BPR's, why is it oh so offensive when men do what cosmo, "the rules" and a 1000 different female orientated best sellers have been doing for decades?

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Countless women's best sellers and women's articles have talked about training men in.

The TRP stuff about "training your women" doesn't really bother me, precisely for what you cited. Calling it "training" is a bit demeaning, but, let's face it -- most romantic partners try to "train" each other a bit. Romantic partners tend to manipulate each other in minor and mostly harmless ways in the best of relationships. If this is done without malice and done mostly by positive reinforcement of desired behavior, I don't see a problem with it.

So if TRP really did focus on self-improvement and ways to try to improve your woman's behavior toward you, requiring your SO to act respectfully towards you or else being ready to leave her, then I wouldn't dislike it. And yes, I have known many men (my own father for one) in bad relationships with controlling and disrespectful women who beat them up and then hated them for their weakness. That is not a good place to be, and men need to escape those relationships. To the extent that "Red Pill Thinking" (not really TRP itself) helps with that, it's a force for good.

But no, TRP does much, much worse. It encourages actively manipulating women in order to keep them constantly insecure. It encourages policing and monitoring women for possible "hypergamy", even to the point of invading their privacy. Blend all that in with the constant refrains of how women are inherently weak, selfish, immature, and so on and you end up with the terrible subreddit that is TRP. It's the electronic male version of Cosmo with a heavy dash of pure solipsistic evil stirred in.

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The teach men not to rape campaign is not about women being careful, which they should, that is what autonomy is all about.

I can't bitch about soft feminism, only ratched cunts that use feminist as a portmantreau.

as opposed to TRP which actively encourages this behavior.

we encourage people to not have exagerated expectations. If a girl is preocupied with "finding herself" fuck her and say good bye. If a chick want's to settle down tell her you are only interested in fucking and let her decide is she is interested or not.

Yes, and all that is manipulative shit. Beyond that dread game, being more attractive than your partner of having the occasional fit is also in there. Most TRP methods is women game adapted for bitches.

All men are less intelligent and inferior to women

it certainly is implied in all women targeted media, even the first lady thinks so.

Again the thinking with your dick is partially true and a very well accepted stereotype.

Men are like children.

you know this is very predominant. Especially because bottom of the barell feminism is not about pushing women up but about pulling men down, infantilising is childs play considering the rest of their attitudes.

Yes it is comparable, both are gender strategies broke down for the lay(wo)men. And yes, if there where better sources for male sexual strategies I would agree that both are crap, but there isn't however so we are stuck with it while upper level women's(feminist) strategies usually revolves around ego stroking mantras "you don'+t need a man", "you go girl" "love me unquestionably with my flaws and all." and the classic "Men are just intimidated by smart, educated, determined, opinionated and powerfull mature women"

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I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Bitching about an entire gender is always seen as unreasonable even if it occurs right after a breakup. The people around you will tolerate it because they understand you're in pain right after a breakup but eventually they will expect you to get over it. This is true for both men and women.

I am saying that pushin a weak blue piller right back into the game is cruel.

Bun not true for internet forums.

They take how they feel about women after a bad experience and make it their rule of thumb in life for interacting with women.

don't confuse our mysoginy with anger, the rhetoric is not emotion based but experience based. And most of our experieces are pretty awesome- But FR are seened as showofish and don't get the view of a another divorce rape.

It's the safest place for them to be, their real life friends will push them to be another cunts bag boy. And the cycle repeats its self. There he may stumble one of my comments or other better speakers and say, yeah women do suck but that is just their nature, I can find happiness in this world if I become my own man.

It was a pandering joke, she knew her audience and pandered to them. That wasn't sarcasm but emphasis. Along the lines: I know it's not nice to say, but we all know it and since it's just us girls here, I'll say it.

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Except the pamphlets we're referring to don't do that. Instead tjey merely discuss a common problem many women face.

Nope, sorry they do

They misrepresent sexual aggression as male.

Feminist propaganda misrepresents domestic violence too.

Its the deliberate erasure of abuse, in order to create fear, resentment and support a conspiracy theory, as well as generate a lot of money.

An your divorce rate example doesn't work at all because men and women are sexually assaulted and abused at near equal rates, and typically only men get divorce raped.

