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Man spends 3 months in jail over rape claim, during which time his brother dug up text messages on accuser’s friend’s phone that showed she planned to frame him after breakup. No jail time for the accuser!?

svk7

February 1, 2018
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Title Man spends 3 months in jail over rape claim, during which time his brother dug up text messages on accuser’s friend’s phone that showed she planned to frame him after breakup. No jail time for the accuser!?
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Date February 1, 2018 2:02 PM UTC
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Interesting listen. We should all actively work on peeling back the layers of our own biases.

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[–][deleted] 417 points418 points419 points 8 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that's fucked.

[+]Daddie01 points 8 years ago [recovered] (38 children) | Copy Link

Nope, its reality.

This is the exact reason an "accuser" not "victim" should initially be taken seriously, but not automatically believed. Both the accuser and the accused should rename anonymous until everything gets sorted out.

I saw a link to an article the other day on how to stop some false allegations regarding #metoo, and they suggested keeping both parties anonymous. I agree it would stop some, but not all. There are some women who would still go all in to try and ruin a mans life.

It's absolute bullshit that she got to drag him through the mud, cost him his job, etc, and she can't be named because of legal reasons?

How much time and resources did she cost everyone involved? They should make these people pay everything back, and have a register as a "false accuser", just like a sexual abuser does.

I bet that would cut down on false accusations.

[–][deleted] 112 points113 points114 points 8 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

It would really help. "Victim" mentality is plaguing our society today and it is terrible. People who did nothing get charged and victimized while worthless parasites get away with committing crimes. It really sickens me. But this is the agenda at work.

[–]Rethgil 75 points76 points77 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Let's be accurate though-its not simply a victim society. Its a FEMALE victim society.

We need a return to a balance of personal responsibility and accountability. Starting with proof.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are totally right.

[–]TheVineyard00 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Might get criticized for saying this here but it's really not just women, like yeah that's big issue but victim mentality is a lot more widespread than men's rights.

[–]Spostman 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

You're not wrong. It's where the "nice guy" meme comes from. Dudes feeling victimized for being rejected; rather than accepting that you can't control other people's actions... that they have a lot of introspection to do... and problematic personal/social attributes to work on. Being accepting of faults and weird traits is not the same as having strong social awareness and positive peer interactions.

[–]Argosy37 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

How many of these "nice guys" are filing false police reports when they don't get what they want though?

[–]VicarOfAstaldo 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Starting a conversation about an issue with a cultural mentality, talking about how widespread it is, “now wait a minute let’s talk about this specific real issue and not the cultural mentality.”

Love the cycle.

[–]TheVineyard00 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, that's always been my biggest issue with this sub. The whole point they always try to make is how widespread the problem is (which is true), but the same two topics always end up in 95% of discussions: custody and rape accusations. There's a lot more to it, guys.

[–]Spostman -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

How many women are? I don't know. I certainly believe dudes lie for revenge purposes. It probably depends on exactly how victimized the individual feels. I don't see a lot of value in trying to discern who's doing it more and to what degree. The problem is the complete externalization of sub-par experiences. It's really shitty behavior - any way you slice it. People don't owe you sex... and an unfulfilling sexual encounter - is not rape. My generation is really shitty at taking responsibility for their actions.

[–]spelczech 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you can give me an example of a man anonymously and without penalty accusing a woman of something that will cost her jail time, loss of job, reputation, money and possibly family I 'd like to hear it.

[–]Spostman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

If you were actually interested in having your view challenged - you would try to think of one (or a few) yourself. Off the top of my head - divorce proceedings.

Edit: Also - most rape accusations are not "anonymous" by any stretch of the imagination.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I certainly believe dudes lie for revenge purposes.

Wow really? You make a comparison between that and feminists or false rape accusers?

How do you think the police react to "dudes lying for revenge purposes"?

How have the media reported or responded to " dudes lying for revenge purposes"?

