Please help me, redpill is making me suicidal

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-02-11T22:30:38+00:00

Here's some things to scrub your mind.

Red pill hates you. Red pill wants to see you submit to a man irregardless of what you want. It doesn't see you as a unique individual but a collective of things that are meant to be used by men for whatever purpose it's up in the air. You are a product on a conveyer belt they call the sexual marketplace. That your worth is defined and made by what these insecure dopey ass men think of you. It's a movement made by men who can't get dates it's their revenge fantasy.

You are a fully autonomous human that doesn't have to fall into these patterns you can be whoever you want. You can have a career have a girlfriend. Do your thing your value isn't defined by red pill principles. You are 18 enjoy it. Life is new. Learn and grow and mature experience the world. You will realize those gendered expectations are silly and peddled by insecure doofuses who want surrogate mommies.

HappyRainbowSparkle · 2024-02-11T22:20:22+00:00

So you hate gender roles but believe in the redpill? Do you think you're an exception to other women who are all the same? Also why have out with people like that

bannedforbigpp · 2024-02-11T22:24:46+00:00

Could you, with any introspection, explain why it is you’re drawn to these ideals and why you think they’re true?

floracalendula · 2024-02-12T01:07:14+00:00

The red pill is a cult, and you need to deprogram. Especially as a woman. You're too young to let them turn you into their bangmaid ideal. So: go watch some Shanspeare, some Khadija Mbowe, some Rachel Oates, all wildly awesome people who talk about healthier ways to be people.

Step AWAY from the podcasts. Unless it's The Financial Diet. You need to hear what Chelsea Fagan has to say. Princess Weekes is also amazing.

I hate that women want to be dominated sexually because I don't at all

You're not an exception. Just because shitty men want to literally hold us down and use us doesn't mean that's our destiny. I was with one for six years who tried to make me be that, but almost self-deleting made me realize those attitudes were not okay. Kink, if you like it, should be consensual; you shouldn't be pressured or coerced into any power exchange.

You don't need to shut the fuck up but you do need to get that bag. For yourself, not because of some sprinkle sprinkle provider man. Get your education, get your skills, and get going on the life you want, not the life someone else tells you to have. You're around them, you know what they think of being real partners to a woman -- don't give them the time of day if they're only giving you money. You can earn the money yourself and you'll be proud you did.

JonF1 · 2024-02-12T04:00:32+00:00

Can you give me a reading list of posts

No.

Unplug. Have real interactions with real people. Writing, or reading novel length stuff about things you can you can and should find out for yourself in reality is how you got here.

If most of your friends suck - from this moment on, it's a personal problem you should solve. I'd just kick them to the curb and be alone until you can find better people to serround yourself with.

Get the career. If that makes you masculine, be masculine then. Almost all redpill gurus are broke (Donovan, Rollo, Fresh) or will be soon (Tate, Sneako, Myron) and most of them can't last a day earning an honest living.

CommentsEdited · 2024-02-11T22:37:09+00:00

I hate that women want to be dominated sexually because I don't at all and feel like I will always be a minority

As a very non-red pill dude who happens to be sexually dominant:

It is absolutely untrue that the "vast majority" of women want to be dominated, as red pill purports.
The number of men who want to be sexually dominated is much, much higher than people realize. Which I have no doubt is enormously confusing and frustrating for many red pillers who want to feel manly and in charge of most things, but just have this one pesky problem of being aroused by sexually dominant women.
The whole red pill concept of men being "naturally dominant" as a group, and women "born to submit" is, amusingly, more like a submissive fantasy than anything. It's subs, not doms, who typically want to feel like "the universe is just like that" and they don't have to do anything except embody the role.

Red pill really wants "porn BDSM" to essentially be the "new vanilla" sexuality, but that's not how anything works. Big topic, but in a nutshell:

Doms = roller coaster designers
Subs = roller coaster junkies
Sadists = roller coaster operators
Masochists = the track

most men want to dominate women too - I hate that there are these gender relations everywhere

Many, many men want to be perceived as dominant because you're "supposed to be". But there is a huge difference between that, and actually enjoying being dominant, which is actually a lot of work and responsibility, and definitely isn't compatible with feeling threatened by what turns your partner on, which red pillers very much are.

