Army Secretary posits women should register for the draft if accepted in combat roles.

Devilsgun · 2015-10-13T05:34:31+00:00

Yes, this.

Lethn · 2015-10-13T05:41:40+00:00

Just wait for the feminists to start screaming about how it's the patriarchy trying to force them to fight in wars.

2015-10-13T15:33:47+00:00

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fullhalf · 2015-10-13T06:08:38+00:00

I'm glad to see any efforts toward dismantling benevolent sexism.

Nulono · 2015-10-13T14:40:43+00:00

Seeing as women not serving in combat roles was the SCotUS's reasoning for not drafting women being consistent with the equal protection clause, the current state of affairs is pretty obviously unconstitutional.

mynewromantica · 2015-10-13T14:16:03+00:00

Better solution: get rid of the draft for everyone.

dungone · 2015-10-13T12:31:06+00:00

The draft should have been tied to getting the vote a century ago. Not to combat roles and not to lowering standards and getting men killed. The Sgt Major who ran the Marine study is right - equality is about making the draft equal in the civilian world, not about imposing some blank slate gender theory on the men who are putting their lives on the line in combat.

eloquentnemesis · 2015-10-13T05:37:29+00:00

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wanderer779 · 2015-10-13T12:56:13+00:00

this could paradoxically turn out to be a move towards traditionalism. I would imagine if they have a draft young women will want to settle down and get pregnant to avoid it.

nMaibO · 2015-10-13T16:23:26+00:00

The question is, are women interested in negative equality?

autotldr · 2015-10-13T09:37:20+00:00

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 73%. (I'm a bot)

His remarks come just weeks after the service secretaries were required to submit recommendations to Defense Secretary Ash Carter as to whether certain combat positions should remain shuttered to women.

Carter is due to make a decision on women in combat roles by January 1 after hearing arguments from service leaders.

The role of female service members in combat has become a contentious topic, especially since a study conducted by the Marine Corps found that mixed-gender units were significantly outperformed by all-male units in simulated combat operations.

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fullhalf · 2015-10-13T08:04:51+00:00

The role of female service members in combat has become a contentious topic, especially since a study conducted by the Marine Corps found that mixed-gender units were significantly outperformed by all-male units in simulated combat operations.

oh that's fine. just make all female units. since they are the worst performing units, they should be sent in for first line attacks like the first wave in normandy. finally feminists get what they want! all those women medals of honors all around!

chafedinksmut · 2015-10-13T16:58:17+00:00

Two faced femnazi bitching in 3...2...1...

Popular-Uprising- · 2015-10-13T17:04:31+00:00

Equal right = Equal responsibilities.

looneytunes2 · 2015-10-13T17:59:06+00:00

So wait, you're telling me that equality means equality... This is blowing my mind.

Raudskeggr · 2015-10-13T19:04:11+00:00

It could be a good thing. Think of how many fewer wars we would have.

raxical · 2015-10-13T15:19:07+00:00

HAHAHAHAHA!

Ya right.

2015-10-13T16:00:30+00:00

Women should be forced to sign up for selective service regardless. Even if they can't fill the combat arms roles, they can fill the combat support and combat service support roles. This would allow more male soldiers to fill the combat arms roles in the event of a national emergency that would warrant a draft.

DillipFayKick · 2015-10-13T16:26:09+00:00

This would be awesome, the next step would be making such that men get the right to vote. You know, being able to vote without having to put their names down on the Selective Service list. One day we'll be equal!

2015-10-13T16:50:41+00:00

The real issue here -- do not be distracted, is that should should BE NO DRAFT.

2015-10-13T18:12:10+00:00

This is worth bringing up.

This isn't the Army Secretaries opinion. The justification for NOT drafting women is that the service didn't allow them into combat jobs, so the draft for them would force women into non-combat roles and force males out of them for combat roles.

That no longer exists, kinda anyway.

It's just logic.

augustfell · 2015-10-14T07:22:18+00:00

Women subject to the draft? Obviously the draft must be unconstitutional!

McFeely_Smackup · 2015-10-13T14:42:25+00:00

“If your objective is true and pure equality, then you have to look at all aspects and at some point Selective Service will have to be one of those things considered very carefully"

...but since our objective will never be true "equality", we'll just continue to "consider" this issue for a few more decades.

Ultimateforeveralone · 2015-10-13T17:34:40+00:00

Then maybe we should stop pussyfooting around people in an attempt to not hurt someones feelings and actually mandate a year of service for every united states citizen. Fuck this draft shit lets just go 120% and require everyone to sign up for it. You want equality, then lets give them equality.

No mens/womens restrooms. Just one for all

Same thing for showers and bunks.

This PC is all shit anyway. Just a bunch of pansy fucks thst cant bear to be judged or compared, gotta sit in your bubble and pretend the world revolves around it.

Sure some women get pregnant to get out of shit in the military. Ive met some guys who sucked dicks to get kicked out. They cant do that now!

Boo fuckin hoo you joined the military and its not a cakewalk and people are pissing all over your bubble.

Grow the fuck up

2015-10-13T19:30:00+00:00

Jackprot.

I need feminism bc I'd like to reduce the chances of a young man being drafted by half.

Jander97 · 2015-10-13T08:20:59+00:00

I don't know. I think we're really talking about getting rid of the Selective Services, right? I'd really hate to see a lot of MRAs endorse this for what I'd consider disingenuous reasons that feminists use to justify their tactics in undertaking "progressive" projects.

... The discussion on...making the age of consent eighteen instead of sixteen, was behind closed doors. The wives of some of the Senators and Assemblymen told us the discussion was positively unfit for us to hear....

Which all goes to show that what Bernard Shaw said is true, that many men are afraid of votes for women because they know that if women get power they will impose on men the same standards of sexual morality [through the power and force of the state] that men have imposed on women. [Note that these latter "standards" are informal ones enforced largely by other women!] Now, that is just exactly what we are going to do. If those standards are wrong for men, they are wrong for women. I don't know any better way to find out which is right than by enforcing the same standard [by convention and law rather thab just by convention] for both.

Katherine Philips Edson, 1913

Using our voice as a tool for reckless social experimentation through law is the kind of inhumane utilitarianism we want to avoid. Feminists have never respected their fellow humans except insofar as they are useful in fulfilling their ambitions, whose possible unintended consequences are of course flagrantly disregarded; if you have just one reason for opposing feminism's relentless march, I'd hope that would be it.

ElizaCStanton · 2015-10-14T04:26:46+00:00

Feminists have been advocating for women to be subject to conscription since the incarnation of the ERA. Traditionalists and Conservatives have been shreiking in opposition- often hysterically- for nearly just as long. Equal rights must correspond to equal responsibility and equal opportunity. Notwithstanding the myriad permutations of feminism, the firgoing proposition is one of CONSENUS. The caveat, where it exists, is that many feminists deplore conscription generally (for both sexes) and propose that war should be a last resort, that blood and treasure should be not be easily spillt.

draykow · 2015-10-13T17:35:55+00:00

The thing is, Selective Service registration has nothing to do with the Draft. They are two different things that only have a male-only requirement in common. The Draft arises during times of extreme conflict and the military volunteers aren't able to meet demands. Selective Service is simply data collection that lets the military branches know how many males are in turning 18 in different areas of the country, thus allowing them to set up recruiter offices in areas that will have the most candidates sign up.

Title	Army Secretary posits women should register for the draft if accepted in combat roles.
Author	eloquentnemesis
Upvotes	666
Comments	156
Date	October 13, 2015 5:32 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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