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Counter Protest to "March for Men"

goodmod

August 1, 2018
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Title Counter Protest to "March for Men"
Author

goodmod

Upvotes 126
Comments 62
Date August 1, 2018 9:05 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/93ncjj/counter_protest_to_march_for_men/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/counter-protest-to-march-for-men.1185972
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Comments

[–]iainmf 64 points65 points66 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

This is great news.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

[–]noriann 57 points58 points59 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Provided the speakers stick to Men's Rights issues and not play into their hands by turning it into a left vs. right political battle. Just talk about compassion for men and boys, cite the stats, and watch them stand there looking like the bigoted assholes they are.

[–]iainmf 44 points45 points46 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

From the March for Men's facebook event page:

This is a non-partisan event - it is not attached to any political side or movement. Everyone is invited and encouraged to attend!

[–]noriann 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome.

[–]armaadi 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Awesome. The very definition of inclusion, I like it.

[–]fonduman 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And here I thought inclusion meant only women

[–]armaadi 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a shame how many people think that.

[–]FromTheFarSouth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it true that this march was organized by a woman called Sydney Watson? I just checked her Facebook page and I think she should step down for the good of the Australian men's rights movement. Or at least, they should get a left-leaning person to lead the march along with her, if they want to show that it's actually a non-partisan event.

[–]HCEandALP4ever 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's good. Especially the part about compassion, and especially citing stats.

[–]HCEandALP4ever 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

I love that. I'm stealing it.

[–]iainmf 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/06/never-interfere/

[–]Reptilian_Brain_420 60 points61 points62 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Say no to sexism" by protesting men marching for awareness of their issues.

lol. retards.

[–]anonymouslionn 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, didn’t you know? Caring about men’s issue is sexist? It means that even a sliver of attention, care, empathy, etc is going towards men which means it isn’t going towards women, so yeah that’s sexist.

/s

[–]lostapwbm 78 points79 points80 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists: "If you care about men so much, why don't you hold your own events for men?"

Also Feminists: "THEY'RE HAVING A THING FOR MEN! SHUT IT DOWN!"

[–]noriann 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"THEY'RE HAVING A THING FOR MEN! SHUT IT DOWN!"

Those bastards can see!

[–]Lupinfujiko 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg. Yes! Thank you!!

[–]noriann 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay now it's ON, baby ;)

Their campaigns seek to enforce rigid gender norms, sexist stereotypes and violence toward women.

Are people really this fucking stupid? If they were motivated by sheer evil I might be able to muster up some grudging respect, given the power they wield; but it seems most of these twits are legitimately clueless. Like the idiots who protested screenings of the Red Pill without having even seen the movie.

This could be a real landmark if Australian MRA's promote the hell out of the event. And every man should encourage their female friends and family to come along.

Best of luck!

[–]montylemon 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Eh as long as they stay peaceful and respectful let them protest

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

Who knows, maybe they'll even read our banners for once. It's be a bloody first, but it could happen.

I think we need to flood their Facebook page with messages explaining what we are about.

[–]noriann 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are already spamming the March page. Exhibit A:

Did it ever cross your mind that social conditioning around traditional concepts of masculinity are significantly to blame for men's mental health issues, emotional stunting, and difficulty handling relationships? And that your anti-scientific notions that blame women for men's ills actually worsen the problem by adding fuel to the fire? Misogyny won't fix men's problems, it'll make them worse, by reinforcing the toxic, false ideas that make men's lives difficult, while harming the women in their lives, and so the cycle continues. It's some pretty absurd hypocrisy that lets this page claim it's helping men, when all the available evidence demonstrates that the ideas found here can only harm men. Tricking men into being misogynist losers as some sort of therapy is sick. Get a life you sad fucks.

I especially like the phrase "emotional stunting", as though men are defective, mentally ill psychos. And that men supposedly have "difficulty handing relationships". Well yeah, it's difficult having a relationship with your children when your ex-wife won't let you see them. Fucking slime.

I disagree about posting on their page. May as well try to reason with creationists. The time is better spent spreading the word.

Edit: and a feminist accusing someone of being "anti-science". You couldn't make this stuff up.

[–]iainmf 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists: Stoicism is toxic masculinity. Men need to express themselves more.

Men: We're are going to be expressing ourselves in the form of a march.

Feminists: Get a life you sad fucks

I find it really ironic that feminists reinforce the toxic masculinity they rail against by punishing men for expressing themselves.

[–]noriann 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pure cognitive dissonance.

[–]HCEandALP4ever 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Absolutely. Not a bad idea to boil it down to a simple script like that. Many will get the point.

[–]goodmod[S] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The point of posting on their page is not to change their minds,

The point is to influence the majority of people who are just reading the page and not posting on it.

[–]noriann 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think any neutral parties will be reading the page? I'm actually not familiar with how Facebook works. If the answer is "yes" then I agree with you.

[–]goodmod[S] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I think it's quite possible. People are curious, and some will visit the pages just to see what all the fuss is about.

If we provide rational arguments in contrast to the bigoted tirades of the feminists, reasonable people may consider that our side is the right one to be on.

[–]noriann 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough.