MisogynyMustDie · 2024-02-12T11:43:29+00:00

I used to be redpill, up until about a year ago. All you need to debunk redpill is basic human decency. Women are not "less than" bc they are women. I really don't even have the energy or desire to explain how one group of ppl isn't less than another, so I'll try to come back later and edit this comment. It's really hard to have to "make the case" that women aren't subhuman.

ROBYoutube · 2024-02-11T22:27:38+00:00

I don't think you need red pill debunks. It's really, really easy to recognise that what they are saying is not based in reality. It is supported by nothing except the anecdotes of the most sexless and misogynistic men on earth.

I'm a man who likes women. Not just their vaginas, the person around it too. I know a lot of them. No two are exactly the same. The attempts to generalise 4 billion humans is an objectively stupid endeavour. In fact, no two are exactly the same to the degree that you exist at all, as a hateful misogynist.

Good luck in your search for truth.

EdgewaterEnchantress · 2024-02-12T13:19:02+00:00

I think that what you are lacking is more introspection!

Why do you want to believe in red-pill ideology?!? What about it is appealing to you, as an individual?!? What do you hate about liberalism? Do you simply feel a somewhat toxic desire to be “different,” or “Not like other girls?!?” Why?!?

Are you just trying to fit in with these shitty boys cuz you are romantically interested in them, and you want them to like you, romantically?

Basically, I don’t even understand why you want to hang out with red-pill A-Holes?

Brilliant_Program_39 · 2024-02-12T00:32:48+00:00

You should try to read Laura Bates work not only about the manosphere but about sexism. Her work on sexism made me open my eyes as how I was a victim of it and made me more unattached to manosphere. Also, try to explore feminists spaces. Even if you don't consider yourself a feminist, feminism had a positive impact in my self steem/self image and it could make you feel supported by other women. Finally, if you really need debunks as me, read datepsych blog, watch Münecat video about the manosphere and read Nuancepill material.

Edit: You should try to desactivate Youtube history, and use Unhook or uBlockOrigin or Blocktube to limit Youtube features to stop Youtube recomendations and block manosphere channels or videos. Also, but it is more extreme, try to not use Youtube in your phone and use Cold Turkey to block certain key words in your searchs or certain websites that are toxic.

neoexileee · 2024-02-12T01:42:49+00:00

How about this? If the red pill was right, I, who did everything wrong from a red pill perspective, shouldn’t be in a happy marriage with a really hot girl for many years.

A lot of it is bunk.

xvszero · 2024-02-12T01:52:47+00:00

Others have given you lists so I won't do that. And to be honest, I think that only helps so much.

All of my friends are really redpill too

I'd stop hanging out with these assholes and make some real friends. You said your school is super liberal so it shouldn't be too hard.

You might also want to ask yourself: What am I actually gaining from hanging with red pill dudes and following red pill shit? Because it's clearly not making you happier, or healthier, etc. As Marie Kondo says, if it doesn't spark joy, remove it from your life.

Striking-Stage-9846 · 2024-02-11T23:12:01+00:00

As someone who once suffered with internalized misogyny, I truly feel sad for u. I really hope u can find your peace. I believe u will

Aggravating_Crab3818 · 2024-02-12T01:04:27+00:00

Sounds like it could be gender dysphoria, and apparently self-harming and suicidal ideation are common.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/Gender_dysphoria/

tenebrasocculta · 2024-02-12T21:28:59+00:00

All of my friends are really redpill too and I hang out with them because they consider me to be an "exception" but I just want to be able to make female friends again without looking down on them or judging them far more harshly than men.

These are not real friends. If their acceptance of you is conditional upon you never resembling the assortment of stereotypes these assholes associate with womanhood, the first time you slip up you can bet you'll be knocked off your pedestal and demoted to "just like the rest of them." Dump them. They suck.