Have they reported their claims?

Have they attacked anyone disagreeing and said they must be believed?

Have celebrities and politicians come out to say the same?

Sorry, but fuck off. You're clearly full of shit.

[–]Aivias 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So-called 'nice guys' (a misandric term used to shame the socially awkward and mentally ill) is a symptom of a cultural lie that tells men they can be friendly, nice and true to themselves and be successful in love. Its fed into people from a young age by mothers, sisters, schools and media that 'just being yourself' is enough. Again, providing you have no abnormalities or deficiencies in certain areas.

Your lack of empathy for confused and misled young men and the mentally ill is degrading to the mens rights movement

[–]Spostman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Ok dude. Your assumption of my attitude and stance on a complex and somewhat personal topic - is one type - of the "victimized" overreaction - I was talking about. To me - it's not a "movement" it's a basic recognition that men have certain problems because of their gender... just like women do. If anything - I advocate for the egalitarian rights movement.

[+]Ants_Oily_Hair1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

We have a Jewish problem. We just need to be OK w saying it. Sorry.

[–]speenatch 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck are you on about?

[+]Ants_Oily_Hair1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I know, I'm sorry, its a hard pill to swallow. The west is being destroyed by a vicitim mentality that stems from feminism which is a movement led by mostly Jewish, Marxist women. They have tremendous influnece in culture and have made it so taboo to ever criticize their group. See how you reacted?

Trust me, I was you once also.

[–]TheVineyard00 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They have tremendous influence in culture and have made it so taboo to ever criticize their group. See how you reacted?

Do you think the reaction would be any different if you said "we have a Black problem"? A "Japanese problem"? Hint: it wouldn't.

[–]ltdan1138 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s everyone. Females, white males, minorities, rich people, poor people, etc. Everyone is a victim from someone else’s own doing and we are all quick to point our fingers at the next person.

I agree with your statement. Everyone should fuck off and take personal responsibility. I find it outrageous how this man can be jailed for without evidence. This is not how our court system is designed. The burden of evidence should lie with the accuser.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You've confused facts.

Regardless of who YOU believe is behaving like a victim, that alone DOESNT make a victim culture.

That requires the culture to also automatically believe and enable them, leap to their defense without proof, evidence or question.

As such, the ONLY group with all that, is WOMEN.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Muh wamyn

[–]Always_Into_Somethin 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm no legal expert and don't understand these recent cases so can someone please help me out here?

She's an adult woman at 19. And even though there's now actual hard evidence that's not only exonerated him but PROVED that she's quite deliberately and maliciously lied, she still can't be named?? She hasn't been questioned or anything since this evidence came to light? The judge didn't even make any comment on the case? Will he be compensated?

Also the second screengrab of texts seems to show her bragging to her friend that she wants to ruin his life. Why didn't her friend raise an alarm or at least concern once this thing went to trial? Would that be classed as aiding and abetting or even conspiracy?

I'm just really confused by all these cases recently as they just don't make any sense at all. Are they still allowed legal protection even after they've been 'proven' to be the wrong-doer?

Seriously?

[–]mynameischrisd 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I imagine this falls into a bit of a limbo.

He wasn’t cleared of the charge, it was decided that there was not enough evidence to charge him. This case is different to similar stories of late, as in other circumstances the police did not disclose the messages for whatever reason. The messages were disclosed by police as part of the investigation.

He’s therefore still been accused and she is still the victim. Whether or not the CPS will pursue her will be down to the evidence they have.

[–]Always_Into_Somethin 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay maybe I didn't read the article properly. They believed they had enough evidence to keep him in jail for 3 months. But even now that new damning evidence has been brought forward in his favour, it's only enough to release him but not clear his name or pursue her or her friend is that what you're saying?

[–]mynameischrisd 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not a legal expert - but I imagine they had enough evidence to meet the threshold where he would be remanded in custody pending further investigation.

