Just can't do it today.

Neurotikitty · 2012-06-12T18:53:22+00:00

Hey now. Everyone has the right to get drunk and make terrible decisions. This is America. :)

johntheother · 2012-06-12T19:02:12+00:00

consider the alternatives.

if you're a man, being told on a nearly constant basis that you're an inferior human, due to your sex, being told that you are a rapist, a rape enabler, and a rape apologist, despise having never committed rape, nor entertained a desire to do so, and being told that your existence as a living human being is, by itself an act of oppression against all women - and that the only way to be a "good" man is to jump on board this bandwagon of hate and accusation and start openly trashing all other men, it boils down to a simple choice.

Keep your self respect, be a human being and defend yourself, while treading carefully enough to avoid falling into the trap of hate.

or, be an amoral enabler of the culture of hate which now passes itself off as female empowerment.

Its a simple choice.

AnthonyZarat · 2012-06-12T19:19:53+00:00

Thank you for your support. It means more than you know.

Sometimes MRAs start to (wrongly) blame women for men's lack of legal rights and protections. It is important to remember that most women are egalitarians, that most women would never support laws that discriminate. A small group of radical feminists have hijacked the media spotlight, and they claim to speak for all women ... but they do NOT speak for all women. Most women flatly reject feminism (only 20% self-identify as feminists).

Funcuz · 2012-06-13T04:46:46+00:00

Truly , your support is appreciated . You sympathy even more so .

As is so often the case for all people , we eventually find it too tedious to preface every single comment we make about women or feminists with the old "... but not all women/feminists are like that." line .

I just ask that when the time comes (and eventually it will) that you read what you perceive as a direct attack on you because you're a woman , you remember two things : 1- Very few MRAs actually 'hate' anyone . They simply want some semblance of fairness in some important matters 2- It probably doesn't actually apply to you as a reasonable person . Whatever precipitated the verbal attack wasn't meant to include ALL women . In other words , just preface each comment with the old "...but not all ______ are like that ." line .

Again though , thank you for your support and thank you for caring enough to speak up about it as well .

InfallibleBiship · 2012-06-12T19:15:17+00:00

People are just ignoring so many MR issues as if they don't exist.

This is why /r/mensrights is the way it is, because men's issues are tossed aside as unimportant by the general public. As a result, people here feel the need to post stories to prove things we already know (wage gap hyperboles, child support and custody issues, female violence, false rape accusations, sentencing disparities, the list goes on and on.

For me, it gets old. I am looking forward to the day when MR is about activism, rather than just proving legitimacy.

girlwriteswhat · 2012-06-12T23:26:16+00:00

Even Typhonblue recently told me she might need a little time off, just because of how disheartening this stuff is. It's like screaming into the wind until you're hoarse.

I look at it this way, with everything, not just this stuff. You do what you have to. Even if it's dangerous, and even if it's not fun. But when you need to and you can, you take a breather and live to fight another day.

girlwriteswhat · 2012-06-12T20:01:15+00:00

And if you want to get even more depressed, I predict it is only going to get worse. The vast majority of women will not change. Even if it is their own son going over the cliff. The vast majority of men will defend women's interests.

That's why political activism is much less important than raising awareness. We need to inform men of the cliff that is there, so they can do their best to avoid it.

rightsbot · 2012-06-12T18:42:19+00:00

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reidhasguitar · 2012-06-13T05:22:30+00:00

I believe that nothing makes a cause stronger than when it is supported by someone who isn't affected by it.

Doctor_Loggins · 2012-06-13T06:02:23+00:00

Necessity, mostly. It's not like we've got a choice in the matter.

2012-06-13T00:11:37+00:00

I don't read it everyday. It upsets me too much. Sometimes I'll go a week or two. Its just reality.

Don't let it get you down, and don't let it characterize your life [I'm sure you don't.] Take time to seek out positive images of both men and women, and take time to bask in the light that both can bring.

mikesteane · 2012-06-13T05:35:37+00:00

Having reached a stage in my life where I am happy with almost everything, I find that my next goal is to try and leave something behind me when I die in a few decades time.