For real, go start hanging out with women and queers of all genders and getting some real-life exposure to people other than scumbaggy sexist men and your redpill programming will start to break down naturally.

Much-Celery377 · 2024-02-12T15:08:58+00:00

Wow. Such a clusterfuck, yet I believe every word! Just a few thoughts.

Why not be Sigma if this resonates with you? The point with sigmas is that they live according to their own morality and do not care for the opinions of others. Also.. what is wrong with sexualising women? Women love this if done with respect and hate it if not. Maybe the overt sexualisation is actually a pro sexual response. Also.. one can sexualise and fantasise about women safely. Almost certainly nothing will happen. This is not the case with a man so it seems quite rational to be this way. Sometimes dreams are just dreams.

Look on the bright side. Whatever you decide you are YOU CAN BE. This is not the same with men so you have the advantage.

SweelFor- · 2024-02-12T06:48:58+00:00

I recommend that you listen to the podcast/youtube channel Psychology in Seattle

fluffylittlemango · 2024-02-12T08:59:14+00:00

https://youtu.be/yzFxWotvoQU?si=lHkevJj1pClfLlDq This was a good explanation of why the red pill is rubbish and bad for men. You’re only 18 and incredibly young. Move on from these people and find others who value you. I dated a red pilled man and it was the most miserable relationship I’ve ever had. I’m convinced he had a personality disorder and the red pill enabled him. Move on.

Fact0rygirkie · 2024-02-12T20:57:42+00:00

My content recommendations may seem long but I hope you won't feel too overwhelmed by it and I hope you check every single one of them out , it's very obvious that you have alot of internalized misogyny and self-hatred , even though you acknowledge that the redpill ideology with wack and irrational you still seem to believe it. Which is why I'm recommending you these , it won't only focus on alt-right content but also on Gender , Class and Race because everything is intersectional and I worry you might have unsubconsciously absorbed those bigoted ideals too without fully knowing. Now, onto the list

For breakdowns - Innuendo studios (check out "the alt-right playbook" playlist , it breaksdown how the alt-right targets and indoctrinates people into their ideology thru the use of misinformation and use of language , as well as the way they frame their "debates") - Philosophy Tube - Big Joel - Shanspeare (pop culture and films are included in her essays and she analyzes them thru an intersectional feminist lense) - Tee noir (pop culture , movies and series thru an intersectional feminist / mostly black feminist lense) - José - Contrapoints - Khadija Mobwe - F.D signifier

Trollybolley has a good video on tradwives , I wouldn't say her content is political commentary but I recommend and encourage you check her commentary on tradwives
Yhara Zayd , mostly films but she still weaves in her political thoughts and commentary in her videos
Final Girl Studios analyzes films thru a feminist lense

Books - Nonfiction - The ring-wing woman by Andrea Dworkin - Bad feminist by Roxanne Gay - Pornland by Geli Dines - Delusions of gender by Cordelia Fine - Invisible women by Caroline Criado Perez - Girlhood by Melissa Febos

For fiction - my fave author is Elena Ferrante. The lying life of adults is good and I recommend The Neapolitan Novels by her as well - Breasts and eggs by Meiko kawakami - The vegetarian by Han Kang

And finally , the reason why I recommended you fiction books as well is because it's clear you don't view women as human beings , who are complex and messy. Instead you judge them for showing human emotions and being human , while never holding men to that frigid and unattainable standard.

You have alot of unlearning and unpacking to do , I hope you know that you have the power to leave your "friends" behind and leave this ideology. You can unlearn it and unpacking your self-hatred and bigotry , it all depends on you and whether you choose to utilize your strength. You have control in this situation, it's all about what you choose to do with it.

OneFisherman9541 · 2024-02-13T05:01:35+00:00

started hating myself for being female and started feeling like I am less worthy of love and respect because of my gender.

the not fucking what the redpill is about at all

Comingtoyoulive16 · 2024-02-13T05:14:47+00:00

I'm 18 years old to and at first I believed the things they had said to but figured later on these guys just hate women, it's like feminism but for men.

