How can one be alpha if one is ''concentration-camp'' scrawny?

deirox · 2014-01-08T20:37:11+00:00

In regards to gaining weight, you probably need to consume more calories... A lot more. I was thin as a stick throughout my teenage years and early twenties, even though I was eating as much as I wanted, including junk food like chips. But after I tried to count calories for a few days, I saw that I was actually getting far less than I thought. So it's probably true that just like fatties underestimate their calorie consumption, us Auschwitz-modes overestimate it.

I'm no expert so I'll just suggest googling "hardgainer", there's tons of guides and diet plans and whatnot.

Archwinger · 2014-01-08T20:44:09+00:00

Appearance is only one facet of your value. That's one of the joys of being a man. You can be smart, funny, professionally successful, socially apt, and have a whole world of skills and hobbies at your fingertips and just plain dominate a room, even if you're ugly and scrawny.

Not so for a woman. Nobody cares if the fat, 40-year-old woman with acne scars and terrible hair in the flannel shirt and pajama pants is interesting to talk to.

This is the one area where men don't totally get the short end of the stick. Don't piss on this.

If you walk into a room and you have 100 other things going for you, know you're a badass, who just happens to also be skinny, you'll sweat confidence. But yeah, getting bigger can't hurt. If genetics is keeping you at a certain point, hit the maximum your body will let you hit, then go improve other areas of your life. You can do a lot with 150 pounds of body - I'm a skinny guy myself, but cut as hell. Girls never walked up to me and felt my arms and shoulders while touching themselves in anticipation, but every time I got to the point where I had my shirt off, I got complements. You get fit for you, so you can feel like you're putting your best self forward.

ShitlordInExile · 2014-01-09T06:50:56+00:00

I just had to make a second comment to say: Holy fuck, I think this is the most man-hamstering I've ever seen in a r/theredpill thread. All these people denying that being big and fit helps get women? The fuck? I swear I think I saw "be yourself" like twice. Goddamn.

As someone who's been both rail-thin and super-jacked at different points in my adulthood, let me just say this.

Yes, you can get laid as a skinny dude. I used to get laid get laid plenty as a skinny dude.

But you can get laid a hell of a lot more and a hell of lot easier by being the same person except big and intimidating.

I'm sorry that crooked truth is apparently setting off a wave of denial and hamstering among our own, but it is the truth.

TankVet · 2014-01-08T20:30:41+00:00

Fitness isn't just muscle mass. I've got a buddy who is 6'8" and under 200lbs. He's also cut out of stone and was a national champion rower in college. Athleticism reveals itself in many ways, not just size.

Try boxing, rowing, swimming, or something.

And remember what Tyler Durden said in Fight Club, "Skinny guys fight til they're burger."

consumer_of_fungy · 2014-01-08T23:12:37+00:00

Read and follow the advice of r/gainit
Work on developing you mental courage. When I was in my late teens and early 20's I was introverted, always worried, and stressed and I found these mindsets affected my weight gain regardless of how much I ate and lifted. Just being an all-round negative, stressed person somehow kept me thin. When I became confident and loved myself the weight stuck to me.
You need to stop hating yourself. Hating yourself is you burning your bridges and digging a deeper whole for you in terms of gaining life experiences and a realistic understanding of people around you. You are too negatively focused on yourself, it's negative narcissism. You are now over sensationalizing the opinions of yourself and the assumptions people make of you because you lack love and confidence in yourself. By hating yourself, you externalize those thoughts and treat others as you are treating yourself, which is why you meet so few women and reject those who you do meet along with belittling other men, so you can one-up others and feel good. It's a cheap high, aim for better.
The information you need to better your mindset and body is on this sub and related sites. You are going to have a tough road ahead of you developing confidence, love, and respect for yourself. But as myself as proof I can tell you coming from a similar situation as you, once I achieved confidence and love in all aspects of my life I externalized it through body and attitude (there is always a genuine smile on my face). I now naturally attract people to me because they cannot help but be around my positive energy.

