How many of you tried numerous relationships and found they're just not for you?

doubleknee24 · 2015-02-18T15:36:20+00:00

What do married men and prisoners have in common?

They spend a lot of time thinking about how they got in this situation

deadally · 2015-02-18T19:04:00+00:00

I've been married for quite a few years now, and we dated for quite a few years before that. Here's my take on your 5 points:

1) This depends on your definition of boring. My wife and I are comfortable most of the time not going out and blowing money and time. Then we get together with friends on weekends and hang out to play board games. It ticks the boxes on social interaction, and we get to spend as much time as we want together.

Also, it is incumbent on both partners to maintain something interesting. We have our own hobbies; nothing about my wife's hobbies include establishing social proof. We don't go to places we don't enjoy, and if one of us likes it but the other doesn't, we're likely to compromise on that.

2) My wife and I enjoy a lot of separate time. I am more extroverted, so I like to go out to groups a bit more. I do that a few times a week, and we spend a good bit of time together. We enjoy each other's company, whether we have something to talk about or not. And if I feel like shutting myself in a room to play guitar, I do it. She doesn't give a shit that our time is not spent 100% together. Perhaps this is an issue at earlier stages in relationships, though, and with certain women.

3) My wife has a few male friends, but she doesn't feel the need to go out and hang with dudes. She's a homebody, so she's more content to exercise at home and do her work. She does bring drama for the sake of drama, as she is even less tolerant of bullshit than I am.

4) No, I disagree strongly with this point. Early on in your relationship, you have a much different sexual relationship than later, yes. And the desire can ebb and flow, sometimes for a while. However, I've been with my wife for nearly 10 years now, and we have sex nearly every day if one of us initiates. This is an aspect of relationships that is neglected by a lot, and it's one of a few things that I've really gleaned from the red pill. Women (including yours in a long-term relationship) like sex. I am the guy she wants. I would characterize the sexual relationship we have now as better than it ever was in the beginning. We know each other a lot better.

5) Sure, just like kids take up your money, time, and resources. Just like playing video games could take up your money, time, and resources. If you find something worth engaging in, then it's worth spending your money, time, and resources. You have a very negative slant on this, so it's not worth it to you. I have a very positive slant on it, so it's worth it to me. What else would I want to spend my money on? Bullshit stuff that doesn't matter? Getting drunk? I'm honestly drawing a blank on that. We get to go out to eat at good places. We save for retirement. We live comfortably, and we get to be free from worrying about money too much. And I make 60k per year, so it's not like I'm fabulously wealthy, either.

So, all in all, I would not trade my relationship. Perusing the sexual marketplace would be fun, but it would be ultimately meaningless to me. I know several people who do not agree with this idea, men and women alike. I don't really feel like there's a particular stigma, just that a lot of people in relationships don't understand your perspective. I'd hazard a guess that most people in long-term relationships have never spent a significant amount of their adult lives single.

So if being single does it for you, awesome. I hope you continue being happy. But there are some really great women with good personalities who are also fun to be around and roll in bed with.

grewapair · 2015-02-18T20:42:43+00:00

I'm 53 and have been in long term relationships all my life until age 49 when I broke up with my last one and came to the conclusion that I had really gotten very little out of any of them, but had to put in a lot. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze.

I haven't seriously dated since (4 years) and I don't miss it at all, for the reasons the O. P. so eloquently stated.

And I didn't have to pay half my income for the privilege of being miserable in a marriage that I bailed out of ten days before the blessed event. Smartest thing I ever did.

Yes, I'm going to die alone. But half the men in nursing homes with kids end up dieing alone too.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-02-18T19:38:00+00:00

last year i made i promise to rebuild myself , i had 4 gfs before getting married and then i divorced after 4years.. so one of my goals was to have more sex.

In the last 2 years ive slept with 40something women and i dont have that feel of accomplishment I thought I would have

sex is great dont get me wrong but most of the times I could masturbate to some hot girl on the internet followed by watching a movie in bed before sleep and I was in most cases happier

maybe Im damaged or maybe I just havent met someone with quality traits but after this many tries Im starting to think this is all there is from the female gender

just a few minutes of awesome pleasure followed by endless dullness

argentinean · 2015-02-18T16:56:43+00:00

My girlfriend and i have been doing the breakup dance lately. One of the reasons I've been so hesitant to just let loose and end it is because i realized that if our relationship doesn't work out then I'll likely never be in a committed long term relationship again, for the reasons you've laid out and more. One of my best friends (who I successfully turned onto TRP) has said pretty much all of the same things. At a certain point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze. In a hypothetical future i can't imagine myself being more drawn to wanting to placate someone's need for attention more than finally making that hairpin leg coffee table i've been wanting to make or going to rugby practice or hanging out with my friends.

