The Covert Reason Women Hate Male Spaces

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April 11, 2015

TL;DR Men, when left to their own devices, declassify top secret information of the female imperative. Women fear word of truth may fall on the ears of betabuxes, their retirement plan. Previous sexual indiscretions and what makes a woman tick are facts females wish to keep on the DL so they can navigate the sexual marketplace to their advantage.


Women have always disliked males spaces, but it wasn't until recently that they have invaded them. From the military and video games (also here), to the NFL and NBA, women have managed to turn these spaces into media outlets that shine attention onto themselves and police their tone. There are three primary reasons for this occurrence:

, and the third I've come to discuss in this post which has only been marginally discussed and vital to the female imperative.

Dualistic Sexual Strategy

Most men of the manosphere are familiar with the female sexual strategy, Alpha Fucks-Beta Bucks (AF/BB) [the foundation of this article], a subconscious process where the female divides men into two categories: the man she enthusiastically gives herself to without commitment (alpha fucks), and the man who must provide to get at most, much less sex than the alpha fucks, usually of the duty and vanilla variety (beta bucks).

The majority of men in the world aren’t aware of this dynamic even though it always existed, and that’s because starting from the dawn of agriculture and writing in Mesopotamia, leaders of civilization went to great lengths to suppress the expression of female sexuality with religion and social shaming. It was only recently, starting from the Sexual Revolution in 1960, that women’s sexuality was set loose when Margaret Sanger’s feminist efforts had the birth control pill approved by the FDA. It was the first time men could have casual bareback sex (without pregnancy), and uplifted nature’s barrier to female promiscuity, pregnancy. The highly classified operation, AF/BB, was initiated. It was the official birth of the sexual marketplace, where men could compete with one another for commitment-free sex. It was the birth of game itself. Like all cultural revolutions, the effects took time to assimilate into society. Now, we’re seeing the results. In this case, male space invasion.

Top Secret

Hypergamy and AF/BB are in a woman’s nature. It’s, not right, it’s not wrong, it just is. Amoral. However, if the bottom 80% of men who compete for women’s affections were to be aware of this practice, it would be a complete disaster. The chances for women to secure their needed commitment would be endangered. It's why Germany outlawed private paternity tests without permission from both partners to prevent “the abuse of private personal data” and France completely outlawed private paternity tests to “preserve the peace of French families”. Imagine millions of men realizing that the families that they've help support for a great portion of their lives, were not theirs, and that their significant other knew about it all along. For this reason and many others like it, women keep quiet. Now let's get to the point.

Why Male Spaces Are Dangerous

The subreddit, /r/deadbedrooms, is a cesspool of men who can’t get their significant others to put out. The original post , “Thinking we are done, four weeks into our wedding”, was removed, but pasted and summarized here, and quoted word for word below. This account is critical to my next point.

It starts out with a man in a once-every-two-months dead bedroom. One day he goes to an alcohol-fueled industry trade show related to his fiancée’s work. He wanders off on his own and strikes up a conversation with a random guy:

Anyway, we got onto exes. I admit, I don’t have many. Well I have one, but that was a long time ago. So he was doing most of the talking. Alcohol, loose lips, etc. Anyway, my fiance is off in the distance and I was about to mention her. But just then he mentioned her instead even pointing her out sort of slyly.

He said she was one of his exes, but more like a friends with very good benefits. I don’t know why, I just decided to let him talk. He referred to her as “the dirtiest woman ever” and how when she first met him, within ten minutes she was leading him around the club they were in trying to find a second guy to have a threesome with. Then another time she had him round for a booty call and she was apparently very into toys. Apparently she had done most of his friends too and they would often talk about her. But he was laughing all the way through this, just sort of guy talk. Not in a mocking way, he was just letting the alcohol run his mouth.

This didn’t click with me at all. My fiance? Threesome? Toys? No way. She barely moves during sex and most certainly does not give me blow jobs or even hand jobs nowadays. She told me she finds blow jobs degrading and one time I suggested buying her a sex toy she told me only sad women use those. Who is this guy talking about that can “suck dick like a champ” and all this sort of thing. Yes, I remember the words he used.

How did he know that this guy was telling the truth?

But he said something that made some uncomfortable listening. I just plain didn’t believe him. But what he said was that he knew of a specific tattoo that really unless you had seen her naked, you wouldn’t know about. I’ve had a scaffolding pole fall and break my rib once… this conversation hurt more.

Eventually, the trickle-truth comes out, and her response is so typical that it could be computer-generated.

It took a couple of very tense days for her to finally tell me everything and I doubt I heard everything. But she was “wild” in her college days, she was “trying things out, getting to know herself” and that it’s past her and she isn’t some sort of slut and it was bad of me to ask about this. My fiance admitted to sleeping with around 20 guys during her “wild” years and let slip one or two things I didn’t know about. I never really asked her for her “number” but given what I know, I think 20 may be an under estimate. I think when she admitted to an entirely different foursome with this guy I realized that the threesome I’d heard about wasn’t an isolated incident.

The poor guy stays with her to see if things will eventually get kinkier, but they don’t:

I even brought up the subject of sexy fantasies once. I tried being low key, saying that I found stockings hot, that I liked her in red lingerie. In truth I have never seen her in stockings or lingerie of any kind. Anything I said just seemed to be met with “I’m not a whore, stop treating me like one.”

  • Reason 1: Sexual History Threatens Provisioning

Gentleman, this is why male spaces are dangerous. A woman does not ever want the alpha-fux and the beta-bux to meet and greet. With enough time, the the alphas are likely to influence the betas, and wake them up from their blue pill conditioning; this is unacceptable. The betabux is her retirement plan.

At no time should her provider wander and spend too much time in a male space, especially those containing ‘alphas’. It would be like allowing illiterate slaves access to books and people that can read. Eventually, the slave may come to the conclusion that he has been lied to and believe he can exist outside the boundaries set by his master; that in fact, it is his master that needs him. He's in a prison of his own making.

Unbeknownst to many betabuxes, the Madonna-Whore complex does not exist. The Madonna and the whore are two coexisting sides of every girl. “Every woman is a whore, except my mother. But let us not forget that she is a woman, too.” – Unknown. Relationships are sex in exchange for time, resources, and commitment, the definition of prostitution. The only difference between the lady of the night and the virgin walking down the aisle, is the price she has set for pussy. It would be in every female’s interest to prevent those they deem ‘beta’ from knowing the ‘Madonna’ they thought they’ve purchased, at full price, was actually a used car with 200,000 miles on it, disguised with a new paint job, and many men before him rented it for free while it was still new. He just might abandon it on the side of the road. Women know that their most valuable asset, other than their bodies, is their sexuality. They will attempt to hide the hoe-fax at all costs.

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Edit : Thanks for the gold.

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Title The Covert Reason Women Hate Male Spaces
Author dr_warlock
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Date 11 April 2015 09:25 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus86 points87 points  (18 children) | Copy

Outstanding post. Excellent explanation of theory, well applied to real life examples and written with great clarity and fluidity (which is increasingly becoming something you can only expect from the top posters here).

It's a much more general and simplistic point but I think another reason why women hate male spaces is because they recognise that men are powerful and never more so than when they are together. They see that men are strong, wise, clever, bold, ambitious, loyal and firm but our weakness is that we are prone to subtle manipulations. Because it is something we are not raised to practice, we are not good at recognising or dealing with it. And women are pros at it. They know that if they can only isolate us from other men and male discussion they can manipulate us over time in myriad different ways with the net result of reducing our power.

[–]-Quotidian22 points23 points  (10 children) | Copy

Women are volatile. I think that's the best way to put it. They bring unnecessary risk into environments where men are looking to unwind and recover from the strain that life inevitably brings.

And most don't see it that way. It never crosses their minds. Not being wanted terrifies women in ways men have no need to appreciate. It doesn't matter to them that it's conditional. Patrice O'Neal summed this up perfectly when he said that when he wants a woman 'around' he doesn't mean in his space, he means in the general area.

Patrice's example aside, women rarely make male-oriented anything better. We respond to different signals with different electrochemical impulses, we are better equipped to handle physical stress and activity, and enjoy different things. Shaming someone for their strengths and preferences doesn't make anyone likable.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Example: last week, at my job, (I work in a restaurant chain), the bartender (Tyler) is showing me the basics of fencing, a sport I knew nothing about, as it played on TV. He grabs a broom handle to use as the sword to demonstrate the various stances, attacks, and defenses.