Hold a mirror to yourself, list everything you hate about yourself, put the list at the forefront of your mind then go about changing every thing you hate about yourself until you become the man you want to be. GL

ClearArmor · 2014-01-08T21:24:57+00:00

Just my two cents but I would imagine that your introversion is working against you far more than your size.

The_CEO_of_Beta · 2014-01-08T22:46:11+00:00

A guy that fucked one of the girls I spent months chasing was "The Machinist" level of skinny. If you've seen that movie you know what I'm talking about.

He made up for his scrawniness by peacocking elsewhere. He had a huge mohawk, wore a spiked collar on his neck, a leather jacket, and had black colored nails. His general attitude was showing disdain in anything that anyone else liked.

Being buff as fuck is just one of the ways to exhibit alpha behaviors. This guy fucked a girl in one night that I spent months chasing, and the kicker, she was also a virgin. I always thought she was just very timid but I was wrong, dead wrong.

FortunateBum · 2014-01-08T22:49:06+00:00

I'm also introverted, so I meet very few women in the first place. This has caused me to become resentful, rude and paranoid.

I would recommend ignoring women for awhile. MGTOW. Maybe not forever, but you need a break.

drallcom3 · 2014-01-09T00:27:27+00:00

Work out (5x5 Starting Strength) and eat, eat eat. You'll gain confidence a lot faster than muscles. After only one month you'll feel a lot better already.

How do I know? I was almost 2m at maybe 65kg. Great endurance, bu no strength. Typical MMO nerd. If someone says anything else but eat, ignore them.

Don't drink gallons of milk a day. You'll fart like a young god of thunder. If you have problems eating a lot, like me, try using a blender. I throw in pineapple slices (idk why), a banana, olive oil, peanut butter and protein powder. 1000 drinkable calories with an even distribution of the macros. Three of those a day in addition to your normal food and you're done.

And like I said, the confidence will hit you very early. Doing heavy, regular workouts will make you feel great, motivated and alive. Don't focus on women, focus on you.

648262 · 2014-01-08T21:58:50+00:00

Gain weight
Be outgoing
Stop being bitter

You're demotivated, lazy and bitter.

You can gain weight, you just have not figured out how. It's not a very sophisticated concept. Put more in than out. Drink a Gallon Of Milk a Day (GOMAD) as an example. Also check out /r/Steroids if needed.

You can be outgoing even if you are introverted. Go to the bathroom and relax for 10 minutes when you get tired of all the people. You lack experience in being outgoing. Figure out how. My training suggestion would be to make people around you laugh. You don't have social anxiety as you said, so there is only laziness stopping you. And lack of experience.

You need to understand that people, especially women, have no fucking clue what they are doing. Hot girls are never challenged on much by anyone but themselves (I'm fat) so they have no grasp on what rejection or isolation is ("NAWALT", shut up!). I've stopped holding them accountable for anything at all. Let me make an example for you. I had a dog when I was growing up and when it decided to shit inside the house I got angry the first few times. I was young and dumb, but I learned what was up and I stopped getting angry after a while. It was my fault after all. I hold women to the same standard. They do shit I don't like? Well that is my fault. Take responsibility for those actions in your past that makes you feel bitter. It wasn't intentional - they had no idea what was going on. When you take responsibility (basically what a man is about) you'll also dissolve that bitterness.

Edit: Forgot some letters.

MnemonicFitness · 2014-01-08T20:29:55+00:00

You just don't eat enough. I was 6'3 150 in high school, started eating 5000 calories a day and lifting at least 5 days a week. Got up to a lean 190 in a year and a half.

nerdyfitnessguy · 2014-01-08T20:38:19+00:00

Check out "Yelawolf". Guy is a twig but pulls off the bad boy look.

positiveeagle · 2014-01-08T23:14:13+00:00

Look at really smart people, top business people or world leaders: they are all thin, somewhat athletic, or slightly overweight.