-Awake- · 2015-02-18T19:36:47+00:00

Have you been following me around? I have had the exact same experiences. In my experience I get the best from women when they are plates. I am sure some of it has to do with winning me over or not coming off as (x type girl). I have gotten into Relationships with plates and it is never as fun or enjoyable as seeing multiple women in a limited capacity. Once a week is all my plates get. So when we do see each other there is little stress and more fun. You are going have to deal with the "where is this going" and "What are we" talks. For me though, this is where I am happy. I am not a LTR guy.... I can't be, I won't be again, and it is the furthest thing from my mind. Any time I have entered into a LTR I notice that I immediately start putting her needs above mine and hold her to unrealistic standards. I expect the best from a mediocre person. In my mind I have given you my exclusivity now treat me like I deserve. This usually ends up with women being well below my standards of what I see as a LTR material. I have a very low tolerance for BS so I get out of the relationship and feel like I need to start my journey of self improvement all over again.

I feel your pain brother. Plus it gets really old having sex with the same person.

theredpill101 · 2015-02-18T23:32:59+00:00

This post is an in-depth discussion of the question men need to ask themselves before pursuing relationships.

"I want a girlfriend." What would you do with one?

That's it. That's the question. Men blindly pursue women and haven't a clue what they would actually do with her. Those who understand will state the obvious "I would fuck her." That's it. That's the relationship between men and women, at it's most base. But until one can internalize that fact, they will blindly chase after women, thinking a relationship is going to repair their empty, broken life.

The other piece to the relationship puzzle that people don't understand is that, in the long term, it is work and it is going to change.

Life is a series of moments. Try to maximize all of them. If you're in a relationship, stay in it as long as those moments make you happy. If you're single, live your life so that your moments are fulfilling.

But as soon as anyone starts causing miserable moments - ditch that shit. There's no reason to put up with it. None. The hard part is admitting that you would be happier alone than you are in a particular relationship.

The point here is: live a life worth living independent of anyone else. At that point, no one can control you.

GC0W30 · 2015-02-18T17:48:43+00:00

i used to get in to relationships and just lose my shit at the girls for their stupidity and all the trouble they would bring on themselves while bringing me in to it. if they dont have drama they will create it and they dont even realize theyre doing it in the moment.

darkstout · 2015-02-18T18:38:04+00:00

It's too easy to become "beta" in a relationship. Men let their women control them. Then of course it becomes boring, compromised, sexless, and expensive.

Boundaries must be set. Independence must always be there. There should always be a power dynamic. Don't settle for "equality" aka lowering yourself or raising her up. Make her a sidekick instead. Establish a father-daughter dynamic. Don't make her into your mother.

BobBobCan · 2015-02-18T19:34:15+00:00

I'm 30 now and was in long term relationships with beautiful but crazy and emotionally immature chicks for nearly all of my 20's. I viewed women differently than I do now for most of that time and I thought that there was reasoning behind their words and actions. I tried to make those relationships work on a peer or equal partner kind of level, and it kept blowing up in my face.

It took me a while to figure out that I have to build my own life and grant girls the privilege of being a part of it if they behave correctly, rather than trying to make it a cooperative effort with shared decision making. In the context of a relationship girls want leadership and not friendship, whether they realize it or not. And for me personally it took a lot of wasted effort and time to figure that out. But to answer your question, now that I view women in this way I don't differentiate much between them in an emotional sense and I don't pursue anything with them beyond the bang because I don't want anything beyond the bang. Maybe in five or ten years I will feel the desire to have kids so at that time I will pick a girl who is young and beautiful and not too much of a bitch (and not American) and have children with her. But short of that having a "serious girlfriend" isn't something I want after having done it for so many years.