In no more than 30 seconds, a female employee makes her way over to us to protest about "how dangerous" it is and that we should stop. I basically told her to shut up, and shooed her away immediately. Afterwards, I actually confronted her and questioned why it is that every time 2 or more men are having fun, a woman must come around to try and throw a wrench into things.

I get along with her just great, so she laughed it off, but even she knew there was truth to it.

[–]-Quotidian16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women hate the idea of men being happy without them. All women need to feel wanted or needed to feel happy as women, or risk feeling like a failure to their gender.

On top of which, Pook once wrote that "charm" was treating women "like little girls." Men doing playground shit is stimulating in some way--people who aren't working or studying find it funny or exciting to see people cutting loose and fucking around. Women, who always crave stimulation, resent not being involved and respond by trying to involve themselves or shut it down.

[–]yougotshitonyourass13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women don't allow men to have "their space" but in the same time the feminists share the idea that women have to have a "safe place":

Safe spaces are an expression of the conviction, increasingly prevalent among college students, that their schools should keep them from being “bombarded” by discomfiting or distressing viewpoints.

When we know that, in most cases, rape mean being uncomfortable and experiencing regrets after having sex with a white male we can chuckle a little.

The safe space, Ms. Byron explained, was intended to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma. Emma Hall, a junior, rape survivor and “sexual assault peer educator” who helped set up the room and worked in it during the debate, estimates that a couple of dozen people used it. At one point she went to the lecture hall — it was packed — but after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.

That's how they deal with being raped ? Anyone who had not share the idea that women should be treated like childrens is proven the opposite even by feminists themselves. Article

Sorry for grammar

[–]johngalt12346 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are children after all ;)

[–]hillstaffer692 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is on the right track. Men don't want to infiltrate women dominated spaces, but women seem to be obsessed with taking over male spaces. Not all women do this obviously, many see the value in letting their man have "Man-Time". But even the good ones probably have a desire to share in the Man-Time, they just know their man doesn't want them. I do not know one man who would want to be part of his woman's "Girl's Night".

My theory is that women see this Man-Time as a soft rejection. As a sort of affirmation that their man doesn't really like them, spend time with them or want to be with them. Men on the other hand are basically pros at rejection by the start of high school. We feel no need to be with our woman all the time, nor do we feel ultra-concerned by what her and her friends do or what they discuss. This is all from the point of an alpha though. I honestly don't know if beta men care about what their woman does

[–]twoheadedratboy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is all from the point of an alpha though.

hillstaffer69 - alpha male.

[–]hillstaffer690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha alpha in the context of the Rep Pill.

[–]trumpill9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a saying that I don't often say out loud: feminism exists because men allow it to. Men working together is toxic to the female imperative and struggle for power.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

...manipulate us over time in myriad different ways... reducing our power.

It's the well-worn chord of tragedy strummed in King Lear, heard too late, in life.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women derive value by affixing themselves to men. A woman who marries the king becomes a queen.

Groups of males have historically been the only thing to ever effect change. Women have known this since the dawn of our species. By infiltrating (and eventually controlling) a male space, women derive actual power for themselves.

The first thing women do when infiltrating a male space is repurpose it for her own needs. It happened with workspaces, it happened with academia, and without diligent moderation it would have happened here too.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

True and as a general point, very valid. This would offer a solid explanation for the female invasion of some male spaces like politics, media, and academia where there is power up for grabs. But it doesn't seem to offer an explanation for the intrusion into male spaces which don't offer any real power - more social spaces - such as gaming or the casual watching of sport (I hate it when women demand to join the guys watching the football despite a blatant lack of interest). Perhaps in the latter case the explanation is more rooted in the wanted to feel included/wanted/needed that others have referred to.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's localized power. The same way that being a forum moderator, or the head of a Home Owner's Association is a form of power. There'll always be someone who wants a piece of it.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger133 points134 points  (15 children) | Copy

This post gives too much introspection and credit to women.

Women are not, as a collective, attempting to intentionally manipulate men and society as a whole by deliberately going out today, being super-slut-whores, knowing full well that in 10 years, they’ll cover that up and snag a loser husband with an engineering or computer science degree to pay their way while they deny him sex, cheat, and eventually divorce him for cash and prizes. That’s not an intentional plan for 99 percent of them. That’s just a very unfortunate by-product of a society that idolizes women and puts absolutely no checks on their whims and self-serving behaviors. They're not trying to hide the "truth" from us. They barely know the truth themselves. They're just chasing shiny things like kittens because why not? They get nine lives.

If you let a woman do whatever she wants with no consequences, she’s going to do whatever seems like a good idea at the time. A hot guy is trying to fuck her and she’s attracted to him? Why not fuck him? Birth control is free, abortions are legal, this guy’s practically a stranger so nobody will ever know unless she tells someone herself, and society has pretty much made being a slut a virtuous rite of passage rather than something to be ashamed about. She’s not doing this as a part of some master plan to score this guy’s semen, sate her biological urges, intending full well to have a dead bedroom with her future husband, cuckold him, and divorce rape him. She’s just doing what seems like fun at the time, because society has placed no restrictions on her behavior. No consequences.

Ten years later, all of this woman’s Facebook friends are getting married and starting families. She’s getting fewer offers from hot men. She’s always wanted to have a bigass wedding. So why not? She does what seems like fun and like a good idea at the time. Why not try out this bigass wedding thing and have a slav..I mean husband buy her a house and support her for awhile? It’s no skin off her back. She doesn’t really have to do anything as a wife. She can work or not work, clean or not clean, cook or not cook, and only has to have sex with her husband if she wants to. Any time she wants, she can just renege on the marriage and leave. She gets the kids, half the assets, and a check every month for doing so. Hell, she can even have numerous affairs, be the one that initiates the divorce, and still get all of that. She doesn’t intend for that to be her future. It’s not her master plan to marry a loser chump then divorce-rape him later. But she has that safety net in place so there aren’t any consequences for her if this marriage thing doesn’t work out or she changes her mind. She’s not out to get men. She’s just doing what seems like a good idea at the time, because society has placed no restrictions on her behavior. No consequences.

Ten years and four husbands later, she’s not happy, but she’ll be damned if she lets on. She’s posting left and right on Facebook about how great her life is and telling all of the world’s young women how great it was to be a slut, then a divorcee three times over, plus a single mother, and how powerful and independent she is. Women never make mistakes. Society makes sure of it.

[–]denmaur21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's why I intend to plan ahead. I'm building a nice little nest egg and own my home free and clear. I plan to legally set it up for my son so when the time comes, he can live in the home but if he divorces, she can't touch it. He's only 12 now, but like I said, I'm planning ahead.

[–]RPMav2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let him buy his own house and build his own nest egg. With everything you give him you are depriving him of the satisfaction of doing it on his own and the discipline that comes with achieving his goal.

[–]denmaur1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He can build his own nest egg. I plan to spend mine. But I want to give him a little head start so he's better off than I was. So the house makes sense. That's just my preference, other people may prefer to leave cash, and others may prefer to spend what they have and let the kids start from scratch.

FYI, if you're going to leave money for your children, you can have it set up so they get it over time. For example, part of it when they graduate from college, part when they marry, when the first child comes, etc. In fact, you can even skip a generation and leave it to your grand children. Basically it's your money and you can handle it the way you want. Just do it before you're too old to know what you're doing.

[–]2johnnight5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

So women do whatever the fuck they want and because of a generic life path (CC/wall/marriage/kids/divorce) it looks like the same grand plan.

Exception: some actually do have a plan. The smarter, ruthless ones. It's in the sidebar as Michael's story.

[–]hardbodystud4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You hit the nail on the head. The trends we see aren't a result of some premeditated initiative orchestrated by women, it's just women subconsciously following their natural instincts in the modern landscape of society.

[–]RedFerrumy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with what you said, /u/Archwinger and, to expand upon your post, I think that your comment touches on a mental snag that many men (myself included) get hung up on during the process of unplugging. The snag is, during discussions on female sexuality, the female reproductive imperative, and the motivations behind the actions of females , men tend to search for, and often falsely inject, logical reasoning as a cause of the aforementioned behaviors. More often than not, as /u/Archwinger pointed out, this logical reasoning was never present in the first place.

