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Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home Because of a Clearly False DV Allegation.

JimBobDwayne

August 16, 2016
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Title Man Refuses to Allow a Homeless Woman to Stay with Him; Loses his Job, his Car, and nearly his Home Because of a Clearly False DV Allegation.
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JimBobDwayne

Upvotes 2172
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Date August 16, 2016 1:27 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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[–]BDMR_lurker 490 points491 points492 points 9 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Just wow.

All the effects of DV + rape, without the living together, the violence and the rape.

A woman can now simply point to a man she wants destroyed.

Justice is indeed blind, punishing in all equality the guilty and the innocent.

.

And hats off to this man for saying "Fuck you, see you in court."

The justice system needs accountability. For its own good. Which is not the good of judges and cops, but the good of the nation.

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points103 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

worst part is she got off scot free for lying. how is this even possible? what if i ran around and started accusing random people, especially rich people of crimes? i would get shit on right? so why do women get to make up rape and dv accusations and get off every time? there has to be consequences to lying or they're going to keep lying. that's why there are so many false cases of it right now.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

A better comparison would be if you went around flat out attacking people.

[–]Ransal 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Like this woman?
She was actually let go after assaulting someone, it took a 2nd attack to arrest her finally. Black Privilege in action (it was a hate crime, both times).

[–]SantaIsRealEh 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Black Privilege

Is that a thing now?

[–]Ransal 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Has been for at least 50 years. We just don't talk about it because as long as they don't accuse us of something we're not guilty of we don't see the need to bring it up.

[–]kingkumquat 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah like reverse racism

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[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Reverse-racism does not even make sense as a term.

[–]pokemon_fetish 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I call it Revenge Racism.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Reversed-racism would make sense.

[–]HugoBorden 184 points185 points186 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman can now simply point to a man she wants destroyed.

Releasing the toxic femininity. That's what our corrupt social system does.

[–]locuester 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex pulled a false DV charge on me. I just walked away from it assuming she'd seek reconciliation. She never spoke to me again, took our house, and remarried.

Luckily I just turned my back. I have no doubt she was itching to throw me in jail. Completely heartless and entitled to treat a human as a disposable tool.

[–]MythArcana 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And women frequently enjoy destroying random men. It's what they are good at doing, and do it so well.

[–]Sh_doubleE_ran 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It reminds me of a Kevin Spacey movie......The Life of David Gale

[+][deleted] -161 points-160 points-159 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

He wasn't charged with DV or rape.

[–]BCFR 183 points184 points185 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter one bit, Bizneria. A false accusation ruined this mans life: lost job, lost face, lost car, and almost lost his house. This is the power that women have today. As a former LEO I got to see this firsthand.

[–]ABC_Florida 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This ought to happen to more and more women (the reverse situation). Else lawmakers and society won't give a shit.

[–]samsc2 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup. Like I'm pretty sure that female justice of the supreme Court tried to rape me in this dream I had the other day which I'm fairly certain happened in real life at some point in time. Probably need to arrest her so she will stop trying to touch my thingy.

[–]Armigedon 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry rape needs penetration.

You were penetrated? You probably liked it fag.

/s

[–]kragshot 70 points71 points72 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

He was just accused of it and that accusation was enough to destroy this man's entire life.

House; nearly gone.

Job; gone.

Car; gone.

Financial standing; ruined.

All because of a lie that the "unnamed" woman in the article told just because the man didn't do what she wanted him to do.

But you go ahead and keep trying to defend this bullshit.

[–]BDMR_lurker 109 points110 points111 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, he wasn't charged at all.

And the pusnishment for the charge of "nothing at all" is no home, no job and no car. And a punch in the face.

I am not a law-maker. But still somehow feels a tad wrong, don't you think?

.

Seriously, the ability to use the justice system to arbitrarily destroy an individual with no cause, no recourse and no consequence (to the accuser, the cop, the judge) is supposed to be a hallmark of tyranny.

Or am I just very wrong?

[–]factsmakeyoumad 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off, misandrist. And the reasons why are already typed many times in response to you so I won't labor them again.

[+]RagingAlien -15 points-14 points-13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No reason to be that rude towards the person - even if they are wrong.

[–]HugoBorden 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the person wasn't expelled from the sub--as would have surely happened in feminist subs. Now, that's real rude.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The accusations themselves fucked his life. It doesn't matter if he was charged, idiot.

[–]blueoak9 150 points151 points152 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The fact that it was even investigated when it clearly was baseless just by legal definition says a lot about the institutional burdens men live under.

But at least: "Despite the woman’s clams that Cruz hit her in the face and threw her on the coffee table, Cruz was cleared of any wrongdoing: According to the deputy’s offense report, the woman had not a mark to show for it, and everything on the table, including a chess set, was neatly in order. In his report, the deputy mentions he punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.”