The purpose of remand is to protect the public / victim until there is enough evidence to charge.

[–]Always_Into_Somethin 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I never fully realised how the system is so flawed or open to abuse. Open to abuse by the police who are under pressure from the establishment and ideological lobby groups to secure more convictions no matter what. And then open to abuse by malicious individuals who know they're instantly protected before, during and after any trial so there's rarely if any at all comeback on to them if all goes wrong.

What I mean by that last bit is there seems to be no deterrent. Even if things don't go to plan and the trial collapses, the job is done. Their life and reputation is ruined and not to mention any long term mental or psychological damage something like this would cause. Meanwhile, the accuser walks off into the sunset and goes back to life with nobody that they ever come into contact with in future, any the wiser of the company they're in and the risk they potentially pose to them.

How did we actually get to this?

[–]mynameischrisd -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s one of those things where there isn’t an ideal solution, so we just have to work with something that’s kind of the most likely to work in the best way most of the time.

I agree there should be more protection for the accused, but on the flip side, there does need to be transparency around who is being arrested and why.

The problem with our discussing cases like this, is that we don’t have access to the full evidence / testimony, so we can only speculate on the vague reporting of what happened.

I’ve not read anything about the alleged assault or the details surrounding the original accusation, certainly in UK courts the burden is on the prosecutor to prove guilt to secure a conviction - and there are issues specific to sexual assault / rape (ie. you have two versions of a story, and have to work out what is the most likely to have happened - for context conviction rates are 5.7% (Kelly, Lovett and Regan, A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases, 2005).

I can speculate that the text messages would cause reasonable doubt in a trial jury, hence the case was dropped.

Importantly this doesn’t have any baring on whether or not he committed the crime, just that there is not enough evidence to convict him of it.

There is of course a flip side to this, and that is that there was enough evidence to arrest and remand the accused, which would potentially provide reasonable doubt should the CPS attempt to pursue the woman for making a false allegation.

There are checks and balances in place along an investigation (for example, a judge would have deemed there was enough evidence to remand the accused in custody) CPS lawyers decide whether there is sufficient evidence etc.

It’s a far from perfect system, both for those falsely accused and also those that are victims of a serious crime, but this is always going to be the issue when it’s a crime which is essentially one word against another.

[–]Rethgil 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely! False accuser register and a return to anonymity for men accused is a must.

[–]WolfeBane84 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That or they should have to pay all court costs and then are sentenced to the same jail time (use the minimum allowed for that jurisdiction) that the man they falsely accused would have gotten had he actually done anything.

[–]neveragoodtime 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would argue that a false rape accusation is a form of sexual abuse, it’s abuse for sexual reasons. Also, the accusation should lead to an investigation, not an arrest. If the investigation finds there is evidence a rape occurred, then an arrest would occur. Accusations can’t be used as evidence. I can accuse anyone of stealing my money, that doesn’t mean he’s going to be immoderately arrested unless an investigation finds evidence. Why is rape any different?

[–]RickeySanchez 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Keeping both parties anonymous would certainly cut down on the number of accusations made purely to extract money from high profile men. Also it is necessary to keep the accused anonymous so if they are cleared, their name hasn’t been dragged through the mud

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's male privilege under the Patriarchy...

[–]freak-000 326 points327 points328 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So her name can't be made public for "legal" reasons but he got dragged through hell over a false message?

[–]svk7[S] 171 points172 points173 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right!?! It’s infuriating. He says he can’t even leave his house due to the persecution he faces from neighbors and acquaintances. I hope he sues her for slander and emotional/psychological damages.

[–]Texas_Rangers 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Utter horseshit

[–]kursdragon 56 points57 points58 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro this is what feminism has brought us to, shit like this doesn't cause outrage, but someone not being referred to as their proper pronoun can get you send to jail :^)

[–]Yavga 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

First thought I had, surely when digging around a bit the name of this trash woman can be found. It should be spread far and wide.