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

We need to undermine them using stuff like "But they don't blame women, they blame feminists protesting them when they speak up!" And "Then why do Feminists have no scientific citations for Patriarchy or toxic mascalinity? Why do they group blame men? And why do most sciences ridicule feminist theories?" Trick is to not let them get away with any of the usual bullshit. Bullshit like "science is controlled by men!"

[–]HCEandALP4ever 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A word about tactics:

I always find asking questions to be much more effective than making statements. Make a statement and you're vulnerable: your opponent can attack it in all sorts of ways — derisory jokes, rhetorical fireworks, appeals to emotion, etc. These can be quite effective at swinging people to their side.

For example, to take your suggestions, if we say:

"But they don't blame women, they blame feminists protesting them when they speak up!"

This is a statement. They could easily counter it with dozens of examples of angry MRAs actually blaming women. We can't deny that these exist. Or if we do, then the whole thing spirals into a tangential script with which both sides are familiar. Or they could take MRA's words out of context, as they famously do with Paul Elam. (That particular one has been proven false so many times, you would think people would see through their dishonesty by now. But remember, there are always people who won't, and there are always people who are reading this stuff for the first time.)

But if you ask questions, you put your opponent on the defensive. And if the questions are simple and of substance, people will notice. They'll think, "yeah, what about that? I want to hear them answer that."

And you ask great questions:

Then why do Feminists have no scientific citations for Patriarchy or toxic mascalinity? Why do they group blame men? And why do most sciences ridicule feminist theories?

I think that's the way to do it. The Socratic method. Ask questions. Keep asking questions. (On a humorous note, Asimov pointed out that this behavior of Socrates was so irritating, it's no surprise the Athenians finally had enough and made him drink poison.)

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a really good advice, thank you. I'm going to try and follow it, though I'm pretty sure I'll get blocked and banned whatever I do. :)

[–]HCEandALP4ever2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I've no doubt! :) But keep cool, and bring us a full report on what happens.

Incidentally, just to make sure I don't give a mistaken impression: there's nothing wrong with making statements — even quite strong ones. I just try to keep in mind three things: #1: the power of questions, as I detailed above; #2: to keep a cool head, which doesn't mean I can't speak vociferously and powerfully (I can do rhetorical fireworks too!), but it does make it a little easier for me to do #3: think a few moves ahead. Whether or not I make a statement or ask a question, I try to stay aware of where the argument is and where it's going. Most of all, I try not to get trapped into tangents that only serve to distract from a point my opponent wants to avoid.

I'm writing all this as if I'm an expert; sorry if it comes across like that. I'm definitely not! I just lurk a lot. Watching from the sidelines, it's a lot easier to see the way debates lay out, where people get distracted, where they make good or bad moves, etc. Armchair debating. Probably comes from me not trusting myself to keep a cool head when I'm actually in the thick of a debate myself.

[–]pobretano1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Save the prints lest anything they disappear.

[–]HCEandALP4ever 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think so. That seems to be how a lot of things work. It's an axiom of informal debates, too: you're not trying to convince your opponent; you're trying to convince the observers. That's why rhetoric often carries the day — people instinctively respond to strong personality much more than they do to logic. On the other hand, if a debater says nothing of substance and relies only on their personality, many will see through the sham.

(Formal debates follow more stringent rules, but they're rare these days.)

[–]Hannyu 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Creationists are far more reasonable than feminist in my experience, and I've lived in the Bible Belt my whole life.

[–]LedZeppelin1602 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Misogyny won't fix men's problems

Pro-men and/or anti feminism isn't misogynistic. But of course they can't understand that.

by reinforcing the toxic, false ideas that make men's lives difficult

Because of course men are incapable of having difficult lives

[–]NickSuccorso 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did it ever cross your mind that social conditioning around traditional concepts of masculinity are significantly to blame for men's mental health issues, emotional stunting, and difficulty handling relationships? . . . . Get a life you sad fucks.

Ahhhh, the irony.

[–]montylemon 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's a good thing exposing more people to our ideas if we stay respectful this could backfire and we could gain more supporters

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's hope. The echo chamber is strong with these people. Not that there isn't one on here, but we are more willing to fight it I hope.

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They never stay peaceful, especially if people ignore them and don't listen to their threats.

[–]noriann 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They do sometimes. There's a scene in the Red Pill where Paul Elam and a few others are holding a rally in Toronto. A bunch of SJW counter-protesters show up but they don't engage in any shenanigans. Even feminists have probably grown savvy enough to realize that attacking people speaking about men's rights is counter-productive to their cause. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to drown out the speakers with bullhorns or something though. That too will make them look like idiots, assuming the speakers talk about legitimate men's and boys issues.

[–]HCEandALP4ever 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. I know a lot of feminists, and some of them are extremely intelligent. That's not surprising; in any large group you'll find some intelligent people and some not so intelligent people. And intelligence is no protection against believing false or even harmful things. Especially when a person might have strong emotional reasons to believe.

But that same emotion can fuel behavior such as bullhorns. Some outside observers might see through those tactics. So it might not be so bad.