I don't want to meet her trashy parents, I don't want to accompany her to the wedding of her formerly slutty friend who is now getting married to some poor bastard, I don't want to have to make big plans for her birthday, and I don't want to have a drawn out discussion about what to watch on Netflix every night. Some flirty banter and casual companionship that are lead-ins to the bang are all I seek in terms of a relationship, and if that can happen with more than one girl in a given week then that is ideal. Maybe that will change in the future, but I think I will be in this mindset for at least a few more years.

scamper_22 · 2015-02-19T02:45:31+00:00

I really think people want too much from a relationship. People expect way too much out of it. How much you put in or get out of it is really up to you.

Even the way you speak about it. It involves you doing things you don't want to do or entertain her. Well here's something... don't do those things. Don't spend money on her just because she wants to.

Let me give you an example. I at times like to show a girl a good time or go out. I remember the first girl I dated, I felt good taking her out. She was charming and appreciated me sharing my world. It was actually a pleasure taking her out. So she got to go out, and I felt good doing it.

Contrast it a bit with a girl I dated for about 8 months or a year. I hated going out with her because it was mainly about me just being there to keep her entertained or provide company. She seemed like always chasing the next high of place to go or thing to eat, and I was just there to keep the high going. Nagging about going out and shaming like why I don't like this or that. Dropped her soon afterwards.

yes, many women get ridiculously entitled. But you don't give in to that bullshit. Always make sure they're putting in the effort too. This valentines day, I didn't up doing much. The girl I'm with obviously tried the shaming technique like so and so at work got flowers or did this or that. She turned down dinner, because it looked like I was just doing it as a chore (which it was). Again, mainly the mentality. She was working for most of valentines day as a career woman, and then shows up putting no effort into it, and then expects to be entertained on valentines day. How about no. Disagreement yes... next day... She's doing some ironing. Looking peaceful, I'm turned on back to sex / no hard feelings. She comments something like 'domestic chores really run you on' I laugh a bit, but yes, seeing a woman peacefully doing something actually gets you to appreciate them. Was it the act of ironing? I don't think so. Cooking does turn me on though. I hate to break it to her, I'm not too turned on by seeing a stressedout working entitled version.

About the only part of your list that is valid is the drama part. They are drama and that is the hardest learning curve. They will use shame, and just start fights just to get a reaction out of you. It is a challenge to be sure.

For everything else, you don't need to take them out, spend money on them, put up with random guys hanging around... you ultimately choose to do those things. Put the ball in her court. If she wants to leave you because you don't take her out for fancy dinners, or you restrict her having male friends, or whatever... let her do it.

And you already see what you need to do to get a girl. You have to keep her busy. They hate boring. They love drama. They can't be bored. So guess where those facts should lead you. Never let her be bored. Give her shit to do. She'll even complain about it, but in the end, it is better for her to complain than be bored or feel useless.

learn to enjoy being called an ass-hole, lazy. Learn to enjoy her complaints.

And truth be told, a good charming non-entitled woman can actually get entertained and get taken out and every really feels good doing it. So you're just around the wrong women and more likely, you're approaching their entitlement wrong by not standing up to it. Yes, you can go MGTOW, which I fully support, but also, have you tried just not doing what they expect of you? And don't get shamed by society either. That's the whole point of it. Get immune to it and get immune to it fast.

Men have been shamed to be usefull tools for ages. We're even shamed into throwing ourselves into certain death in war just because.

Get immune to that fast. It's hard. I'm not 100% there yet, but that's where you need to be.

Relationships are not about being the person's best friend ever or being an entertainer. They're about running a household or having that male-female dynamic.

c4ndyflip · 2015-02-18T20:26:33+00:00

Only been in one ever when I was 19, haven't been in one since. That's almost 20 years ago. I've fucked them plenty since but I just can't be in a relationship with them, as soon as someone starts pushing our fuck buddy relationship into a more serious direction I start ignoring calls until she gets the point. Yep, it's callous but I just don't give a fuck. I'm happy like this.