Edit: Dug around and the sis has a facebook account and is already being bombarded by everyone, great police system the UK has. People will bother them for months to come until someone goes crazy and names her and then this person will be arrested for obstructing justice.

Big middle finger to 🇬🇧 police system

[–]Red_means_go 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree this is maddening. She ruins his life yet they can't name her name for legal reasons lol.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 212 points213 points214 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had claimed Connor raped her and videoed it after a boozy night out in June last year.

The woman can't be named for legal reasons, but nothing stops us from publishing the falsely accused guys name!

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What is the actual legal reason? I know accusers in rape cases are granted anonymity, but surely after the charges are proven false that is lifted? Especially when it's revealed that she is the criminal.

[–]chadwickofwv 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope, the laws were specifically designed to protect false accusers. Actual victims getting anonymity was an unintended consequence.

[–]josh_legs 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Come on dude. That is pure hyperbole and it doesn’t belong in an honest discussion of these things.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can’t even make it a civil matter and sue for defamation and damages for becoming a pariah and what not?

[–]ScienceIsALyre 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only his name, but plaster his picture all over the article.

[–]Queen_Jezza 102 points103 points104 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

she kidnapped him and locked him away from three months. just because she used the judicial system as a proxy to do this doesn't make that any less so, she should face the full consequences for that.

although with that being said the police should also face charges since they arrested him and filed charges with presumably very little evidence

[–]stonewall1979 40 points41 points42 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Might be different in the UK, but I don't think so, all the police need is a woman to say a few words with nothing to back up her allegations. And they have justification. In this case, withholding evidence does deserve to be addressed and restitution made to the real victim.

I'm in full support of "make her do the same punishment he endured" and let her sit in jail for three months. Let her support him until he is able to establish himself with new employment and a new home since she ripped those away from him.

As for the 'if we punish her, it'll keep real victims from coming forward" idea. She isn't a victim, she's a psychopath. Punish her to the fullest extent. Protect the real victims. But these useless assholes? Fuck them.

The real lesson here is "Never stick your dick in crazy".

[–]Queen_Jezza 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in full support of "make her do the same punishment he endured" and let her sit in jail for three months.

more than that. if you kidnap someone and hold them for three months normally you'd get a lot more than three months

[–]hjk85599g 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The real lesson here is "Never stick your dick in crazy".

No it's not. The real lesson here is the police are malicious fucking assholes who don't care about screwing over people they know are likely innocent because they can claim they're "good for the wimmins" by sending innocent men to jail for rape. I couldn't begin imagine how bad it would be for a black guy in America to be falsely accused by a vindictive white slut.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The real lesson here is "Never stick your dick in crazy".

That might help, but you don't need to have stuck your dick in crazy for the crazy to come after you

[–]stonewall1979 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Crazy certainly can come for you, but it's best not to advertise with flashing lights and neon.

Just sucks that no matter what we (men) do, or don't do, any woman can cry wolf and we're fucked.

[–]Rethgil 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Police were being sacked for imaginary infringement of feminist feelings. The police are simply meant to carry out the wishes of the UK Home Office guidelines.

The police here did NOT break these guidelines. They were written by politicians who were bending to feminist pressure groups and feminist biased obsessed media.

[–]oneandonlyA 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel that when lies like these are exposed, lies that can potentially ruin a person's life, it needs to - AT THE VERY LEAST - have punishment like financial and insurance fraud, to incentivize people to not commit such a horrible crime.

[+]primo_pastafarian1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (20 children) | Copy Link

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons,

Oh, but it's perfectly fine to name the innocent 19-year-old Connor Fitzgerald?

[+]Ace_Arma -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

She may have been a minor.

[+]primo_pastafarian1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

Maybe. But wouldn't the article have stated that to be the reason then?

"For legal reasons" sounds extremely vague.

