How to pull yourself out of depression

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May 26, 2016
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I have suffered from depression and I pulled myself out of it so I wanted to write something to help others. I was very reluctant to write this, however, because I know that everybody is different and my “advice” may mean nothing to you. So please take everything with a grain of salt.

This is a work in progress so please let me know your thoughts and how to improve it. It’s probably my most ambitious work so it needs a lot of help.

Step One: Understand What Depression Is

The first step in battling depression is understanding what depression is. Depression is fundamentally a chemical imbalance in your brain. Your brain releases chemicals that make you feel good (dopamine, serotonin, etc...) and chemicals that make you feel bad. Depression is simply when you have too much of the bad chemicals.

Why do some people have too much of the bad chemical? Science does not know for sure. Some severely depressed people believe that the chemical imbalance is solely caused by genetics or other things they can’t control. That might be true to an extent, but I believe that at least part of your depression is caused by things you have control over: your thoughts and your actions. Even though depression is fundamentally a chemical imbalance, we can do things to change the chemicals in our brain. In this article I will focus on things that you can change – there is no use of fretting over things you can’t change.

Here is my slightly scientific guess of what causes depression:

Depression, like all emotions in human beings, has an evolutionary reason. Humans evolved to feel good when we do something good (i.e., ate healthy food, or make love to a beautiful woman) and to feel bad when we fuck up so that we don’t fuck up again. When something bad happens and we become depressed, our emotions dry up and we ruminate because we are programmed to put everything to the side and just think to figure out what we did wrong. Scientists have identified different types of depression for different types of fucking up –rejection depression happens when somebody we care about rejects us (i.e., a break up): we lose our appetite and can’t sleep because we literally think we are in the woods alone. There is also a type of depression where we feel useless to society so we just want to die – evolutionary, it makes sense for the useless members of the tribe to just die.

Depression is so destructive in human beings because those evolutionary emotions don’t correspond to reality and therefore don’t help us in the real, modern world. Usually they hurt us. For example, we may FEEL like we “fucked up” when we really haven’t or feel like we are useless when we are not. Our parents, friends or teachers may make us think that we “fucked up” if we didn’t get a job that pays $100,000 a year. In reality that’s dumb - you can be perfectly happy without $100,000 a year, but if you’re convinced you fucked up then the depression emotions kick in. The reason depression is sometimes called a “chemical imbalance” is because we have too much of the bad chemical even though nothing bad actually happened.

Rumination also doesn’t help if we don’t have all of the necessary information. If your girlfriend dumps you, you may ruminate endlessly to figure out why (BTW, this is why guys want “closure” so much – who gives a shit about closure when the relationship is over?). But rumination is useless because you can’t read her mind so you will never really know why she dumped you. Maybe she was cheating on you and you never did anything wrong. Maybe she never liked you in the first place. Maybe she’s just crazy. Even if you did figure it out, that rumination is useless because you need to move on anyway. Ruminating on something without adequate information is like a hamster running on a wheel – you will never get anywhere.

The real danger of depression is confabulation. Confabulation is when our emotions hijack our rational thought processes, so we THINK we are being rational but we are really just justifying our emotions. A recovering alcoholic will come up with a brilliant argument to justify why he should have JUST ONE DRINK. He may think he is being rational and logical, but really he is just being tricked by his emotions that want alcohol.

Depression confabulates negative thoughts in our head. If you get dumped, you may think to yourself “I will never find somebody else again.” Of course, that’s totally irrational – you can definitely find somebody else again. That thought is your depression hijacking your mind.

Here is why depression is super fucked up: let’s say you are depressed for 5 years. In that 5 years you will think a lot – but many times when you have a thought your depression will hijack your rational brain and make you think something negative rather than the rational thing. After hundreds of thousands of thought cycles, your brain will be now filled with negative thoughts about how much you fucked up and will never succeed and those negative, terrible thoughts will be reinforced and backed up with negative emotions. Those negative thoughts and emotions will then lead to more negative thoughts and emotions and you will form whole belief patterns and ideologies based on those negative thought processes, and those negative patterns will entrench themselves deeply into your neural networks and habits. A lot of times when you meet really unsuccessful people or people from the ghetto you will see that they have deeply entrenched negative belief systems.

That is why depression is such a miserable pit for people to climb out of – they are literally buried under piles and piles of negative emotions and limiting beliefs. That’s why it takes a lot of time and work to pull yourself out of depression and clear away those emotions and thoughts. To make matters worse, those negative emotions make us feel “comfortable” and even though they are harmful to us, we feel even worse when we try to be confident or ambitious.

Worse yet, humans beings are designed to be excellent at focusing. That’s why we have had so many great artists and scientists throughout human history – we have a tendency to get obsessed with something and block out the rest of the world. However, when that thing is bad, we may lose sight of the bigger picture and just focus on the one bad thing that happened. People that are depressed often get obsessed with their failures and forget about all the good things in their life and the positive possibilities.

Step Two: Change Your Thinking

I believe that to defeat depression, one must look at the world in a fundamentally new way. Our beliefs about reality, the meaning of life, and our future are crucial in determining how happy we are.

Assume all unknown information is positive

You have 3 types of information in your brain: good things that are going on in your life, bad things that are going on in your life, and things that you are still uncertain of because you don’t have enough information. If a good thing happens to you, you feel good because of evolution. If a bad thing happens to you (i.e., you get fired from your job), you feel bad because of evolution. However, evolution never figured out how to handle uncertainty – how do you feel when you don’t have enough information to figure out whether it is bad or good? Well, a depressed person just defaults to negative. If they don’t something, they just assume it’s bad.

This is incredibly harmful because 99% of the information that is relevant to your life is uncertain. You just don’t know what your future holds. You don’t know what people really think about you, how much your skills stack up to others, what luck you will have, etc... Life is just full of uncertainty. Depression takes all this uncertain information and just assumes it is negative. You just had an interview? You’re probably not good enough to get it. You want to approach a girl? She’s probably out of your league. “Negative” is the default for depression.

To fight depression, you must assume that all the uncertain facts are positive. You absolutely must believe that everything will be awesome, the universe loves you, you can succeed at anything you try, any girl will fuck you, and you will be happy beyond your wildest dreams. You’ve never acted in a movie? Doesn’t matter, you still might win an Oscar this year. I’ll be honest: this is a little delusional. Some of those uncertain facts may end up being negative for you. But you shouldn’t worry about that until you get there and you KNOW they are negative. As long as you don’t know, you MUST assume the facts are positive for you. That girl you’ve never talked to? She probably really likes you. That interview you just did? You’re probably going to get it. Go to the extreme: you need to think that literally anything is possible, you might become a billionaire tomorrow, the rules of the world do not apply to you, and God will love you and give you whatever you want. Of course, don’t make decisions based on irrational positivity, but use the irrational positivity to motivate you.

You may object and say “I can’t fix depression with being delusional.” First of all, yes you can. Studies have shown that feeding people delusional thoughts can make them happier – even when they know it’s fake! In fact, if somebody did something wrong to you, you can make yourself feel better by writing a fake letter from them to you apologizing and reading it to yourself every day for a week. Your rational brain may know you are lying to yourself, but your emotions don’t. The same way depression can irrationally trick your emotions into feeling bad, you can irrationally trick your emotions into feeling good. Second, you’re not really being delusional: you’re just making positive assumptions about facts you don’t know. It’s not technically wrong and this type of optimism is helpful. In fact, it is the basis for most religion. No human being knows whether or not God actually exists or whether he actually loves us or whatever, but people believe that and feel better. It works! Thinking negatively is usually bad for you unless you are working on fixing a specific thing that you are doing wrong.