They figured out before his life was fully destroyed.

[–]CornyHoosier 72 points73 points74 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In his report, the deputy mentions he punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.”

This is good information to know for future instances of tense situations ....

You know, when I smile-lie to my boss ("The damn A/C unit's air is flowing so strong it must have knocked a cable loose) it doesn't cost someone their stability or freedom in life and he knows I'm lying because it's tongue in cheek.

How an educated judge with years of experience and knowledge can listen to a police officer say this about some old dude: "punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.” .... and not see what happened is beyond me.

[+]CHAINMAILLEKID -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that it was even investigated when it clearly was baseless just by legal definition says a lot about the institutional burdens men live under.

No it doesn't.

Its a good thing the officer responded to the call.

And its a good thing the officer followed through. You'd want to get whatever the woman was going to say on record, regardless of whether you think they're telling the truth or not.

[–]Electroverted 122 points123 points124 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

...And a shitty, excessive cop and a bureaucratic court system.

[–]IcanYOLOtwice 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I live in Harris County; the police here do "welfare checks" for DV calls as opposed to places like Oregon or Washington where police are legally obligated to make an arrest when DV is suspected.

While the lady was wrong, I think an overzealous police officer and a debtor's-prison like jail system are the real culprits here.

[–]876876ghgfhfg78676 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Oregon or Washington where police are legally obligated to make an arrest when DV is suspected.

The Pacific Northwest is a radioactive sludgepit of toxic femininity and white knight man-is-bad laws.

[–]SilasDG 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a 25yr (then 22yr) old guy living in Oregon I sat with my sister and I cried on our porch one night at about 10PM after my mother claimed she was going to commit suicide for the 3rd time in a week. The police hadn't listened to us (5 different people) the first few times and she denied it every time. She said would say she was going to "drive into a telephone pole or another car" and get in her car and and speed off. Another time that week she claimed she would let the "max" (transit railway) hit her and rode off on her bike. Without video evidence or her admittance though they couldn't do anything. They simply told her to have a good night and went on their way

Finally the 3rd threat of suicide rolled around and she called my phone letting me know she had actually rode off after mixing a bunch of prescription drugs. The police finally found her and she was taken to a hospital to have her stomach pumped.

That night I sat on the porch and cried after filling my sister in who lived out of town. Our neighbors across the street called in a DV claim. The cops showed up and told me a neighbor heard someone crying and called in a DV. I explained it was me and that it was because of the stress from the day. They had records of the previous calls for my mother and while they believed me they said I either had the choice to leave for the night, or be arrested as once a dv is called in they must split the two up.

So all in all 5 people claim a women is a danger to herself and possibly others, nothing can be done without "proof" in Oregon. However if a DV claim is made, the law MUST intervene in Oregon.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

legally obligated to make an arrest

What every happened to cops having discretion.

[–]876876ghgfhfg78676 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

VAWA and the Duluth Model.

If a woman is violent, it is ALWAYS self-defense and a reaction to a man (the patriarchy).

This is our law now (thanks Bernie!)

[–]locks_are_paranoid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is our law now (thanks Bernie!)

Did Sanders actually advocate for that law?

[–]Mashiki 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did Sanders actually advocate for that law?

Yes and for it's renewal.

[–]EclipseClemens -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Thanks Obama"

This is what you sound like.

[–]876876ghgfhfg78676 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you had followed the campaign, you would know that Bernie was attacked for his stance on assault rifles, which came as part of a rider on the VAWA, which he proclaimed was one of the chief accomplishments of his career and was worth the concession on assault rifles.

""

This is what you sound like. Do you need to see your words on screen and compulsively type?

[–]samsc2 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's both. It's the mentality that women have that says they can do no wrong or ever be held accountable for their actions because at some point they were just too emotional and were just needing help(cue crocodile tears). It's also on the cops/DA to arrest as many people as possible so they can have a great record of fighting crime and making a difference but also to cover their own ass when in case they made a mistake on not arresting. Think about the overblown bullshit blowback from the public if they didn't arrest a guy once and he hurt or killed the woman. They would literally be blamed for it because they somehow didn't know how to see into the future or read peoples minds. The public doesn't use their brains in these situations they only think with their emotions because we don't like seeing our moms cry which passes on to other women that we see crying. Just a natural empathetic response routed in a lack of logic during stressful situations.

[–]Shanguerrilla 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are EXACTLY right!

[–]HugoBorden 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about the overblown bullshit blowback from the public if they didn't arrest a guy once and he hurt or killed the woman.

The bullshit blowback can only happen if the local media incites it. And we know who controls the media. Ultimately, all these things are manipulated from the top.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While the lady was wrong

She deliberately lied, and she should be charged with filing a false police report and possibly perjury.

