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Infant dies during circumcision

Jenny-Summer

June 6, 2014

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Title	Infant dies during circumcision
Author	Jenny-Summer
Upvotes	187
Comments	76
Date	June 6, 2014 12:26 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/27fhvb/infant-dies-during-circumcision/
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Sexphobia + moral panic + inertia + money == male circumcision at birth is still the majority in US.

US circumcision really stems from Dr. Kellog (yes, of that Kellog family) pushing it as a prevention of masturbation around the turn of the 20th century. Then came inertia (a son should look like his father), and finally big pharmaceutical. An infant foreskin is worth approximately $400, and the procedure itself worth another $2-300. For that kind of money, it's no wonder that scam organizations like the AAP still promote it.

Religious circumcision in the US is not very prevalent. The only religion that requires it is Judaism, which is approximately 2% of the US population (so approximately 1% of US males). Islam and Christianity do not require it, though Islam as a religion does somewhat promote it. Christianity as a religion does not promote it at all. The only reason circumcision is associated with Christianity is because of the misguided notion that it curbs sexuality (because conservative Christian nutters fear sex).

[–]Black_caped_man3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The Victorian era was a shitstain on our history, it is there that much of the vilification of sex comes into play and probably the birth time of our more "strict" gender roles.

Before the Victorian era it was common to see women working in mines with the men (though not really the same positions) then that whole deal was put to a stop. Women were not allowed to work in the mines under such contidions and for the sake of decency. Having women working with their bare upper bodies could reduce the sexual attraction of men towards women and so there would be less children.

It is also the time when circumcision became widespread in America thanks to Dr. Kellog and others. It was said that circumcision would reduce the urge to masturbate, an action that could cause all manner of different diseases, many of them deadly. He of course had an action ready to reduce the masturbatory habits of girls too, just drip a little acid on the clitoris, what harm could that make hmm?

This was the birth of non-ritual circumcision and with that it just spread, because it was the "right thing to do". People questioned the practice and doctors came up with silly and unsubstantial reasons but they were doctors so they probably knew best.

Today it is done mostly because that's "how it's always been" and it is still considered the norm.

It doesn't take much to convince the general public of an opinion, and give it two or three generations and nobody will ever think that things could be different.

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yup, but all to true.

It's hard to find unbiased information about pre Victorian life, at least in the areas and details that I'm looking at. But I did see a documentary about how it was not uncommon for women to be in charge of their own plantations or mansions or handle their husbands businesses when they were away or unable. The thing is that there is no real paper evidence of this IIRC, since the signature had to be the man's because they had all the responsibility.

The same with old kings and queens, when the king was away the queen took over all of his royal duties in his name.

Much of "patriarchy" can actually be traced to the Victorian era where such beliefs really took off.

There is more research to be done but it opens an alternate view of history that could have some pretty big impacts.

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They are very difficult to get because circumcision will very often not be cited as the cause since it's considered normal, if not mandatory in the US. You will get "infection", "hemorrhage", "didn't survive anesthesia" or stuff like that, which are complications that only happened because an unnecessary surgery that broke the Hipppocratic oath was performed against the patient's will in the first place.

For the US we have this, the estimation is about 117 newborn deaths a year (link posted above)

You can find a few individual cases reported, but most just die in silence without making it to the news unfortunately.

And then we have data for when circumcision is done in the same conditions of hygiene as female circumcision, pretty much in the jungle. It becomes very deadly. Results are as follows, keep in mind this is only one province in South Africa, not even a national statistic.

Botched circumcisions claimed 496 lives and there were 221 penile amputations between June 2006 and December last year [2013] in the province.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/eastern-cape/spooks-to-curb-circumcision-deaths-1.1647841

From another South African Province:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10073918/33-men-die-in-South-African-circumcision-ceremonies.html

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The foreskin serves almost no function.

The foreskin is the most fine-touch sensitive part of the penis. In fact, it contains practically all of the fine-touch mechanoreceptors in the penis so excising it destroys the penis ability to perceive small textures and rapid changes in texture, the same way the tip of our fingers do, which is what allows, for example, blind people to read braille.
The foreskin is attached to one of the two most erogenous parts of the penis, which is also usually stripped away during circumcision, the frenulum. It is as least as sexually responsible as the corona of the head of the penis, probably more so.
The foreskin is two-layered, an outer layer composed of normal skin and an inner layer of mucous membrane. The internal structure of the penis is, like most mucous membranes, fragile and vulnerable to damage from friction and dehydration. On healthy mucous membranes, nerve endings are surface lying; in damaged ones they are buried under layers of dead skin cells. This is why circumcised men can stand having their glandes dry and rubbing against their underwear all day, it reduces how much stimulation is manages to get through to the nerve endings.
Circumcision mostly destroys the natural mechanical function of the penis from an object that can almost frictionlessly displace almost its entire length to one where there is friction at every point of contact. Not only is the surface area being stimulated smaller and devoid of specialised and erogenous bits, the penis itself loses the ability to stimulate itself. For all purposes the foreskin function like an in-built fleshlight.

That said, whether a part of the body serves a function or not is not as relevant as you seem to think when it comes to determining whether others should be allowed to cut it off without your consent.

Should it be legal for me to, for example, amputate my son's earlobes or nipples?

All it does is make a penis look much uglier, and it needs to be cleaned much more thoroughly than a "cut" penis.

Aesthetics are subjective; most people around the world would consider a circumcised penis in the same vein as a hand that is missing a finger—distasteful and macabre. In some countries they completely remove all of a girl's external genitalia because they believe a completely smooth look is more attractive and feminine. One one hand, you have people that believe that scarred up, discoloured and damaged organ is more beautiful and on the other you have those that prefer a healthy looking one.

Do you honestly think that the young boy will remember the pain, because I sure as hell don't!

If I drugged you right now and sodomised you, you would have no recollection of the act. Does that make it acceptable? And just for the record, we're not talking about just a little bit of pain here, we're talking about excruciating suffering comparable to many methods of torture.

The penis is one of the most sensitive parts of the body and circumcision requires that the foreskin, which is fused to the head of the penis in infants, be torn apart like you would pull off a fingernail, before any cutting even begins.

You could burn your baby with a hot poker and not cause him any more pain than that.

And I am going to say that those civilized countries that have declawing banned, must really like having shredded couches.

It's a cost benefit analysis. On one hand you have the possibility of property destruction, on the other you have animal torture and mutilation where the fingertips of a sentient being is being amputated.

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