Upon request, "Men don't have issues." "Yes they do." in image format

cody_au · 2012-11-27T11:40:06+00:00

Oh man I fucking hate that, "Your problem is created by men so its irrelevant" line, as if we really live in a patriarchal society where men are all in charge and to blame for everything.

thedevguy · 2012-11-27T11:58:31+00:00

Someone should make one with the following circular logic:

What is patriarchy?

It's a system created by men that benefits men

Men are often disadvantaged (perhaps a few footnotes here)

Those disadvantages are cased by patriarchy

So basically it's just a circle that keeps saying patriarchy benefits men, but also somehow disadvantages men.

Mack488 · 2012-11-27T08:44:26+00:00

Example, a single Dad trying to get his ex to pay up child support but he has to practically bang down the Feds doors to enforce it.

SilencingNarrative · 2012-11-27T13:44:17+00:00

I like it.

It shows the most common filters our culture has put in place to shut down discussions of men's issues, and how much rhetorical force the simple device of repetition has.

Most of the public discourse between power groups (men v women, blacks v whites, poor v rich, ubran v rural, blue v white collar, ...) consists of the rank and file of each group repeating a set of mutually reinforcing statements of the form "X is bad" or "X is good" without supplying much in the way of analysis.

Any power group needs a set of simple assertions that its members repeat in polite company, as the opportunity arises in daily life and polite company. Any group that doesn't do that is mercilessly marginalized and demonized by their competing groups in the never ending war for attention.

I think part of the reason feminist partisans have become so virulent is that men have not cohered as a power group and fought back against male-demonizing talking points. And part of the reason for that is men provide most of the labor and take on most of the physical (over 90% of workplace fatalities, die 5 years younger due to a lifetime of stress) and emotional risk (suicide rate 3 to 4x) required to produce the broad wealth society thrives on. Societies are in a constant struggle against each other for power and resources so the first thing any society worth its salt has to do is keep men, as a class, from complaining about their lot. What's changed recently is that the competition between societies is now less about how many children you can pump out and arm and more about how well you can educate and train your populace to think critically.

I spent some time trying to think of arguments to add to your 3 that would make the whole read better and I can't. Each argument I try takes away from the simplicity of what you wrote.

Well done.

2012-11-27T14:44:34+00:00

I agree with this image, but I believe you should change 'Men's Rights are Human Rights' to 'Men's Rights are also Human Rights'.

The way I read this it seems that men's rights are above all other human rights, but that could just be me and my basic lack of understanding a structure of a sentence, something I do a lot.

Crimson_D82 · 2012-11-27T14:18:28+00:00

Nothing short of awesome, too bad it really isn't that simple.

yiNXs · 2012-11-27T17:39:55+00:00

Hmm.. I want to like it, but the way this is stated comes across a bit like desperate pleading and not as strong statements. It has this air of "please, please listen to us! they do matter, they do!", towards a barely interested skeptic. It also offers anyone that is unknown with the cause 3 good arguments to put it very low on the priority list, if at all, and none to understand the necessity.

HERE_HAVE_SOME_AIDS · 2012-11-27T19:48:18+00:00

Very effective - positively frames men's issues without seeming to detract from women's issues. Well done.

Jovial_Gorilla · 2012-11-28T01:41:17+00:00

I SALUTE YOU, SIR!

I cannot stand the way the Men's issues are somehow seen as not as important just because of the gender that's inflicting it upon them.

JohnAdamZiolkowski · 2012-11-27T11:29:43+00:00

I think that it's important to make a certain distinction in the final bit there. "Men's Rights ARE Human Rights" is fairly ambiguous and could be misread to reflect negatively upon the movement.

The negative reading is this: "Men's Rights are Human Rights," so this movement seeks to encompass all of Human Rights, and therefore discusses every -important- Human Rights issue, rendering other human rights movements superfluous.

I know it's not what you mean, but it could certainly be worded better.

Pooters · 2012-11-27T16:18:20+00:00

"ok women's issues are worse so men's issues don't matter" This seems a little extreme...

obscure123456789 · 2012-11-28T03:26:23+00:00

Context?

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-11-27T12:06:00+00:00

Well yes, except mens issues are not less than women's issues, going by the numbers they are greater.

BastWithB · 2012-11-27T15:28:43+00:00

This subreddit is a joke.

Title	Upon request, "Men don't have issues." "Yes they do." in image format
Author	JohnAdamZiolkowski
Upvotes	711
Comments	106
Date	November 27, 2012 8:05 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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