[–]Ace_Arma 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure this girl has a wealthy mommy and daddy.

[+]primo_pastafarian1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Probably something like "if you tell people who I am, I'll sue you into the ground."

[–]Ace_Arma 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't that be ironic, reveal her name for false rape accusations and then get sued for slander.

[+]primo_pastafarian1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. But is it really slander if it's 100% true?

I'd be fucking pissed if I spent 3 months in jail and lost my job and had my reputation destroyed by a false accusation. It is an enormous injustice. To not be able to legally expose who did it though, that is just adding insult to injury. Kick a guy while he's down, eh?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Where do we draw the line.

Death penalty might be a bit far, but honestly she set out to destroy a life.

[+]primo_pastafarian1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

He spent 3 months in jail, so I'd say she should get 6 months, plus a civil suit to cover damages by lost reputation, lost time, lost job and income.

[–]grimsolem 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Except that if they hadn't found the new evidence, he would've spent 10-20 years in jail. Shouldn't she face that same penalty?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And when she can’t pay do we leave her in jail like men who can’t afford child support?

[–]ICA_Bronco 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the UK "victims" of a sex offence are entitled to remain anonymous for life under the Sexual Offences Act 2003. If an individual has a right of anonymity it means that they have a legal right to remain unnamed to the general public. They are also not allowed to be named in reports which are released to the general public through the press. This includes women who have made an allegation of rape which is being investigated by police, being put before the courts or has not resulted in a conviction.

[–]Rethgil 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She may have been an alien.

Come off it dude. The fact is we know even if she was an ex army corporal she would not have been named.

[–]ICA_Bronco 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she was a minor he would be charged with child molestation.

BTW legal age in UK is 16.

[–]JasTHook 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A better link: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/teen-spent-three-months-jail-fake-rape-charge-after-police-withheld-ruin-his-life-texts-1657763

[–]svk7[S] 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice, this one covers it well, too. I saw this story on one of Snapchat’s newsfeed stories this morning, and quickly looked it up online/copied to the link to the top hit to post it here while on the shitter.

[–]Ace_Arma 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why can't she be sued for slander, or defemation of character?

[–]hjk85599g 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

England is a shit hole.

[–]chaveznieves 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's stories like this that make me refuse to ever risk it in the dating scene. You never know who might get too attached and try to ruin your life. As a man, we're guilty until innocent, so why am I gonna risk having my life ruined for sex or a bit of companionship? It's sad that we have to choose between pursing the continuation of our genes like our DNA programs us to do, and potentially being locked away and have your reputation ruined by a woman who got a bit salty.

[–]svk7[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this missing a /s? 😂😂😂

I would never go that far, but I can see where you’re coming from. If you ask me, I very much like all the benefits that come with my girlfriend. The trick is figuring them (i.e., the girl) out before “committing” in every sense of the word in this context.

[–]chaveznieves 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's half sarcastic haha, but I truly did follow this. I mean, I truly don't pursue sex or relationships, but I'm not against the concept if presented to me, but you gotta show me a LOT of reason to trust you first, let alone fuck em. Cuz as soon as you allow yourself that vulnerability you open yourself up to situations like your post. But all that said, one did come along who gave me the reasons, so I'm happily with her, but as a concept for years before that I was happily single with no intention of searching. Definitely had no desire or intention to enter the dating crapshoot, and will have no desire if things don't work out with my current situation either. She came to me and accepted my beliefs so it was fine, but I don't really get "benefits" out of having a girlfriend. Sex doesn't mean anything to me and companionship isn't vital to me. I can give myself orgasms and entertain myself, did for years before, completely content.

I understand most people's mindsets as well, for most there is so much they desire out of relationships (usually sex) that they're willing to risk a LOT for a chance of it. But I don't find that instinctual primal need exists in me so I never feel any pull to take a risk trying to get it. If I'm horny I get the exact same satisfaction from doing it myself then someone else doing it for me, so why would I risk anything pursuing it if there's no extra benefit?

