Run.

TheRedPike · 2019-02-06T16:07:14+00:00

Leaving this up because of the replies, but I agree it's low effort and not well researched.

atticusfinch1973 · 2019-02-05T22:37:45+00:00

I've been a running coach for 15 years. And even then I believe that long distance running is actually terrible for you long term unless you're adapted to it over a period of years (as some cultures are).

Most runners also do it way too much and all wrong in terms of form, which is why the rates of injury among runners is insanely high. It keeps me in business as a rehab coach. If you're young (as the OP obviously is) then you can get away with it. But once you hit a certain threshold the rate of injury skyrockets.

Interval work, short distance running and sprints are great for cardiovascular capacity, bone density and general fitness plus the endorphin rush you said, I don't disagree with you there.

And you didn't gain 15 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks.

whatdidshewrite · 2019-02-05T22:36:43+00:00

Long distance running outdoors is one of the shittiest forms of cardio for your joints

BlackPillDiet · 2019-02-06T16:35:38+00:00

Run

Hold Frame

Learn to shoot guns

Do MMA

Do boxing

Go to gym

Create your own business

Meditate

Travel to cool places and make candid DSLR photos

Party hard

Be social

Go rock climbing

Learn to play the guitar

... can TRP finally make up their minds? There are only 24 hours in a day.

SenorSwole · 2019-02-06T00:58:40+00:00

Please don’t post about shit like this if you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about

SeasonedRP · 2019-02-05T23:06:32+00:00

I've read pros and cons of distance running, and have done various types of it throughout my training history. My ortho isn't a fan of it long term, and I've seen lots of runners my age need knee and hip replacements. People will counter with "you have to use proper form." Maybe. What I found effective with strength training was doing 1-2 mile runs twice or three times per week, and sometimes substituting 400 meter or 800 meter intervals. I never had any joint problems from doing this, and it kept me in good shape. Instead of doing this, those with enough time could go to a boxing or MMA gym twice a week and get an excellent cardio workout. For those whose primary focus is strength training and who desire doing some form of long, steady state cardio, I'd use an elliptical or bike instead of pounding my joints on the pavement for 5 miles or more. I don't know if there's anything to this or not, but it strikes me that a muscular 200 lb athlete would absorb a lot more force than a 130 lb distance runner, and thus the former should do different forms of cardio.

SweatyAdvance · 2019-02-06T13:05:19+00:00

I logged in just to tell you OP you a full of shit. This is a low quality post and the mods need to remove it.

It gets you cut

No, it doesn't. Calorie deficit gets you cut.

Running will burn off excess fat

Running doesn't burn as many calories as you think. Better jump rope, or stair climb.

I was able to spend 6 weeks of this summer gaining 15 pounds, almost exclusively muscle

No you didn't, you fuckwit.

I’ve always been skinny or skinny-fat because of a fast metabolism

You don't have a fast metabolism. You are normal, like everyone else.

Quit your bullshit OP. You know nothing. And this post is trash.

Mods, remove this garbage.

GatienCash · 2019-02-06T06:20:29+00:00

Who the fuck is upvoting this shit post? Long-term running does NOT strengthen your joints, it just fucks your knees.

oldman_stone · 2019-02-06T01:47:44+00:00

I ran every day in the marines 5+ miles sometimes two times a day becuse i was weak and could not keep up the people juicing. My body was wreaked because of it. it took around 1 year for my body to stop hurting and then another year to at least work out.

surfthroughlife · 2019-02-05T22:38:35+00:00

Running a marathon was by far the most rewarding and challenging experience in my life. Whenever I'm in a tough challenge and discouraged, I remember that I ran 26.2 miles and tell myself I can do whatever the fuck I set my mind to.

WarriorMonkMode · 2019-02-06T04:36:26+00:00

Swim. Better for your joints. Running long-term fucks up your joints over time.

Gl0weN · 2019-02-05T23:45:06+00:00

I don't think you're experienced enough to talk about why body builders avoid running.

Running burns calories, to gain muscle and weight you need an excess amount of calories per day. 3000 calories, if you run that's around 2400 calories so not only do you not meet your goal but you do in fact hurt your muscle growth in the long run.