If that's how you want to rationalize it, that's your deal.

Yes, I "rationalized" it by describing what it is. Its not a rationalization.

You're completely incapable of empathy for women any more, as evidenced by how genuinely upset you get at women merely discussing problems they face.

This is a projection of your own mind, as you are supporting the deliberate erasure of abuse victims. You are not upset they are being erased, you are upset someone is saying that they are being erases.

The trp people, are your moral betters.

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Yeah but women do commonly exude those behaviors.

I'm sorry if you think that's misogyny, but we're sick and tired of being led down the primrose path of false beliefs and false expectations.

If women don't like those generalizations, then they need to stop being myopic, selfish, immature, hypergamous and solipsistic.

There are women out there that hold themselves to a higher regard. They are ridiculously few in number, but they are out there.

If you're a woman and you don't like being called disloyal, and uncomprehending of honor then don't fucking do or be those things.

The whole social mantra of feminism is based on a rather dark brand of selfishness. Feminists commonly put out misandrist messages and pass them off as enlightenment. They preach man-hate. They advocate for rescinding male civil rights. Feminists extol both self destructive and predatory behaviors that satiate desires for instant gratification.

They try to sensor opposing view points and double down on harmful policy when shown evidence of bad results. Its not an altruistic movement.

Women don't bat an eye at divorce rape, expect help getting hired and accepted into colleges, want to be believed by default on every accusation they make, get insulted when expected to pay for a meal, think drunken regretful sex is rape - and when anyone tries to have a conversation about male suicide or the effect of fatherlessness on society they make death threats, pound on desks, go on slut walks and pull fire alarms.

Here's a fucking clue. When you act like a child, people are going to notice. Some people are even going to call that out.

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80% of all divorces are pursued by women.

The #1 reason listed for why they are getting divorced?

Dissatisfaction.

1 in 3 children in the US are growing up without their fathers.

Funny thing about the internet... It allows people to share information about their common experiences and easily research the causes.

It's not difficult to notice that feminist narratives extol the kind of behaviors that are counter to addressing the growing problem of fatherlessness in the US. One only has to look at this one issue alone for my points to be properly illustrated.

When given their druthers women would rather use the state to force men to fork over their resources, than be loyal and honorable.

Our good friend Karen Straughan illustrates the point pretty decently.

How many men do you know of leave a marriage because of "dissatisfaction" and then force their ex-wives to make monthly payments to them for 10-15 years?

We're not talking about a few bad apples here. Half of all marriages end in divorce.

The savagery of the divorce effect on men, including financial ruination and the existence of unconstitutional debtors prisons has gotten the attention of men collectively. A man can love his family and work hard providing an affluent lifestyle, thinking he's leading a good life being a good man - and then his wife can wake up one morning and get a wild hair across her ass and destroy his life.

It really doesn't take much either. All she has to do is scrawl some halfway coherent accusations down, hand it over to court officials and 25 years of hard work and personal sacrifice by the husband is rendered meaningless.

"This may come as startling news to a public that has been led to believe that women are the ones who suffer financially postdivorce, not men. But the data show otherwise, according to an exhaustive study of the subject by Sanford L. Braver, a professor of psychology at Arizona State University and author of Divorced Dads: Shattering the Myths. "The man is in a lot poorer condition than the popular media portray," he says. "This idea of the swinging, happy-go-lucky, no-worries single guy in a bar... that's just not it at all." The misconception was fueled by Harvard professor Lenore Weitzman's widely cited book, The Divorce Revolution: The Unexpected Social and Economic Consequences for Women and Children in America.

Weitzman's 1985 tome claimed that postdivorce women and children suffer on average a 73 percent drop in their standard of living, while the divorced men's standard of living increased by 42 percent. Years later, Weitzman acknowledged a math error; the actual difference was 27 percent and 10 percent, respectively. But Braver says even that figure is based on severely flawed calculations. Weitzman and other social scientists ignored men's expenses — the tab for replacing everything from the bed to the TV to the house — as well as the routine costs of helping to raise the children, beyond child support. Even the tax code favors women: Not only is child support not tax deductible for fathers, but a custodial mother can take a $1,000 per child tax credit; the father cannot, even if he's paying. As "head of the household," the mother gets a lower tax rate and can claim the children as exemptions. If the ex-wife remarries, she is still entitled to child support, even if she marries a billionaire. Indeed, every year men are actually thrown in jail for failing to meet their child-support obligations. In the state of Michigan alone, nearly 3,000 men were locked up for that offense in 2005."