[–]YottaWatts91 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welppppp might be going to Texas... not there.

[–]Devilsgun 171 points172 points173 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's monstrous on so many levels, and it all starts with a lying fucking cunt and a power-tripping White Knight asshole with a badge and a gun.

[–]CapnSheff 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That literally describes my situation just recently

[–]disayle32 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you mind elaborating?

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[–]Alarid 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That cop needs to be given paid leave

[–]fiercealmond 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just following your everyday punch-em-in-the-face procedure.

[–]nugscree 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop resisting!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He needs for all evidence and record of the incident to be coincidentally destroyed before the court date.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm not familiar with US law, but can the department get sued for the actions of one individual? Unless they were previously aware of their instability but did not act on it, why is the entire department to blame?

As for the individual, I completely agree. Flagrant abuse of power in such a position should not be excused, and such an individual does not deserve a second chance in that line of work.

[–]TheKingOfTCGames 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

because the department enabled them to do that. if you vest in someone the ability to use force at will it's your responsibility to vet him and pay for his damages.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't quite know if I agree with that though. If I teach someone how to fight and then they go and beat people up, should I be blamed for the individual's actions? If you say no (as I would) then the same principle should transfer to the police department as well.

[–]wisty 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're running a martial arts club, and one of your senior students is beating the shit out of a junior student, and you do nothing to stop it, it's your fault.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I do nothing to stop it, I am at fault. I agree completely.

Going back to this scenario, the cop acted out of line. If the department were to reprimand him appropriately (fire him or whatever), should they still be held responsible?

[–]EclipseClemens 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a false comparison. Of you train a person to fight and then pay him to go out and fight, you are the person who motivated the fight. The police are training cops as fighters. They are paying them to get into fights, among other things. Therefore the wrongdoing of the cops is motivated by the payroll of each cop. The department is ergo responsible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I do appreciate that you're actually explaining where you think I've erred, instead of just saying I'm wrong.

But isn't your comparison false as well? No one pays the police to go and fight someone. They're trained to be able to fight if need be, but their job is the enforce the law, and while I'm not sure how it's worded, I'm pretty sure in the US they're supposed to use the minimal amount of force required.

The only way I'd agree with your sentiment is if the act of hurting someone was positively reinforced, but this is demonstrably not the case, as cops who do abuse their power are reprimanded or let go.

[–]EclipseClemens 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like every swat raid is explicitly violent. Doors are blasted apart. Dogs are shot. Flashbangs go off in a crib next to a baby. Then they drag anything they find out and do a huge media pat on the back for the "12 pounds of drugs" that turn out to be just 3 trays of weed brownies. They get huge re-enforcement for use of violence, and are only reprimanded when they are caught on film being agregious. They can choke a man to death in broad daylight and get a paid vacation. If I work as a bus boy and fuck up some plates I get yelled at. If a cop chokes a man to death on film, they get nothing that bad. Sure people are upset and will yell, but they are still employed and get 2 weeks to do anything they want while they're still collecting pay.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well first off, it's a huge stretch to connect what's happened here to a swat raid.

Second, officers using excessive force and getting away with it is not commonplace. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but to act like that's the norm is extreme. Have you ever seen one of those videos where a streamer is swatted? Most of the time, the cops are just being extremely careful, and as soon as they realize it's safe, they go back to normal.

[–]TheKingOfTCGames 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

its not only that they are taught they are paid and given the authority to use force on civilians. if they are corrupt it is your fault.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But aren't they only given the authority to use that force when necessary? Police are not supposed to go any further than that, and are often punished when they do. Granted, when they are not, the department should then be punished for it, but I'm just questioning if they should be inherently responsible for the actions of an officer.

[–]TheKingOfTCGames 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

nah they are given blanket immunity basically.

no one else in the country has the authority to use force with the backing of the government like cops.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Every time I've heard a story about a police officer shooting a civilian in the past year, the officer has been suspended at the least until investigation takes place. I feel like there's a disconnect between what I've experienced and what you're describing to me.

[–]TheKingOfTCGames 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

suspended with pay is not prosecution, they go suspended with pay->internal investigation->cleared of wrong doing. and most of these cases dont make it to the media.

[–]rattamahatta 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His superior should be fired, too.

[–]Mashiki -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that the cop didn't do anything wrong, he followed the law as he was required to do. And he also likely followed the internal policy of the police force, which required him to do that.

A lot of people don't realize that once you are a member of a police force that there are internal policies which you must follow or they lay charges against you for failing to follow said policies. In the end, it likely led them to be backed into a corner of "do this, or you're the one being charged."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The law required him to punch an innocent man in the face?

[–]Mashiki -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. But I didn't say that either, maybe you missed that?

