Is TRP groupthink?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-12-22T15:04:45+00:00

There is diversity in RP, but it is not diversity you perceive. There are "enjoy the decline" platespinners, mgtows, mras, LTR/marriage dude, tradcons and religious TRPs.

What you are perceiving as groupthink is the exclusion of nonRedpill based thought, aka leftism and /feminism. Any non-left group has to be somewhat "group think" in it's vigilance against letting leftists and feminists invade it with their dialectic technique to destroy it. any group that isn't explicitly left and feminist will become so if they aren't kept out. They use the dialectic to drag the community to the left, all the original people leave and it's just another leftist/feminist space in a while. TRP would become SRS. In a month

This is why RPW ruthlessly deletes and bans any attempt by feminists to get the camels nose under the tent. Some group think is required to keep a sub on topic. Look how TWOX is suffering because they won't just ban and delete men randomly like RPW does lol

Apollo908 · 2015-12-22T13:09:19+00:00

This is a very ironic question. Blue pill thinking and society is so dogmatic and group think oriented that people who disagree have to do so on the Internet with their identities hidden less their lives be ruined for daring to have thoughts that contradict the party line.

The red pill has to restrict who can post in order to survive. If it didn't, best case scenario is that it would basically just be this sub, and worst case scenario it would be flooded with posts and comments shaming and threatening members for their decision to be there. Either way, it would cease to fulfill its purpose which is to help men learn how to get what they want.

ColdEiric · 2015-12-22T14:53:19+00:00

No.

I see so much collective thinking on relationship advice.

If you need to be told what in out discussion is valuable to you in your life and what's not, then you're not one of us, because we don't tell you what you're supposed to do with your life. We merely tell each other what is statistically likely to happen if you do this and that. Our discussions, our collective thinking, it's only about causation and correlation. Just like any STEM-subject. You're allowed to be stupid and suicidal if you want, but you're not allowed to preach the gospel of stupidity and suicide, like the moralist bluepillers and the feminists do.

We merely take a stand against the collection of suicidal behaviors, the preaching of how I am also supposed to slowly and surely kill me and my life by being a feminist. If you're insulted, good. We don't want you, if you are.

GayLubeOil · 2015-12-22T11:57:14+00:00

The Red Pill and the manosphere at large is a product of "organic" ideas. Dudes sit around inventing bro theories and throw it up on the internet. Some of it is good a lot of it isn't.

Feminism is dictated top down. Some committee came up with the horseshit statistic that 1 in five women are raped. Then a bunch of brain dead crayon eaters started repeating that shit untill it was changed to one in three.

So please excuse Red Pill for not letting every glue sniffer, crayon eater and idea repeater that wants to rub cultural Marxist shit all of his/her/Trans-Gender fat positive body into the party.

However to answer your concern trolling question. The Red Pill is cultural very diverse and as a result their are substantive differances between how we go about things.

fundude12 · 2015-12-22T12:34:31+00:00

Feminism is mostly group think too. If you deviate from feminism on college campuses, you will be SCREWED.

PoopInMyBottom · 2015-12-22T14:32:30+00:00

Any community in which ideas can be shared and people are punished or rewarded for sharing ideas is vulnerable to groupthink.

The entire structure of Reddit lends itself very well to groupthink. The upvote/downvote system causes agreeable ideas to be filtered to the top, and disagreeable ideas to be hidden. Users are socially punished for disagreeing with the group.

TRP is vulnerable to that, which is why there is so much groupthink in it. Nuanced criticisms of RP ideas tend not to get coverage, whereas agreement gets publicity. There is plenty of disagreement in TRP, but it tends to be "how can we fit this into our ideology?" Rather than: "is our ideology wrong?" You see the same disagreement in /r/feminism - they argue with each other all the time, but those arguments never question the core tenets of the ideology.

fundude12 · 2015-12-22T12:33:38+00:00

The TRP "subreddit" is mostly "group think" due to it being strictly moderated. Any deviation from the moderators will get you banned.

However, the overall manosphere/TRP is far from "group think".

Ever notice how much infighting there is between different factions in the manosphere? Literally, no one likes each other lol

AVFM vs MGTOW vs Roosh/Forney/Aurini vs TRP subreddit vs MRA subreddit vs Rollo vs Dalrock

Even at AVFM, there has been huge differences. Chapin, Atilla, JTO etc have all left AVFM

mgtowthrow1 · 2015-12-22T11:06:58+00:00

Of course it is dogmatism at its best, but as far as I understand the members don't mind it, because they still can get some value from it. If the value they are getting from it is perceived or real value is a different question.

