"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." - Robin Morgan, 1974

Muffcakelord · 2022-01-30T10:58:49+00:00

People call me crazy when i say i hate watching rape scenes in movies or shows because they think it's consensual as long as they don't say "no". They don't say yes either and they're looking depressed and sometimes crying, people need to understand the enthusiastic part of consent instead of calling everything consent when the woman knows that saying "no" would only make the rape more violent.

melympia · 2022-01-30T01:40:35+00:00

I... don't know. I remember a number of situation where I didn't initiate, but was happy to have things initiated by my partner. I wouldn't call that rape.

However, as soon as a woman does "it" despite not truly wanting to, because her partner wants/"needs" it, we're crossing into sexual coercion territory.

Pryras · 2022-01-30T03:09:13+00:00

Women don’t have to be initiators but there ALWAYS needs to be Enthusiastic consent. Always. The rest rings true though.

People refuse to believe any situation that isn’t the “scary stranger in the bushes” as far as what is and isn’t classified as rape.

If men actually avoided situations where consent wasn’t clear, they wouldn’t have to worry about “false rape accusations.” Every time I read a thread about it, there’s always droves of men mocking enthusiastic consent like it’s some sort of contract signing that ruins the mood. Stop coercing, manipulating, escalating, drugging up women to have sex with you. If her inhibitions are down you WALK AWAY and learn some self fucking control. Work on yourself and become likeable enough to have women WANT to sleep with you.

AmeliaEmiliaEmma · 2022-01-30T10:23:12+00:00

I stumbled on some reality tv show where people get coupled up and have to sleep in the same bed. One of the guys said “should I just stick it in her tonight?” And guys laughed…

LevellingUpTime · 2022-01-30T08:07:56+00:00

Considering it was said in the early 70s I would agree with that statement for its time. If a man initiated sex with his stay-at-home wife who knows the kind of repercussions she would face if she refused? Rape anyway, a slap, the man staying at "work" for several hours after he was supposed to be home, a mistress to sate his desires, or maybe a few hundred dollars goes missing from his paycheck that week?

I mean, martial rape wasn't even a thing or illegal until the 90s so she couldn't say no even if she wanted to, she would have to make up an excuse (perhaps a headache) and then pray that his kind nature and generosity would see him to not force himself onto her (as would be his legal right). In the 70s, I would bet you could only truly know if a woman gave true consent if she initiated it out of genuine affection and desire -- otherwise there are too many power dynamics going on.

I just thank god I wasn't around in that time and that the statement doesn't really hold up anymore (unless you're in an abusive relationship where you are afraid to, or aren't in the position to say no)

lansburysoda · 2022-01-30T04:23:02+00:00

I don’t agree with this at all. Plenty of times I haven’t been the one to initiate sex but I was still into it.

Men know when they are raping someone. They KNOW. They know Every. Single. Time. THEY KNOW.

Interesting-Bat3992 · 2022-01-30T05:25:53+00:00

Lol in Islam when a woman refuses to have sex with her husband for whatever reason, the angels curse her until morning. And not to mention that her prayers and good deeds with not ascend to heaven.

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