Being the most "alpha" at a club is really a small thing in the grand scheme of things.

cookem8 · 2014-01-09T01:57:58+00:00

I used to be you. Research about quality mass-building programs, get to the gym, and start eating a lot. I gained 35 lbs in about two years doing Starting Strength and more recently 5/3/1. If you want to gain weight you have to put in the work.

ShitlordInExile · 2014-01-09T06:40:50+00:00

OP, I'm a guy who's had a jackrabbit metabolism all his life and was skinny until my early twenties. I'd still be skinny if I hadn't forcibly changed my diet.

You have to eat more calories. Period. Every day. No matter how much you hate choking it down. And if you want to gain muscle working out while you're at it, you should eat 1 gram of protein for every pound you weigh per day as well.

Start with some amount that you religiously stick to every day, like 3500 calories a day (with the required protein). If that doesn't do it, add 500 more calories a day. If that doesn't do it, add 500 more. Etc. As a skinny guy, it'll still probably take months, but you'll slowly gain the weight.

I'm early middle-aged now and still I have to religiously eat 4500 calories a day just to maintain my weight at 200 lbs while working out every other day.

It sucks cramming that much food down my hole every day. You know what sucks more? Being skinny.

It's hard, but it's worth it.

jacobman · 2014-01-09T12:59:38+00:00

EAT

If you have intense trouble eating enough to gain weight try to fill your diet with the following:

protein - to promote muscle growth while you gain weight: milk, cottage cheese, whey protein, greek yogurt, meat, nutritional yeast

fat - oils, butter, nuts, fatty dairy, fatty meat: honey roasted peanuts, bacon, whole milk, pizza, pepperoni, pistachios, cheese, olive oil, chips

simple sugars - sugar filled baked goods, sugary drinks, sugar added to meals: ice cream, doughnuts, muffins, cookies, beer, soda

Basically the most surefire way to gain weight is to eat all the things that are considered "bad" for you and avoid many of the things that are considered "good" for you such as vegetables. "bad" foods generally have a lot of calories but are easy to eat and don't fill you up much for the same amount of calories, which makes them great for gaining weight. "good" foods are generally the opposite and make it more of struggle for you to gain weight.

Make sure to lift while you're gaining weight too. That's the absolute best time to gain muscle, and I'm sure you would rather gain muscle than fat.

frequentlywrong · 2014-01-08T20:35:48+00:00

Start doing martial arts (mma, bjj, muay thai). It is basically the cure for not having confidence.

PursuitOfSuccess · 2014-01-08T23:23:19+00:00

With your current stats you can't be. You need to eat, lift, eat and sleep - drink dymatize gainer shakes, about 1900 calories per serve, in between meals and after your workout..

You need to stop putting pussy on a pedestal, and start posting on the misc with the real alpha's.

PrisonerOfLife · 2014-01-08T23:37:13+00:00

How much weight do you want to gain?

If you're really serious about bulking start doing serious volume (15-25 sets per session) and eat about 5000kcals per day. I wouldn't touch roids until you have your diet and training regimen down but when you do, consider Testosterone + Nandrolone/Oxymetholone/Methandrostenlone. Those compounds will give you the most mass.

5F42DE47BC · 2014-01-09T02:54:59+00:00

I'd rather be in your shoes. It's more fun to gain weight than lose weight or change the composition of the weight.

AdolfGoldstein · 2014-01-09T03:00:13+00:00

You aren't eating enough. You will think something like "but I tried, I am, nothing happens!".

You need to make sure you eat enough. Google search "calorie calculator". There are a number of them that will pop up. You enter things like your age, height, current weight, general activity per day, and how much you want to gain. It will spit out a calorie number you have to hit per day to gain 1-2 lbs a week.

Then you have to make sure you are accurately calculating your intake. This is where you have to get dedicated, standardize your diet so you know what you are eating and can keep a fairly accurate daily tally.

Get to know your basics: tuna, eggs, rice, milk. Eat similar each day for convenience in tracking. Maybe invest in some protein powder for easier protein intake if you are picky.