The men's movement, with his rapidly growing influence, is one way to do this, and I see great positivity in the improvements which look likely to happen. That having been said, there are more than a few stories that I just do not want to read because of their emotional effect.

thrway_1000 · 2012-06-12T21:32:50+00:00

Keep a stiff upper lip and try not to let it get you down. The fight for the right cause can sometimes ware you down. Take a break, recharge your batteries, and remember that fighting for what's right is rewarded by a better future.

rusty890 · 2012-06-13T06:23:34+00:00

Just from my experience, the great majority of women don't really pay attention to gender issues. And neither do most men. Most people, men and women, are simply trying to get by and live low-stress lives. Most of us are more worried about our our next paycheck than gender issues and many, if not most, of us want a person of the opposite sex in our lives.

Popular-Uprising- · 2012-06-13T00:03:03+00:00

I don't know how you guys do it every day, it wears me out.

We do it because we have no choice.

ToraZalinto · 2012-06-12T20:40:11+00:00

listening to women defend other women's right to get drunk and make terrible decisions.

I'll defend any woman and mans right to get drunk and make 'terrible decisions', too.

I may warn them not to, as I would warn someone not to talk down a high-crime street at night.. but people do have the right to get terribly drunk and walk down dark places and remain safe... the problem is with the people violating those rights.

bovedieu · 2012-06-13T04:23:37+00:00

I don't know how you guys do it every day, it wears me out.

Sex changes are expensive, and death is boring. We keep on because we can do no better. :)

2012-06-13T10:19:28+00:00

I take vacations from MR on once in awhile. It's a part of me now. It has also taught me much greater empathy for all other peoples and groups. There will be a time for us but we have to let the radfem agenda burn itself out first.

alaysian · 2012-06-13T17:44:23+00:00

I try and discuss the issue with people, not groups. When dealing with a group, it becomes easy to deny and attack rather than debate. People are less likely to do so. Especially when they feel they are being heard in return.

If I feel I'm making any headway with someone, it helps. As does having a wonderful gf who feels the same on this, and a mother who educated me on the many areas men face discrimination in when I was growing up.

Demonspawn · 2012-06-12T18:51:46+00:00

I don't know how you guys do it every day, it wears me out.

It doesn't wear me out because I know it won't matter. If it does somehow work, great! Otherwise, I've got my land, my guns, my family, and my willingness to kill: everything I'll need to survive the collapse which liberalism is creating via it's stupidity.

Revolt, Expat, Turtle. You can work on your pipe dream once you have solid footing should it fail.

(Honestly, this is how we've lost a lot of old MRAs... they've figured out the same and then mostly expated... then they realized saving the sheep was more cost then benefit. Were I to expat rather than turtle, I'd likely have the same C/B analysis. I'm not adverse to killing people, but I'd like to avoid it if possible.)

ReluctantRedditor275 · 2012-06-12T20:56:07+00:00

A woman who dresses like a slut, gets drunk, and goes home with a random guy does NOT deserve to be raped.

Likewise, if I leave my wallet on the seat of my car and don't lock the doors in a bad neighborhood, I do not deserve to have it stolen... but there were some pretty simple steps I could have taken to prevent that outcome.

TheLadyEve · 2012-06-13T01:55:24+00:00

"terrible decisions" is a vague phrase. Are you talking about women who get plastered, virtually pass out, and then get raped? Or are you talking about women who get drunk with men and have sex with them and then regret it? The difference is a matter of consent. If this woman you speak of gave consent, that's one thing--but "making a terrible decision" is a really loaded term.

Grapeban · 2012-06-13T01:44:06+00:00

And again I ask the question, if someone gets drunk and is raped, why do we blame the drunk victim more than the rapist?

Title	Just can't do it today.
Author	doch_doch
Upvotes	108
Comments	120
Date	June 12, 2012 6:40 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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