Men that do experience an increase of standard of living do in spite of divorce not because of it. Me personally, my divorce has cost me about $250K in lost assets, payments and fees. Nobody can say they are better off after having a quarter of a million dollars ganked from them. There's quite a few men out there who would say I got off easy, too. Let me tell you, it took a herculean effort to bounce back from being homeless from the divorce to get to where I am today.

This is why men vibrate with rage when feminists suggest women need to be the beneficiaries of presumed guilt in accusations of abuse. Women lie to get what they want in courts.

I could write an entire post on malignant mother syndrome and parental alienation syndrome which NOW denies exists.

Enough of these behaviors are pervasive in contemporary society to such a point where men are asking why and what to do to avoid these things.

Our conclusion? The majority of women in western society suffer some form of narcissism related personality disorder and a good portion of them are borne from destructive, irrational feminist narratives.

We have every right to raise awareness to these issues - and I haven't even gotten into the observations of the PUA community. The MRA angle is enough to draw these hypotheses.

But according to Blue Pill feminist sycophants we are "misogynists" for recognizing these things.

Meanwhile, all it takes in a few minutes of reddit browsing to find "rape culture" dialogues. So it's perfectly OK for feminists to castigate all men as patriarchal shitlord rapists, but it's misogyny for guys in TRP to make the claim that women have narcissistic tendencies. Even saying this is false equivalency - because "rape culture" is based on an extremely dubious set of studies that laughably inflate the existence of rape and the growing rate of fatherlessness is real and verifiable.

So I stand by what I said. If you don't like the statements TRP makes about the likelihoods prevalent in female behavior, then raise awareness among among women to not behave in such a manner. You can't expect to say nothing to see here and be taken seriously when the number of men (and children) getting shitfucked continues to grow.

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TL;DR: your example is a good example of something feminists typically do not support.

That being said, let me say why feminists typically don't condone these things…

Not putting your family life first while in your twenties, while you have the looks to get a great husband,

I'll give you that initial attraction is important, but really? A great husband doesn't have anything to do with looks. Either way, there are plenty of hot 30 year olds and 40 year olds, male or female.

and the patience to raise a kid.

I would argue that maturity would lead to more patience.

But instead focusing on getting a degree, career and having fun on other peoples money.

Other people's money? What are you talking about?

Now I give you that society makes professional development harder in your 30s and 40s (it's actually hard by womens standards, men face the same struggles regardless of age) but nature makes having a family even harder then.

Not sure what you're saying here.

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There are lots of best sellers. I'm reading a best seller right now: "Capital in the Twenty-First Century" I'm sure you've read it or at least know what it's about?? Since you're completely into this mainstream culture? I'm sure everyone you know is familiar with Thomas Piketty.

I'm mean, forchristssake, Scientology's Dianetics book is a best seller and its just batshit insane. I don't think mainstream culture subscribes to Dianetics.

It must be your world because you know what mumsnet says. I don't. No one I know does. You apparently have actually read Cosmo or someone you know has. I don't think I've ever picked up a Cosmo... I don't know anyone who has.

Either you subscribe to mumset/cosmo's mindset, or you subscribe to another mindset which uses these as some imagined enemy. If you like being in that world, it's not my business, but it seems like a shallow place to hang.

Now if you want to point to something specific this mumsnet says and discuss its merits or pitfalls, fine. That might be entertaining... but you're complaining about a whole world view and it's just not got much depth or interest to it. Maybe expand your world a bit if your "mainstream" is bothering you.

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Ok, let's do the numbers. Give me sources/numbers of how many copies of these best sellers sold.

For example, grabbing numbers from Forbes, Cosmo's circulation is listed at 3,000,000 world-wide. For comparison, Beyonce has a fan base estimated in the 100s of millions.