Female behavior is mainly driven by an emotional engine powered by the combination of hypergamy and the social influence exerted upon a female by her social peers. Logic, being an inherently masculine trait, is almost never part of the equation. When men erroneously project a logical reason behind the actions of females, i.e. women disliking male spaces because of the risk of losing a sexual advantage due to the information shared between men*, we lose sight of the more feminine, and often more realistic, cause of the actions of females (in the case of disliking male spaces, the "female" cause would be the innate fear of being a social outcast, not the risk of men blowing the lid off of female sexual strategy, which is a very masculine way of looking at this scenario).

The takeaway from my contribution to the thread is this: it is important to develop the ability to view female behaviors from the perspective of the female and the feminine social and sexual imperatives. Developing this skill will enhance your abilities in deducing why females behave the way that they do, as well as improving your tactics when interacting with women.

*/u/dr_warlock's post was an excellent read, and I am not putting him on blast. I used the topic of his post as a way to highlight a hiccup in male thought and to promote discussion.

[–]foldpak1112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're not trying to hide the "truth" from us. They barely know the truth themselves. They're just chasing shiny things like kittens because why not? They get nine lives.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yes, women are reactionary, usually not proactive

Edit: was mistaken.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Does the formatting come out funny on your end? It looks clean on mine. What's inserting a hyphen between paragraphs affect?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nvm, in this case, it was because I was mobile. But the hyphen technique does add a slightly bigger space between the lines. It's subtle, but looks good.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen169 points170 points  (69 children) | Copy

Good stuff.

My personal consipracy theory is, that this hate is deliberatly fueled by the elite's mass media propaganda machine.

Spaces where men come together and are safe to think and speak freely do not only pose a threat to women's power, but also to that of those who are actually in charge.

[–]1kingofpoplives104 points105 points  (23 children) | Copy

My personal conspiracy theory is, that this hate is deliberatly fueled by the elite's mass media propaganda machine.

Conspiracy theory?

With the hoax rape stories and the endless race baiting (he was a good boy who dindu nuffin) it's incredibly obvious that The Narrative is the primary directive. If it conflicts with facts, so much worse for the facts.

With the UVA case, they ran with a 100% fabricated story that was quickly exposed AND YET were still able to further the "sexual assault on campus is a serious problem" agenda -- zero hoax perpetrators were punished and new anti-frat rules were pushed through that still stand. Plus they got to dominate the national media for weeks. That's some fucking power right there.

The crazy thing is how many otherwise rational, well educated people are completely dominated by this mind control. Unless you go out searching for red pills, the coherence of The Narrative creates a virtually air tight reality tunnel.

Even people who were otherwise outraged that the UVA rape story was published feel the compulsive need to couch those statements in "but it's true that sexual assault is a serious problem." The hold of The Narrative is such that they are self-policing their own crimethink.

[–]foldpak11145 points46 points  (13 children) | Copy

The amount of men trapped in the matrix is horrifying. You can't even talk to guys anymore. I live in Portland (leftist capital of America) and you should see the amount of guys that get butt hurt over my presence. I'm always a kind guy, it's just my energy levels are much higher. I feel so sorry for these guys.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

It is bad that most men are still plugged in, but for those of us who are free it's less competition. I'm starting to think freeing even more isn't in our best interests.

Ultimately it won't matter, the whole system will eventually reset on its own just the same way it has time after time. It'll be messy and dangerous for many, so keep your heads down when things do finally go the way Rome went.

[–]fittitthroway7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unless everyone is addicted to VR and drugs and stay holed up relying on free Amazon delivery while living off welfare.

[–]slavetothought4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Leftist capital of America" Have you not been to Olympia?

[–]Croc_Chop3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Aww hell i was thinking of moving to portland too Is it really that Leftist that you cant walk around without being called a misogynist?.

[–]foldpak11123 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's fitness central so you won't be judged by looks, but if you say anything that isn't politically correct or pro-fem, you get attacked. It's a great place to determine how alpha you are. The more you act like a man, the more people hate you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I go to school in the sec.

My buddies get it.

It's great

[–]Heizenbrg1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

what do you mean by energy levels?
The worst place for guys who get it is a liberal arts college, it's just disgusting talking to these poor clueless dudes.

[–]foldpak1112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

High energy is charismatic, charming, witty, strong body language. Lesser males get offended by this.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've been there. All the dudes were feminine hipster twats. I couldn't wait to leave.

If you have a thing for fucked-in-the-head tatted chicks though, that's the place to go.

[–]foldpak1112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, right. Though most chicks are nasty here, there are some pretty cute Asian/Hispanic chicks downtown to game. But 99% of the men... Good god it's disgusting. I can't even socialize without guys talking shit behind my back about me being some 'douchebag'.

[–]jcrpta19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

The hold of The Narrative is such that they are self-policing their own crimethink.

Yep. My brother exemplifies this to a tee. Wouldn't dream of saying anything even remotely un-PC about a woman, let alone to one.

The joke is he's 29 years old, easily weighs 250lb and I don't think he's ever had a girlfriend; the closest he's come is a girl he fancied who told him she "wished he was her brother".

I wouldn't be surprised if he's still a virgin.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ask him. Get involved. Be the brother you should be. The one who pokes awkward questions because no one else will. If you don't challenge him who will?

[–]Trenstate18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah dude, be a real brother instead of clowning on him, do what is expected of you. For example, my mother is almost everything TRP describes women to be and it rubs off on my little brother. So, he being 13, I recently took him under my wing and train him in the gym while dropping realities on him slowly and trying to demonstrate as best I can what he ought to strive for and what not to be deceived or phased by.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brother's keeper is the least he could do.

[–]jcrpta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know the honest truth?

I don't know how.

We live separate lives now; he lives some 500 miles away so I can't exactly bang on his door every weekend.

He has decided his shape is a product of society, not of his own laziness. I have no idea how I could go about dissuading him of this.

[–]Heizenbrg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck man, he's your bro don't you feel sorry for him?
I'd get him in a gym asap!

[–]Pornography_saves_li5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Almost as if the world were in the grip of a great delusion....

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil49 points50 points  (7 children) | Copy

Its not a conspiracy theory. Get a large group of fit men together and go to a semi public space like a supermarket or mall. People wont feel comfortable.

[–]-Quotidian25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. I am fascinated by instinct and gut feelings, and picturing what you just described made my hackles rise.

There's power in numbers. In groups, the strongest man stands out. A group of physically developed men is more powerful than the public can typically tolerate. It's less a question of how likely they are to use that power, but a matter of how jaw-clenchingly uncomfortable it is to think of how helpless that power can render them.

Cohesive groups of capable men who aren't associated with anything benign are an inherent threat because they have the potential to be.

[–]foldpak11116 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's so true. Wanna know how I know? I used to be that guy. And the reason people feel uncomfortable, beta males specifically, is because they think they can't be part of it. Not muscular, popular, tall, calibrated enough... Whatever delusions they have.

The funniest part is that society views us as judgemental, when in fact, our thing is free to all, so long as you're not a chode and you hold yourself to a high standard. Oh well, all the attractive girls flock to our groups so it's all good.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

This speaks volumes about the way some people think if not raised properly.

[–]foldpak11110 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

They are extremely judgmental. I just recently had some beta males over at my house. I am very, very fit and confident, and I tried being as nice as possible because beta's are very sensitive, but the looks on their faces showed nothing but disgust. It's probably the most stifling experience I've had. Judgmental assholes

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you need some new friends.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

keep fighting the good fight brah.