[–]wisty 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which cop? Deputy R. Delgado, who punched him in the face, and forcibly removed him from his home?

In his report, the deputy mentions he punched Cruz to “get control of the scene.”

“I thought once a judge saw me, and especially after seeing my eye, she would think, What was the reason for all that?” Cruz said. “I did not hurt that [officer] — I did nothing to him. When he punched me, I did not look at him as a police officer anymore. I looked at him as a thug.”

Sounds like the deputy is guilty of assault, and they were trying to find something to charge the victim with to justify the brutality.

Gilbert Cruz said he does not want an apology from the Harris County sheriff’s deputy who punched him in the face and arrested him. He said he does not want an apology from his court-appointed defense attorney, Abel Izaguirre, for failing to put more pressure on prosecutors to drop the case sooner. And he does not want an apology from anyone on the outside world who stripped him of his livelihood.

Cruz wants to win a civil lawsuit against the county so he can be repaid for everything he has lost, and he wants his arrest expunged from his record so that he can go on with his life.

Sounds fair.

[–]unbelievablepeople 80 points81 points82 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely horrifying. And remember, guys, this can happen to any of us. Some of us might be able to afford bail and better lawyers and get out of jail more quickly, but not one of us is immune from being arrested for a false claim of domestic violence.

[–]HugoBorden 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not one of us is immune from being arrested for a false claim of domestic violence.

That's for sure.

[–]Alarid 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Set up camera's around your house, especially the bedroom. Making a porno that you might get sued over is better than risking a jail sentence.

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[–]badwig 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This guy was on station cctv and just walked by a woman during rush hour and ended up in arrested and prosecuted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12144963/Commuter-who-walked-past-actress-at-Waterloo-station-cleared-of-bizarre-sex-assault-claim.html

So you aren't really safe anywhere. Crazy women, police, judiciary and social services destroy the lives of men all the time. There seems to be a sort of mass psychosis occurring. If I meet a woman when I am out strolling through the countryside I get a really weird 'rapist' vibe from their wide eyed nervous body language. I think a lot of women are unhealthily obsessed with such scenarios.

[–]I_Need_A_Fork 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I meet a woman when I am out strolling through the countryside I get a really weird 'rapist' vibe from their wide eyed nervous body language.

it might be the bad wig.

[–]badwig 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dad? I thought you passed away?

[–]HugoBorden 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There seems to be a sort of mass psychosis occurring.

Yes, and I'm sure it's all going according to some plan.

[–]Lurker_IV 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He is Mark Pearson. He spoke at the ICMI London 2016

10 July 2016: Conference - Mark Pearson, 'Facing my Waterloo'

[–]AcidJiles 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"The CCTV did not conclusively prove there was any form of physical contact between the two strangers"

And we are done, this is point the CPS should stop and not progress with the case or any case. There was no other evidence, no witnesses and no forensic evidence. We actually have video evidence of the lack of evidence and yet because every man is a potential rapist they must continue. WTF is wrong with the CPS.

[–]badwig 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As the guy said a Kafkaesque nightmare, except it is now real life for men.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if he had a camera, it wouldn't have helped since he would have to wait until his trial anyway. It would help in most other cases, but not in this specific one.

[–]rockidol 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That seems kind of paranoid to me.

[–]COVERartistLOL 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Nine weeks later, he would find that his Infiniti car had been repossessed, that he owed $15,000 to the company that auctioned off the car because it sold undervalue, that the apartment management was threatening to evict him and he owed $954 in late fees, and that his job as a contractor with the U.S. Census Bureau was gone.

Wow, all over a made up lie. An is that even legal? Can the company that repossessed his car force him to pay that much, cause of there mistake? An not that I'm doubting this, but are there any other sources?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From my understanding, what the car company has done is legal because the US legal system does not have a way to handle this correctly. The same goes for his place of residence. It just points to yet another hole in the legal system.

To put it another way: From the company's perspective, he's just another guy who hasn't paid his fees for months. They don't know about his being in jail, and the court is under no obligation to tell the company to cut him some slack.

[–]Mens-Advocate 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The US seems to lack the concept of force majeure.

[–]Armigedon 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I would sue her as well for all costs incurred.

[–]TheHaleStorm 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She's fucking homeless, what is he going to get, her urine soaked cardboard box?

Far too many times people making these false claims and in addition filing bullshit lawsuots, have nothing. That way, when shit goes side ways for them, they are never held liable in any way shape or form.

[–]Armigedon 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The report said formerly homeless while some comments say that she was his neighbor.

Either way, I'd get a judgement just to get one even if it in small claims court.

[–]garglemesh42 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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What is this?

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[–]Armigedon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is why I said, "even if."