Please also keep in mind that depression is causing you to irrationally think negatively, so you need to counterbalance that somehow. Some people think overly positively and are naïve. That’s bad as well, but depression is the opposite problem. If your view of reality is warped to be negative you need to balance it out.

To think positively you need a daily routine. This could be many things: reading inspirational stuff, listening to music, praying, chanting, meditation, affirmations, self-talk. Whatever. You should also engage in meta-cognition (thinking about your thoughts). Let’s say you have a negative belief: next time it pops into your head, analyze it logically. Is it backed up by facts or did your depression just convince you it was true? Are you afraid of getting fired? Why? Are you obsessing over some small fact?

Whenever something bad happens, figure out why it happened and how you can prevent it in the future. If it is something you can’t control, you need to figure out how to accept it. If you made a mistake, figure out what you did wrong and don’t do it again. Try to learn something from every failure. And then, move on and don’t let it make you feel shitty anymore. And don’t let that one negative thing infect the rest of your thinking and make you think your world is crashing down around you.

Give up on the life you wanted or thought you deserved

This is going to sound weird, so bear with me here.

It’s a huge oversimplification, but you can generally characterize depression or happiness with this formula: Happiness = Where you are – where you think you should be. If where you are is greater than where you think should be, then you will be happy. That is why gratitude is so important for happiness – people literally feel like they lucked out in life, so they feel good. If, however, where you are is LESS than where you think you should be, then you will feel depressed. In other words, you have a fake image of what you should have accomplished and you will feel like you “fucked up” because you aren’t there yet. This is the main thing I hear when I talk to depressed people.

Part of the reason so many people in our society are depressed is that pop culture and the media keep feeding us images of what we should have and be. Everybody feels like they should have a huge house, an awesome career, a beautiful family, a nice car, vacations in the tropics, etc... And when they don’t have these things they feel depressed.

The key to being happy is detaching yourself from all of those external things and just being happy with what you have. You are a piece of dust moving through the universe and the only thing you can do is the right thing at every moment. You can’t focus on the big picture all the time – just do what you know you need to do right now. Focus on putting one foot in front of the other. Not only is that the right thing to do – it is the ONLY thing you can do. Obsessing over all the things you want or are supposed to have will only bring misery. This is going to be very difficult for most people because we are ingrained with certain values and goals from an early age and it will take a huge shift in thinking to abandon those things. But you have to remember that humans are frail beings and nobody has figured out what a “happy” life is and they certainly haven’t figured out what YOUR happy life is. Everybody is born into a different situation and it takes a weird combination of hard work, luck, a head start, and a certain personality type to end up at any particular point. And anything you accomplish can disappear in a second because reality is a cruel motherfucker. We are all on a different journey and for some of us, our journey will not lead to the lifestyles of the rich and famous. That’s ok – life isn’t about impressing anybody or achieving some pre-set goal some asshole you never met made up for you. Just be happy.

Give up on where you think you should be and just enjoy your day to day life. Stop thinking about being a rock star or a billionaire and just focus on being a good person, doing a good job today, and enjoying lunch. The little things in life should make you happy. The big things are great, but you shouldn’t have an emotional attachment to them and you definitely shouldn’t feel bad because you are not there yet. Life is all about little steps: you have to put one foot ahead of the other, and you will eventually make it.

We live in a society that is obsessed with goals, but I think it is stupid and unhealthy to form an irrational emotional attachment to a goal that you may not be able to achieve or may not be right for you. I have been doing stand up comedy for 6 years now and I have run into a lot of people that should quit because they just are not good enough and never will be. These people are depressed and miserable because they have this image in their head of what their life should be, and fail to recognize that happiness is a day to day thing and even if you do “make it” you will find some other reason to be unhappy.

Don’t get me wrong: I think people should have goals and work hard: I am not saying give up on life or be lazy. The last thing you should do is smoke pot and watch TV all day. But your goals should be in the back of your mind and they shouldn’t emotionally dominate you or overwhelm you. At any given point, you should be thinking about what you are doing at moment rather than your far off goals.

Ever since I started thinking like this, I have been much more successful, because instead of having my head in the clouds, I got down to business and did the hard day to day work that nobody wants to do or even talk about.

Realize that depression is an irrational emotion and does not represent reality

Now that you know that depression is essentially a mix of chemicals that make you feel bad even though you don’t deserve it, you can slowly start rebooting those negative thoughts and feelings you have. The next time a voice in your head tells you something negative, realize that the voice is not “you” but rather a chemical that is lying to you to make you feel like shit. Let’s say you’ve always thought of yourself as bad with girls. Next time that thought or feeling pops into your head, analyze it rationally: are you really bad with girls? Or do you just think you are, and is that thought fucking you up? Maybe your failure with girls is based on some small thing you can easily fix? Or maybe you just think “I suck at girls” and have used that thought as an excuse to not get better. Meta cognition is extremely important and is one of the reasons you need to bring in outside people who can view you objectively to help you get better.

The cascade of negative thoughts that comes with depression can sometimes even convince you that reality has consciousness and favors other people instead of you. This is one of those beliefs you need to logically analyze and realize is bullshit. Reality, to the best anybody can tell, is just a series of logical rules that doesn’t give a flying fuck about anybody. The President can die of a heart attack tomorrow and a homeless guy can win the lottery and become richer than Donald Trump. You can either fear reality and be intimidated by it, or just see it as a tool that you can use to achieve happiness. If you absolutely want to believe that reality has consciousness, go ahead, but why not assume that it loves you and wants you to be the king of the world?

Be suspicious of all of your emotions

That insane cascade of negative thoughts and emotions can affect any one of your emotions, so beware. Let’s say you are having “oneitis” for a girl. Try some meta-cognition: do you really “love” that girl or is your depression convincing you that you need her? Let’s say you hate somebody and want to get revenge on them – think about logically: is it worth your time and mental energy to pursue a vindictive grudge against them or is your depression causing that? Let’s say there is somebody abusive in your life – do you actually need that person in your life or is your depression making you feel like you need them?

Step Three: Fix your day to day life

Positive thoughts are great, but at the end of the day you need to reverse the flow of shitty chemicals in your brain and the only way you can do that is through action. You need “wins” – things you succeed at. These wins will boost your dopamine in a healthy way and fight those shitty networks created by depression.

Tackle your problems head-on The only way you can solve your depression is if you tackle your problems head-on. There are a lot of ideologies that advocate “not caring” or “disconnecting” yourself from reality – they don’t work. You need to engage in reality and get some “wins.” You can’t just give up and accept defeat – that won’t make you feel better. There is nothing wrong with practicing stoicism or Buddhism to make yourself feel better, but at the end of the day you still need to figure out a way to solve your problems and you need “wins.” Only after you start consistently getting wins will you be happy.

Get help Get therapy if you need it. Find yourself positive friends that will help you get better. Ditch people that are negative influences, especially people who don’t understand depression or just tell you to “snap out of it.” Find yourself a role model that you want to be like so you can work towards being like them. Find yourself a mentor that will give you advice to achieve your goals. Find positive places on the internet that will help you improve. You need objective voices that aren’t buried under the same avalanche of negative thoughts and emotions you are and then YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM. Your negative thoughts will try to ignore them but you need to be open minded and listen to them even if they sound crazy. And of course, stay away from other depressed or negative or shitty people. Don’t be ashamed to get help!