TitsAndWhiskey · 2015-02-18T17:38:06+00:00

This is pretty much me. A few years ago, I thought I was hot and desirable because I had woman after woman trying to lock me down. Truth hurts, but I'm glad I see it for what it is now.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-02-18T21:55:22+00:00

The problem with being an intellectual is that you don't enjoy or appreciate sex just to have sex as much. My best friends from high school were so obsessed with getting laid that they would stay in long-term relationships with 4s, 5s, and 6s, just so they could fuck them. Then it became like a full-time job for them. Then they would brag about it to me and try to convince me that I was a "beggar," like them, trying to be a "chooser," and that I should settle for fucking any girl who would have me. I held out and began to work on myself to try and get hotter women. When I did start bagging hotter women, they started kissing my ass and looking up to me, whereas before they had ridiculed me. But then I ran into the problem of being turned off by the hot women's personality issues. I couldn't talk about anything with them. They had no intellectual curiousity. Later on, it occurred to me that I should just not try to find everything in one person, but at the time, I was obsessed with finding my "equal" since I had been propagandized to do as such." One of my cousins divorced his hot, younger wife, allegedly because he couldn't stand her intellectual vacuity. However, once I had several bad experiences with attractive, but dumb women, it contributing to destroying my motivation. I had been told my whole life that sex with a beautiful woman was the most desirable thing imaginable, but once I found I couldn't respect the woman, it soured the whole thing. And since I had tied working hard to bagging a hot woman, I ceased to work hard of awhile, ruminating on what I should actually do with my life. I then resolved that I should work hard for myself, but the whole "unicorn as reward" idea kept creeping back in to my motivations.

I don't agree with OP that all women are boring. There are attractive AND interesting ones, if you're not aiming for perfection, and if you know where to look. It's just that most guys focus purely on looks, and are then bitterly disappointed later.

__ROOSTER__ · 2015-02-19T03:30:35+00:00

Everything you're saying is for blue pill males.

I never fully enjoyed my BP relationships for all those and many more reasons.

My RP relationships are nothing like this at all

Captain the ship and set expectations for your first mate and enforce them. Do inspections and make on the spot corrections. Set the course and inform the first mate of their duties and responsibilities and check in. It's leadership.

Relationships suck because men aren't doing their job.

Yes, you can blame society, feminism, on and on. Or you can take control of the things YOU CAN control.

We modeled our fathers and the vast majority of them were coasting and letting women run the show which is why we are in this mess.

Be the leader.

Also even in my BP relationships the sex never decreased as years went by. Even the BP me knew how to set that expectation and enforce it and keep the sex exciting

alpha_n3rd · 2015-02-18T19:29:28+00:00

4) The sex goes downhill, always. While the first year always has good sex, after that its inevitable it will go down hill and become an irregular occurrence.

Took me 3 mos to nail my wife (legitimate virgin) and sex was great for the next 5 years. In fact I'd say the best sex we ever had was in year five. There were a couple of serious late night fuck fests that I'll never forget. Then we had kids and she got fat and it all went to shit.

That said I think the rest of your analysis is spot on and I wish I'd dumped her way earlier. Rollo was right, no pussy is ever worth the wait.

[deleted] · 2015-02-19T01:25:12+00:00

I have tried relationships and discovered women were not what i wanted them to be

cmiovino · 2015-02-19T03:14:08+00:00

Couldn't agree more, on all points.

Let me elaborate on the time one. Dated a girl 3 years. I get up for work at 5:30am, come home at 6:30pm to my place. Off weekends. We usually spent weekends together, both days, sometimes Friday-Sunday.

Then she wanted to start having dinner some nights during the week. Then it was more than one. Told her it was cutting into my workout time and that didn't go over well. Needy needy.

I'm the kinda guy who can hang out with a girl once a week, or even every other week and be completely ok with it. I also don't need daily texts. Girls don't seem to understand this.....

evilquesadilla · 2015-02-19T12:38:11+00:00

I'm starting to come to the same conclusion. Your list is pretty much spot on. I'm older than you are, so I've made a lot of concessions where #1 doesn't necessarily bother me anymore. I just consider that "relationship development time", and I don't need to do anything that interests me during that time. But, combined with #2, that's what kills it for me, because they want to do "relationship development time" 24/7. I need my time. I think relationships are for people that really really want it. Because the cost is so high.

I'm not sure what to do with my current relationship right now. I can feel myself checking out, but it hasn't degraded to disaster yet. I think she felt it, and she's been backing off and trying really hard. But women love drama, and it'll happen again soon. Each time that happens, I'm getting once step closer to the threshold. But I don't know what it'll take to get me away from the threshold, and that hasn't happened for a while now. I'm just tired.