You might be able to argue Beyonce is mainstream, but Cosmo? We're talking an order of magnitude less. I know Beyonce fans. I don't know a fan of Cosmo. What about you? Does your mom, friend's gf, gf read cosmo? Do all the women in your life read Cosmo? (If so, maybe suggest better reading material for them.... maybe get more/different friends?)

Even if these are truly ubiquitous in our culture, I would suggest Cosmo doesn't sell to the successful. It's a rag based on self-hate in the guise of self-improvement... very much like TRP. Why buy into either?

You are part of this mainstream that holds these double standards.

I don't mean to insult you, but it's kinda obvious: You don't know shit about me.... But it'd be interesting to see you back up your statement. What double standards do I hold, and why?

You can put people in whatever box you like, but if those boxes are making you unhappy, it's time to get out of that mindset and see what else is out there.

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People overlook radfems and women venting about bad experiences with men, or take their side - when men do its perceived as evil.

No they don't.

Or did you miss the part of the internet outside of TRP that literally hates radfems.

They're disparaged in the mainstream way more than TRP. Hell most people don't even know what TRP is. But they know what a radfem is and not to like it.

TBP/PPD... not real life.

The media coverage TRP did get was right after the Eliot Rodgers shooting and the reason people thought it was "evil" is because you're front page makes it easy for someone to think that. It's extremely bitter toward women and all of the expletives in the world are saved for female kind.

No. I know there is research showing that men treating women equally, is perceived as misogyny due to women being used to special treatment.

And I'm sure there's also research showing that when some women decide to go to work instead of become a SAHM, some men feel as though it's a slight against them because they're used to certain historical special treatment and expectations of having a helper/partner at home.

We can both play the "special treatment" game.

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No they don't.

Yes they do, just go to a mainstream site like mums net or jezebel and look at the way they bitch about men. Read Guardian articles by feminists.

Its being going on in plain sight for decades, you cannot see it because its normal.

We can both play the "special treatment" game.

Not really, because men don't get special treatment and research shows that if women are treated like men, its perceived as misogny.

For example, rp behaving like women have been in the mainstream is perceived as evil and deviant.

Plus, traditional marriages weren't men getting special treatment, its the only set up that worked before modern technology. Now housewives get special treatment, he works to pay for a home she can evict him from at anytime. He is basically a tenant in his own home.

You keep citing womens studies narratives and tales of womens eternal woe as if they are reality.

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You brought up radfems, not I.

Im talking about the average women like you ij the mainstream who says and believes things like men historically beat women because they are smarter than them.

For the last time... I was being facetious. I literally spelled out what my actual thoughts on it were and you agreed with me.

You also seem to love accusing everyone else of lies and fantasies as if none of what those people claim ever happened. It's all a huge conspiracy? Where there is smoke, there's fire.

Something happened enough times for it to be legitimate concern for some people.

I don't necessarily disagree with you overall. We agree on a lot. But you have a tendency to claim things as illegitimate or even better, claim something never happened or existed, to shape your narrative.

And my view is, it's all a piece of the pie (big or small) that shaped the greater narrative.

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I'm think OP is aiming at a wider point. Cosmo is meant to represent a larger subset of women's media.

For example, you can head down to you local bookstore megachain and check the relationship aisles. I've compared what I read there to trp and there are some funny similarities. Men do overtly get called stupid, one-dimensional, and governed by their "little boy glands". A lot of the advice is about how to manipulate their behaviour without explicit communication (the assumption is often that their fragile male egos can't handle it).

Of course, there's also much more moderate advice that uses politically correct phrasing. There's also what you'd consider "healthy" relationship advice that suggests communication. The point is though that the advice is varied and does contain a lot of objectionable content. Just that it rarely gets noticed or complained about.

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Actually, women ARE allowed to say women are smarter than men:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/6/michelle-obama-women-are-smarter-than-men/

Just how disconnected are you from reality? RP is a dark corner of the internet that hardly anyone knows about.

Shit, you can even CHEER about a man getting his penis cut and KEEP YOUR JOB in the media:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/sharon-osborne-leads-laughs-about-male-genital-mutilation

Imagine a man cheering/joking about female genital mutiliation, do you honestly believe he'd keep his job as an anchor or talk show host?