Succeed in a practice A practice is an activity that you actually get better at and can produce tangible results. Painting, cooking, Crossfit, bodybuilding, stand up comedy, and getting good at your job are all practices. Watching movies, being a “foodie,” and playing video games are not practices. There is nothing wrong with those things, but they won’t pull you out of depression. Practices have objective standards that you need to meet to be successful and once you meet those standards you will feel good because you conquered something. I believe that engaging in a practice is the best way to happiness because it gives you those “wins” you need to feel happy.

Adopt small goals Maybe you can’t decide on a practice to pursue or feel intimidated by the difficulty of the practice that you engage in. Your depression may say to you “there is no way you’ll ever be successful at this so don’t even try.” Start off with giving yourself incredibly tiny goals that you definitely know you can achieve – then when you achieve those goals you get a small “win.” When I was in the depth of my depression, my goal was to just brush my teeth every day. Everything after that in the day was a bonus. I know that sounds absurd, but it gave my life meaning and purpose and made me feel better. After that became a routine, I then moved to slightly bigger goals. Even today, when I am feeling overwhelmed with work, I will set a tiny goal for myself – all I need to do today is X and then I can go home. Right now, you can instantly boost your self-esteem by focusing on one small thing in your life. You can promise to yourself “my hair will look awesome every day” or “I will stop making X mistake at work.” Even those little things will make you feel better.

Do the regular things you know stop depression You’ve seen them a million times other places, but I will just list them again: go to the gym, eat better, get enough sleep, do things that help you relax, do something spiritual, stimulate yourself intellectually, eliminate shitty things from your life. Etc...

Beware of cheap happiness “Cheap happiness” is anything that makes you feel good but is ultimately not beneficial for you or even may be bad. This includes drugs, women, porn, speeding, wasting time on the internet, watching TV, playing video games, etc... While there is nothing normally wrong with a little bit of cheap happiness, depressed people are prone to become addicted because they are miserable and these things make them feel good, even if it is for a fleeting moment. A lot of depressed people try to “escape” their problems with cheap happiness, only to come back and realize that the problem has only gotten worse since they left reality. Just as depression creates negative neural pathways in your brain, feeding yourself cheap happiness when nothing else is making you happy will re-wire your brain to rely on these things for happiness

Adopt a routine and a strict schedule This is probably the most important thing on this list. You need a routine and a strict schedule. If you read famous people’s biographies you will notice that they all had strict schedules. This is because depression, laziness, and “cheap happiness” are evil monsters lurking in the back of your head constantly ready to get you, whether or not you have depression. If you don’t create absolutely strict boundaries for yourself, you can easily find yourself lost in a Wikipedia spiral or worse a drug or porn binge. The only way you can ward these monsters off is to set aside a chunk of time when you are absolutely committed to doing your work or engaging in your practice. Even if you are too depressed to actually do anything, you need to sit there and ride it out – just sticking to your schedule will give you a win. If you don’t have the willpower to do it yourself, find somebody who will force you to do your work.

To stop cheap happiness from ruining your life, budget some money and time in your schedule for your favorite types of cheap happiness, but absolutely cut yourself off when your budget runs out. For example, I limit myself to $50 worth of alcohol a week and I never stay out with a girl past 3 AM unless she has already fucked me. If you can’t stick to your budget, you need to cut that thing off for good. Can’t control your drinking? Stop drinking – find some other type of cheap happiness.

Rationalize your life When you are depressed, your emotions will be working against you – they will want you to be listless, lazy, or go on crazy binges of cheap happiness. You have to fight that by organizing your life rationally. You need a strict schedule, a strict budget for your money, and strict rules that you absolutely cannot break (for example, no staying up after 10 PM on a weekday). This may sound childish, but until you have built up these good habits, you need them to be imposed on you from the outside. I use the app Evernote for all the “rational” information for my life: my to do list, my grocery list, my calendar (with notifications), preferred businesses, books to read, and information about my bills, my car and home maintenance, etc...

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[–]nevva_Again25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

The root cause of depression is worry. Worrying over past mistakes, which you cannot change; and the future, over which you have no control.

Ruminating over past mistakes and circumstances will make anybody depressed. Worrying over what tomorrow brings will only make you anxious.

Bury your past, you cannot change anything about it. Make plans for the things you can control, and let tomorrow worry about itself.

Break every relationship you have with worrywarts, complainers and murmurers, their attitude is contagious. I call them ''joy-breakers''.

When you complain about negative issues, inadvertently you are refusing to accept responsibility for that issue. The only way to change any situation in your life is to first accept responsibility.

For those of you who are religious, I recommend this book(pdf)

I have never seen a depressed person who is not a worrywart.

[–]vagbutters2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is it-- I used to ruminate on a close family member's death for a while and would get severely depressed about it. Over time I've come to accept that as part of my life, and that this person would want me to live a good life like they once did.

It takes mettle to weave your way out of depression, and unfortunately we have an entire generation of cucks giving terrible advice, trying to medicate people out of it instead of getting them to positively change their life.

[–]slay_it_forward0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Biggest thing that helps me with depression is acknowledging the depression itself. Accepting it, surrendering to it. Saying to myself, "shit is a bit out of balance right now, but this too will pass". Everything in life is impermanent. That's why buddhist monks meditate on death. Tomorrow's a new day. If you're still breathing say fuck it and give it another go.

[–]abdada56 points57 points  (20 children) | Copy

One thing to note is if you have budget issues, drinking should be 100% off the table. If you have budget issues and depression, it should be really off the table.

I know plenty of people in my past who were always broke, but they would budget "just $50-$100 a week" on drinking. That's $2500-$5000 a year on alcohol. Over 10 years, it adds up.

On top of that, most of these depressed drinkers ignore the hidden costs -- they wouldn't include the cab ride into their budget, or they'd ignore that the next day they were 80% less productive, etc.

If you're depressed, stop drinking. If you're broke, stop drinking. You can go to bars and not drink, I've done it for decades even when I was in the industry.

[–]mugatucrazypills4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

the same regularly dumping cash on fatty-lattes, or fatty donuts/snacks,

or eating out(in a non event or occassion way) for that matter,

your budget will bleed out this way

[–]abdada12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is why my dates with women are never about "alpha theater" as I call it.

We'll cook, at my place, which shows me off.

We'll do things together that show me off, not some musician/chef/bartender. Senseless consumerism only gets you senseless consumers to date.

[–]mugatucrazypills3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I buy things most people consider "extravagant", if I can afford it, if it's a one-off, that will bring me a special experience or pleasure. That's why I make money.

It's the repeated routine pavlovian waste of money on "lifestyle", "status" purchases that have become automatic that kill you IMO. Starbucks comes most to mind. There are people making near minimum wage are topping up there several times a day and paying 6 bucks for a latte in a logo cup with 5 cents of coffee and stale biscuit. There are people who literally spend 110% of their after tax disposable income between cigarettes, convenience food, and booze. These people can never get ahead.

[–]abdada9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

These people can never get ahead.

I don't want them to get ahead. The easier credit is, the more I can sell them useless shit they don't need.

[–]hiaf2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Horribly dark, I respect your honesty

[–]abdada2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I could invest in student debt bonds, I would. Nothing better in life than to watch people run their diesel trains into solid iron mountains when you're the guy who owns the cleanup service.