I'm going to say if this relationship ends I'll stick with casual relationships only. But I know me. Once I've been bouncing around for a while I'll want to try again... only to end up the same way.

My theory is that I cannot have a successful relationship until I've learned to give up superficial requirements. I've met some not attractive women that would make excellent relationship partners. Note that not attractive does not automatically mean they're great in other ways, there are plenty of ugly women with no redeeming qualities. But it does mean there is a higher probability that they have other qualities to offer. However, I just cannot do it. I guess I'm too shallow, and I'm paying the price. Attractive women ALWAYS come with a pretty substantial price tag, in terms of both material and immaterial (mental/spirital/sanity) cost. But damn, they're hot, and I want them, and that's how I dig the hole and jump in, every single time.

vengefully_yours · 2015-02-19T13:14:19+00:00

I'm old, 45, have had many relationships, two were longer than two years. The first long one was living hell, abusive bipolar bitch who divorce raped me. Everything was exactly like stated, couldn't waitbto get away from her.

Second was different, I vetted her extensively, after 7 years together I committed. 18 months later she did the same lying, cheating bullshit. The sex was very good and at least every three days if not more often until the week she went stupid.

It was still expensive to have her, felt trapped, and got bored despite being satisfying because she was smart enough to be interesting.

I'm done with dating, LTR bullshit, and anything more than meaningless sex.

michael6795 · 2015-02-18T17:50:36+00:00

While it may be rare, I do think there is some merit to finding the right person. I focus on my school, she likes giving bjs and there's no drama. Been dating for half a year and its pretty chill.

SQQQ · 2015-02-18T21:05:58+00:00

what u've said is exactly why most women want to get married.

a single woman's SMV declines and MMV plummets with time.
a single man's SMV and MMV rises then stays high with time.
therefore, in all relationships, man have a reason to leave as time goes by.

this isn't just you or ur gf etc etc. this is just another universal truth.

IllimitableMan · 2015-02-19T15:38:05+00:00

They view you like a failure.

I suppose because reproductively speaking, you are. I believe this peer pressure is even higher for women. Notice how women are constantly obsessed with being in a relationship? More so than the typical man tends to be? Among various evolutionary-biological factors, I believe reputation/social proof to be one of their most conscious reasons for this aggressive commitment and communion seeking. She wants a relationship to benefit her and improve her image, not to help you. I think love, as in, a woman truly, deeply caring for you to the extent she is willing to sacrifice for you is all too rare nowadays. As we all know most emphatically, it is of course incredibly conditional when realised too. Men tend to fall in love more easily as a matter of instinct, their love is sacrificial, and somewhat sociopathic as it is, hypergamy demands constant sacrifice "to demonstrate your love." (sidebar: Briffault's Law)

The modern women often enough lacks even the basic desire or skills necessary to buy into man's delusions of romance and so fails to hold up her end of the fantasy by appearing to be what he craves. You see modern women have been taught that to please or appease men is an act of oppression, and so, to manipulate men with any feminine wile beyond her body (which she of course mutually derives pleasure from) is folly, even blasphemy to feminist ideals. You see, even the modern women who do not identify as feminist, are, for cultural and psychological purposes: feminist. Perhaps not radical feminists, perhaps not even man-hating, but if they believe they are equal to men, they are feminist. And so because women out of ego and indoctrination believe themselves to be equal, when in truth, there is nothing to suggest that they come even remotely close, women reveal themselves to us for who they really are. Egocentric with an inferiority complex is a good start.

By not even bothering to play to male sensibilities anymore, by not bothering to play on our fantasies, by not bothering to try to be the girl of our dreams, out of the foolishness of believing that her body alone is enough to command our love and undying loyalty, we have come to understand the nature of women better than any of our forefathers could ever hope. Feminism did not change women, rather, it revealed them for who they truly are: what it is to be female without man-made ideologies actively and socially suppressing the worst parts of their nature. These modern women, they are uncivilized. Women fear shame, and in a society without shame, they are most rabid, almost animal-like for the most part. Women are closer to nature than we as men could ever hope to be, their emotions are more volatile, and their self-control, less pronounced.