[–]Gunnilingus3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I never thought about that the way you just explained it, but I think you're right; many betas hate alpha males and unilaterally label them as "douchebags" because for whatever reason they feel they can never attain the lifestyle and characteristics the alphas enjoy. Maybe that's what separates a lifelong beta from one who may one day recover: the two possible reactions to observing an alpha. One group sees an alpha and deploys its beta-hamster, saying "I can never be him, therefore he is a douchebag." The other group (to which I once belonged) sees an alpha and decides, "I will do all that I can to learn and emulate the clearly superior traits this man exhibits; I will go to the gym, I will emanate confidence, others will admire me everywhere I go." It turns out, that while it takes dedication, it isn't even that hard to become an alpha male. The testosterone produced in our collective nutsack gives us the key to the alpha ferrari, we simply must listen to what it's been telling us to do all along.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (10 children) | Copy

This is a great point, I often feel like TRP is one of the few places where bullshit is always called out as such. There are so many ideas and dialogues that I have seen here that are so mentally clear and concise, saved from the echo chambers that surround us in everyday life. I have really learned to look past all the "feels" and other crap to really see people's true motivations for their actions and behaviors. It is only logical that women and authority figures wouldn't want people to realize this when their power and influence is centered around it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

To be fair I'd have to mention that most people do not want to see behind all the bullshit. It would mean that they'd be going to be free one day and that's what they want to avoid, since truly being free also means being responsible for yourself and tearing down all the strawmen there are, which allegedly hold you back from becoming who and what you want to become.

[–]-Quotidian7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's 106,439 Red Pill subscribers at the moment. There's roughly 7,324,782,000 people in the world. You make a good point about the all-too-common impulse to avoid personal responsibility, but let's appreciate for a moment that as a population we don't really compare.

Top 20% of men, wasn't it? If men are about half of that seven billion, and only the top 20% of them are alphas, then we're comparing ourselves to 10% of the world's population. Even if that ten percent is made up of people who do want to see behind the bullshit, holy fuck, there are lot of heads in the sand out there.

…sounds like opportunity.

[–]morphite652 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Personal responsibility is scary to a lot of people, apparently. Most of our society spends time thinking up ways to avoid it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Give a thought about truly being free. What would it mean? What would come with it? What new responsibilities would arrive?

Now think about an SJW havin to face that.

[–]Heizenbrg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is like heading to the pub with your buddies, just the online version of it ;)

[–]FaustoRMD8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

And the media and laws are fueling the hate between men and women, destruying thus the family. Without family, the State is all we have. And we know who controls the state.

[–]Hank7113 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

I don't have any overt evidence, but you are right that we are at maximum social benefit to the ultra-wealthy. Bluepillers are obviously maintainers of the status quo re: the ultra-wealthy (or at least the ones smart enough to cozy up to government). Many redpillers work hard and spend hedonisticly to the wealthy's benefit. If MGTOW becomes increasingly attractive and more people deplug, I wouldn't be surprised to see a sudden change of tone of the establishment to keep the masses on the conomic treadmill. Hell, maybe the already have, hence the reason the manosphere is allowed to exist . . .

[–]workdavework13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy


What is this?

[–]this_guy20011 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Single people pay more taxes though and you get discounts on insurance if married.

[–]workdavework9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy


What is this?

[–]this_guy20013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree.

Anyway, I don't even know why I injected myself in this conversation as I feel the ultra rich have framed the system to where it doesn't matter whether the people are single or married, they're going to get theirs regardless.

[–]1Dev_on0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you're talking class warfare, not RP..

and TBH, they don't care about anything other than fracturing solidarity... the lower quintiles organizing is not an ideal situation.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can only once again recommend watching The Century of the Self - a documentary about how the Freud family helped to plant the seed of consumerism into people's mind in the last century.

Regarding the elites, my personal opinion is that actually nothing has changed since the french revolution, besides the fact that we have tap water now.

There is a very small group of people who are above anything and anybody else. They also view themselves as such. In the same way that kings, queens and emperors always believed themselves to having been gifted by God.

[–]ErenYeager913 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

You are absolutely right. TRP is dealing with the consequences, and not how we get here, and who is responsible for this. Media, hollywood? There is a lot to talk about this.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Media, hollywood? There is a lot to talk about this.

Not for me. I thrashed my TV more than seven years ago. No regrets.

[–]ErenYeager9111 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Me too. Why fill your'e brain with information that can only hurt you and make you be unfocused on what ever you want to achieve. I even try to ignore politics and news. If you look at news today, there are only reports that want to make you feel fear and to be scared.

And for the subject, Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

[–]SeekingAlpha3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And for the subject, Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

You sure it was Voltaire that said that? ;)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gay people and women it seems. Accept it or perish a social media death.

[–]Redpillc0re-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

couldn't you just donate it?

[–]Redpillc0re8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

Despite not being a consp. theorist, i tend to agree. The elites however , want the mass of men to be docile, not rebelious, agitated and unproductive. I wonder if the mgtow current is going to lead them to change the content of the cultural preaching.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy

consp. theorist

Well. I am. That term is used in the same way as are "misogynist", "hategroup" or "anti-semit" - to shame you, to shut you down in the very moment and to force you to establish the thought-police in your mind all by yourself. Though shalt not question the truth that you are told!

We are constantly told that words are harmful, while they surely aren't, and that particular thoughts are dangerous ("They poison your mind!").

The term "consipracy theory" on its own has been used in a neutral setting until the sixties, when people started to question the official version of JFK's asassination and the FBI chose a label for them.

To me personally it is just retarded to believe that just anything of true importance happening in this world isn't controlled. Just think about what you yourself would be willing to do to secure your power and then think about what DTs would do beyond.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–]through_a_ways18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

All of these terms are actually used semantically incorrectly. Nearly 100% of people who are labelled as "racist", "misogynist", "conspiracy theorist", "anti-semite", etc. actually objectively aren't.

For example, most people who are labelled anti-semitic don't actually hate Jews. Even the ones who do hate Jews aren't anti-semitic, they're anti-Jewish. Some of the strongest "anti-semites" are actually Semitic themselves. Furthermore, the Jews that are usually the targets of so called "anti-semitism" aren't very semitic, but mixes of Germanic/Slavic/Italic/Semitic.

Most people who are labelled racist aren't. They don't make claims about the absolute superiority of individuals of races in certain traits, but merely the relative average superiority. Example: to believe that every white person is smarter than every black person is by definition racist. But nobody with half a brain cell believes that. To believe that the vast majority of whites are smarter than the vast majority of blacks is not racist, but simply dictated by data. Likewise, if you prefer a certain look of people to date, hang out with, etc., it is not racist. It is simply a preference.

"Conspiracy theorist" implies that you're theorizing about something. Many of the things that the so-called "theorists" talk about are established facts, not theory (MK ultra, LSD experiment, tonkin, etc.)

And so on. Not only are these words used to shame, but their original meanings have been so twisted that most people don't even understand what they mean.

[–]Hatorader7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can I use the part about race on my site?

[–]through_a_ways4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure, go ahead. Link me if you end up doing it.

[–]1Dev_on0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

not really. Short of someone who would just mock your for anything, it's when people make that jump. Everything is reasonable, well documented etc... then all of a sudden, a conclusion that isn't bolstered by facts.

especially when it relies on the other party being some criminal mastermind.... people aren't lex luthor, they are just people, and more often than not aren't even one step ahead

[–]badnews6string1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is foolish to ignore that there are people with the desire and resources to pull off lex luthor type shit. Most humans are not capable of contemplating the levels of evil which can be achieved by a small number of wicked humans.

[–]1Dev_on1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And even fewer are capable of realizing that humans are capable of nothing, but massess of them will eventually lead to certain systems of organization. class being one of them.

All the willpower in the world won't work without massess of people acting in certain ways. a lot of the time you can't control that, you can just latch onto the ways in which you can benefit within them.

People are systems, not masters of the universe. I think thats the part that conspiracy theorists are missing. Well, that and the balance between capital and labour, though a system has completely crushed labour completely aroundthe 1970s

[–]Redpillc0re0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

for me, conspiracy theories dont have a bad connotation, in fact it's great to know that people see patterns behind seemingly innocent and random phenomena.

[–]BGE131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know who else sees patterns behind seemingly innocent and random phenomena? Schizophrenics. That doesn't mean a great number of conspiracy theories might not be true, but I think your view needs a bit more nuance...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is that a conspiracy theory? They seem to say it rather blatantly.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

If a man cannot be controlled by sex, women are powerless.

The root of most lessons on TRP

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good post. I want to add one more big one though: Power.

Men pursue power to have access to sex. Women pursue sex to have access to power. It's the mystery of women's sexuality that allows them to do this. If men don't know how women work, they just need to try all sorts of shit from power, to respect, to feminism, and so on. However, if we know how they work then we know how to get sex and we cannot be controlled.