[–]sigma2721 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same here with the student loan bonds. I have no qualms about fleecing people who are being arrogantly stupid on purpose.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy

that's a really good point

[–]abdada16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

I know that 10 years ago I came to the realization that I had probably saved over $100,000 between my late teens and early 30s just because I have a policy not to buy myself alcohol. I know this because I had a lot of people come to me for budget advice, and looking over their bank statements you can see how often they would spend $40 at one bar, $30 at another, then there would be a 1am ATM withdrawal for $100 and they couldn't account for the cash at all. And you'd see this happening over and over and over again, some people would repeat this 100 times a year in their 20s and then wonder why they were 30 years old and totally broke and depressed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

you're smart, those people aren't.

[–]abdada13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know if I'm any smarter, but I did have positive men in my life growing up. My grandfather set me straight when I was 4, my dad's advice in my youth held up for decades, my doctor from the age of 16 was my mentor for 20+ years, and my best buddy is one of the most aggressive men in the world (even though he's a flamboyant queer that talks with a feminine voice and a lisp).

I was surrounded by men of value growing up and it rubbed of on me. I grew up very poor, immigrant parents with accents, and still I made something of myself because I was raised properly and never forced to believe blue pill bullshit.

It wasn't smarts, really. It was determination.

[–]Tom_The_Human2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wisdom > intelligence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

intelligence = wisdom. Intelligence is your capacity to think things though from various perspectives. Wisdom is derived from intelligence. And Lots of experience

[–]kobe60-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

na bro... not worth it to be a boring cardboard box like urself. especially thinking ur better than someone just cuz they buy alcohol for themself? u sound like a SJW tbh

[–]abdada3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

boring cardboard box? lol please.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

fucking cardboard boxes always ruining the fun

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agreed. When I was really depressed it was solely because of my drinking.

I just didn't realize it at the time.

[–]SudoAptGetMeASammich1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

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What is this?

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most psychiatric patients are heavy smokers, coincidence? :)

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not only does depression fuck up our views on reality.. But oftentimes it becomes our reality itself..

If you're constantly thinking "This girl's probably going to reject me" "I won't get hired there" "I'm probably going to fail this class" that frame of mind will seep in to your reality.. Just as feeling inferior to your girlfriend will turn you beta and get your ass dumped.

I had a huge problem with this for most of my life. Never took medication for my depression, but both of my parents have mood disorders (father is bipolar/depression.. Mother suffers from depression/anxiety) My grandmother was also a schizophrenic who was hospitalized and my grandfather was a severe alcoholic who died at 60 because he spent his whole life drinking heavily and trashing his body.

I felt depression from a very very early age. Part of it was implanted in my mind from my parents' negative mindsets. I remember from an early age (5.. I still remember my first visit with my dad after my parents split) my father constantly letting me know my mother is a succubus whore who took everything away from him.. How my aunt is a whore who "fucked a n****r" (my cousin is half-black).. My father also made me run on a treadmill and would hit me if I stopped from getting tired. He taught me to be ashamed of my body and to hate myself for it, instead of encouraging me to eat healthy and exercise (even though I was just going through the chubby kid stage into puberty).

My mother also set limiting beliefs in me. When I was in 6th grade, I really looked up to Einstein and Stephen Hawkings. I became really obsessed with black holes and physics after learning about them on discovery channel and ate all of this stuff up. I wanted to work hard in school so that someday I could study physics at MIT. I even went to a computer programming camp there in 7th grade.

My mother told me "That's really hard! You need to be good at math for that!" So instead of working hard to become good at math and study my ass off, I thought "Well, I guess mom thinks I'm not good at math, so I won't be studying physics with the best and the brightest".. Not a word of encouragement.

I also got mediocre grades all throughout grade school-highschool (A-C range.. Occasional D's but never got an F).. Not once did my parents help me study for any tests.. Or any older cousins (no siblings.. But my cousins were like siblings). Instead my parents just told me that I'm "not putting in any effort" and would chastise me over it.

Depression is a never ending cycle in families. IMO, I think it's about 95% social environment and maybe 5% genetics. It gets passed on through family because their crappy frame-of-mind gets taught and psychologically implanted in you since the early child rearing stages.. This is also like 99% of the issues these beta cucks face with their spineless behavior.

After a bad breakup with my first LTR where I felt like killing myself because she left me for a higher SMV guy.. I woke up. I started hitting the gym, enrolled back in school, got straight A's in school, and now I'm at a top tier university to complete my BA.

I literally filled up my whole days with activities that consisted of improving myself so that there was no time to even THINK about being depressed. I know it's way harder than it seems and I fell off the bike my first 100 something attempts at this.. But I finally got it to work for me. Here's my current daily schedule..

6:00AM: WAKE UP Check email, check FB/soc media (only for things pertaining to myself like events, messages.. Not social gossip).. Check reddit.

6:30AM: SHOWER/SHIT/SHAVE

7:00AM: BREAKFAST

7:15/7:30AM: PAINT / DRAW(painting and making art is a hobby of mine that I am very passionate about.) Painting is also a form of meditation for me. Right now I am painting a mural with permission from my city's mayor on a local hiking trail. When I'm hiking out there at 6:00AM with all my paint and various gear.. I feel like a monk doing his daily spiritual devotions. When I'm zoned out letting the sublime manifest itself through me and building these creative pieces, I can honestly see how these men of ancient times "spoke to god atop mt. sinai" and shit like that. I feel like I'm communicating with god when I'm working. Say what you will, but I truly do believe in a higher power that created this universe and these moments of the sublime are when we're communicating with that power in a post-language/post-communication sort of way. I don't know if this higher power is Christian, atheist, or whatever-the-fuck.. But it's a good feeling and it makes me feel like there's more to this existence than simple empiricism.

11:00AM: GO TO WORK

My day job is at a pizza place right now while I finish school. I work full time + more (usually 40-50 hours a week) during the school break.

Sometimes when it's slow, I will have a few hours to myself. If you work a job like this you can manifest that time to better yourself. During the slow restaurant hours (usually 1:30/2:00 - 5:00) I will read a book at my station. Although if you have a real nazi-manager they might crack the whip at you for this. I also eat lunch at work during slow post-lunch hours and dinner during slow post-dinner rush hours. Luckily I can whip up some healthy nutrient/protein rich entrees at work without all the fatty crap we add to our entree menu items.

9:00/10:00 PM: LEAVE WORK AND GO TO THE GYM.

I usually spend 45min - 1 hour at the gym EVERY SINGLE DAY alternating upper body and lower body every other day. I incorporate cardio into my exercise routine every session as well.

11:00PM/MIDNIGHT: SHOWER and GO TO SLEEP.

Since I set my alarm for 6:00AM every day, I need to wash up and shower right when I get home and get some sleep if I want energy for the next day. This helps me avoid staying up late posting/reading nonsense on reddit and FB.

OTHER TIPS FOR OVERCOMING DEPRESSION

1.) DON'T DEVELOP RELIANCE ON DRUGS (this includes alcohol) as "stress relief". This shit is for soft pussies. Stress relief should consist of gym, other physical activities, and meditation. I developed a reliance on weed and was perpetually stoned for a good 3-4 years before I realized how much of a shitty habit it is. Weed makes me socially awkward, just as much of a money burner as cigs, harder to retain intellectual information (reading, memorizing data), had a negative effect on my respiratory system, and generally just a crutch that pussies rely on.