Also, look at this commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRXrhTL5u0E

This is PURE redpill: Look at that woman leave her extremely average looking husband for an alpha and even verbally confirming it. It's pure hypergamy/dual mating strategy. Tell me again that society doesn't push these messages out through media/advertisement.

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Sorry, but women have near complete control of the media. You're absurd.

And the idea that men are disposable isn't a recent phenomenon. In ancient days, if a village has most of it's men die out, then that's ok because a few men could impregnate the women and they could grow the village again. If most women died out, then they'd be fucked because there's only so many women who could give birth to repopulate the village. That's why society was setup the way it was in those days: men did all the dangerous work while they tried protecting women.

If men aren't disposable, then society would care that the overwhelming majority of workplaces related deaths are from men, more men commit suicide, etc. etc. etc. but they don't. Instead we march for breast cancer awareness while nobody marches for cancer related to men.

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Call me back when all the major tabloids stop taking pictures of women at the beach having fun and nitpicking their weight

Media created by and consumed by women. Also remember: slut shamers are mostly women, not men.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/science/a-cold-war-fought-by-women.html?_r=2&

Stigmatizing female promiscuity — a.k.a. slut-shaming — has often been blamed on men, who have a Darwinian incentive to discourage their spouses from straying. But they also have a Darwinian incentive to encourage other women to be promiscuous. Dr. Vaillancourt said the experiment and other research suggest the stigma is enforced mainly by women.

Women need to stop shaming women. Stop bringing men into this.

making movies where any angry woman is seen as a bitch but an angry man is rational 100% of the time

lol what

or where Lena Dunham's show is criticized for being bad and not because of her weight or how she looks

I don't know who lena dunham is. But most media is controlled by women.

or when women can finally show their boobs on TV without it causing a big fuss.

As a fan of game of thrones, what the flying fuck are you talking about.

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You didn't disprove anything I just said except for citing the example about women mostly being slut-shamers, which I agree that most of them are, but your point was completely irrelevant to my point.

Women still aren't allowed to show their boobs on cable. Don't pretend to not know that.

Media is not controlled by the women, you can't just repeat that and think it's evidence.

And also, I thought of another little fun piece of "women controlling the media" to show you...

Why is Rush Limbaugh still with a job when he makes fun of a female politician not for her policy, but her looks? Would it be okay if a woman only went on a tirade about a public official just because of how he looked? No, she'd get called superficial! Yet here we are, and Rush is still making millions of dollars. But women definitely control the media.

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You didn't disprove anything I just said except for citing the example about women mostly being slut-shamers, which I agree that most of them are, but your point was completely irrelevant to my point.

It's completely relevant to your point. Shitty media is the fault of women. How else do you explain fifty shades of grey/twilight where abusive alpha men are glamorized? Because that's what many women want.

Women still aren't allowed to show their boobs on cable. Don't pretend to not know that.

Again, what the flying fuck are you talking about. This is not true.

Media is not controlled by the women, you can't just repeat that and think it's evidence.

I gave you tons of evidence. Women are allowed to be shitty towards women.

Why is Rush Limbaugh still with a job when he makes fun of a female politician not for her policy, but her looks? Would it be okay if a woman only went on a tirade about a public official just because of how he looked? No, she'd get called superficial! Yet here we are, and Rush is still making millions of dollars. But women definitely control the media.[1]

Rush Limbaugh is on fringe rightwing radio. That doesn't compare to the overwhelming majority of media (TV, movies, and the REST OF radio) where women control the message.

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People can disagree with us all they like, but even in the extremely egalitarian modern Nordic societies you still have clear division in preferred career types which is further evidence that gender roles do form naturally.

I wouldn't say that's solid evidence. Just because men and women are equal under the law in these countries doesn't mean there are social pressures that push people toward certain careers.

There was a documentary done about this that I believe was already debated here more than once.

I've seen it. I don't put much stock in it. Very little of it is based on science, like maybe 5% of the documentary. The reality is that science isn't advanced enough to establish genetic sex differences. The closest we can come right now is looking at how testosterone effects brain formation. Just for one example, we know that a little testosterone likely increases intelligence while too little testosterone likely decreases intelligence. Thus women with high IQs have higher than average (for a women) testosterone, while men with high IQs have lower than average (for a man) testosterone.