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And, by being a woman, she had many services available to her, and still chose to fuck someone's life up.

What a cunt. She'll go virtually unpunished, too.

[–]HugoBorden 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She'll go virtually unpunished, too.

She might get some feminist prize yet...

[–]DangZagnut 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another nameless "victim" will end up doing this over and over with no penalty .

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess I should retain a lawyer, and get a webcam. Thanks women.

[–]Riley325 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember that story of the guy who filmed girls he brought home. One ended up saying he forced her because she didnt want to tell her boyfriend. He just showed the video of her being fully into it and it was done.

Its a really smart idea to install some kind of home surveillance. a whole setup will seem like nothing after the first allegation.

[–]DoItLive247 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What isn't clear is if the woman was ever allowed in the residence in the first place.

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[–]locks_are_paranoid 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It says she was a neighbor.

It also says she was homeless.

[–]HasNoCreativity 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was a neighbor until she became homeless.

[–]HungryMoose1 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So the cop asked him to leave his own apartment? Why was he in there in the first place? Then he says I'd rather not leave, maybe you can interview her outside and he receives a punch to the face and 9 weeks of quarantine in jail? Holy shit, I wouldn't stop suing them until the day I died if that happened to me.

[–]osufan765 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell yeah. The job I lost would be my last one. Every single thing I ever did for the rest of my life would be on the dime of that police force.

[–]ABC_Florida 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not worth to trust anyone. Women like this thug want to be the center of the Universe. They don't give a fuck about other people or society.

[–]chambertlo 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell me again how men have it easier in society when a woman can just point to him and accuse him of something he had no intention of doing. Go on, try to convince me that women have it harder than men. I will wait while your face turns blue from exhaustion.

[–]Santaball 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

My God, this is why MGTOW is the future.

[–]harleypig 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This kind of thing doesn't care if you're mgtow or not. Frankly, I think the more mgtow becomes a thing the more this kind of thing will happen. Mainly because their usual targets will not be around.

[–]Santaball 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. If she was never in his house this wouldn't have happened. Women seem so dangerous now.

[–]harleypig 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You mean like the guy who served 28 years for rape because the woman dreamed it was him, even though they never had any interaction other than she saw him around the neighborhood?

Even if he refused to open the door, if she accused him of dv and the same kind of cop responded, the end result would have been the same.

[–]Santaball 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, you do have a point. Then what's the solution?

[–]Planner_Hammish 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

get politically involved to stop the madness, and donate to causes like CAFE.

[–]harleypig 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't have one. I don't foresee this getting better for some time.

In fact, I think it'll get much worse, at least until a majority of men see things as they are. Especially men in the legal system. Not just cops, but lawyers, judges, bailiffs and co's. Once they understand this and find something else to focus their guardian tendencies we'll start to see some systemic changes.

It will also require women to start seeing the negative effects they are causing by this behavior.

Keep in mind, it took feminism 100 years to get to where they could actively control the system. And it only took another 20 until they had mutilated it. So don't plan on less than decades and generations.

[–]Santaball 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why I was saying MGTOW was the only way to really change things. I also think it'll continue to get worse and worse until it becomes so bad that men just can't deal with women at all. Not even associate with them. Then I think there will be change but I just don't think you can change this kind of thing by normal means. I mean misandry is so common in society that it's just normal. Women can beat a guy in public and receive the benefit of the doubt for it. I mean Geeze it's like we're really second class citizens. I dunno man, I might be lost but to me, it's easier to give them what they want and let the fish swim away without the bicycle. Not worth the risk or my effort.

[–]StopTop 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not women, it's the law.

[–]requisiterectangle -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Men have always gone their way and always will. "Men going their own way" is just trying to sound dramatic. Ironically, it's cringe-y girl-speak.

[–]Santaball 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What is cringy girl speak?

[–]requisiterectangle -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It's either of 2 things: It's what men hear when a woman is grammatically liberal, or, it's statements person makes because that person is acting out the way they want to feel, for example "omg carlos bought me flowers, I can't believe how sweet he is" and it's like "Anybody would buy you effing flowers without giving you a black eye last week." Anyways what we're looking at is something like the latter.

[–]Santaball 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Cringy girl speak is acting the way they want to feel? Man I'm sorry that makes no sense. There's nothing dramatic about the statement, "men going their own way"

[–]requisiterectangle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

want to feel, not actually feel. Or want to be perceived to be feeling. There are many ways to describe it. It's just straight-up delusion. It's being rhetorically liberal. "I want a guy who does X" we all want to do X, you just want the guy you like to do X. Or when a girl says " STEM is a boys club!" Did you want to join stem? Why didn't you?