2.) GET GOOD AT SOMETHING. Okay, so you're depressed and you might suck at everything. You sucked at little league, couldn't keep up with your friends who could 360 flip a 10 set, and you're fat. Well the good news is, you're just a youtube video away from taking the first step at getting good at something. Seriously, youtube is practically the NEW LIBRARY. Experts have beginner level how to videos on everything from repairing a car engine to juggling. Go get good at something and practice it every day for at least 3 hours. Getting good at stuff and exhibiting daily improvement builds positive reinforcement and it's good for your frame of mind.

3.) STOP TAKING SHIT FROM PEOPLE. Demand respect.. By that I don't mean telling people "hey you shouldn't say that, that hurt my feels!" I mean simply DONT FUCK WITH THEM anymore. I had a lot of friends who really liked to shit on my in middle/highschool and after for anything I desired to do in life. I go to art school now and they still shit on me for working toward a "useless degree" while they work data entry monkey jobs at some soulless office where they don't even actually know what the company does. Fuck the haters, if you have to burn your whole social circle, so be it. I did it 3 years ago and despite feeling lonely at first, I now have new friends who are a much better more positive influence on my life.

4.) DRESS WELL. Obviously everyone respects someone who's dressed well. I don't mean dress in formal attire everywhere (It's awkward going to the bar in a suit if you didn't just come from a formal occasion). Part of dressing well is understanding the social etiquette of clothes. It's perfectly cool to go to the bar in a pair of jeans and a tee shirt from your favorite band.. But wear nice quality stuff. Don't wear anything that's mass produced (walmart, target brands, etc..) Buy good quality clothes or at least clothes that are tasteful (companies like Fred Perry, Barbour, American Apparel, UO come to mind.. Even though lots of UO clothing is cheap shit it looks cool and their sales aren't bad.)

5.) PLAN FUN EVENTS FOR LEISURE TIME. And follow through with them even if you have to go by yourself cause your friends flaked on you. First fridays for art gallery openings are awesome because there's free beer/wine and snacks and no cost to get in (usually). If you're a college student you can usually get into museums for free or relatively cheap.

5.) COGNITIVE THERAPY. Create rules for yourself to keep from dwelling on shit in the past. Every time I thought about my ex I would yell out "STOP IT!" to myself even in public. I also did this for correcting quirks in posture and stupid little habits like touching my beard too much. Making the commitment to do it in public extra reinforces it too because you look like a fucking weirdo by yelling "STOP IT!" at yourself at the grocery store.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to share this stuff because I feel like TRP helped me come a long way from who I was and hope that maybe this information can benefit even just 1 other guy here.

[–]Redjatis3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just wanted to point out, that just by recognizing the mental disorders of your family, and how they have been passed down, you have literally stepped outside of your entire genealogy and taken the first steps to overcome it. You very well could be the first in 1000 years of your families history to recognize this pattern and take steps to stop it.

Give yourself a giant fucking pat on the back and keep it at.

[–]king_of_red_alphas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is all great stuff. Thanks for sharing. But, how do you get by with 6 hours of sleep every night? I would be a zombie and probably not very useful at work with that little sleep over a long period of time.

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My fiancé cheated on me and I lost my job at the same time, then I failed out of law school the next year. I couldn't find work for a long time and had debt collectors all over me. I was a miserable wreck 2010 - 2014. I wanted to kill myself, had drinking, web browsing and video game addiction problems, slept all day, the whole thing. I probably would have gone through with suicide if I didn't have a family that cared about me. OP sounds like he has been to a similar place, this whole post is spot on to how I started turning my life around. Thanks for writing this all out.

The only thing I can add is that we're part of a brotherhood of men, sharing from our experiences to help one another find happiness. This community we've built is an excellent resource for guys in pain, take part.

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If anyone cares, a few changes that got me started on digging from the pit were:

1) a painful day of trashing every video game and gamer related toy, book or decoration I had from my living space(none of it was valuable or collectable really)

2) terminating all my web forum accounts (especially reddit)

3) getting a dude from the redpill irc channel to put the opendns filter on my router via teamviewer (that way I had a porn filter that I couldn't remove because I didn't control the password)

From there I set daily metrics for myself: run outside for an hour, apply to at least 5 jobs, do at least 1 creative thing, book chapters, online classes, etc.

I replaced gaming with reading, so much reading. I think its really cool that we read a lot here. The redpill material helped to alter my general attitude, shifting through sadness, worry, frustration, spite, anger, into determination. It has been slow going, I've even bitched about the slow pace of progress to some of you. I still carry a lot of the spite, like I'm out for revenge against nobody in particular. It's turned into more of an "I WILL NOT BE DENIED!" type flavor now, determination fuels ambition and inspires action instead of sitting still. Even if we're all doomed to fail there's this need to go down fighting. That need to fight was my own answer to "what's the point of it all." Life sucks and we're all gonna die and the world isn't fair but damnit I'm going to fight. I could say a lot more but its starting to digress.

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[–]cargoship12124 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wish I remembered a reddit post that summed up depression nicely. There were four different factors that did it. One was chemical imbalance, the other was the current life situation of an individual but there were two more which I can't remember and the ones I told about are kind of obvious. Anyway life fucking sucks when you are genuinely a good person with shit ton of baggage on your shoulders, thats all I'm going to say.

[–]MyStepdadHitsMe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Commenting in case someone knows it ... Sounds interesting!

[–]1StoicCrane21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

One thing that people don't know that will never be portrayed by MSM. Pornography creates depression. I repeat, pornography causes depression!

It hi-jacks dopamine receptors and creates a synthetic experience of pleasure. Each time a person gets their "fix" of porn it artificially spikes dopamine and makes otherwise pleasurable real-life experiences feel bland and insipid. If you're in the midst of depression and you have a porn addiction there's your culprit. Annihilate it like your life's progress depends on it because in reality it does!

*Forgive any typos above. Mobile is a pia to type on.

[–]1aguy019 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

For real, it annoys me to no end how people try and deny this. I have a lot of experience with nofap and I've settled into once a week and it's always extremely obvious to me how it affects my mood, attention, energy, etc after one long session or a couple quick ones. The effect lasts 2-4 days before my energy levels out and I feel unperturbable again. Sex and noporn masturbation don't have the same effect. It's very obvious if you have any degree of introspection.

The only time I feel any anxiety or worry is in the days following a porn binge.

[–]1StoicCrane1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly the same here. Anxiety and feeling out of sorts are like withdrawl symptoms after a binge. It rattles the nervous system and leaves viewer/fappers literally nervous.

[–]hipfash31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This should have been the top comment in this thread. For a lot of people just fixing addiction is everything that's needed.

[–]afkb39sdfb0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Video games too. Completing some quest/leveling up/winning the match activates the same reward centers of the brain that accomplishment in real life does, but video games are quicker, easier, and more stimulating than real life accomplishments.

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I can't say enough about the "small goals" part. I was in a weird place after getting laid off some time ago. After a couple weeks of drinking and playing Madden, I decided I was going to:

  • Make my bed.
  • Go on a 3-mile walk to a new part of San Francisco every day.
  • DO X amount of job outreach (y applications, z requests for coffee, etc.)

That was it. The day was a success. Then I could sleep. Drink. Play Madden. Whatever.

I gained HUGE momentum that was life changing.

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Mild - moderate depression can be managed by sheer act of will such as the post on the top would suggest.