I'm a weird mofo.

[–]mattempirelic 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/MGTOW it's a real movement.

[–]JediMasterSteveDave 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Glad the woman's name can't be released for legal reasons and everyone knows this guy's name and address, former employer, and prob shoe size.

[–]tbl44 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The offending party forfeited his right to have his identity protected when he ruined an innocent person's life. The victim, however needs and deserves this right as she didn't ask for...oh what, the male is the victim and the female ruined an innocent life? Hmm. Everyone in this case deserves to have their identity protected, unfortunately the real victim's identity has already been released so, yeah. Unfortunate.

I would not be upset if whoever made that decision got doxxed.

[–]Rethgil 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

What has outraged me is how the media have BURIED the MAIN ISSUE here; the big outcome of all this is that the official UK Police organization has now been told it MUST review over ONE MILLION cases of men who were accused of rape by women, in case they too were so obviously falsely accused of rape!

But news reports of this national law review have been written simply as 'police to consider rape cases'-without mentioning ANYTHING about the main fact that it is MALES who were accused who will be having their cases reviewed.

The reason? Until now, evidence of social media posts that prove women were LYING about rape WERE NOT EVEN ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE! Men who were accused were denied such PROOF of their innocence!!! The police would simply BURY the truth-now they have been told they can't do this!!

This is REVOLUTIONARY news when you consider it. So of course the feminist biased mass media has hidden it. This is also why the male was awarded financial damages-just think what might happen if other falsely accused men now find proof of lies and SUE FOR DAMAGES! It might change the ENTIRE balance of 'believing women just because they say so' and finally take us back to a balance of needing proof 'beyond a reasonable doubt' before locking up innocent men! This is groundbreaking.

[–]Citoahc 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So, I looked up the "Threshold Test" mentionned in the article.

I might not understand it correctly, but to me it seems to be a way for cops to put someone in jail, without bail, because they think they MIGHT find more evidence in the future.

This screams "guilty until proven innocent" and seems to be legal.

Horrifying

[–]svk7[S] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure it would be the same exact series of events if it were the woman who was accused of rape, too! 🤔🤫

[–]serial_crusher[🍰] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't do anything over the top. prank call him or post a nude.

I mean, false rape allegations are certainly more "over the top" than revenge porn, but maybe you should just stick with the prank?

[–]circlhat 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But false rape is rare /s

[–]LegginMF12 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the penalty for a false rape claim should be the same as the penalty for actual rape.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The police are not securing enough rape convictions and because of that they are far too keen to go ahead with prosecutions that are flimsy at most."

Everyone knows that's what this is all about.

Let's just hope all these abortions of justice will drive conviction rates down to almost zero.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just imagine if you didn’t have a brother or family in your immediate vicinity that would care to look for evidence that would prove your innocence.. 12 years locked up.

[–]svk7[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was definitely one of the scarier realizations for me out of all this (with the worst, of course, being how little it takes to get someone else thrown in prison – with a rape story).

[+]FRedington1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

StopBelievingWomen

[–]svk7[S] 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone is capable of lying. However, I would agree that the huge double standard that exists with rape accusations needs to cease and that there has to be substantial proof before jail time.

[–]Reasonable-redditor 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's always tricky because rape (especially if the parties have had consensual sex before) is difficult to prove. It's a crime where little evidence is left behind / can be explained away as consensual.

I am always in the side that justice should be never punish the innocent. Unfortunately it is usually he said she said in these cases.

[–]Rethgil 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% this!

Why are we meant to trust female claims just because they are female?

Are we saying men are bigger liars?

[–]Splatriarchy 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if they know they can get away with it or something.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the patriarchy! The patriarchy!

[–]davidgoesham 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They couldn't name the female, but the male's name is plastered all over the internet. Smh.