'Men going their own way' sounds more dramatic than 'men' or 'men being themselves'. It's saying "we're going our own way, we're not going someone else's way, because someone else is trying to make us go their way, so we're resisting them, and that outcome is uncertain between all!". suspense, surprise, drama.

[–]omegaphallic 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully he sues they're asses off.

[–]AVAtistar 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

She is homeless.

[–]brzcory 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

She started it, but the police are fully to blame for the events that happened after that.

The decision to not talk to her in the hall was their call. They fucked it up. Could've ended the right way (with her being taken away), but they decided to power trip.

[+]MJZMan -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

The police are to blame for punching Cruz, but it's somewhat understandable about the "where to talk to her" deal. The cop has no idea who these people are or what their relationship is. For all they know, Cruz could be trying to use the police to help evict a legal resident.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're telling me they couldn't have asked for ID or some sort of verification? That's a cockshit excuse. They don't have an idea and to escalate the situation in such a manner is deplorable.

[–]MJZMan -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure they could ask for ID. When she responds "I don't have it on me" or "I lost it" or any number of other unverifiable excuses for not having ID on you, what does the officer do then? Even if she has ID, that the current address isn't listed isn't proof she doesn't legally belong there. Suppose she just moved and hasn't had the opportunity to update her ID info? Again, I'm not justifying the attack on Cruz and the BS he went through, but the officer not removing the woman because "Cruz said so" is justifiable. He has no way of discerning whether she legally belongs there until he can talk to her. So it's best to play it safe (from his point of view) and interview the woman inside.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're pulling hairs.

Lets go through your excuses to prove how ridiculous they are:

I lost it

"Do you have any other form of identification that can prove you belong here?"

I recently moved here.

"Can you provide me with a shred of evidence that this is your home?"

I don't have it on me

"Ma'am, the other gentleman has provided us with proper documentation. I'll have to ask you to step outside."

Having moved several times due to the nature of my work I can guarantee you I've always had evidence I belonged wherever I claimed I was staying at the time. Even if I arrived a few minutes ago.

He has many ways to discern according to his judgement and intuition that perhaps something is amiss.

Until he can talk to her

Okay, talk to her outside of my home. Here's my ID, here's my bills, here's my mail, here's my car note. Ask her for the same.

[–]harleypig 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This does not explain the cop man handling him out of the residence and then punching him in the face.

[–]MJZMan -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not justifying any of the cops actions aside from not immediately forcing the woman to leave.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Refusing to let a cop enter your home is protected by the constitution.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, without a warrant anyway.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which he didn't have.

[–]MJZMan -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The article doesn't say whether or not Cruz refused entry to the police officer. It actually reads as if he initially allowed the officer in, but then wanted the officer to take the woman outside. So the beef wasn't concerning the police entering the residence, the beef was the police not removing the women from the residence. I'm just saying that given he had just walked into a D.V. situation, with no knowledge of the people involved or their history, a strong case can be made for the police officer not forcing the woman outside.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The owner of a residence has the right to revoke consent at any time. Also, what possible harm could come from taking the women outside?

[–]MJZMan 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How does the police officer know who the owner is? Should he accept Cruz's word at face value?

As for possible harm, the police officer was responding to a domestic violence call made by the woman against the man. Removing the complainant from the scene gives the suspect the opportunity to mess with the scene.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How does the police officer know who the owner is?

He could have looked at the address on Cruz's ID.

[–]MJZMan 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which proves nothing. The ID could be fake. It could be out-of-date (Cruz may have moved out without changing it yet).

That said, he certainly could/should have looked at it as part of his investigation, but by itself it proves nothing.

[–]DallasTruther 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cruz wants to win a civil lawsuit against the county so he can be repaid for everything he has lost

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

god damn that fucking white knighting fuck. make a man leave his own house so he can talk to that woman. what the fuck? even if that woman did live there, the cop can not make him leave his own fucking house. that is abuse of power. you don't get to go into someone's home and make them leave unless you're arresting them for something.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lone voice in the wilderness...

[–]rockdiamond 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's DV allegations? I wish it was in the title cuz I don't know what it is.

[–]natwwal23 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

domestic violence

[–]autotldr 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 92%. (I'm a bot)


His attorney told him he could be out of jail in ten days if he took the plea deal - but 58-year-old Gilbert Cruz refused, saying he wasn't going to plead guilty to something he didn't do.

On May 14, after a Harris County sheriff's deputy arrived at Cruz's northwest Houston apartment, he asked Cruz to leave the apartment so he could interview the woman alone.

Cruz wants to win a civil lawsuit against the county so he can be repaid for everything he has lost, and he wants his arrest expunged from his record so that he can go on with his life.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: Cruz#1 County#2 jail#3 bail#4 Harris#5

[–]bigoted_bill 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why did he allow a homeless woman to stay with him. I wonder in the eyes of the law of she was a resident because she was allowed access to that home, was she mentally ill maybe? This is terrifying.... I posted in a video yesterday that you should always stay away from women that are in the midst of an emotional episode because someone will automatically assume you did something wrong. Of course I was downvoted into oblivion but this is another example of how not having a dick affords you the benefit of the doubt every time.