You see traditional women, RPWs and the such: they are not so much "different from the average woman" in nature, but more, it is a case of differing strategy. Their programming is the same. Just rather than fight you to get what they want, they will complement you to do it. It is a matter of conquering you via flattery and fantasy rather than through conflict and overt oppression. Men want to be woo'd by a woman, to give into fantasy, to find respite in women - but women no longer bother to fabricate this pretence. As they become more manlike, so does their method of co-option. Does she draw her power from emulating the masculine as militant feminists do, or from playing on your fantasies of women, becoming everything you desire in order to exercise undue influence over you?

When women behave so transparently vile, even the plugged in man begins to wonder, and that's what drives so many to seek out communities such as TRP to begin with. Where once women were merely Machiavellian, now they are also incredibly narcissistic. It is that narcissism which undoes the illusion of love that men are predisposed to believe in. You can't play on man's fantasies when you're a narcissistic woman. You lack the airs and graces. Your ugliness is too obvious. You are not loveable.

WeCantHaveFun · 2015-02-18T17:57:02+00:00

LTRs are good for housework.

ONSs and prossies are good for fucking.

VoidInvincible · 2015-02-18T23:52:31+00:00

Be careful about number (2: If you spend too much time with her, she'll lose attraction. I learned that the hard way. You HAVE to spread yourself out, even if she wants to spend time with you...otherwise she may get bored, right?

MattyAnon · 2015-02-19T00:48:13+00:00

Totally agreed on all points. And if you live with them, it all goes double.

Especially agree with 1,2,3 and 4.

As regards 5: definitely a lot of my free time. Relationships never cost me much money. I've always gone halves on everything and never been BB. Occasional treat meals (approx $60 / month) but that's it. The expenses beyond that are quality of life stuff: shared meals, shared holidays, shared days out. If a girl is into you, she expects to pay her way. If not, be careful the door doesn't hit you on the way out.

I'm done with monogamy, that's for sure. Maybe I could do an LTR, maybe not. But if I do it will be on my terms and one of those terms will involve me always having other options.

DoDraper · 2015-02-19T09:37:39+00:00

OP, are you me? I have been thinking the same all these while. Long term relationships usually bored shit out of me so far.

oldredder · 2015-02-20T10:34:37+00:00

I'm done. Relationships destroy my time & money like nothing else. I could literally throw all that money and time away at the horse races or lottery tickets and come away with more return.

There is sex but there's only particular horny girls that actually want sex all day every day - and I only want to keep fucking them. The rest.. just want emotional tampons & are willing to give up 'some' sex to get that.

[deleted] · 2015-02-18T19:47:39+00:00

When you try the plate model of TRP - especially if you can get to the stage where you can get a rotation going - most people will find that the only girl worth LTRing is a girl who is SIGNFICANTLY higher RMV/SMV than the girls they are plating. I don't dislike relationships, I just have a insanely high standard for them (as all men should IMO).

suomyno · 2015-02-18T21:59:42+00:00

I'm in the process of shopping for shackles... er... wedding rings with my current girlfriend, and I share most of your feelings. I told my girlfriend a few basic things before agreeing to move forward with the relationship (aka start shopping for rings):

You will not be the last girl I sleep with. It doesn't matter how amazing the sex is, I still crave variety, and I can only suppress that craving for so long. Hell, it's in our DNA to seek out as many sexual partners as possible. Also, sex with the same person gets old after a while. We've all probably heard the saying, "For every 10 out there, there's a guy who's tired of fucking her".
When it comes to things like hobbies, I'm going to do what I want when I want to. My hobbies are pretty involved (camping, rock climbing, dirt-biking, surfing, etc.) and often require certain conditions in order for them to be possible. So, for example, I'm not going to give up a chance to go surfing when the waves are good just because you feel like we haven't had enough "alone" time in the past week. If she shared my hobbies, it wouldn't be an issue. But, like you said, girls are too busy competing with each other on Instagram all day to do anything fun.
I'm never having kids. No, I'm not going to grow up and realize how great it would be to have a family when I'm 35. If you somehow get pregnant, you can either abort it or give it up for adoption. If you keep it, you're raising it on your own.

evenmoretiredoflibs · 2015-02-18T18:26:35+00:00

In my experience 1 and 2 aren't necessarily true, 3 is something inherent in human relationships in general (adding sex and jealousy in doesn't help), 4 is definitely the case but up to us as Red Pill Men to make sure it stays where we want it to. 5 yeah, they are expensive as fuck!

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