Severe depression - which is what I generally come across, requires a doctor. I know this goes against every single thing people have been said, and people here would probably state that they were suffering with severe depression... however, severe depression requires medical attention. If you know people who you deem to be severely depressed - constantly suicidal, don't go out, don't do anything, don't enjoy anything, have lost their jobs to this and perhaps close to the point of being catatonic, get them some help.

Medical therapy works, in combination with psychotherapy. Changes in lifestyle such as the ones listed above are essential. But to be able to do that - you need to have the energy to do it. That's where the medication comes in. I have rarely seen medication not work for severe depression. However, that diagnosis is thrown around in the US and UK and it never fits any diagnostic criteria - it basically means I am bored/sad/unfulfilled.

Get help if you really need it. Using others to improve your life does not make you a loser or less self-sufficient, it takes you to the expert who can help you.

Thanks, but I think this comment would be downvoted because of people's experience in the US with their healthcare professionals. :)

[–]Vigilo_Infinite6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

A few things;

Depression starts with bad feelings. This is a reaction to the environment you are currently in; I don't have enough money, I'm a burden on (whoever supports me), I cannot fulfill my current task (job, study, relationship) and I see no way out, I do not know how to escape and in 5 years time, things will possibly be the same as they are today.

Then, rot sets in. Those bad feelings you feel on a daily basis become normal. You remain in the environment that's causing it and you become numb. Depression isn't feeling bad, unhappy or afraid. It's feeling nothing. It's the opposite of expression.

A TL:DR version would be;

Long term, the way out is to remove yourself from the bad environment that is causing this chemical imbalance.

Sometimes that is impossible; you live with family, you work somewhere you cannot leave. It's hopeless.

Going to ecco what you said here because I agree with what you've written; short term solution; you have to remain in reality and take action. Doesn't matter what that action is, you have to start filling your human needs and being kind to yourself.

Jung said;

Neurosis is always the avoidance of legitimate suffering.

Don't run from pain.

Here's a video that helped me a great deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQ5e2iPkMw

[–]gum110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

he talks way too much about personality disorders...I'm not sure if he has one or is giving advise to people with them, but it's pretty out there.

[–]Vigilo_Infinite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He specialises in helping people recover from narcissistic PD abuse. He's very smart and what he talks about is pretty relatable to TRP.

[–]sbdhfgy54wre8uifj2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

concentrating on the past lead to my depression, looking too far forward gave me anxiety...I really had to focus on staying in the moment for whatever I was doing. I daydreamed a lot as well. Not to say that I am no longer afflicted, but with some of the tools mentioned in this post a depressed individual will certainly see positive results...as I have

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Step 1: Lift

Step 2: Get money.

That's really all there is to it.

[–]RPFlame2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A psychologist I respect a lot said that he refuses to give anti-depressants to people who have a rough patch in life, something that most of them do anyways because "muh profit". His reasoning was "you are not depressed, you're just living in a fucked up environment". It's like the saying "before you diagnose yourself with depression, make sure you're not just surrounded by assholes".

The human life is never smooth sailing. If it is, it's fleeting, until the next storm. And it always hits you when you don't expect. People tend to interpret that as "the universe/god hating them", try to figure out what did they do wrong, and that leads to rumination and chaos.

I also don't agree with the "we're just specks of dust floating in the universe" or any other reductionist bullshit argument. I am 100% traditionalist, and I feel that I respect the work, blood and toil that came before me, from men I'll never reach in greatness. If all we are is just specks of dust so were they.

I don't like saying "I was depressed" because it's kind of inaccurate. I like saying "I was into chaos", because our lives shift between chaos and order all the time. Order is when everything goes just as expected and planned. Chaos is when something occurs that makes you question not only the occurrence, but also your ability to plan. Chaos is when someone "gets" his first taste of Red Pill before he finds this forum. "Wtf, I thought if I was a nice guy the girl I'm in love with will notice me, but she picked Chad instead!"

What helped me come out of my own period of chaos (which lasted 3-4 years) was understanding the origin of meaning (the brain). Humans are masters of material transformation, because of the brain's ability to see meaning into things. When you see a big dog, your eyes see the dog, but the brain will first go "aww, how cute!" if you're a dog fan, or maybe even "god, how huge, I'm so scared" if you have a phobia. First you react in the meaning, then you understand why by examining the object. Same goes with hot women in a bar, with tools, with anything. And that's healthy, that's normal.

Another example, if you visit Acropolis in Greece people might go "why do people like this shit? It's just ancient marbles deteriorating!" but the Greeks might think you're insane. Because what people see first isn't the object, what people see first is the meaning. What they see is how great of a work people back then did, and what that work stood for. Paradoxically, what that person did in a mere second was also find meaning into it, "there's no use admiring it because the meaning I got isn't as great as I was told".

Part of why the lies of the discouraged brain work is because all it sees is negative meaning. "Life is meaningless", "we're just specks of dust", "nothing even matters" and if this phase lasts long enough it will justify all possible actions. But you can't justify all possible actions, because you'll think "isn't what I'm thinking of doing right or wrong for my standards?" and that's paradoxical to think when you believe that nothing matters.

Once I realized that nothing stopped having a meaning in my brain, I decided to build my virtue from the ground up. I learned about great men, great things in the human history, and embraced the fact that my life and life in general is far from being meaningless. I learned to appreciate the work of people around me, from the baker to the scientist, that everyone in the world is interconnected and interdependent, that what I do matters even if I'm not Einstein, Russell, Nietzsche. It matters to me, to my family, to my friends, and to my society. This is the greatest fear for people who are into chaos, because they'll go "oh shit, things are worse than I thought", unless you explain to them to be pragmatic and focus on what they can change from this moment and onwards.

That's all.

[–]iseeyou13121 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here's a very good book to read with regards to changing your thinking patterns and challenging your thoughts. Anyone who is, or has experienced depression will be able to relate very well to it. Free pdf.

[–]hipfash30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It felt too bulky. Did you finish the whole thing? Did it help?

[–]marinewannabee971 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Huh. The no-fap idea is interesting. It's not so easy for us folk in monk mode who can't just phone a plate. Tell you guys what, I'll do no fap for one week, when college ends for the summer. I'll document how it goes and see if there's any improvement in mood and energy. I wonder If it be controlled as a habit, say twice a week. Would that perhaps negate the negative physiological effects.

[–]1aguy011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The negative effect is from porn. Orgasm itself can drain your energy if you bust a lot of nuts, but the effect of the porn is far more powerful, and you'll feel the drain for 3 or 4 days after a good session. Stay away from any image or video that gives you that butterfly rush in your gut and makes you horny, and you can fap and fuck all you want with minimum drawback.

[–]king_of_red_alphas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man. This is so true. If I was single / had no access to pussy right now I would honestly not be able to go without one "release" once every couple of weeks (I simply turn into an irritable monster)

BUT the other day I was reminded how dangerous it was when I saw this "compilation" video of all the hottest (they all happened to be my favorite) porn stars best fucking / sucking clips and I got that "butterfly stomach" and all the blood just rushed into my dick instantly.

I literally felt out of control of my body like I took a drug. I instantly turned that shit off and vowed never to watch it again.

Why? Because I knew I would get used to that sudden surge of excitement and even worse I would be conditioning myself to see highlights of the hottest sluts fuck sessions from impossible angles. No way that isn't going to fuck with my ability to get turned on in "real" circumstances.

[–]Dollar_thief1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There have been a lot over very promising depression "cure" studies that have looked at the positive benefits of cold exposure. here is a link about a full body hypothermia study that finds positive effects even after one session.

