use redpill to vent bitterly about women while doing nothing to improve themselves. You can tell by the heavy forever alone/RP crossover

Title	TRP men didn't used to be blue pill. They used to be failures who now blame women for their problems.
Author	TheShadowyScapula
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Date	December 28, 2015 1:58 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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