[–]LedZeppelin1602 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but we both know which of these two groups will be peaceful and respectful and which will harass and thrown urine bottles and chant hateful things

[–]montylemon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well one can hope

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are actually protesting men having rights?

[–]LedZeppelin1602 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They have called the rally to "remind men that it is okay to be masculine.

This is a quote from their page. By opposing this they oppose the notion that it's okay for men to be masculine. Pretty much confirms that all masculinity is toxic to these loons

[–]tenchineuro 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Join the National Union of Students Women's Department and the Campaign Against Racism and Fascism for this counter -protest to the March for Men.

I think I'll pass.

What are we protesting?

You hate men?

The "March for Men" Australia has been called by two far right Melbourne personalities Sydney Watson and Avi Yemeni. They have called the rally to "remind men that it is okay to be masculine." Globally Mens Rights Activists (MRAs) have operated as a gateway drug for the alt-right. Their campaigns seek to enforce rigid gender norms, sexist stereotypes and violence toward women. In Australia new groups such as the Proud Boys have been established which celebrate rape and decry women's equality. These are worrying trends.

Really?

Oddly, was this not pretty much what Cassie Jaye believed before she started talking to real MRAs?

[–]Rheticule 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Globally Mens Rights Activists (MRAs) have operated as a gateway drug for the alt-right

I actually believe this, or at least a gateway to more conservative beliefs, but probably not for the reasons they think. The reason it leads to people embracing more conservative, and even far-right views is because of how these groups RESPOND to those that are even CURIOUS about men's rights. If you're immediately considered the enemy from the political side you thought you were on for expressing completely logical thoughts, what choice do you have but to say "Ok, maybe I'm not liberal then, if everyone who IS liberal thinks I should die".

[–]turbulance4 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I view it more as just a temporary stop off for folks already traveling in that direction anyway. If you just assume that some people are going to be "alt-right" regardless, it makes sense that they would follow a path of least resistance into getting there. That doesn't mean the mrm is creating alt-righters, just that some choose to associate with the mrm on the way there.

[–]theAnalepticAlzabo 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We aren't even politically aligned!! 'Far right', my ass!! Like half of us are left-ish!!!

[–]auMatech 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is them grasping at straws, if they know nothing about their opposition they'll invent something to discredit them

[–]NickSuccorso 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Using 'alt-right' to dismiss the views of your opponent is the dumbest thing.

[–]a-man-from-earth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're even slightly towards the right of Antifa, you are literally a Nazi.

[–]sampatri 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cliche warning: "this might not be a popular viewpoint"...

I've always considered broad stroke awareness campaigns to be somewhat ineffective.

Pick a single issue, and raise awareness. Circumcision (although I guess Mr Yemeni wouldn't be in favor), suicide, homelessness, failing grades, fathers rights, reproductive rights etc.

Or be more original. Do a protest specifically to end quotas. Nothing else, stick to one topic, grab onto it like a pitbull, never let go no matter how many red herrings they throw at you.

At least thats how I see things.

[–]UNLIKELYME 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"remind men that it is okay to be masculine."

This about the only reason they give in an otherwise very vague statement. But, yeah, masculinity is their enemy .. or is this a fake FB page. I mean, who in their right minds, would think that masculinituý is a bad thing? Hell, masculinity created the society we are enjoying in the first world countries. I think it's fake.

[–]a-man-from-earth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, who in their right minds, would think that masculinituý is a bad thing?

The problem is, there are quite a lot of people not in their right minds.

[–]turbulance4 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone please arrange a counter-counter protest, to protest this one. I want to see this go full meta

[–]Retrovex 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What if there was a counter protest to a women's march?

[–]NotSiZhe 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Campaign against racism and fascism" - not even campaign against 'misogyny'. Black and red of anarcho-socialism/communism. No surprises.

[–]BlueZir 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"MRA have acted as a gateway drug for the alt right."

No, third wave feminism with all its unchecked emotional and verbal abuse is more of a gateway drug to the alt-right. Men who try to seek their identity in the current social climate get shot down and ostracized just for existing and those who try to go out and protest their point of view are met with this kind of shit. Women holding their fists in the air calling anyone white and male swine and pigs who don't deserve a voice.

It's not surprising some of them lose their shit and go too deep. That's what rampant hostility and hatred does to people. Modern feminism is on its way to becoming a hate group itself because the female equivalent of incels are incorporated into the greater whole and encouraged to continue to think irrationally and "fight" with whatever poorly honed reasoning skills they happen to have.

Personally, MRA didn't draw me towards it. I've been under the feminist spell myself and allowed it to cloud my perception of the truth and accept casual abuse from society. Feminism pushed me here. Some people don't stop here, some people get pushed so far that they end up filling the ranks of the really misguided men of the world.

[–]aussietoads 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And feminists and extreme lefties wonder why people #walkaway

[–]DevoutSubculture 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All of these marches and protests profit immensely off of opposition. The only reason certain people even give talks at Universities is in the hope that there will be a protest.

People care much more about fighting than the issues.

[–]NickSuccorso 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's currently a push in the media about women being murdered by their partners. Of course, it's a terrible thing but the media is pushing it as a 'crisis'. It's in this context that the counter protest will operate and be supported by the media.

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