Historically, sex has given women the power to pass constitutional amendments without even getting the vote, start wars, be rescued and protected from all danger, exempt from responsibility, etc. They could do this because they have a trump card. But now, what happens if men figure them out and women lose that trump card?

[–]EightyTimes34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

You hit the nail on the head with inferior (non-natural) alpha sperm = rape.

I was on a sub of a TV show where a man lied about his identity to get willing sex from a woman. He didn't get a face change, he just said "I'm -celebrity-". There was an OUTCRY from women about how this was "Rape".

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (15 children) | Copy

I think the simplest explanation is that women love need male attention; time spent in male spaces is time that isn't spent on them.

Women feel the need to invade male spaces from gentlemans clubs to geek culture, and proclaim their 'right' to be included. Women so desperately want to be a part of great male-only circles and establishments, but when they scream and cry loud enough that they are begrudgingly let in, they ruin what made those things so great in the first place.

More male spaces means less time with women, therefore lower demand for women, and therefore less overall pedestalization. -/u/gekkozorz

Male spaces threaten the social paradigm of men pedestalising women; devoting time, attention, resources and energy to make them happy and the centre of male attention and desire.

How often have you heard some bullshit like "You have to please her, make her happy, give her your time, court her." Time spent with the boys is time spend not pandering to a woman's emotional needs, and they hate that.

A male space is also a place where men talk and share experience without being moderated by women (by them being there and/or guilt/shaming/moaning at "insensitive" stuff ). That type of environment (the hunting party) is like rehab from the female imperative. Spend 3 months working an oil field somewhere see how much you give a fuck about women and their bullshit. You'll lose patience for their lengthy and redundant speech patterns, their thin skin and delicate sensibilities. Their flaky, childish behavior won't be "cute" anymore, it'll be annoying. It will make you weight in if it's really worth it keeping one around for anything else than sex. - A since [deleted] TRP user

[–]yougotshitonyourass26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right to the point.

Women feel the need to invade male spaces from gentlemen clubs to geek culture, and proclaim their 'right' to be included.

Translate to not being excluded

[...] Social exclusion is woman’s primordial fear. More than anything else, a woman fears being cast out of the tribe.

Excellent Article on the subject

So when a woman infiltrates a male space and demands that the space conform to her, she is only following her biological imperative to A. Situate herself in a prosperous male tribe, and B. Prioritize her own safety, comfort, and well-being at the expense of the other members of that tribe.


[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just added that article to my post as recommended reading. It goes hand in hand with what I said.

[–]cariboo_j21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women generally didn't give a shit about video game culture until it went mainstream and started making huge profits.

Then all of a sudden it went from "a bunch of sweaty nerds in their mothers basement" to inclusion! diversity! Let us in! Also stop drawing female characters with big boobs! That's sexism dontcha know.

Men built the video game industry from scratch. With close to zero help from women. It was built by men most women laughed at and would not give the time of day. Now they are barging in and walking all over the betas.

It's BB exploitation at it's finest. Actually hilarious parallels with AF/BB.

1) The video game industry was built by men in the 1980's and 90's who worked hard for little fame or glamour (BB provider going to college and working hard through his 20's). No attention from women.

2) Video game industry blows up in the late 2000's and 2010's (BB starts making serious money in his 30's). All of a sudden women want a piece of that action.

3) Women demand to be included but don't actually contribute much. Very few female programmers do the difficult work of writing code for video games. Instead they are PR representatives and on storyboards demanding ugly, fat women characters be included in video games and protesting video game conventions for paying female cosplayers to walk around in skimpy outfits because how dare nerdy betas objectify women. (CC riders lock down BB, extract maximum resources while providing minimum sex.)

[–]SplashArtist9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude, funny little example here from my childhood everyone may enjoy. When I was really young me and my cousin (male) would always make up games and act them out. Like warriors or dragonball z characters. We would make up storylines and fight and what not. He had sisters and they ALWAYS wanted to join in and play even though we didn't want them to because they didn't know shit about dragonballz or warriors or whatever the fuck we played. Of course they would whine and whine or tell on us if we didn't include them so we would. They would then make up the most random shit and try to change the game and turn it into something else so we would just stop playing. They wanted to have unlimited power and all this shit and it was annoying as hell so we just said fuck it and would stop. They didn't care that we stopped though, they just wanted in because we were doing it so they had to as well. Funny that I remember this I'm usually bad at remembering childhood events haha.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I noticed this during my childhood, too. Typically, women lack imagination (why do you think that males exceeded in invention?), and always seek to usurp any male activity (esp male dominated spaces).

[–]morphite650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great example since it's easier to see/point out when children do it. As adults, we're all just bigger kids with the same impulses.

[–]foldpak1116 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with the unknown poster. After MCRD, my tolerance for a woman's bullshit was zero. Like, I remember as soon as a woman starting belittling me or acting up, I just went 'op, bye'

[–]systemshock8692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How often have you heard some bullshit like "You have to please her, make her happy, give her your time, court her." Time spent with the boys is time spend not pandering to a woman's emotional needs, and they hate that.

My ex wife hated video games with a passion. Immature and a waste of time. I decided to play less games and fill my time working on a jet ski project I had been putting off (and had been getting nagged about). It was funny to watch the hamster start to hate the jet ski and continue to pin me with her unhappiness, without the 'immature' and 'waste of time' arguments. Especially since it was a 180 to the whole 'you never work on the jet ski' nag. Hamsters gonna hamst.

[–]Redpillc0re1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I disagree. The reason is that women dont have 'female spaces'. Women socialize in 1-1 situations. They are unable to form networks of shallow relationships and thus join a male club responsibly. However , like children, they do want the benefits of the membershp without any contribution. Military,sports, science are 3 male clubs that have benefited very little from including women in the past 50 years.

Lastly, women did not actively destroy male spaces. Men convinced themselves to allow women in, miscalculating the consequences.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree. Women do have female spaces often where men are not allowed to go. They socialise in more than 1:1 situations. Men have been pressurized into letting women into their group in most cases.

[–]morphite651 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

women dont have 'female spaces'

I disagree - they form knitting groups as they get older, go to the bathroom in groups, go out on "ladies nights," etc. They are very comfortable in packs.

[–]FoolishWiseGuy31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

'The beta bux is her retirement plan' funny way of putting it. Great post OP

[–]kmillz116 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very good read. My 2 big takeaways:

  1. My wife is at her SMV peak right now while mine hits in 11 years.
  2. There is no reason to ever share anything from TRP with a woman.

[–]prodigalson1216 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

The foundation of women's invasive stance towards male spaces is based upon projection which is induced by the psychological laziness of women at large.

Women believe that when there is a group of men absent of any feminine influence, said group maliciously conspires against women. They believe that it starts with talking about women in ways that dehumanize them, clearing the moral pathway towards planned attempts at passive agressive, underhanded exploitation.

Why do they believe this? Because this is what they do.

If you have ever heard women's conversations when they thought no man could hear them, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[–]drallcom3 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy

I don't believe women think that far. Male spaces are simply where the cool, successful stuff happens and women want to be a part of it or destroy it. Very much the same as the wife who identifies through her husband, because she has nothing going on for herself. Or like a child, who isn't allowed to play with the cool kids and runs off to the kindergardener telling lies with teary eyes.

Entitlement at it's best.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

The book Men on Strike by Helen Smith has an entire chapter about the decline of the male space. In past generations, many cities had clubs and restaurants that were male-only. Then in 1987 the Supreme Court ruled that cities could ban sex discrimination by business-oriented private clubs. One example of a place that was forced to open its doors to women was the New York Athletic Club (established in 1868), which houses bars, dining rooms, an indoor pool, and a large gym.

In the book, Helen Smith posits that feminists oppose male spaces because they want to keep men isolated from each other. Because if men have places where they can speak without women present it might result in them banding together politically. This is also why feminists hate the Manosphere; men are starting to organize and call out the bullshit of modern feminism.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy

women did not always have the control over men that they enjoy today, it will be fleeting. this is a great post and explains why married women dont want their husbands having single friends. dont want any betas having funny independent ideas now do we

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner29 points30 points  (6 children) | Copy

Can confirm. I'm a single guy who is open and unapologetic about my desire to remain single. The wives of my married friends view me as a bad influence and don't like them hanging out with me.