[–]benno2332 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The woman can't be named for legal reasons but his name has been dragged through the mud for a blatant lie. She doesn't even get a wrap on the knuckles or anything and he's had his life destroyed

[–]TheNextMilo 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The thing is, not all women are stupid. A good portion can easily make a very good case for rape quite easily if they want.

[–]svk7[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Scary takeaway number 5 from this…

Although I hardly doubt many, if any at all, of the women in the Hardy Weingburg or Olympic gymnastics doctor trials were lying.

[–]blueXcat 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"You're a good person, don't do it"

She isn't a good person, she's a cunt

[–]freedaemons 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Political activism and social awareness on this front is important, but there's little to nothing the average Joe/Jo can do about false accusers, just like we can't do much about the existence of rapists. Rape survivors get loads of support by making their status known, I say we whip up the same kind of public support for individuals who have been vindicated as having been falsely accused. Break out the T-shirt slogans and YouTube talking heads!

[–]Spoopsnloops 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have sex with someone, make sure you have their number or some method to contact them and afterwards ask in some way how the sex was. Like a brief convo that you can save and point to if a false accusation ever comes up.

[–]Vanriel 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It met the Threshold Test?

Well it sounds to me that this test needs to be reviewed ASAP

[–]originalOdawg 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting how the accuser frequently gets to remain anonymous even after being proven to be a false accusation ... that says something about society

[–]QuintusVS 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what is this bullshit that the victims name was plastered all over the news, and the psycho bitch is legally protected from her name being used.

that is completely fucked, the victim said himself he was afraid to leave his house because everyone believed he's a rapist, and the UK legal system is still trying to protect the actual criminal.

[–]ithinkoutloudtoo 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

With his brother knowing the details about this and who she was, you’d think that he would come forward with a YouTube video or go on a talk show or something. Was his brother charged with anything or was there a court case not allowing him to freely speak?

[–]svk7[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know, there might be. My biggest question is, if the dude being accused had all that evidence in those text messages from her suggesting she was going to do something vile like that, how did he end up in prison in the first place?

[–]ScottPress 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope the legal reason for not disclosing that cunt's name is so the guy can sue her for everything she will ever own, but I fcuking doubt it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The cops had the texts but continued to hold him in jail?

[–]svk7[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s what I’m saying. In a comment above somewhere I mentioned this was my biggest question/confusion.

[–]mcavvacm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The woman, who cannot be named for vaginal reasons, had claimed..."

I knew it!

[–]Aarondhp24 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im curious when the cops are going to wise the fuck up and start doong their jobs? Finding out Facebook has cached messages, that texts can be recovered, etc infuriates me. Where was the "investigation" for my case?

Why the fuck is this guys family responsible for discovering the truth?

[–]Blumol 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is this privilege that men face? What is the consequence for this bitch? I hate to condone violence but this lowlife deserves to be publicly humiliated and spat on.

[–]im_fine_just_tired 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the sun

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously not. Cops and judiciary workers are all agent smiths in the matrix.

[+]BoatZnHoes1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Thats the most poorly written article I've read in a long time.

[–]svk7[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A better link: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/teen-spent-three-months-jail-fake-rape-charge-after-police-withheld-ruin-his-life-texts-1657763

[+]BoatZnHoes1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you

[–]svk7[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything for you.

[–]TheDemeisen 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the Sun.

[–]flume04 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"the woman who cannot be named for legal reasons" yet his name is allowed to get smeered publically by the media at the time of his conviction. Fuck right off with that bullshit.

[–]Felony74 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey in the end its crap shoot .some guys treat their women like shit and never get accused and some like my friend who only owed a girlfriend some money got accused because she was pissed at him.In not giving up on women but you do have to be more cautious now as a man with this new movement #metoo

[–]Good-Boi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That whore must be thrown in jail. He should sue the shit out of her

[–]bonecrusher1 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

uk laws are terrible, 3 months in jail over ACCUSATION?

