What SMV does a man need to be these days to attract a generic non-obese woman?

belletaco · 2015-10-15T20:03:18+00:00

If that's what you look like, stop reading RP, get a better psychologist and go outside in the real world, that guys a fucking babe.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-10-16T00:09:52+00:00

Go enrol yourself in a cooking class. Something European. You will learn to cook healthy, tasty meals, learn about nutrition, and broaden your social circle in a safe, supportive environment. The people you meet will have something in common with you (wanting to learn this new skill) and share the value of working with good food. A man who can cook is also a much more attractive ltr proposition than one who will burn the house down making macaroni cheese.

goatismycopilot · 2015-10-15T18:29:58+00:00

All I know is this, I hear RP men constantly carp about fat women and I think the fatness rates for men and women are pretty close to one another here in the US. So, I am not obese and I do not find obese men attractive. Obesity is not a woman problem, here in the United States it is a problem for both genders.

Those_Who_Remain · 2015-10-15T18:47:13+00:00

but my nan does say 'you've put on weight [fat]' as a compliment

I assume you you are quite skinny then (so am I), so gaining a bit of weight is seen as a good thing. It has nothing to do with fetishizing weight. Especially not when it comes to what your grandmother says.

bonerdude420 · 2015-10-15T21:55:17+00:00

Take a look in the mirror, give an honest score. That's the level of girl you can attract consistently

give_me_shinies · 2015-10-15T20:34:45+00:00

There's more male fatties than female fatties so I don't see why you'd have to go for a fat chick when you're not fat yourself.

[deleted] · 2015-10-15T19:38:36+00:00

I don't believe in settling for overweight women, but the woman on the left has a better body than the man on the right, fact.

[deleted] · 2015-10-16T02:23:46+00:00

I would love to put a number to these ranges... is SMV on a 1-10 scale, or is it a linear scale with some kind of universal measurement? It could be a log scale too, those are always cool.

Gnometard · 2015-10-16T02:27:32+00:00

Well.. I got myself down to 14% BF, a sexy beard, and I dress well. Now... I get the occasional hot chick and am bombarded with fat girl attention. I'd put myself at a 7 or 8. I've been told I'm higher and lower, so I'll settle for 7.

Thanks to social media and white knights constantly telling nasty girls they're sexy (when they could very easily unfuggly themselves through diet and exercise), women are looking far above their league because they believe their value is there.

TL;DR Bitches need to stop with social media and McDonalds. Validation only hurts you.

Lonny_zone · 2015-10-16T02:44:19+00:00

A 5 with game (though in many places this will only qualify you for overweight, yet non-obese women).

And if you actually look like that, you are at least a 7 (making you capable of avoiding obese women altogether), and all your problems are your personality and the fact that you do nothing but Internet.

alreadyredschool · 2015-10-16T08:09:59+00:00

jonascf · 2015-10-15T19:17:57+00:00

5 should be sufficient.

rulenumber303 · 2015-10-15T20:02:42+00:00

You want women from the top 50% who are visibly likely to be in the top 50%. As in you (or any of the men who are your competition) can be walking down the street and see one fifty metres away and figure she's what you're after. Therefore I suggest it makes sense that if you aren't in the top 60% of men yourself you will have a very very difficult time with the competition. If you are in the top 30% you will have a very easy time if you're willing to settle for someone on the 50th percentile not someone on the same percentile as you. Somewhere between being in the top 30% and being in the bottom 40% things get progressively more difficult. You could probably draw a graph of how the difficulty progresses and maybe it is a curve and maybe it isn't but why not presume its just a straight line, probably as accurate as any other guess you might make.

FirionDarklight · 2015-10-15T20:09:17+00:00

My guess is 5-7 and he will just look for a homely girl. Not the obese variety.

[deleted] · 2015-10-16T09:47:36+00:00

Now what is my physical SMV? I am on the skinny side. If I stood in a mirror you'd see my ribs.

This is not complicated, it comes down to height, weight, and body fat percentage. 10-15 percent body fat is the sweet spot, but you need muscle mass to complement it

If you look like those dudes, it would take you a couple months of good diet and lifting to not look so... Boyish

BeyondTheLight · 2015-10-16T10:10:17+00:00

Xemnas ffs.. stop smoking what ever you are smoking and just improve yourself.

[deleted] · 2015-10-16T12:30:44+00:00

A woman doesn't have to be obese to have a low SMV. She can have other unattractive physical features or be old.

antariusz · 2015-10-15T17:58:17+00:00

If you're looking for a beta bucks style relationship, a woman would probably go as low as a 4, assuming she is literally a 5 EXCEPT not obese (I'd argue most 5s are obese), so if this hypothetical 5 woman were to meet you, and you're a 4 physically, but you provide insanely well (say 150k a year minimum) then you can get into a relationship. If you only make say, 70k a year, your average 5 woman would not be interested in a 4 or 5 man, because she could and will try to land a 6 or 7 man with an average ability to provide.

This doesn't mean that she will be excited to fuck you, just that she will. Once a month, duty sex. Check out deadbedrooms.

If you want a relationship based solely on physical attraction and you want a 5-6 woman, (again very plain possibly even slightly ugly except not obese) you need to be at least an 8 as a man. If you're a 9, even better. I'm not even close to a 9, and yet I still get hit on and offers from women in the 4-5 range.

Xemnas81 · 2015-10-15T18:05:01+00:00

Do you live in the American southwest, Xenmas? I think this level of "fat acceptance" is more common in areas with high quantities of obese people. If the average person is fat, then fat becomes the new normal and the SMV scale adjusts appropriately. In areas with a lot of overweight people, chubby becomes the new skinny. The few chubby or thinner women are going to be in high demand, so they're not going to settle for a 5.

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-10-15T19:35:33+00:00

To pull for a ONS, generally it's best to be +1-2 points above the girl's SMV. Alternatively, if you have high status, you can get away with being equal or even -1 to her SMV.

Generally, you want to be a minimum 6.5-7 if you want to get a 5+.

buartha · 2015-10-15T19:44:38+00:00

Most of my friends who are between 4-6 have girlfriends who are, at worst, a little dumpy. I can only ever remember one of them LTRing a fat girl for any length of time. If a male 5 is willing to compromise a bit on facial features there's no reason who couldn't get someone on a similar level to him from what I've seen.

Title	What SMV does a man need to be these days to attract a generic non-obese woman?
Author	Xemnas81
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Comments	102
Date	October 15, 2015 5:49 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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