Men on this sub should know/understand game (but a lot of you don't seem to)

BoogersAndSugar · 2021-10-26T18:32:55+00:00

Enjoy implementing 'game' doing a shit ton of work for a very mild benefit, whilst better-looking guys can be themselves and still take your girl. The humiliation!

And guaranteed that aloof, nonchalant guy will be simping hard for a girl he really fancies instead of some girl two points below who he can take or leave.

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2021-10-26T17:47:52+00:00

Disagree, another reason why redpill is so popular. Men don’t know what their doing wrong until they learn they don’t look attractive or they don’t spit game.

But just because you understand this , doesn’t mean you know how to run game. You either are naturally good at it or (hopefully) just get better with it over time.

20Humble5050 · 2021-10-26T21:56:38+00:00

Yeah, I know full well how to become more attractive. The problem is that I don’t have the thousands of dollars of cash needed to get double-bone-break leg lengthening and plastic surgery. “Game” doesn’t work now that online dating has given women a buffet of Chads to choose from, if it ever did to begin with.

tonyghow · 2021-10-26T19:20:40+00:00

So you’re suggesting men to just deal with it and learn game. If that’s what you believe, why are you on this sub? Sounds like there’s nothing much else to debate.

Some of us are on this sub to debate whether the so-called “game” is rigged, biologically and socially in the modern day. I like to debate points that allow both genders to attempt to come closer together. For men and women to realize what the other wants.

I think this “game” of men put in all the effort and women sit back and hand waving away the peasants has to have some resolution, compromise, or light at the end of the tunnel. If not, there’s not point in debating.

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-10-26T17:27:38+00:00

Understanding the game may make you Red Pilled but playing the game makes you Blue Pilled.

This is what the uninitiated do not understand. They use red pill knowledge like a hamster using crack thinking that since he has the wheel all figured out then if he can only just run on it fast enough he will get somewhere in the game that is rigged against him.

Using game to attract women is the definition of a cuck/simp because you are only investing all that effort to please women and although you are a slightly better looking doormat than the next guy you are still a woman's doormat nonetheless. It is your utility that she finds attractive. The bigger tool you are the more handsome and manly she will judge you.

All you are doing here my dude is just calling PUA's and simps by another name. It is still the same shit, you are still selling out and acting a fool for women's attention.

Instead of vomiting rehashed PUA platitudes about lifting weights and all that other adolescent minded BS how about some real world advice? Stop obsessing over women, figure out what you want in life, clean up your room and clean up your act. Be completely independent of women. Live your life for yourself, worry about #1 first instead of being a show pony dancing for psychological peanuts that women throw at you. If you live for women's approval you are living a sorry life indeed.

And yes there are a ton of low key black pill incels in here and they stand out because they are just as obsessed about women and especially female validation. The better advice would be to show men that they can live free from pussy and not obsess about sex or women. Like the men of old who had greater ambitions in life than the lowly animalistic instincts to mate. Those men got women as a consequence of their greatness NOT because women were ever their priority. Now swallow THAT Red Pill. The term "the box" is often used in slang to mean pussy/vagina. Now, catch my meaning when I tell you to think outside the box.

Emervila · 2021-10-26T17:19:07+00:00

There's a huge difference between Game and Dynamics.

Game is selective, you either have good cards on hand (looks, Height and money) or you are pretty much relying on luck or hunting unicorns that's simple, the 80/20 rule exist for that purpose

Dynamics is what matters, it helps understand what, how and why it's going on in the SMP. Men could think they did wrong or they just have to "improve enough" which is OP main argument but dynamics helps understanding reality: self improvement has very limited influence if your face still being avg or your wage is...

Self-improvement for men is not or it shouldn't be connected to SMP success but to realization in life. A man has to achieve the best version of himself for his own life and sake but conditioning to how much sex he can get when he is avg will lead to further frustration. In the SMP dice are loaded and table is onesided but still there's some margin to get some fun.

