Is there actually a manosphere?

friendlysouptrainer · 2024-07-25T19:00:35+00:00

I guess it sounds catchy? Probably just one of those things journalists repeat because they saw someone else using it.

MelissaMiranti · 2024-07-25T20:34:10+00:00

There isn't. It's just a term used to tar the best with the sins of the worst. If we're all Elliot Rogers, there's no need to listen to anyone here about infant circumcision or boys in education.

Virtual_Piece · 2024-07-25T19:29:44+00:00

The manosphere is an umbrella term that represents all male focused content from Male focused channels. It's easy to remember and ain't going nowhere

eldred2 · 2024-07-25T19:33:48+00:00

It boils down to human nature. We tend to think of those like us as individuals, and those who differ as a homogeneous group. So when anyone in the "other" group acts poorly, that action is attributed to all.

Title_IX_For_All · 2024-07-25T21:10:49+00:00

There's little cross-pollination between these groups. MRAs and PUAs might as well be on separate planets. MGTOWs and PUAs as well. They are more separate than they are similar.

leroy2007 · 2024-07-25T21:24:51+00:00

Something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is that there is no term for the female version of the manosphere. There’s no shortage of toxic female influencers online spewing hate, but that’s just called “the internet”. The term “manospere” is just another way to censor men who dare think for themselves and dismiss them out of hand because humanizing them is too dangerous to the status quo

AigisxLabrys · 2024-07-26T01:22:31+00:00

Every time I’ve seen someone used the term “Manosphere,” it’s used as a euphemism for “anyone who disagrees with me.”

Gold_Hawk · 2024-07-26T09:36:24+00:00

A great blanket term that people use to stifle discussion. Same way terms like Communist and socialist are thrown at people to take away from the message of wanting a fair society.

Korvar · 2024-07-25T19:39:00+00:00

There is a "Manosphere" in the same sense that there is a "Womanosphere" that that includes feminists, but also the women who advocate for women being submissive to their husbands in a traditional Christian marriage.

eli_ashe · 2024-07-25T20:05:36+00:00

much like how feminism is used as a catchall phrase.

it risks erasing all the differing views within by highlighting whatever the more extreme view therein may be.

manosphere becomes 'an incel mass murder machine' and feminism becomes 'the radical feminists seeking to kill all men'.

BloomingBrains · 2024-07-27T06:31:14+00:00

Its just a buzzword. Imagine grouping christianity and islam into one pool just because they're both abrahamic religions. In reality they're totally different and the different elements of the manosphere are the same.

For instance, every element of the manosphere acknowledges the unique challenges and biases against men in the dating sphere, but they all have different answers to how you should feel about that.

Red Pill: You should hate women and want to get revenge on them by exploiting the rules to the game to the max
Black Pill: You should give up because its hopeless, you won't be able to exploit the rules to the game
MGTOW: You should have no association with women at all

But sadly most people never actually understand these differences, because all they do is lump everything anti-feminist in together. Which is unfortunate because the biggest actual threat posed to women are red pillers, not incels.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-07-28T18:40:44+00:00

It's funny, isn't it? No one has ever coined "femisphere" to refer to all female focused content from feminists to mommy bloggers, tradwives, FDS, soft girl lifestylists, etc., even though it's a much more obvious term since it rhymes with "hemisphere."

hotpotato128 · 2024-07-26T00:21:57+00:00

They want to brainwash people.

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-07-25T20:26:18+00:00

I mean... kinda? Men are a group, and as such, they have more in common with each other than people outside the group.

Your overall point is correct, though. It's usually only brought up to lump good MRAs in with the incels and Tate stans of the world.

pooploop64 · 2024-07-26T20:42:15+00:00

It used to be a self described thing on a network of blogs focused on men's issues. But the writers eventually had to go way underground to keep talking about it, and they pretty much all quit instead. At that point the entire galaxy revolved around feminism and they didn't want to be in the the david dukes of society if their identities ever came out.

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-07-26T12:18:36+00:00

This is honestly a really interesting question. I do actually think it is fair to group those types of guys together despite their seeming differences. The reason for this is that they share two core beliefs:

Women are the cause of my problems
The only way for me to get what I want is by changing/manipulating/controlling women

This is not always apparent on the surface level within these groups. You might say that pickup artistry, for instance, does not actually believe the first one, only the second. But the thing is that pickup artistry /does not actually work/ - and when it doesn't work, pickup artists tend to say "it's because women today are hyperfeminist bitches/becoming masculinised/destroying masculinity." Women are the cause of the problem. You see the same logic in incels and MRAs.

Incels are interesting because they are essentially disillusioned pickup artists who have added a third belief on top.

There is nothing I can personally do to get what I want, and that's women's fault too

I do notice these beliefs floating around this sub too, but it's hardly everyone. What I like about this sub is that there's also a lot of fellas here who are actually interested in actually talking about men - rather than talking about how much women are failing men, which actually decenters men's issues in the conversation and brings it round to being about women again. That's where MRA types consistently fail to bring about any real positive change for men.

I don't want to say you shouldn't express frustration at the way women are failing men, though. Just that if that's the centre of your movement, you don't have a men's movement. You have an anti-woman movement.

maomaochair · 2024-07-27T20:28:11+00:00

If they could accept feminist channel/ groups as a misandry sphere, then manosphere is a valid term.

beowulves · 2024-07-26T18:06:48+00:00

Nanisphere is mostly dudes who make entertainment content for men for money. Like none of them work actual jobs that contribute to society or have any meaningful skills or have done anything to help anyone. It's not exactly value to society for like the fresh and fit guys to put a bunch of random women on a podcast and put them on blast for having room temperature iq for men to see. Unless u need emotional porn in your life they're all worthless ultimately.

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