If you can make yourself eat the caloric calculated amount daily for a week, you will gain weight. If you aren't gaining weight, you are probably overestimating your caloric intake. Measure your intake more honestly, put in another more consistent week, weigh yourself. Still not gaining? Add another 500 calories per day. Still not gaining weight after a week? Then you can't count calories.

You will gain, it's a slow process 1-2 lbs a week lean gains is pretty good, and to be expected for a few months if you're a beginner.

That being said, don't work out too much. Just 3x a week, follow Rippetoe's starting strength program to the dot - not because it's a perfect program, but because it's simple and very efficient for getting fast gains on beginners. Make sure you are getting adequate sleep. You will and can gain if you are consistent and honest with yourself. If you can't be either, you will not gain.

[deleted] · 2014-01-09T04:12:41+00:00

Go ask the biggest guy at the gym where he gets his Test. Eat a lot, shoot a gram of test a week, you will grow.

[deleted] · 2014-01-09T04:28:22+00:00

It's hard to get an idea of how bad off u are without height... at 6'5'' 147 is "holy shit dude eat something," at 5'10''-6'0'' its probably more of a mid ranged weight...

To get an idea of where you might want to be for good aesthetics I'd say try this calculator out: http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html

Maybe plugin for a 8-12% body fat projection to get a good idea of where you want to end up.

I was about 145lbs, 6'0'' 2-3 years ago, and while its much easier now with +40 lbs, it wasn't impossible back then... I still had bedded hundreds of chicks at that point... I never really thought of my weight as an issue tho honestly... only got interested in gaining weight as an experiment into how exactly it would affect my results... and it drastically improved them in all honesty... but mostly just made everything super ez mode. Girls just get horned up more quickly, and are more generally open to casual sex. There was also a flip side where the number of shit tests I got started to sky rocket, "you're a player" "all the girls like you" "I bet you have at least 6 girlfriends" etc are statements I hear on a regular basis that I didnt used to get at all when I was slimmer.

angryuser_trp · 2014-01-09T06:36:51+00:00

Two things. Nutritional therapist - but get a natural one. Not a bullshit doc that will feed you with pills. That's not how it works. Chaos muscle training.

Rumble_in_the_Jungle · 2014-01-09T06:44:47+00:00

Squats and milk bro.

Look up 20 rep squat programs and GOMAD - this is the fastest weight gain possible

Wowrllyscrub · 2014-01-09T07:07:10+00:00

There is endo,ecto, and mesomorph body types, some have mixes of 2 of them. As far as i can tell your body type is ecto, which means you tend to stay thin and lose mass fast. Try googling ectomorph or as the top comment says, hard gainer workouts and nutrition schedules

6TLaRm4g · 2014-01-09T08:08:44+00:00

As being basically same as you body wise, even to the wrist part, I can say that - gaining weight is not about lifting, it's about eating. You don't need to lift to gain mass, but if you lift at the same time as eating much you will gain more muscles.

Gaining some weight is one part, but other is that bigger guys might still intimidate you. This is where you take martial arts class and start learning to fight. Not because you gonna actually have to use it (you might at some point), but because of how much more confident you will become. After some time of fighting with other guys I now know what people can and can't do and what I can do. Even without weight lifting martial arts class alone can make you surprisingly confident, since you know other guys will be underestimating you and that will inherently puts you at advantage at any point.

LamboPI · 2014-01-09T11:46:45+00:00

Dress for your body type. Google how to do that. I'm 6'4" 1 50 lbs and have very good success with women. Also make sure your posture is good that is huge for us tall skinny types.

13284 · 2014-01-09T13:47:24+00:00

Peanut butter, protein, and creatine if you're looking to gain weight. Along with any of the affore mentioned workout plans.