From TRP perspective we have always stated sex work normalization and legalization will produce better effects for men and women, since that will clean SMP from all those avg looking men hitting on women, women would be left with just the more attractive men they like while men would have a honest return in sex for their money being able to choose the provider they like

gimpgirl555 · 2021-10-26T20:04:29+00:00

But damn you guys should get to work, read the TRP sidebar, lift weights regularly for the next few years, dress better, learn game, improve your online dating profile and text game, etc... basically do all the things that you're supposed to do if you want to get better results with chicks. I'm really not sure what you're doing on this sub otherwise, lol.

"Just become a cringelord bro! It attracts chicks bro!"

Or they could just make some money and buy what they want. Imagine spending years of your life trying to impress Becky.

h1shman · 2021-10-26T17:11:07+00:00

Unless I'm mistaken this sub has both blue and red pill for people who like discussing topics common in both. Based on comments I've seen some FDS and Blackpillers as well.

There are plenty of guys here who know game and plenty of guys who clearly haven't seen a girl naked. It's silly to expect a sub designed for learning and debate for everyone to be on the same level.

I'll also add that many successful guys probably don't come back after they have learned what they needed. Unless you take an interest in intersexual dynamics you're probably not going to stick around once you've figured out how to get laid/get gf and so on....

Cool_Weather_7763 · 2021-10-26T18:43:27+00:00

Is this the right place for this discussion? I get mixed signals from this group.

DerekMorganBAU · 2021-10-26T19:20:23+00:00

Most don’t understand because they were raised in a bubble. Never in the history of niggadom did I hear dudes in my hood bitching about “looks” and shit. Maybe a few grumblings about thugs and dope boys having the good life while the honest working folks rode a busted down hooptie with the bumper fallin off, but I saw in my environment that fucking bitches came down to game and shooting your shot by casting a wide net. Nowadays that’s easier now than ever before. I can hit up 20 bitches in my area in 5 minutes. If only 3 of them reply back, then I can get at least ONE of them to go out with me to chill, then once we chillin it’s over. We fuckin. And boom now I got myself a FWB. Rinse and repeat. Shit ain’t rocket science.

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Urbantexasguy · 2021-10-26T18:49:40+00:00

Ideally, "Game" should be an offshoot of what you would NORMALLY do, if women didn't even exist. I make a good salary as a software engineer, because I like designing software. I drive a nice car, and live in a nice house, because I like nice cars and houses. I go to the gym, because as a guy who spends a lot of time staring at screens, both for work and play, I love doing "physical things", and the way it makes my body look and feel.

If those things impress a woman, then that's "gravy".

Gigamon2014 · 2021-10-26T19:20:06+00:00

I wouldn't even call it game. Just the ability to engage in mature conversation with a woman you're interested in. I've also perused the internet for a while. Noticed this whole "face is everything" mantra circa 2014. I think its as millennials became seasoned and gen Zers became more prevalent online partaking in discussion.

That whole fatalistic mentality isn't exclusive to dating, it's infected everything. From politics to education to economic endeavour. Young people are plastered 24 7 with perfectly facetuned infkuencers and perfect bod fitness models. Add to that the increasing prevalence of misinformation, bullshit fake natties and the dereliction of forums and chat based informational exchanges leading to the current climate. Made only worse by the fact that much of the online discussion boards have been swallowed up by sites like Reddit, whose upvoting system pretty much ensures the rise of toxic echo Chambers where appeasing opinions are amplified.

It's why when I engage with generation Zers and young millennials, they seem utterly hopeless at basic conversation a lot of the time. I have guys come up to me and comment a lot and it's shocking how many young men have no self awareness, conversation skills or understanding of boundaries. So of course these same men think guys who can engage effectively with the opposite sex must all be some kind of magical unicorn possessing perfect facial features.

You don't even need to pick up some PUA artists overpriced nonsense, any fucking Dale Carnegie book can teach you the basics of great interpersonal exchange. They dont wanna hear it though.

Master-Edward-3 · 2021-10-26T21:03:15+00:00

Define game and use it as an example in a situation.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-10-26T21:12:18+00:00

Game is never concretely defined, which makes it impossible to seriously discuss.