Pointless thread with useless ''facts''

Sumsar01 · 2019-02-06T07:00:59+00:00

Running is about the worst cardio you can do if your lifting seriusly. It's high impact so it will take a toll on recovery and your probably not that good at it.

graceful_aggression · 2019-02-05T22:45:46+00:00

Rigorous commitment to any sport, and gruelling training will undeniably solidify your frame and confidence. I can attest to point #3 with respect to triathlon, something I recommend if anyone wants to try. There's a good saying... "it doesn't get easier, you just get faster". Most non-pro, serious triathletes are working people and can't train 15+ hours like pros do. You have to fit in something like a 7-10hour training schedule, which means with less volume, you train with higher intensity. You really dig deep into a well measured, scientifically-sensical pain-cave, you train your mind-body connection under serious strain, and will experience how long that final 5 minutes can be on an interval day. 5am sessions and 2x a day become a norm. Training is meditative and puts you in a flow state; taking that next stroke, that next breath, that next step when you run. You will swim in open water, and cold water will be second nature over time. Weight lifting is also incorporated and on a more aesthetic side, you get a lean, cut, toned muscular look that is functional. Training with a club also is incredibly motivating, knowing that like you, there are others who also dig into that same pain cave like you do. Definitely give some form of endurance sport a go!

Andgelyo · 2019-02-05T23:47:16+00:00

Was about to post something similar. Thanks OP. Running/cardio has numerous benefits since it’s make you lose body fat (faster) and actually makes you somewhat “smarter” (improved brain function). I run at least a mile after my work outs and feel amazing.

Edit: I do HIIT, since i play loads of basketball and my body has been conditioned well enough

Ronaldo-CR7- · 2019-02-06T01:02:46+00:00

I get what your trying to say and I agree. However, your first point is a serious generalization and lacks details. Losing fat while not losing muscle is a lot more complex than you made it out to bed. The post is written with good intentions and is great advice but getting cut and retaining muscle is a lot more complicated.

whataccent · 2019-02-06T03:17:28+00:00

I almost exclusively cycle and use the elliptical as my primary workouts, as I rely on them when returning from a gym hiatus. I don't like the pounding of the treadmill and prefer short distances if running outside. I like to think I'm avoiding long-term damage, as the only pain I feel is the initial burn and when the hill setting on the elliptical is peaking. I transitioned from high cardio running to strenuous hill running, because the features were augmented. Last week I even did 65 minutes on the highest hill setting.

BobbyPeru · 2019-02-06T05:58:24+00:00

I’ve found building leg muscle gets you cut much better than running. 2 days a week of heavy squats along with 1 day a week of leg extensions and leg curls will build a ton of muscle, increase your testosterone, speed up your motabolism, and get your abs ripped.

purplecabbage · 2019-02-06T02:14:02+00:00

I used to run. Felt great but I was concerned about my joints. Now I cycle and it's awesome.

slappysq · 2019-02-06T08:19:41+00:00

Intervals ftw. Distance running is shit for gainz.

teabagabeartrap · 2019-02-06T14:17:26+00:00

Cycle!

please search and replace everything with cycle and I'm ok... except the hurt part. Cycling doesn't hurt :)

someonesopinion6969 · 2019-02-06T14:59:16+00:00

nope, there's a reason why TRP advocates lifting and not running.

running does feel fucking great on the legs but how much time and energy are you spending on replacing those calories? just get a job working in manual labour and you won't need to spend an hour running

MentORPHEUS · 2019-02-06T16:15:53+00:00

I ran cross country in High School. Ended up with shin splints. Now that I'm older it's hard on my knees too.

I've taken up obstacle course races the last couple of years. These are a great whole body physical challenge, and you're running for at most a mile between obstacles.

Eldudearino89 · 2019-02-07T18:07:31+00:00

Believe I'll stick with cycling...

SalporinRP · 2019-02-07T21:58:19+00:00

I wish I could stop long-distance running. I'm training for boxing and I fucking hate distance running but I have to build up a better cardio base.

I know that I'm in the process of fucking up my knees by the time I'm 55.

halfback910 · 2019-02-08T20:03:46+00:00

It increases your joint strength

But... that's the opposite of true.

TRP8myfeels · 2019-02-05T23:14:41+00:00

Running kick starts your brain in the morning and adds endurance and vitality to your day. I feel way better running every morning.

I wouldn't run more than 15 minutes though. I have been doing that for months now, today I started at 5 minutes. I am going to try that a week or two to see if I can use that extra five minutes lifting instead.

dukes1998 · 2019-02-06T01:41:04+00:00

Yeah, I highly doubt you put on 15 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks without gear or being a beginner. You also don’t “burn off more fat”. It doesn’t work that way.