"we found that a single session (mean session time, 126.7 minutes [SD=18.0]) induced a rapid, robust, and sustained reduction in depressive symptoms (CES-D score before treatment, mean=29.9 [SD=10.6]; 5 days after treatment, mean=19.2 [SD=12.3]; t=4.53, df=15, p<0.001, effect size=1.13). Thirteen of these patients received no other pharmacologic or psychotherapeutic intervention during the 5 days following whole-body hyperthermia, whereas three patients were being chronically treated with a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI), with no change in dosage during the study period. Interestingly, when examined separately, whole-body hyperthermia appeared to have no effect in the three individuals receiving SSRI treatment. With these three individuals removed from analysis, the effect size of the hyperthermia increased (t=5.15, df=12, p<0.001, effect size=1.4)."

1.4 indicates a very strong positive correlation.

There is a lot of theorised literature about depression being linked with humans moving away from their natural state. The theory that corresponds with cold therapy is that we have become too comfortable in our heated homes, and no longer have use any mental energy to control our body temperature to protect ourselves against the outside climate and nature.

A guy called WimHof, "the Iceman" can survive for 3 hours in an ice chamber without his core body termperature dropping. He does this through special breathing techniques and cold exposure. It has been shown scientifically that he can control his own body temperature, cardiovascular system, endocrine system, autonomous nervous system and others. He also teaches others how to do the same things.

In a study, he taught 12 people to control their immune system, and had them injected with an endotoxin. The control group theist were not trained felt the negative effects within 230 minutes and for at least a couple of hours. The group that was trained felt nothing bad at all.

The theory is that the increased blood pH levels mean that the human body is less easy for viruses and bacteria to survive in, and the massively (temporarily) increased adrenaline and cortisol levels that occur with the breathing method make the immune system more active and efficient at protecting itself - since adrenaline levels are so high, and no natural threat in the outside world is detected, the body focuses on the threats that are inside the body and neutralises them very quickly, it is like a fight or flight response that wakes up the primal side of out brain. Study on increased pH level effect on body.

The breathing method is 3 deep breaths, controlled hyperventilation then releasing the air and holding it out. Your retention times will be huge compared to normal, most people can get to nearly 2 minutes on their first attempt. You essentially over oxygenate your blood, expelling carbon dioxide, as the oxygen levels decrease, about 1 and a half minutes in, your adrenaline and stress (cortisol) levels spike, causing your body to enter "optimal" mode, releasing its full potential and allowing you to fight off disease and entering a super calm state. Your heart rate drops and you enter a meditative state where you are extremely aware of the present moment.

He also recommends cold showers, have one every day and eventually increase the time tpyou spend up to 10 minutes each shower. Your body adapts very quickly to the cold, and within 5 or so days you do not feel the cold. Use the breathing method before the shower and you will sparely feel the cold at all. This is your body actively keeping the core temperature warm, holding off the outside threat in your elevated level of awareness and control.

Anyway, thought this would be useful information for anyone who has been going through s fought time. It is the simplest way to take back control of your chemical processes and has a huge number of people, myself including, attesting to its positive influence on feelings of control, happiness, energy levels, inner drive, and many more things.

If you are interested to look into this subject in greater detail, which I highly recommend, there is a good documentary on YouTube that is 45 minutes long and details the process and its underlying science very well. Wim Hof Iceman Documentary. It is a vege good watch and I am sure that once you have seen this and the wonders that his man is capable of, and he charismatic mindset hat it has given him, you will want to know more about how it works.

His interview with functional patterns is one of the best at explaining the underlying mechanisms behind the method, and its implications for eveyry day life, and is well worth w watch after the first one. funtional patterns and wim hof, there is also a very good one with Joe Rogan and another with Dr Rhonda Patrick, which can easily be fortune with a Google search.

Have to say thanks to /u/IamGale for writing about Wim a couple of months ago, I've been soaking up his knowledge for a while now and applying his techniques and have felt huge positive effects on my life and can personally attest that it is one of the best methods I have found for optimising my life.)

The breathing method is 3 deep breaths, controlled hyperventilation then releasing the air and holding it out. Your retention times will be huge compared to normal, most people can get to nearly 2 minutes on their first attempt. You essentially over oxygenate your blood, expelling carbon dioxide, as the oxygen levels decrease, about 1 and a half minutes in, your adrenaline and stress (cortisol) levels spike, causing your body to enter "optimal" mode, releasing its full potential and allowing you to fight off disease and entering a super calm state. Your heart rate drops and you enter a meditative state where you are extremely aware of the present moment.

He also recommends cold showers, have one every day and eventually increase the time tpyou spend up to 10 minutes each shower. Your body adapts very quickly to the cold, and within 5 or so days you do not feel the cold. Use the breathing method before the shower and you will sparely feel the cold at all. This is your body actively keeping the core temperature warm, holding off the outside threat in your elevated level of awareness and control.

Anyway, thought this would be useful information for anyone who has been going through s fought time. It is the simplest way to take back control of your chemical processes and has a huge number of people, myself including, attesting to its positive influence on feelings of control, happiness, energy levels, inner drive, and many more things.

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I can vouch for setting tiny daily goals. For a while I've been following a daily itinerary. Its a Google docs spreadsheet that I print out each morning. It lists a lot of tiny tasks that I would be doing anyway (literally "get up" is the first task, then get dressed, eat, brush teeth, etc). Then I will hand-write bigger tasks that need to be done for the day on the bottom of the paper. Strangely, I find it very satisfying to cross items off the list, even if they are insignificant. There seems to be some positive mental feedback type thing when you "defeat" a task by actually crossing it off. Even when all I've done is basically get ready to start my day, seeing several things already crossed off the itinerary in the first hour makes me feel like I'm getting shit done. This momentum of defeating small tasks then carries on into the bigger tasks I've written out for the day. I highly recommend this if you tend to wander aimlessly through your day with no specific goals. Procrastination, distraction, social media etc are a huge problem for me, but I'm seeing improvement with this technique.

[–]king_of_red_alphas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is probably the best post I've seen in my 2 years of reading TRP.

It actually brings up an interesting point though.

I wonder if reading TRP, with all of its cynicism, negativity and anger towards women (and social life in general) isn't a contributing factor to staying in that frame of mind.

I mean, reading this place too much is kind of like watching plane crash videos over and over. Your mind starts to exist in a world where "every plane is gonna crash".

I would say, over "use" of TRP can be as harmful as porn or even alcohol in some ways.

For every inspirational / aspirational post like this, there are about a hundred others about divorce rape, cheating, entitled women, Chad fucking some guys high school sweetheart, etc.

Anyway, it's worth wading through all of the darkness for shining lights like this.

Thank you, sir, for the excellent post.

[–]Socrate_wesh3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

I will mention one thing that helped me a lot. If you're not religious don't read:

Instead of worrying, pray.

I repeat: everytime your mind starts thinking about things that worry you: pray instead.

Might sounds stupid or silly, but you realize worrying about the future is useless so you might as well use it for a good cause, praying.

It's what recommended to do in Catholic theology by the way.

[–]manslutalt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think it's good advice even though I can't follow it myself. I can't with a straight face pray to science and evolution. Perhaps meditation can produce similar results.

[–]Socrate_wesh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can't apply it all the time neither, but I remind myself to do it. Praying for science and evolution doesn't make any sense though.

[–]LazyMagus1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

A Catholic theologian on TRP?

[–]Socrate_wesh1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not at all! Christian nonetheless. Christianity is the ultimate redpill.