[–]Gravelayer 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can’t she be charged with conspiracy

[–]killerbake 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This case was charged in accordance with the Threshold Test, which is applied in serious cases where further evidence is expected to become available within a reasonable period.

Pretty sure that’s guilty till proven innocent.

[–]svk7[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao ikr?

[–]Thatguymorganwall 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminist don't actually care about other people

[–]Facky 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did he press charges?

[–]ajlunce 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

while this is fucked the reason there arent charges for this stuff is becuase it means that if a rapist goes free they can then get the victim thrown in jail.

[–]Sekolah 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone actually know what these "Legal reasons" are that protect someone who falsely accuses someone of such things?

[–]ksiazek7 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This kind of situation will start to end with murder. A clearly innocent man who's life is ruined. An accuser who gets no penalties. He gets no justice. Obviously not always but eventually these situations will start ending in revenge.

[–]kaosethema 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had claimed Connor raped her

classic sun

[–]hjk85599g 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If some vindictive slut falsely accuses me, I view it as akin to murder, effectively ending someones life for a malicious reason, so I'll kill her. Bitches need to learn this sort of shit won't be tolerate.

[–]funkymoose123 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Umm just playing devils advocate here, but how do the text messages clear him? I’m not saying he raped her but I don’t see any evidence of that in the article either. But She said she wanted to ruin his life. If a rape really happened, wouldn’t that been a reasonable response?

I feel like in this case it’s possible a rape could of happened but they dropped it not because it proved him innocent they just decided it wasn’t worth it to fight it in court.

[–]svk7[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmmm maybe that’s why he was put in jail in lieu of that text message thread.

It does say that was was only released when his brother found evidence of her saying she was framing him through texts she sent a mutual friend (of the girl’s and his brother). Read the whole article / not just the screenshots reddit shows.

[–]funkymoose123 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did read the article. It says that but I didn’t see a text in the article saying she was framing him, just that she was going to ruin his life. Was that considered the framing text message?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You were expecting justice or something?

[–]sonofsuperman1983 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say 50% of rape allegations are false nowadays. Which makes sense. It is 50/50 she is lying or telling the truth. It’s 50/50 he raped her or didn’t.

There was a study done year back in which one person had to press a button every time a person in the other room answer a question incorrectly. Each time the person answer incorrectly the individual would be electrocuted. The shocks became increasingly violent each time. The button presser could hear the screams getting loader and loader.

What they found from this study was that women are far more vicious then men especially when they can hide their identity and gender.

Men and women are equal but we are different. These difference affect how we behave. Men may have some bad trait but so do women. Men have been getting hit with a stick for the past few year for there bad behaviour. I think it’s time we start focusing on the bad behaviour of women and give them the stick.

[–]ZebraMantis 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a cunt.

Don't stick your dick in crazy. Surely there must have been some red flags? Yes, the system is set up so females can get away with this kind of shit, and it's horrible. It needs to change. Jail time for false accusers all the way. Equality. But we (parents) should also teach men about these types of females and teach them warning signs to avoid. You don't have to go full on MGTOW, you just need a better screening process.

[–]TheDemeisen 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you know the worst thing, if he does manager to get any money from suing the idiot police, they will deduct "Room and Board" for the 3 months he spent in Jail. It is sickening, and one among many reasons why the police in the UK are scum in uniform.

[–]crazypants88 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At some point there will be blood. I wouldn't stand for this injustice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A man would be fucking burned at the stake for this shit. I lose more respect for women every day.

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As rare as false rape allegations are they are very serious. This happened in the UK and they normally are sentenced to 10 years for lying about rape. They also wait to gather more evidence before pressing charges. So they may not have pressed charges yet because they are securing the case. If they don't press charges I hope that's included in his lawsuit, because according to the law she should have been.

[–]orangepalm -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article says nothing about consequences for the liar. Thay doesn't mean she didn't get any

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