Your other two points are solid, really no need to totally exaggerate the benefits of running in relation to putting on muscle and lifting because they’re totally different things and burning more calories during a bulk just means you have to eat more to make up for it.

Th3V3rg3 · 2019-02-06T03:32:21+00:00

Bike, running will fucking ruin your shit.

snowmoose1 · 2019-02-05T22:34:44+00:00

You cannot apply this training form to all types of people. A professional bodybuilder wouldn’t run because they do incline on a treadmill for 45min 3 times a week. You burn more fat than running consistently. Sprinting, HIIT intervals are most efficient cause you get proper fat burn for some hours after the training. It boils down to what you want to achieve. You don’t need cardio to get jacked. 80% of your results come from your hard work in the kitchen. Eat lean and clean and lift heavy you can skip running. Clears your mind as good as.

Stabiel · 2019-02-05T22:39:40+00:00

High velocity sprinting is better for your long term physique. Long distance running is bad for your knee health.

linkofinsanity19 · 2019-02-06T03:30:19+00:00

Jack Daniel's Running coach has a book called Daniel's Running Formula. It outlines the principles to making an effective running program. It got me to a faster mile now at 153 lbs than I could get 9 years ago in HS track at 135. I only run 3 days a week. I train for a fast mile and at most hit 15 miles in a week and my joints don't hurt.

Just saying "Run" is a bit too simplistic though, just like a lot (not all) of guys on here think that simply moving weights is enough to reach their physical goals. Sure you'll see improvements when starting from zero, but if you don't learn the basics, you only have yourself to blame when you stall with either running or lifting.

Running doesn't hurt lifting gains nearly to the degree most people preach, and if you have better endurance, it has plenty of transfer to sex, allowing you to go harder, longer, provided you don't cum.

Lift intelligently, run intelligently, eat intelligently, and achieve great things.

Infla-mood · 2019-02-06T08:30:12+00:00

Rowing machine all the way. My knees and ankles are fucked.

RPSilverfox · 2019-02-06T10:33:01+00:00

I lift and I ride my Cannondale. Never enjoyed running and after hearing about runners who have joint problems glad I never did.

liberty1127 · 2019-02-06T12:24:07+00:00

Anyone with a basic understanding of physiology would know you did not gain even close to 15 lba of muscle in 6 weeks. Maybe 6 lbs at most. The rest is likely water retained due to increased glycogen stores because you are actually eating a lot of carbs. Also...fat...because you cannot gain only muscle. You gain fat and muscle at the same time usually.

canadianhousecoat · 2019-02-06T13:17:09+00:00

I've been running on and off not due to fitness but due to sheer necessity for my career of choice and unless its necessary for a certain goal I wouldn't reccomend it at all if you're trying to gain mass or if you have anything related to lower back pain or chronic joint pain.

On the other hand find a spin class or get onto a bike... All the cardio benefits with none of the joint pain.... and depending on the class women swarm them.

3 weeks ago I benched 300 lbs now I'm down too 250 max. I've begun to run distance again and lost a lot of upper body gains... Like with everything you need to choose your balance and what you're willing to change.

Not everyone will agree with me, but that's my 2 cents.

swampbastard1415 · 2019-02-06T13:42:46+00:00

I love running but have largely cut it out and only use it as a rare stress reliever. I purely lift and do BJJ now. The reason bodybuilders minimize cardio is because it sends the wrong signal to your body, it signals a catabolic state rather than an anabolic state. This is as I understand it, please post evidence against this if you have it.

MattyAnon · 2019-02-06T15:31:37+00:00

Running ruins your joints.

I agree that cardio is great, but high impact exercise has long term detrimental effects. Find a better way to get fit.

BetamaxOrVHS · 2019-02-06T16:13:32+00:00

this reads like a chinese knock-off heathcliff-- post

xNightly · 2019-02-06T17:18:56+00:00

I'm not really a fan of running but I absolutely love swimming and skipping ropes. I find those to be better alternatives.

rogerramjetz · 2019-02-06T19:23:49+00:00

I experimented with running, jogging and HIIT along with weights.