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I would both agree and disagree. Especially early christianity and the fusion of greek philosophy with religious dogma was quite redpill. Heraclitus is a good source of material for anyone looking to shake off a case of "cant we all just get along, give peace a chance". Xenophon and Caesar have written what must be the best descriptions of how you set a goal, build a team that follows you and then execute it even when shit goes extremely south. The old testament is decent as well as the holding up of free thinkers to high regard such as fex the saint of seville who argued that animals were animate creatures with a cognitive function. St Augustine is the ultimate truth machine, his writing on love is great and the fact that such an empathetic man would have mostly negative things to say about other humans is telling.Then it got kinda BP tbh, kinda similiar to the regressive left today. Conform to the majority establishment or die. God moved really far away from the commoner, and as a result religion declined in its importance in Europe at least till this day. A few RP guys like Luther called the catholics on their bullshit.

[–]Socrate_wesh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I agree, Christianity has turned very BP, that's why I study the classics you mentioned as much as I can. I keep it to myself too (except on anonymous internet boards) because people often don't understand the depth of christian doctrine.

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[–]Socrate_wesh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pray for our savior Rolor Tomassi

[–]freditoj1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Psychiatrist here. Started reading your explanation of how you understand depression and it made me want to throw up.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I never said i was a scientist

[–]freditoj0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well just a word of caution for readers then.

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A really excellent post with some fresh psychological and philosophical turns on an eternal subject. Not gonna say sticky but I saved it.

[–]crabpipe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good post - In my experience, I cannot emphasize getting professional help

[–]notevenatthestart0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post. Too many people throw their arms up and say "but it's a chemical imbalance in the Brain!"... as if the brain and its chemicals hadn't specifically evolved to react to external stimuli. It might not be true that everyone can pull himself out of depression by his own efforts but it's sure as hell not true that everyone has to sit around and wait to be pumped full of drugs before he stands a chance.

And while talking and therapy and whatever else might help some people, that can be precisely the wrong prescription for more old fashioned men.

[–]bountyhunterdjango0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Really good post, fantastic point about not caring about where you feel you should be and just focusing on gratitude for the president instead. After all happiness is an internal force, something inside the mind. If you're strong-willed you can control your mind, make the decision to be more positive and worry less, give less of a fuck about what other people think or 'the big picture' as you put it.

I would say your reference to 'cheap happiness' is a little harsh, women and drugs especially can be absolutely fantastic experiences worth exciting over (sure even TV or games if there's something you love out). It's only when these things get in the way of your lifestyle or you build a reliance on them that you should cut down.

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This is good. Only change would be the giving up on the life you originally chose or set out and deserve to live. Imposter syndrome mimics effects of depression so you have to be careful that you don't shoot yourself in the foot in your journey towards massive success.

That being said good shit because depression is not just something you can "man up" out of. I've gone through it myself before and it is deadly. You do get and feel stronger after getting out of it though.

[–]rancidapc00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This article has taught me so much about depression. I've suffered for as long as I can remember, now that I think bac k, I've always used videos games to excape reality.

Recently I joined the Navy, trying to make a difference in my life. Moving forward I will use all the information I've taken from your article to shape me into the person I want to be. Take it day by day! Thanks for everything.

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Good advice but in my experience it is highly unlikely you will pull yourself out of depression through logical thought. Yes some understanding is initially important but a structured therapy is highly beneficial. Here is a CBT resource http://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resources/infopax.cfm?Info_ID=37 That you can work through one module per week. CBT has empirical evidence to support its effectiveness for depression and other mental illnesses. If you check the sidebar you will find variations for different illnesses such as anxiety etc. Also this isn't a fad website. It is a resource actually used by Dr's in Australia and NZ

[–]neowiz920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my case, the cause of my depression were because of MDMA. I've been consuming that from rave party to rave party every weekend for like 3 months straight, not giving time to my serotonine to raise again. Ended up with a huge depression.

[–]maadkekz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Give up on the life you wanted or thought you deserved

This is synonymous with Western society. In the UK, I grew up as part of a Millennial generation that was targeted by the government as part of its failed 'Social Mobility' project.

Growing up, all we were told throughout our childhood was 'go to college/university', educate yourself and the rest will take care of itself. Nice house, good job, hot wife/husband, etc.

So we did.

We were all led to believe further education was some sort of social mobility jetpack to a better life - a skip the line ticket over the rest of the plebeian masses. Here I am, mid 20's, sat in my mundane 9-5 job, earning less than the national average salary and left thinking I was meant for more. I can't afford to live in my own apartment so I live with my SO and her parents.

From now on I will dedicate myself towards an acceptance of this, thanks for shining a light on something that I've never been able to put my finger on.

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So much fucking pseudoscience that it's making me depressed. Jesus.

[–]Sconfinato0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm a little late, but the 4 rules of /u/ryans01 are great.

[–]HappyMexican0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great read, still halfway through it but I needed to read this today. Spending holiday memorial day weekend alone and feeling pretty down. This made me keep trying to work through it and make the best of it. Was feeling super depressed that I had no plans and no one around.

Positive side though, I ended up gaming with my brothers I never ever see because they have families. We were all off work this weekend! Overwatch!!!! Was so fun.

[–]hipfash30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One small addendum. Before labelling yourself depressed make sure you're not addicted. Even porn addiction can have deadly affect.

Here's a video from a person suffered depression just because of porn addiction: https://youtu.be/YSmJDn-emqY

[–]fuknretard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

thanks for the great post. book marked it.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

In our time:

Depression is the successful application of the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination process.

In other words:

If you literally and perfectly absorb the Blue Pill you will achieve the desired Depressed condition as designed by the globalist psychopaths.

Try this:

I, pet goat II - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6nCa_OTEM

...the guy with the Broken Eggshell for a head (2:45) is a Blue Pill beta male.

Notice how the Blue Pill is inserted through technology. (the snake tv head)

 

[–]ShivMeister69ZFG2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Symbolism is a little beyond some peoples capabilities, as is understanding just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I suppose that explains the downvoting etc.

I'm picking up what your laying down.

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[–]NeoreactionSafe7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

If something is true does that make me crazy?

Ever wonder why depression has increased along with the pacification of males through the Blue Pill?

The Blue Pill is the cause... if you become Red Pill the depression will go away.

There is no such thing as depressed "Amused Mastery".

...in other words the truth will reveal the beauty and you will be amused.

 

This massive increase in Blue Pill beta depression is by design, not by accident.

 

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[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, it's actually planned.

All throughout history the top people were tyrants... why would we think things are different today?

Things are the same... technology makes Blue Pill programming less expensive.

Until people wake up... this is a great time to be a globalist tyrant.

 

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If someone is looking for a "mentor," might I suggest following Casey Niestat on YouTube?

The man went from being a 17 year old father stuck in a trailer park to a multi-million dollar filmmaker with no formal education after high school. He uploads daily, and is one of the most inspiring/best people I've ever seen.

[–]hiaf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He's also a huge consumerist though, can't blame him though; he gets free shit and considering his upbringing his splurging is expected.

He really does a lot of shit during the day, which I guess can be motivating for most people to do more

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Go wheat-free for a quick fix.

[–]Dishmayhem-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man. I've been having an awful couple of weeks. This really helps.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Step ZERO, maybe it's not really depression but false thoughts - Byron Katie, http://www.thework.com/ . I have no ties with that post-wall woman, but her technique helped me very quickly a few times.



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