Xemnas81 · 2015-12-22T14:56:45+00:00

TRP essentially provides a spectrum of thought typically off limits in the mainstream to the aforementioned collectivist group think.

Rollo Tomassi and Karen Straughan have enlightened me more than any other individuals on why the contemporary landscape of gender politics is such a minefield. It turns out 'patriarchal.values' weren't so bad after all.

That the spectrum of.thought poisoning intergender relationships is off limits in this sanctuary, is like asking why we don't invite terrorists to the VIP lounge of football games.

alreadyredschool · 2015-12-23T15:55:49+00:00

That is funny, I often, very often disagree with trp, I wrote nawalt more often than awalt, I never got banned, I managed to evoke a discussion. Why? Because I don't start with moralising.

Whisper · 2015-12-23T22:13:45+00:00

The word "groupthink" can be applied to any group that assembles because of shared ideas.

The correct is question to ask is:

"Do TRP readers read TRP because they agree with it, or they agree with it because they read it?"

Cyralea · 2015-12-22T14:11:08+00:00

TRP isn't groupthink, it's a framework with which to create a working model of reality. There is a specific set of immutable principles, much like how modern biology demands that you accept specific truths like evolution. Within that framework there is a lot of discussion and ideas.

Not to toot my own horn, but I have some of the most controversial posts in TRP history. There isn't universal consensus, the idea is to push the envelope and see which ideas withstand scrutiny and fact-checking. That's how we develop the model.

Much like how no one will entertain Creationism in the scientific community, no RP'er is going to entertain challenging the core ideas because we've already seen they're true.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-12-22T15:54:23+00:00

No. It's self selection. You go to TRP if and only if you agree with them, and if you don't then you come to PPD or stay out of the whole thing all together.

How can this possibly be an appropriate way to advise one on a relationship with a non-red piller?

It's not and so we don't.

Funk54daba · 2015-12-22T15:51:17+00:00

It's an ideology. All ideologies are "groupthink" because if you don't concur, then you're not within the ideology. Communities based on ideology become increasingly insular and radical, especially online.

user5577 · 2015-12-22T15:59:11+00:00

R/relationships is exactly the same if not worse.

The point of subreddits is to collect as a group.

Redpillers argue, but the discrepancies between our arguments are so much smaller than those of a starch feminist.

Filter out the airhorn so we can actually discuss the finer details.

You will see a lot of comments and posts getting downvoted, but the users wont be banned. TRP has evolved somewhat.

Broskidoski · 2015-12-22T11:50:17+00:00

It is indeed. This is how bad ideas survive - by purging challenging elements.

Of course good ideas wouldn't need to do anything like that.

DevilDwarv · 2015-12-22T14:31:48+00:00

It is definitely.
I once reacted to a TRP'er that claimed women don't do well in STEM majors. I simply pointed documented facts out that stated women have higher GPA's in STEM majors. I was downvoted and subsequently called out for being a cuck apologist. All for pointing out an objective fact that doesn't fit TRP narrative. So yeah, groupthink at its finest.

dota2nub · 2015-12-22T11:11:00+00:00

All fundamentalist religions are like that

MaK_Ultra · 2015-12-22T16:17:16+00:00

appreciate the discussion. I notice some red pillers make comments such as "no, but feminism/leftists are because..." Why is this? I never made any reference to feminism and don't identify with it (but do not feel threatened by it either). Is this a common way of thinking among your folk? That those who disagree with you do so because of feminism?

Niess · 2015-12-22T14:03:47+00:00

I have been on and off watching TRP for like 2-3 years... It use to be very diverse... people learned, and shared new things... Now its soo heavily moderated... I find a lot of posts i responded to before going ExRedPill were getting deleted... Anything that challenged the normal... Gone

Bekazzled · 2015-12-22T12:50:43+00:00

Yes.

Anyone who offers a different perspective than what's written on the side bar, I'm talking RP dudes here, is banned.

"Think like us or leave" is pretty much the message. There's no wiggle room.

Title	Is TRP groupthink?
Author	MaK_Ultra
Upvotes	8
Comments	144
Date	December 22, 2015 10:53 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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