At first I was just doing steady state and kept building up to an hour solid. Then I kept pushing up the speed 8KM/HR, 9KM/HR until I nearly got to 10KM/HR for a whole hour. I found that it fucked me for days afterwards for no real advantage.

Then I tried HIIT with spurts between 10 and 17KM/HR. This also fucked my joints even though the intervals were short.

I now just stick to slow steady state because I simply enjoy it and it doesn't take a toll on my joints. I do 7KM/HR for an hour twice a week and add in 15-20 minutes at that speed after some weight sessions. Anything faster than about 8KM/HR fucks my joints (I'm almost 40). This rules out HIIT for me.

One of the better articles I have found around benefits of long steady state sessions is around cardiac stroke volume benefits - http://muaythaipros.com/how-training-like-a-traditional-thai-boxer-matches-modern-training-methods/ (I haven't trained Muay Thai for a few years, but it's interesting regardless).

Also, slow average pace for a few hours a week shows the lowest rates of mortality - https://fitness.stackexchange.com/questions/31597/hiit-vs-steady-state-long-term-health-effects ...

Weights and diet is still king for body composition but cardio still had a place to work the energy systems and for stress relief etc.

lespaul134 · 2019-02-06T17:05:16+00:00

I'm a personal trainer, certified etc experience etc.

Running fucks your muscle gains. If you run, your body will break down excess muscle tissue in order to make you a better runner. If you lift heavy shit, your body will develop muscle to make you better at lifting heavy shit.

If running becomes a frequent hobby, say goodbye to your legs, and your arms wont reach their potential fullness.

Also, running is one of the highest risk activities for injury, especially trail running, which is the most fun kind of running IMO.

Even when done correctly, there are still a fuckton of knee, back, and ankle injuries that are caused from running.

That said, I love to run and do it once in a while. Few things are so satisfying.

However, HIIT is much more effective at cutting weight and does not affect muscle loss at all, it can even help gain.

ZercherSquat · 2019-02-07T22:43:49+00:00

Absolute fucking trash post. Running is shit. I run to catch a metro or when I need to vent off.
The usual running on an unnaturally flat surface in weirdly over teched air max shoes is absolute waste of time.

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CockPrevails · 2019-02-06T07:31:51+00:00

Swimming is better if you can manage it. I am finally moving into a sweet apartment that has a pool in the building and I intend to swim everyday for my cardio.

Running ruins your joints, particularly pounding on cement. All that endurance running theory is bullshit. We sprint, we trap, and we kill from afar. We are not the world's best endurance animal. Throwing rocks and spears made us into insane apex predators, not walking after animals until they died of dehydration.

If you are at all active outside you are probably taking unnecessary joint damage already. Anyone thinking about joining the army will get them destroyed by marching. You don't need to pre-destroy them.

Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ · 2019-02-05T23:19:47+00:00

Looking at fitness through a mechanistic, materialist "what is in it for me" point of view is contradictory to the concept of fitness. There is no economic scale or graph that's ever going to show you the profit of spending endless amounts of hours in a self induced pain area. Especially when you take into consideration your boss would rather have you work after hours and then make you take his friends anti-depressants to cope with unfavorable conditions.

Take a super depressed teen. What do you think is on his mind? Video games, "hmm... masturbation" and anxiety. Give him something to believe in because he sure as fuck doesn't believe in himself. Give him a good o'l Muslim concept of paradise. He doesn't believe in himself but Paradise doesn't care, you either get the job done or not. Tell him he has to reach a 3 plate bench, 5 plate squat, 6 plate deadlift. He has no excuses. Either hes going to make himself get to that level or suffer in hell as the eternal cuck.

Sometimes hell is on earth and sometimes you feel like in paradise too. Being the pushover who has a brain fart every time hes met with an challenge is what happens to the eternal cuckold. He also has to witness a never ending simulation of his "girlfriends" getting fucked in the ass while hes working overtime. Hes probably aware "his wife" is sleeping with other men but knows she is his only hope at getting sex so he will ignore it until one day she cucks you off your cuckwage and maybe children too, assuming you're not castrated from all those beers you drank to "relax".

The choice is yours. Either you're going to be the eternal cuckold or Chad who stands by his principles, feels good from his inner narrative and gets views from women but dosen't care because his sense of masculinity comes from within and cannot be validated with material objects but ideals he lives up to.

Title	Run.
Author	TheRedPike
Upvotes	18
Comments	101
Date	February 5, 2019 10:10 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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