If by 'game' we speak of the words we say to the opposite sex, then 'game' has little if any relevance.

If by 'game' we speak of social dominance and our ability to command social interactions with the opposite sex, then it has some relevance.

If 'game' is the opposite of 'simping,' then 'game' is just extracting sex from the woman without giving her much, if anything in return. However, that's a non-sequitur, because the ultimate 'game' in that instance would just be a woman thinking you're the hottest guy ever and giving it up, and looking good != game.

I have a unique perspective on this because way back in the days of yore 2004 fall semester of college, I decided, on a lark, that because I knew no one in college, I should talk to strangers. And the next 17 years has been history.

So I, through trial and error, learned how to talk to strangers "cold," before PUA was even a mainstream thing.

Most of the stuff PUA teaches, to me, is worthless.

However, social dominance chops are pretty handy. But social dominance requires a lot of acumen in ascertaining who is on defense and offense in an interaction, then the savvy of flipping from defense to offense and redirecting the initiative. To do it well enough to where it can actually gain you some attraction requires some IQ. Most guys just aren't going to be able to do it in a fun way.

The ability to pull the trigger is worth its weight in gold. Often just sensing that millisecond opportunity and pushing the pedal to the medal is enough.

Last, some degree of rejection insensitivity/resilience is necessary. I don't care how GL or awesome you are, it's really the resilience in the end that makes or breaks.

So ya, I'd say the 3 foregoing qualities are the real bread and butter of what in your personality will get girls into your bed. Anything else that is under the banner of 'game' is useless.

ThisBoringLife · 2021-10-26T21:20:59+00:00

Maybe I'm just an absolute idiot, but I have no idea from this what you fully mean by "game".

I see "charisma" there, but that's pretty much it.

southern_dilettante · 2021-10-27T00:28:00+00:00

"Game" = just be a 6' male model bro

MrShakedown1 · 2021-10-27T06:38:09+00:00

Men have no way to learn it if all you get are failures. Period.

totalnerve438 · 2021-10-27T21:23:09+00:00

You can't get away from the fact that "Game" is literally playing....games. I think they help - but only when women are on the fence about you. If they like you - you can be desperate - it'll just lead to the two of you eloping after knowing each other only a few months.

DP8414 · 2021-10-28T00:32:51+00:00

Here’s my critique of your whole thread: Although your goal is clearly to get the lazy posters on here to read, understand, and (presumably) apply the Red Pill, in reality, your proposed techniques only work on men who are not sexually inexperienced past a certain age - I’d say no older than 20 or 21. None of this advice is relevant or useful to sexually inexperienced men older than that. Your argument about the guy in the virginity thread who got 70 upvotes can be used as an obvious justification for the “Its Over” philosophy.

I’m not saying that you’re objectively wrong about any of your points. It all passed my own BS detection meter. But I don’t think it follows that a sexually inexperienced man in his mid 20s or older should read, learn, and apply the Red Pill. Think about it: A man in his late teens can still go to college and put himself in the positions for sexual success. He can apply the Red Pill before his v-card expiration date expires (by that I mean, he can lose his virginity before he reaches the age where being a virgin becomes a red flag). In this situation, it makes sense to attempt to become one of the “selected” males.

By contrast, it doesn’t make sense for a sexually inexperienced man in his mid 20s and beyond to apply the red pill, because by then, unless he’s a fantastic actor and suddenly develops charisma after years of having none of it, he will have missed his chance to be “pre-selected.” And frankly, even then, women these days use the inevitable vibe a man gives off to tell what kind of man he really is. Vibe is all the rage these days precisely because it allows people to cut through the BS of words and get straight the truth. And women are much better at picking up vibes than men.

tl;dr Red pilled strategies for seducing women are inapplicable to sexually inexperienced men past a certain age, and only work for truly young men (under 21) who don’t have natural charisma and are trying to break through.

Title	Men on this sub should know/understand game (but a lot of you don't seem to)
Author	purplepilldthrowaway
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Date	October 26, 2021 5:02 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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