Hating men is fundamentally a conservative attitude

vegetables-10000 · 2025-01-09T21:44:33+00:00

Conservatives and Feminists are different sides of the same coin.

Both think the solution to men issues is "positive masculinity". And "positive masculinity" just means men adhering rigid male gender roles.

Enzi42 · 2025-01-10T14:30:16+00:00

I'm going to go against the grain a little here.

While I unequivocally believe that a lot of conservative/tradcon ideals are used against men by those who claim to be progressive (and I have written extensively about it), I think it is very inaccurate to say that the hatred of men is solely a conservative viewpoint.

In fact, I would go even further and say that hatred of men lines right up with leftist ideals and ways of thinking.

The left (speaking in generalizations of course) has a heavy focus on an oppressed vs oppressor dynamic wherin one side is the bad actor and the other side is the victim.

Worse than that is the fact that, as quiet as it's kept, a lot of leftists have a raging justice boner for "punishing" those deemed members of the oppressor class even if they are innocent.

This kind of attitude rapidly mutates into the rationalization of collective punishment towards people who have done nothing wrong, even extending towards young children.

Thus you get people on the left side of the aisle who legitimately hate men and boys, including their own family and offspring and even themselves. It isn't so much that the left hates men as much as it hates anyone deemed an oppressor and men are targeted with that label right now.

It's why you can be a member of a marginalized group but they will still zero in on the one aspect of your identity that is "privileged" in order to tear into it.

FatReverend · 2025-01-09T21:46:56+00:00

I hate how the progressive left keeps pushing people (especially men) away for one mild difference. It's like political Highlander, in the end there can be only one but in this case it's not the strongest but rather just the most offended. I fall on the left with nearly everything but have always been against censorship. Unfortunately the right has somehow claimed anti censorship for that side; so when I say I'm against the removal of episodes of shows from streaming platforms, that somehow cost me friends on the left whom have adopted this all or nothing polarizing attitude. I keep seeing this happen and think that how the left keeps rejecting it's own and driving men away is a big part of the reason that Trump got elected again. It's like they just can't help but to commit social and therefore also political harakiri.

Hubris1998 · 2025-01-10T01:42:01+00:00

Conservatives and feminists are two sides of the same coin

It's a disdain towards men tailored to appeal to male fantasies in order to pull the wool over their eyes and get them to accept realities that go against their best interests as part of what it means to be a man. Radfems will overtly hate on men whereas tradcons will try to sell you with a caricature of manhood so as to preserve the status quo. It's an insult to your intelligence. In the case of the tradwife, being pro men is the most blatant grift imaginable

Sir_Sneezealot · 2025-01-10T00:44:44+00:00

100% agree lefty women will say some of the most non-liberal thing as long as it is regarding straight hetro men. For eg: when I go on dates I always ask for their top 3 hot takes and as a hook while telling mine I'll say : Podcasts needs to have licenses. If they are a typical sexist man hating type (which a lot of them are in a city like mine) they will go- yes but only for men because women talk about important stuff. "Call her daddy" literally only discusses toxic feminity on a large scale & doesn't even try to sugar coat it. Joe Rogan stuff is toxic but he is also discusses so many other topics. Gender roles & norms exist only to one set of people - Hetro Men.

Cearball · 2025-01-09T22:05:38+00:00

Boom.

Some of the biggest bigots I have ever met in real life are left wing.

Sewblon · 2025-01-10T01:09:43+00:00

I think that you see this disconnect, because "conservative" and "progressive" are social constructs. They only really exist in the discourses that we have about them. For instance, free trade used to be a conservative position. But now its not. Standardized tests used to be considered progressive. But now they are not. The only thing that every thing labeled "Conservative" has in common is that it has been labeled "Conservative." The only thing that everything labeled "Progressive" has in common is that it has been labeled "Progressive."

Tesco5799 · 2025-01-10T13:28:22+00:00

I think this is part of a bigger problem with modern progressive stuff, and how education works etc. A lot of people think that we are so much more progressive now than in the past but I feel that's only partly true. I think the education system and western culture in general teaches people to think specific ways about specific issues in light of somewhat recent events/ themes, but people don't actually think critically about this stuff. Hence why so many people will blindly accept feminist nonsense, or promote other idiotic ideas like minorities can't be racist, all these people know is group A good group b bad.

Apprehensive-Sock606 · 2025-01-11T15:09:32+00:00

I think none of you grew up in a society that was legitimately conservative. We have not been conservative for decades now. There might be small pockets of religious conservatives but they’re living in a fundamentally non-conservative society. My mom grew up in a more truly conservative society 70 years ago - and men were certainly NOT hated. Boys had higher status within the family unit. Not out of hatred of women really - but more was expected of them and that came with more status. My mom would describe to me the dynamics of how boys vs girls were seen in the family and the hierarchies within the family unit.

CodeSenior5980 · 2025-01-09T22:32:40+00:00

Most self proclaimed "Radical feminists" are really radical liberal or just liberal feminists. 2nd wave feminism, cultural feminism, liberal and radical liberal femism actually are constructed so they could actually protect the establishment, patriarchy and capitalism. People who support those branches of feminism arent actually really against patriarchy, they are actually consciously or uncosciously supporting it by repeatedly enforcing traditional gender norms.

Only marxist feminists and radical feminists give the real battle but they are actually rare. For example a radical feminist knows that patriarchy is defeated when traditional gender norms are destroyed, they actively go against the norm and try to be more a wholistic "human" rather than a "sex"

Absentrando · 2025-01-10T00:37:17+00:00

You are correct that conservatives tend to show stronger in group favoritism and out group bias, but every human group has these biases, and I don’t think hating men is a conservative attitude. Conservative values promote and reward masculinity. Masculinity or men are not considered the out group. Your argument is like saying poor people hating the rich is a conservative attitude because out group bias is a conservative attribute.

Grim_Rockwell · 2025-01-10T02:03:25+00:00

Conservatives really do have a deep seeded distrust and hatred towards men and boys.

From the Conservatives who are suspiciously over-protective of their daughters because they see boys and young men as rapists, to the Conservatives who accuse straight men of dressing up as trans-women to creep on, sexually assault, and rape women in bathrooms.

Quinlov · 2025-01-10T07:11:13+00:00

I whole heartedly agree. I saw a YouTube video based on the book The Authoritarian Personality and as he was going through the different traits my first thought was "wow this is literally feminists". Belief in the inevitability if power dynamics (i.e. disbelief in equality)? Check. Belief that the only pragmatic response is to ensure that your group comes out on top? Check. Intolerance of others' sexuality? Check.

Weak_Working8840 · 2025-01-12T18:37:52+00:00

I consider myself socially conservative and financially left wing.

Fitting into a traditional male role, at least to some degree, is objectively good for you.

It gives your life purpose
You're not swimming upstream from what you're biologically hardwired to do.
Being a gym bro has tangible benefits to your mental and physical health.

I'm supportive if people want to be gay, nerds, artists, caretaker roles etc. That's all fine if it's what works for you, but when in doubt, traditional masculine roles are cross cultural and a good fall back when experiencing mental health issues.

Conservatism empowers men.

gynogauntlet · 2025-01-09T21:47:39+00:00

Conservatism is usually considered a masculine political view. Men tend to practice outgroup bias (the out-group being women). Whereas it women who practice a preference for the in-group (women).

So your point about conservatism being aligned with in-group bias imo is off.

Title	Hating men is fundamentally a conservative attitude
Author	steamedhamjob
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Date	January 9, 2025 8:43 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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