That is the closest we have for scientific evidence as this is a burgeoning field of scientific study, unless you count every single successful civilization in the history of ever which were built on the backs of Patriarchs with the support of women.

I don't count that as evidence. For all of your points, you have used inductive reasoning to defend your position. Inductive reasoning is good so far as suggesting theory. Deductive reasoning is what's needed to prove theory.

So for your last point about patriarchy, inductive reasoning can offer the solution you presented, but it can also offer alternative solutions. Perhaps societies operated in patriarchies because women are inherently physically weaker and couldn't stand up for themselves. Perhaps agricultural societies had a gendered division of labor because early agriculture required brute strength. The only way to know which solution/theory is correct is to test them. Unfortunately, these theories aren't quite 100% testable right now. So for now, since so little can be proven with deductive reasoning, I choose not to take a stance. I don't think you're theory is wrong, I just think it hasn't been proven wrong or right, nor will it be for 50+ years.

In a similar way, we don't know what actually causes gravity. We can guess. In fact, someone could inductively reason that "god creates gravity." However since that theory and many other theories are untestable, I choose not to take a stance on the matter for now. This is the gist of why I choose not to take the red pill. I'd rather admit, "we don't know the answers" rather than speculate what the answers are based on extremely limited information. Scientists have to theorize because it's their job, but I really don't.

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Absolutely, and I'm sure you know the conclusion which will be drawn from this fact and how it applies to the topic at hand.

Do I? I think that knowledge further complicates our understanding of the world. Are physically strong high T men dominant? Or are more intelligent low T men dominant? In our society, I'd say it's the latter. IQ gets you further than brute strength. So would TRP call low T males alpha? I don't know. I think this topic highlights the rapid change our society has undergone. Today we value vastly different traits than we did 10,000 years ago. A baby born with type 1 diabetes and an IQ of 170 would be immensely valuable to modern society, but completely useless to ancient society.

Until something better comes along we must work with what we have.

I guess I can't really address this subject, because I've never needed anything better. I developed decent social skills early on and I can maintain relationships quite well (my current relationship is 5 years old). My techniques are very far from TRP, but I've never struggled in the sex or relationship departments.

bias... confirmed

Which is how most people, even the most intelligent humans on the planet, often form their opinions. I do admittedly dislike how TRP claims a position of logic, when TRP is no more logical than any average opinion on this earth. Is their logical involved? Sure, but there's also tons of emotion and bias. It's just human nature. As far as I know, the scientific method is the only known way to minimize or eliminate bias, and TRP does not strictly apply the scientific method ("strictly" being the key word). Heuristic is the word I would use to describe the nature TRP strategy. I feel like TRP claims to have a deeper understanding of the world. To me, heuristics can be effective, but they aren't "deeper understanding."

It is my job to be the most successful and happiest man I can be, and by educating myself about human nature, sexual dynamics, biology, and the history of civilization it has led me to several different strategies of dealing with the world, and RP has come out on top time and time again.

I suppose what qualifies as fact and education varies from person to person. I think your atheist vs believer metaphor is apt. Some people legitimately need religion to function, and some people don't. TRP is obviously very different from religion, but it does share at least one similarity in that some people can't function in their romantic lives without something to guide them. So while I disagree with TRP about 80% of the time, I see why men seek out these types of things. I think there are better alternatives. One user on this sub posted a few links to Mark Manson's stuff a few days ago and it seems more reasonable. But the point is I see why some men go looking for answers.

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Because if most men think like I do, we just don't give a flying fuck and I don't care to date any woman that reads that garbage no matter how hot she is. I have the intuition of nostradamus and a good judge of character and if any woman tried any sort of manipulation tactics like that on me, I would be out the door faster than they can say "alimony!"

I think a lot of the PUA themed blogs and sites are pretty offensive to women with a brain too. If you think about it, gender is sort of neutral here and this garbage is really just marketed toward narrow minded people.

EDIT: This reminds me, I actually once didn't call back an old flame back in my college days because I saw a cosmo on her floor. She tried to tell me she just read it for shits and giggles but after a few dates I noticed the manipulation tactics setting in...