[–]Jabroni1234517 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Same here. I see the married friend incredibly infrequently.m usually only when it's a pretty 'big thing' for our group of close friends: we have a big day-after-Thanksgiving-Day party, ugly sweater Xmas party, 4th of July BBQ, etc....and even then, they'll only stop by for 2-3hrs, instead of raging it all day/night like we've done for 8+ years.

One of my good friends, since we were 10 (30 now) is a guy I rarely see...which blows. His wife, (previously married & divorced), keeps him on near lockdown. This guy could (and did) fuck anything. He's one of those top 1% type guys who have women propositioning him everywhere he goes. He's 6'4", fitness model-type physique, dark hair, full beard, etc. The wife was really, really hot...she's still attractive, but she's not as hot as she was at 22 (shocker). Anyway, they had a kid, she gained a little bit of weight (nothing bad) but enough to make her realize that she's not getting more attractive and that her easy-breezy, doors-opened life she's had since she was 15 as "the hot girl" isn't bc of her character/intelligence/etc. It was due to her looks. So.....SHOCKER.....she suddenly had an interest in feminism. She writes and posts dumb shit on her FB, etc. she obviously didn't have a problem with 'objectification' when it benefitted her every move, but now that she thinks she's lost a lot of her looks (she's still hot and attractive...but nearing 29-30 and not as astronomically smoking as she was), she writes 3000 word essays on male gaze, women as objects, yada, yada. She doesn't want her husband, who could slay any tang within a 50 mile radius of him, to hang with myself and the other friends who she can't put 'into a category'. Hmm I'll probably make a post about this.

The wives of my friends, who I generally like and consider friends, are always pulling me aside to 'get info' on the girls I bring to these parties....I can see it throw them for a loop when I bring girl A to T-Day party, they hear about me with girl B, and then see me with girl C at Xmas party. Again, it's not good or just is. They'll ask me about this girl or that girl, and ask if I'm thinking of LTR/marriage, etc. They don't like that there is a friend of theirs and their husbands who they can't quite figure out, or 'put in a category' like "in relationship", "in serious relationship", "engaged", "married".

And I fuck with them for the hell of it. But like in all matters, even with wives of friends, I don't give them my story/what I'm doing/my plans. It's hilarious to see the confused, probing looks on their faces when they've heard about this girl or that girl I'm with from other people, but not from me. They don't like it at all.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can still recall the moment I decided I wanted to stay single. I was walking through the supermarket with a buddy of mine who is in a LTR and very pussy-whipped. We were there to get hamburger for a BBQ. We happened to walk past a HB9 and her two kids. Once she was out of earshot I leaned over to my friend and whispered "MILF." My buddy smugly said "I don't notice things like that anymore."

I thought to myself "My god, I can actually hear his balls shrinking." At that point I vowed never to become like that, even if it meant staying single for the rest of my days.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tragic. His wife is probably sticking oestrogen in his morning coffee...

[–]badnews6string2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

On the flip side, all the married women try to get me saddled up with their single friends. When I inform them that I am completely satisfied with how I live, and have no intention of anything but fwb, they do their best to convince me how wrong I am, how sad I really am. I laugh playfully, AA, then I can smell their hot coochies getting wetter.... They don't get a ride, they have their bb and they will have to live with it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTheRedPilsner3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There have been a few times in the past when I've told the wives/girlfriends of the guys I know that I'm quite happy being single, and they've replied by telling me that someday I'll change my mind. I reply with a little sarcasm... "Yeah, but until that day comes I guess I'll just have to keep on doing everything I want, all the time."

[–]foldpak1113 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's like phife dawg said, rap is in a bad place, it will come back around soon. At the rate men are waking up to the truth, i'd imagine in a couple decades, if this keeps up, men will publicly be shamed for having blue pill views.

[–]ogCOLE12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just want to say, I'm glad I found this sub.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

There is also the fact that women want to be the only woman in a group of men. That way there is no competition and no shortage of providers. They are hard wired to seek out that situation.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Beware of girls with only guy friends.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Would you mind expounding on that briefly?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

First off, men and women cannot be friends because there's a sexual dynamic present. At least not in the sense a male uses the word.

Her response to why she only hangs out with men is usually, "there's less drama". This is crap. Women need drama to create emotional stimulation. When a woman has only male 'friends' , it often means her promiscuity was too much for female circles, she was seen as competition that inflated the value of pussy and threatened the stability of the LTR's of the other members. When she migrates to a male only circle, it means she wants to be the center of male attention and be provided special priveledge and treatment that comes with male supplication.

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah when that happens I leave the group behind. If a woman wants 2 guys, she can have the other one.

I am an independent cat not a loyal dog.

[–]batfish5523 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy

I dunno man. A lot of this implies that women have a thought out, pre-planned, introspective outlook on their sexual strategy. I don't think there's any grand conspiracy at work in the individual woman's sex life. I think her plans are as simple as "Am I showing enough skin, but not too much?" And, "Is this a guy I'm going to consider fucking, or just some guy I'm going to 'let me figure out if I like him' while he buys me shit?" I've spent a lot of time in my own head, trying to figure myself out. What do I really want? Why do I want that? Where do I want to go? What are my motivations? blahblahblah. I have yet to have a meaningful philosophical conversation with a woman, much less find one that really has a good idea why she wants what she wants. Without exception, it's like they're all just leaves floating on the wind, going wherever the breeze pushes them. (Frankly, like a lot of men, too. But that's another post.)

I highly doubt "women have always hated male spaces." Back in the days pre-2nd wave feminism, I don't really think there was a lot of gossip about what the men were doing in their males-only workspaces. I don't think that really started until after (during?) 2nd wave feminism, but I'll certainly agree that it's prevalent now in our Equalty Now! era. But that may just have to do with getting some of whatever special goods The Patriarchy is giving to all men behind closed doors. (BTW, if that's the case, Patriarchy, you must have lost my address, I haven't been getting the newsletter).

I will agree that women do tend to hate the Manosphere and associated information, online and off, but not for the reasons you state.

Women, whether or not they admit it, have a pretty good advantage over men in the plugged-in dating game. Everybody knows we neeeed dat pussy. And there's this fantastic press kit out there that women don't need no man, so it's pretty obvious that men have to cow-tow to women's bullshit in order to even get a whiff of strange.

Women don't like pro-man information because it turns the tables on that notion. It begins to weaken the argument. It begins to give a sexual and social advantage to men in The Battle Of The Sexes. That's your conspiracy, and it's not even that deep.

[–]rob_bass10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree. They know not what they do. I think the main reason women invade male spaces is because of their unconscious need for attention. For example, it's my theory that women had little to no interest in gaming until the explosion of online gaming. It allows them to get validation and attention from men all over the world. Add in the use of web cams and online streaming and it's like an attention buffet for women. Take all you want but eat all you take.

Just last night I was checking out some of the streams on play station live. It was disturbing to find plenty of streams of women sitting on couches or dancing provocatively. Most of the time wearing skimpy clothes or at the very least having cleavage out. All they do is sit there and read the comments from viewers.

Last night in particular, there was a pregnant woman streaming who kept taking her tits out against her husband's will when he'd leave the room. It was disheartening to hear him plead with her to stop flashing her tits. Needless to say, her stream almost had 5k viewers.

TDLR- male spaces equals potential attention for women

[–]gjarreau2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow. Didn't know the trend was that big and thinking about her poor jealous

[–]newls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep when there is a space with lots of men and few women show up, there is a steep female attention gradient. A lot of attention focused on several women.

[–]batfish550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely a strong factor.....

[–]HAMMURABl21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy

great post.

theredpill is the pinnacle of a male space, as any attempt to gradually introduce a fem-centric point of view is immediately shut down. women have invaded previously male spaces and they are already bowing down to the female imperative (women in military, pink ribbons in NFL).

This is why TRP is so frustrating to see for women. Women know that nothing but the truth is spoken here, but they are not interested in the truth. Women crave social cohesion and security more than anything else, and TRP is actively shattering the pillars of their current beta bux retirement plans.

[–]foldpak11112 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

I wonder if when women state that they are strong and independent, they actually know what independent means, by definition. By securing BB you are weak and dependent. Then again, they were leaching off of alpha males in their prime anyways, so they never were in the first place.