MentalAlternative8 · 2024-02-13T07:29:17+00:00

Münecat has a video thoroughly dissecting and debunking the redpill/manosphere. Contrapoints has various high quality and informative video essays discussing gender, incels, men, patriarchy, etc. F.D. Signifier has a lot of content discussing the redpill and the manosphere in general, and Shaun has a video called "Andrew Tate: How To Be A Real Man" which is fantastic, as well as videos addressing anti-feminism and topics related to it. On the other hand, you have Fresh and Fit bragging about how they don't care whether a woman enjoys having sex with them or not, and admitted rapist and alleged human trafficker Andrew Tate screaming into a microphone about how he beliefs women are objectively inferior to men and should have less rights.

Ultimately, every single member of the redpill/blackpill/incel community sees you as an inferior being, and a lot of them hate you and view you as more of an object than a human being. They see you (and all other women) as the reason for their inability to get laid, think that you should have fewer (or zero) human rights, think that they're entitled to have sex with you, and they believe that you are responsible for the shitty state that society is in despite men having held (and still holding) the vast majority of political power for the majority of human history. They do not see you as an equal human being with hopes and dreams, they do not believe you should have autonomy over your own body. The beliefs they subscribe to came about because a history of patriarchal power structures bred a bunch of pathetic, insecure men who have no redeeming qualities that are mad that they don't live in a time in history where they have as much legal and social authority over women, and now actually have to be decent human beings that treat women with respect.

It is an extremely dangerous ideology with no actual basis in reality, held by men that possess seething hatred towards women and a belief that they are owed something by them just because they are men. Why any women would hold the view that they are interior to men and should have less rights is a complicated thing to address and this is something that would be better discussed with a mental health professional than a reddit community, although doing the latter is a start.

thomasshelbylover69 · 2024-02-13T08:03:00+00:00

Hey hey hey chill down. You can have those “masculine” traits and still be a female. It’s all about the energy that you have. A man can have feminine energy and a woman can have masculine energy. You just have to find your polar opposite find satisfactions in relationship that is if you think that you’re naturally inclined to those. Fuck their rash assumptions.

I might be wrong but I believe that women have the natural inclination to be feminine and vice versa but that doesn’t mean that you’re wrong for being the polar opposite. I’m also your age, and a biological male practicing “masculinity” and yes, I would like “feminine” woman but that doesn’t mean the other dynamic would work. I’m speaking from a relationship standpoint because I feel like that’s where you coming from — that you’re not a woman because you aren’t acting like how they want you to. You are :) And you’re maybe afraid that men won’t like you? Trust me their are guys who would drool over you. You’re on the right path trust me.

halfasianidiot · 2024-02-13T10:08:13+00:00

Read feminist literature and take sociology courses. Be as friendly as you can with other women, try not to judge them, but try to understand why they make the choices they do

Sensitive_Panda_6245 · 2024-02-14T20:59:08+00:00

Almost 31yr old female former RP consumer

According to the RP, me being told I couldn’t have children early on in life due to health issues means to them I have no value. I am also a virgin & they be-little me all the time. They claim they adore virgins until they actually meet one just because she’s slightly older than there targeted prey search.

These RP stuff had me sobbing while I listened to it. They made me feel worthless because things I couldn’t control or didn’t ask to have was my fault. But what woke me up was attending my second cousins wedding. Hearing her & her husbands vows to each other made me realize that love still exists. I don’t know if you’re a Christian but I am. And it made me closer to God because I realized I was destroying my mind looking for approval in the eyes of humans & not God.

There opinions are for no one but themselves. Because think about this: if these so called high value men could get any woman they want, why can’t they actually get the woman they seek? A young, traditional virgin? The answer: cause no young traditional virgin would ever touch them with a ten foot pole. So these losers settle for OF women because they know that’s all they can get.

These hypocrites have nothing on us. So they make up crap to make themselves feel better.

Title	Please help me, redpill is making me suicidal
Author	Cool_Position_6191
Upvotes	57
Comments	84
Date	February 11, 2024 10:15 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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