[–]Wiiboy95 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you read the article, it's clear he didn't let her stay with him.

[–]bigoted_bill 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I read it and the lack of details on what originally happened was why I was asking.

[–]Wiiboy95 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I presume that she came to his door, he said no, so she called the cops

[–]HugoBorden 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why did he allow a homeless woman to stay with him.

I don't think she was staying with him. She was apparently his neighbour who became homeless. She may have asked him to let her stay, but he refused. She made up a crazy story, and police came. From then on, it became the abuse of power by a policeman who was on a power trip. Then it became the court system failure to allow bail. Then, after a long time, he was released from jail without charges.

His case is now taken up by those who fight injustice in the court/bail system.

[–]YottaWatts91 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Arn't the police suppose to be a little careful with things like this down in Texas?

Holy fuck.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"B-b-but women never lie about rape!! That's just an MRA myth!"

[–]uber_neutrino 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

His mistake was not hiring a lawyer.

I don't care what people say but you ALWAYS hire a lawyer whether you can "afford" it or not. You can't afford not to have your own.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A lawyer wouldn't have mattered since he didn't have enough money for bail anyway.

[–]TheHaleStorm 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lawyer might have been able to get it reduced or waived.

The legal system is a fucking game. If you play along, you get to slide through. If not, you can go fuck your self.

You know why traffic court attorneys have such high success rates? Because they go in, tell the judge if they drop this ticket or charge their client will pay court fees. Court gets their money, there is less paperwork for everyone, and it is done in 10 minutes. Good luck if you hire one of those hucksters because you have proof you were in the right, they will still push you to agree to pay the court fees.

[–]uber_neutrino -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

A lawyer would have mattered. A good lawyer could have used the fact that he doesn't have the money to get him released.

Anyone who doesn't hire a lawyer when arrested is a total moron.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who doesn't hire a lawyer when arrested is a total moron.

Most lawyers don't take cases pro bono. Also, what about public defenders?

[–]uber_neutrino 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get that paying for the lawyer is going to suck. But it won't suck as much as what happened to this guy.

Public defenders are almost universally crap. They just want to plead your case out ASAP. They work for the state, not you.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I get that paying for the lawyer is going to suck.

I doubt a lawyer will represent you without proof that you can pay them.

[–]uber_neutrino 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a separate issue. If someone is so destitute and has such a small support system that they literally can't convince a lawyer to represent them then they have a bunch of other problems on top. I suppose in that case you get fucked.

However, I would highly encourage people to find a way to get some representation. Even if you have to go into hock to do it.

[–]Tymerc 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Another story of where if the guy decided to go gut her like a fish and dump her in a lake I would have absolutely no problems with it.

So tired of seeing men having their lives destroyed because of how easy it is for women to falsely accuse them of things. I plan to spend my life single, but I doubt even that's 100% accusation immunity.

[–]crazyex 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cop needs some gutting too.

[–]RobotJiz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but if we punish the liars it will deter the actual people from testifying, but lets fuck this guy out of his job, his car, his apt, his life, his health and his constitutional rights over a false allegation. Why didn't the police look at the fucking lease and take the bitch outside

[–]Tedesche -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit. The article clearly states the cops didn't take her accusations seriously. Everything happened because the investigating officer abused his own authority. This is a case of police abuse, not a false accusation.

She should obviously have been charged with filing a false report and prosecuted for it, but she didn't succeed in ruining the man's life. The cops did.

[–]Jazzeki 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is a case of police abuse, not a false accusation.

police abuse as a result of a false accusation.

i agree that the actions of the police in this story is far more important but the treatment of a man in his own home is still entirely relevant and a problem worth talking about.

this is not about hateing women for ruining mens lives or anything. if you want to get your woman hateing boner on you should find another place because this is about the injustice this man faced in part because of how society treat men. and gender is defiently relevant there.

[–]Tedesche -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

police abuse as a result of a false accusation.

No, there is no inherently causal connection here. The cops did not charge him with what she accused him of. Her false accusation was merely the context for what happened, and what happened that caused all of this was a cop abusing his authority.

this is about the injustice this man faced in part because of how society treat men. and gender is defiently relevant there.

I'm not sure I see how, precisely. I mean, it's certainly possible this wouldn't have happened if he'd been a woman, but I haven't seen a pattern in society that strongly suggests this would be the case. This is a very unique situation. I could, at most, see it as a rough example of how men get harsher treatment from police in general compared to women, but again, this example is very bizarre.