Man I love TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They're strong and independent. Fat is curvy. All women are beautiful. All examples of women not knowing what they're talking about. There is a reason the world's smartest folk have always been men. You often need to know what you're talking about.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Forget the NFL, there are entirely pink outfits in some sports to raise awareness about problems affecting women.

[–]Redpillc0re18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy

It's why Germany outlawed private paternity tests without permission from both partners to prevent “the abuse of private personal data” and France completely outlawed private paternity tests

That's very alarming IMHO. Isn't that a direct admission that women as a whole are liars? If i were a woman i would find that offensive.

Just wondering if men in germany / france could bypass the laws by, for example doing the 23andme test (you and your child's saliva). I hope they are already breaking that law btw.

[–]Grimalkine20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tell her you have an inheritable disease and see if she runs child in arm to the doctors ...

[–]newls4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great tip. Plausible deniability too if you merely suspect an inheritable disease.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

My best guess is France doesn't want another French Revolution.

[–]surgeon_general7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe the reasons for a government to be anti-paternity tests are much simpler than OP's thoughts.

There has been a surge in hookups, unplanned pregnancies, children born out of wedlock, and the number of single mothers. A lot of these mothers wind up needing assistance from local and federal government. In order to combat this, governments want somebody, anybody, to pay for these women's children. They couldn't care less about the individual man who is not actually the father. I really think it's that simple.

[–]MagicGainbow5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

In France all it requires is a quick trip over the border.

[–]Nantafiria4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's really easy for anyone who needs to know that badly to just go to Holland/Belgium/Poland and conduct the test anyway.

[–]gjarreau0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well I hope they're breaking the law too but it seems like they probably would've written into the law that you can't use those private test in a court so it's kind of moot

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In the U.S., private paternity testing isn't illegal, but it's not admissible in court. I fail to see the difference.

[–]Subtletorious8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nitpick: theories don't become laws. Theories always remain theories. Theories can even trump "laws" eg Einstein v Newton

[–]ConcealingFate9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

My main problem with women in video games is the betas enabling this behavior. How many times I've seen men pedestalizing women who play video games as if they were the fucking Holy Grail itself is outstanding.

[–]Endorsed ContributoriBrokeRSA7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

To expand on point three:

Once you realize that sexual strategy is a zero sum game, a lot more things start to make sense. Someone has to experience a net loss.

Even a ONS where the girl gets pleasure is still a net loss for her, as she damages her chances for long-term happiness due to a loss in ability to pair bond and be satisfied with a man equal to her. Barring huge SMV differences, the girl is losing more in the end.

Conversely, men lose more in LTR/Marriage, barring huge SMV differences. A woman has lots to gain in a LTR.

An extreme (unicorn) version of this: you have no reason to commit to a woman unless she's a 10, filthy rich and doggedly loyal.

[–]1cover207 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

The real problem on this sub is the subversives and white knights trying to muddy the message, get men to "man up", get men to compete against each other, and all sorts of wrong things.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

~ "When you're told to man up, you should man down" - /u/GayLubeOil

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Another aspect of this phenomenon is that millenial women are raised under the YouGoGurl women can do what men do ideology.

When a woman enters an unadulterated male space she has is exposed to raw male competition. Maybe its weight lifting, chess or deep political discourse.

She quickly realizes that she cant compete at least not without a lot of work. So she resorts to hey guys im a gurl. Like I know I dont know about the topic, but im a girl here's my girlpinion. Guys guys look! Im a girl!

If the men tell her tits or gtfo, or just ignore her she starts resenting the space because she feels her inferiority.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

This Bill Burr clip immediately came to mind. About how women have to take over everything geared toward males instead of just doing their own thing. clip

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

The clip is great. And Bill raises another excellent point on the issue. Quote:

"Why don't you guys [women] band together and start your own league, get your own thing going? But I realised they don't want their own thing; they don't want their own shit, they want our shit. I don't know what is. I think it's because we're happy. We're just sitting there enjoying ourselves, having a good time without them - it drives them nuts.

He's quite right. Take gaming as one example. In general, guys play the big, money-making titles on Xbox and Playstation and women play the piddly games like Farmville and Candy Crush. There's absolutely nothing stopping women from creating a female space within that section of the gaming world that they dominate, but instead they'd rather push into ours and throw a tantrum about games they don't even fucking play like Hitman and GTA.

It's a similar story in sport too, albeit in the USA more than elsewhere. Most sports have separate male and female leagues (for obvious reasons) or otherwise there are some sports typically played by males and others by females, e.g. football vs netball. Why do women feel the need to invade the male sports or the male leagues to push their own agenda? In fact, what right do they think they have to barge their way into a sport which they don't even like and which they contribute nothing to - they don't play the game, they don't watch it, they don't support it by buying tickets and merchandise.

And to add insult to injury, the issue they want to push is breast cancer awareness! Are you fucking kidding me?! According to Cancer Research UK, breast cancer has the 3rd best survival rate of all cancers and yet it receives the highest proportion of overall research funding - nearly 20% as of 2010. Breast cancer literally has its own fucking colour and, in the UK at least, we have fundraising races specifically for breast cancer which are WOMEN ONLY. I'm not fucking joking: Race for Life, look it up. All for an admittedly horrific disease but which affects predominantly women. If only there were a shitload of other types of cancer we could be spending money on that affect both genders more equally...

[–]DrXaos4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

There are many breast cancers charities exactly because it is frightening snd still so survivable. There are many activists ready made and people to spread the story.

Families of the recently departed who died rapidly of brain and pancreatic cancers, exceptionally grim diseases, don't want to think about it.

[–]epixs10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

The elite understand this concept very well. I work in a very affluent area and there is a country club that is men only as well as invite only. The buy in is $300K and that's only if you get sponsered by an existing male member.

There have been multiple attempts by the newspaper/local news to make this space seem corrupt and evil, when all it really is a space for elite men to golf and hang out without the annoyance of the women.

Trust me, those in power realize how important male only spaces are.

[–]denmaur6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my city, there were private men's clubs until about 30 years ago when women starting whining about it and sued. So even though these were private clubs with dues paying members, the courts force them to allow women in. Some of the clubs originated in the mid-1800's and owned the building where they were located.

It reminded me of when I was growing up and the girls cried to their mom because the boys wouldn't let the girls play with them. The girls weren't interested in what we were doing, they just didn't want to be excluded.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Having to spend $300k just to have some bro time, fuckin' ridiculous.

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's the cost of doing business, this is a networking opportunity, this is not just a boys only club, it's the price of admission.

[–]CbrWombat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For some people, that isn't a lot of money. Most people don't understand how incredibly rich the rich really are.

[–]Isaiah4verse11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That explains the Bohemian Grove.

[–]animalpoo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wish I could work for ten years, fuck as many women as possible and retire at 30. It's a good deal, all expenses paid and you get a couple of paid for holidays too.

[–]johngalt12345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

''At no time should her provider wander and spend too much time in a male space, especially those containing ‘alphas’. It would be like allowing illiterate slaves access to books and people that can read. Eventually, the slave may come to the conclusion that he has been lied to and believe he can exist outside the boundaries set by his master; that in fact, it is his master that needs him. He's in a prison of his own making.''

The only male-space he may be allowed in is a male-space full of men who are bereft of masculinity and think like women.

I am aware of certain churchians that give off the thinking and acting like women vibe in certain religious circles.

[–]busyalterego13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Excellent, sidebar-worthy post. The great thing about this writing style, which you see a lot at RoK too, is how you explicitly state what's happening. A lot of people may have already understood what you were saying at a gut/intuitive level, but you've given your thoughts crystal clarity and left very little room for misinterpretation. Which is great because by spelling it out like this, everyone, even the "betas," can understand exactly how these sneaky whores prey upon them.

Many will read this post and finally escape the plantation.

(Also, is Mad Men that RP of a show? Because holy fuck, I might need to start watching it.)

[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've heard a few women saying they don't like how hot they find the main characters, since by today's standards their behaviour would probably drop an HR nuke.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

New-ish here, sorry if this is a stupid question.

What's RoK?

[–]busyalterego0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Return of Kings. Read 100 articles from there, including comments, over the next month and you will obtain a new level of clarity.