Unfortunately, appearance does have a rather large effect on attracting a potential mate, just don't forget that personality and confidence are also HUGE factors in the equation of "standards" if you will.

sartirious · 2014-01-09T15:51:08+00:00

G.O.M.A.D. and r/gainit

Ferinex · 2014-01-09T22:25:02+00:00

I suffer from a genetic disorder that makes gaining weight difficult. I am about 6 feet tall and 120lbs (on a good day). If you look good with your shirt off, abs, some arm tone, pectorals, then don't worry about it. Being alpha has a shit ton more to do with mindset. There is very very infrequently where you would need to defend your alpha status with physical violence. In fact, that's the "dumb hulk" way of handling things. Use your intellect to establish your alpha status, it's far more rewarding and others will notice. Men who get in physical confrontations are not alpha, they are just too fucking dumb to avoid getting emotional and violent.

[deleted] · 2014-01-08T22:41:15+00:00

Eat more and take steroids. PRESTO!

CypherBlack · 2014-01-09T02:22:08+00:00

I weigh 135 at 6 foot. Laugh it off, sir. I'm thin. Women love me. They adore me. Women are not like men. They do not measure so much with their eyes. Connect with your feelings. Understand that they use feelings for their attraction. Relax and see yourself as handsome and sexy. Believe in yourself fully and they will just flock to you.

RedSpectrum · 2014-01-08T21:08:03+00:00

Fuck dude, are you me? What you wrote practically describes me.

Its going to be hard to gain mass and weight so you have to start with eating foods, wholesome foods. I take protein shakes after working out and a typical meal afterwards is 12 oz steak, vegetables, corn bread with butter, and rice pilaf. I ate the same thing as another meal and had snacks in between. Gained about 9 lbs doing this, would have gained more but I was studying hard in college.

Slowly, add calories. Personally, if I ate too much I had diarrhea afterwards. I just couldnt process all of that. You could also try creatine, many of my friends were on it.

Hyooge · 2014-01-08T21:50:12+00:00

I started out 130lbs. Absolutely god damn tiny. I'm stronger and bigger and people can tell that I've spent some time in the gym, BUT I still feel small compared to some guys, typically dudes over 6'1 and that comes down to your mindset and not letting your physique define your confidence and who you are. I can only train bodyweight at the moment as I'm saving for a squat rack, and my weight has stayed the same for far too long. The answer to our troubles is the same for both of us - Eat more. Above 3000 calories for me (preferably 3.5k) and I'm 5'10.

Notinjuschillin · 2014-01-08T21:43:48+00:00

I don't subscribe to the "alpha male" bullshit. Just be yourself. I'm 5'8 200lbs, black/Hispanic that grew up in Brooklyn NYC when the crime rate was at it's worse and I made it out of that mess alive and not incarcerated....so IMO, stature has nothing to do with being an alpha male. It's how you carry yourself, your level of confidence, being comfortable with who you are as a person.

HeadingRed · 2014-01-08T21:47:00+00:00

Eat and lift, but really a lot of it is you and your body english. Get some swagger in your step. Take an acting class and learn how to walk. Look at how you dress- do you look meek\basement dweller or like you might have something going on? You wear glasses- pick something that stands out.

I knew a guy who was skinny as all shit, terrible skin and still had girls. Not a ton but had a few. Mainly punk rock\theater types but when you saw them together you could not help but think "how does he do it".

Get lifting, work on your appearance, cultivate some swagger. Stop walking looking away from people. Strike up conversations with strangers.

Tomorrow say "good morning\afternoon\whatever" to at least 10 strangers.

SSTUPNC · 2014-01-08T21:05:42+00:00

Watch some Floyd Mayweather videos he weighs about the same as you and is physically alpha as fuck.

Same can be said for Pacman or Hatton.

I believe the idea that large = Alpha is generally a middle class white boy thing.

If you've actually seen enough fights and scuffles you'll quickly come to the realization that being a large person doesn't have as much weight as you give it.

Title	How can one be alpha if one is ''concentration-camp'' scrawny?
Author	The_BitterTruth
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Date	January 8, 2014 8:19 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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