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It's a matter of public record that he physically threatened several women and actually assaulted one whilst a university student. It's also a matter of public record that he was arrested for bashing a fellow (male) student.

This was your accusation.

""women are no better than pets and need to be beaten to keep in line"

In what way are Australian DV laws gendered?

Not so much gendered, the is a gendered application of them, and the DV system is informed by feminists, who have an unrealistic and misandrist view of DV and men and women.

Also shared parenting legislation was overturned in the basis of fraudulent and misandrist claims, made by feminists.

I have found it much easier to access assistance for male victims of family violence, especially men with children seeking refuge.

You mean men were able to bring their children to hostels full of alcoholics and elderly people.

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You still haven't addressed the lies you told about him.

that he believes that "women are no better than pets and need to be beaten to keep in line".

Yes, men -especially young, gay men - have been placed by social workers, at my request in safe houses.

You have skipped onto gay men - after you made a dubious claim about finding men and their children refuge - how did these men even get custody, in that situation she has custody. So what you described would be kidnapping under Australian laws.

it is most frequently the father or stepfather who is the instigator of violence.

Nope, the research on patterns of DV show its most frequently the female.

Female on male violence is usually taken much more seriously than male on female violence by first responders, but less seriously by peers.

I see, so first responders who are guided by feminist policies, take f - m more seriously than m - f. But that belief is totally reversed in the general population.

I'm wading around in feminist lies here.

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Firstly; that's what he wrote.

Don't believe you.

Secondly; you don't appear to have any idea about what constitutes kidnapping under the Westminister system

Someone who doesn't have custody rights taking children is kidnapping. An abused man fleeing the home, will not have applied for custody rights at that point.

Thirdly; my research comes from the Australian Beaumont of Statistics and the Victorian Police taskforce on family violence:

Australian GOV lies about and covers up womens DV from the top down, police records are not reliable because men under report and Australian women commonly use false accusations as a weapon and divorce strategy.

Where does yours come from?

The consensus of the family violence DV research community.

There's actually a "men at risk of homicide" register, primarily for when the woman can't take the beatings anymore and poisons him.

Yes, because when women kill men, they are the victims and its his fault.

Fifthy; why are gay men not men?

I didn't say they weren't.

You tried to pretend you were easily finding DV refuges for men fleeing with their children, even though this would constitute kidnapping in Australia. Then you said you find help for gay men in particular. I'm just keeping your story straight for you because you can't.

Finally; are you just being vexatious for shit and giggles?

I'm not being vexatious. You are telling all these lies. And I am responding to them.

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Custody isn't awarded until after a formal separation has been legally recognized. You do realize this, don't you? This can take months. Flight for safety and protection of a minor is legally enshrined under our safe haven laws, as passed by Prime minister Bob Hawke in 1983. DV is under reported per se. Primarily violence against children and older people. False accusations of violence are grossly outweighed by false assurances of non violence. I'm not pretending anything. Young, gay men (teenagers and young adults) are far and away the most common male DV victims. Young fathers are easy to place, frequently in safe houses and PCHN units following PNP episodes by a new mother. The safety of the minor is the primary concern, and if that minor is being held by his father/grandfather/big brother, then they go with him. I don't know why you think I'm lying, because you seem terribly unfamiliar with even basic premises of custody, parental rights, safe houses, social care and judicial responsibility.

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Custody isn't awarded until after a formal separation has been legally recognized. You do realize this, don't you?

Yeah, that's why a man who hasn't been awarded custody just leaving with the kids is kidnapping.

Young, gay men (teenagers and young adults) are far and away the most common male DV victims.

Feminist propaganda that erases women's violence. Gay men are the least likely of both men and women to experience DV. DV is most common in lesbian relationships, then heterosexual (and its female lead), then gay male relationships. Men are most at risk in heterosexual relationships.

I don't know why you think I'm lying,

Its because I caught you out lying and you are repeating feminist lies.

You work in social services employed by the Australian GOV. and you erase and misrepresent abuse - thats your normal.

You are inside a very misandrist and biased system, for more morally corrupt than say, trp.

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