[–]the_red_scimitar11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Generally good, but there's some subtle, but crucial, RP things I don't think you have right. This is the one that stands out:

the female sexual strategy, Alpha Fucks-Beta Bucks (AF/BB) [the foundation of this article], a subconscious process where the female divides men into two categories

There is nothing "subconscious" about this. I seem to be a person women tell their secrets to, even on a first date. I've had women tell me "I've never not cheated in any relationship I've been in... oh, I've never told anyone that!". And that's one of several examples.

The point: I've had 3 women articulate, in not more words than you used, the dualistic sexual strategy. They are not only fully aware of it, but they also are aware that they USE men with it. I've been told how "I can get guys I'd never fuck to do stuff for me", for example.

So while it's a subtle distinction, it's very important not to get the idea there is an excuse for the behavior. There isn't. It's their behavior, and as RP men, we know how to manage it. It's a part of the feminist narrative, strangely enough, that women aren't responsible for their actions (because the Patriarchy™). Let's not allow it to creep into RP.

The other main one was in the RB1 quote:

They don’t hate us [manospherians] for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us.

I'm sorry, but I've found they LOVE their lack of power over us - when you really aren't in their thrall. The fact you don't give an attractive woman any leeway for a pussy pass challenges many of them. Yes, the feminazis and those who would have a difficult time pulling in a real alpha are livid over these men, but while their rhetoric is claimed by many women, the actuality for most of them is different.

Right now I have two plates doing gardening and volunteering to clean my bathrooms, kitchen, etc. Yesterday they were even both here at the same time, briefly. Both of them spout staunch feminist rhetoric. Neither of them can gain any ownership foothold in me, so they compete. I'm the prize. Feminists, beta men, and wanna be alphas hate that fact, but if you don't make yourself into a prize, then you'll never know just how much women WANT to secede power to an alpha man.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've found they LOVE their lack of power over us

Lack of power over 'alphas', is what they love. If they deem you as 'beta', you're a tool that's she's entitled to use you at your expense and should never question it.

[–]the_red_scimitar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The quote I was responding to, and included, was very clear about it being "manospherians". I'd hope we know that implies at least people working to be more alpha.

[–]ZackCross5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post.
Really need to find more methods of creating manspaces where women can't infiltrate.

[–]mykonos_rm4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gentleman, this is why male spaces are dangerous. A woman does not ever want the alpha-fux and the beta-bux to meet and greet. With enough time, the the alphas are likely to influence the betas, and wake them up from their blue pill conditioning; this is unacceptable. The betabux is her retirement plan.

This is one of the enlightening statements that pieces together so many puzzles. Great analysis. Makes sense why my friend's girlfriends HATE it they join me for happy hour and we talk the shit.

[–]-Quotidian3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy fuck god, that was beautiful. That was fantastically written, you provided links to valuable expository resources, and at no point was your message unclear. To those familiar with Red discourse, this was a work of art.

The powerlessness of an unconvincing woman is a terrible thing, almost like being crippled would be for a man. But a cornered animal is often at its most dangerous.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow the end of that clip the women says, (after a long pause), "I didn't realize it until just now... But being a man must be hard too." She just got a red pill crammed down her throat and you can see how unsettled she is.

[–]JetteAuLoinTRP4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

France completely outlawed private paternity tests[10] to “preserve the peace of French families”.

Little precision here : it is not illegal to do a paternity test in France. You do whatever you what. What is, is you can't use it in a courtroom without having the authorization of your partner. Doesn't change much, though. bUt hey, you can still go to belglium have your kid tested, so...

Very good read.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What you said...

it is not illegal to do a paternity test in France. You do whatever you what. What is, is you can't use it in a courtroom without having the authorization of your partner.

What the source says...

If those samples [paternity tests] were found in the post by officials on their way to foreign laboratories, the French men who sent them could theoretically face a year in prison and a 15,000 Euro fine. This year the ban was challenged but the French Government decided to uphold and maintain the anti-paternity testing law.

How can an action be fined and legal at the same time? It's not like you can illegally submit evidence into court. Unless you're a judge.

[–]foldpak1114 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The best thing I've read on TRP. I actively create male spaces and the amount of hate is hilarious once you understand the evolutionary psychology behind it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup they hate these things because they want to monopolize pleasure where men are shackled to the point where fucking shamu is the closest thing we get to pleasure. That is why they hate male space while rationalizing female spaces because men are somehow the oppressors.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, I used to think that invasion of male spaces was merely nothing more than a tactic that undesirable women use to try to have access to a greater pool of potential mates, much like typical feminism, and well, to be honest, damn near all political philosophies. However, what you pointed out is an even better explanation, yet at the end of the day, it's still just a mating strategy. Good write-up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

great post thank you. very interesting

[–]amreeki4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

what the fuck did I just find?

[–]Lakey911 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

The whole Giordano Bruno thing is /r/badhistory gold. You'd think TRP would be pretty immune from progressive propaganda but there it is.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I got it from the show, Cosmos. Seems like a legit source of information.

[–]strategosInfinitum3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I imagine Sagan and Tyson would be quite disgusted by this post

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lol. They may hate my work, but I love theirs.

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed this is the best way. Deconstruct "their" arguments, extract the facts, and rearrange things in a way that really makes sense.

Yup, they'd probably hate that. They more they hate, the more it's a sign of success.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

facts females wish to keep on the DL

Little did I know women hold the secret to a big deadlift..

Anyway, great post man.

[–]real-boethius3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I though this was going to be one of those posts where a newbie regurgitates what he just read.

But this is good.

[–]real-boethius18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

They say in the middle east it works like this

me against my brother

me and my brother against our parents

my family against your family

my village against your village

my region against your region

my religion / country against yours.

One could paraphrase female solidarity like this

me against my female rival

all women against men

[–]Robdogx90011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not big into complexity. Women don't like them because women thrive on and demand attention. Anything that draws attention away from a women is viewed as a threat. My dog training friend says that a dog would rather have negative then no attention(desire for drama.) the difference is that when she has your attention she no longer feels she needs it. Guess that would be the dog chasing a car.

[–]johngalt12343 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

'' “Every woman is a whore, except my mother. But let us not forget that she is a woman, too.” – Napoleon Bonaparte.''

The only difference between a whore and a wife and mother is who she is being a whore for.

Either to multiple strange men or a single man for life in marriage.

[–]Gaifox0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The real problem is that women have been brainwashed by media and society to believe that they are people, like men. Women are selfish, greedy, juvenile, emotional shells of humanity. When they are given everything that they want they feel entitled and spoiled. Spaces for men are not FOR them, therefor they are threatened by it. When little girls are told their mother is going to have another baby, they often freak out and cry. This is because they are inherently selfish. The new baby will take away some attention, yes, but to the child the new baby will take away everything that they are entitled to simply by breathing. If women understood that they are inherently inferior to men, simply scientifically, if they actually taught the truth and not the liberal hivemind way of thinking, men would be able to have their own spaces and women would benefit too. Women are happy when men are happy. They cannot survive without us.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

"They cannot survive without us"

You hit the nail on the head. They think they can, but they cant. However, I think men can survive without women. We just dont need them for anything except sex.

[–]Hatorader-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hate that sometimes in this sub the AF's and BB's are pitted against each other when we should all be helping each other. If you're an AF and you're laughing at some BB because he wife's up the skank that you and your buddy gang-banged a few years back that makes you a fucking dick. BB's and AF'd both have something to offer the other.

[–]RealRational-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If a man cannot be controlled by sex, women are powerless.

I agree that is their thought process, but tell me if you agree with this.

In reality, women have always had all the power over us they'll ever need, the ability to bring pleasure to life. The natural way females should influence us is with incentives. By trying to control men they will ultimately lose men. You can see this today in society, marriage rates, birth rates, single women with cats and wine in their 20's 30's 40's etc...

Men provide for life itself, for progress, for innovation. Women make it fun, enjoyable. At least they can. They can provide a home, they can give you comfort after the hardships of the day. They can give you an escape from the harsh realities of the world. That's the position they have the most power in.

But they saw men using direct control to influence the world, to exert their will on it. So they figured they could do the same, and to them, men are the world. What they failed to realize is they were already exerting their will on the universe, if it were left up to men we'd never have progressed society past the point of guaranteed sex/food/shelter.

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[–]LadyLumen-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think your giving people too much credit. No one thinks this shit out. The reason why many women hate male only spaces is because they want attention, and such a space denies them attention. End of story.

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