I'm afraid I don't really see how this is a gender-relevant story, rather than just a story about police abuse.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, there is no inherently causal connection here.

The only reason the cops came to his house was because she called them.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

People who call the police are not responsible for what the police do once they get there. Stop shifting the blame.

Let's say she called them over a legitimate reason—let's say he was beating her and she called the police and reported him. When they arrive, he doesn't resist arrest, but the cops beat the crap out of him anyway. Would you find her responsible then?

People's perception that she's to blame stems only from their disapproval of her reasons for calling them. But her reasons for calling them were not the reason he wound up in prison. The cops took it entirely on themselves to do that, for their own fucked up reasons, which makes them to blame, not her.

She's a fucking cunt for what she did, no doubt, but she did not send him to prison.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she did not send him to prison.

She called the cops with the intention of sending him to prison.

[–]Tedesche 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And failed. He did not go to prison because of her accusation. He went to prison because the cop who responded to her call happened to be a dick. She might be happy about it, but it was dumb luck, not anything she did. She gets no credit, but also can't be held accountable.

[–]Arby01 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop shifting the blame.

regardless, if there hadn't been a woman involved the police would have had no issue with interviewing the non-resident male outside the home. This is entirely because he refused to leave his home so they could interview a non-resident female inside his house.

Really, if the cops come along knocking at your door and say "Hey do you mind leaving for a bit so that we can interview this woman in your living room" and you spend two months in jail for saying no, you don't think that's a problem?

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's a problem—just not a problem with false accusations, which was my only point. Everyone here seems to think that, just because a false accusation was involved, that's the reason the guy is in this situation now, when the article makes it quite clear: it's not.

[–]Jaz_the_Nagai 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, like a modern Beauty and the Beast, but without any possible happy ending.

[–]KING2313 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Cop is still mainly to blame for being illogical and unreasonable. I think the solution would just to hire better cops

[–]CHAINMAILLEKID 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure the false claim is the real problem here at all. He wasn't arrested for domestic violence, but for interfering with the investigation for refusing to leave his own house to give the officer privacy to interview the woman.

The excuse the officer used to arrest him had nothing to do with the womans claims.

[–]osufan765 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the cop wanted to interview her privately, they have plenty of rooms at the station where that can happen. There's no reason he should have been arrested.

[–]zhengyingli -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This post, while not at all defending what the man went through after getting arrested, suggested that the events leading up to the actual arrest might not have been as cut n' dried as the article would lead us to believe.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The cop could have easily lied on the report.

[–]zhengyingli 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's true.

[–]Arby01 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The cop would have easily lied on the report.

FTFY

[–]osufan765 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy shit, I think I'd probably start yelling and getting animated if a cop were trying to remove me from my home so a homeless woman who lied about me hitting her could be interviewed inside while I wasn't there. That's ri-god-damn-diculous that he should spend 9 weeks in jail because he got upset during a situation that was completely fucking him over.

[–]helpmydogfarted 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, I think I'd probably start yelling and getting animated if a cop were trying to remove me from my home so a homeless woman who lied about me hitting her could be interviewed inside while I wasn't there.

And you'd end up in the same exact scenario as the guy in the story. Doesnt matter if the cop is right, wrong or just a dick - do what they say or you will suffer for it.

[+]Hillary4Prisonstint -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This website should be charged with rape. My phone has PTSD.

[–]double-happiness 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I was having a lot of trouble getting the page to load. An archive is here - http://archive.is/W1rOE

[+]TheDarkMaster13 -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This doesn't really sound like it was mainly an issue with men's rights, it's a systemic issue in the county's justice system. My guess would be that this is due to private jails looking to maximize their prison population.

EDIT: I'm talking about how the guy was kept in prison for much longer than he should have been. My mistake for not specifying. There are all manner of issues here, the man's rights issue was only the catalyst that got things started.

[+]greatwhisper -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is not a men's rights issue. This article's title is terribly misleading, you this community it hurting its credibility with this article.

The guy is in jail because of disobeying an order from a police officer. The police officer seems to be in the wrong, but nonetheless, it's always stupid to disobey a police officer.

If anything, this story is about police overstepping their bounds. He was cleared of all domestic violence charges quickly.

[–]Arby01 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In an argument between two men, do you think one would have been asked to leave his home, so that they could interview the man that doesn't live there inside the home?

This is pretty clearly relevant.

[–]greatwhisper -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. It's reasonable to isolate the two in question to get their stories without antagonization. It's not immediately clear that it should have been obvious to the officer that she did not in fact live there.

What's most relevant is that you should obey a police officer, even when they're clearly wrong. You will have your chance for justice in court. And this guy did not. The cop was wrong, but the guy should have obeyed anyway.

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