Most Tradcons are just failed red pillers.

AdEffective7894s · 2024-01-28T17:03:43+00:00

I don't think that is true.

There are quite a few redpiller who are trying to increase their base by appealing to the tradcon asthetic more so that they can put to rest accusations of immorality.

And so that they can performatively put to rest the cognitive dissonance of criticising thot behaviour while endorsing fuckboy behaviour.

Tradcons however have always been trad cons. With their own values and their own ways of looking at the world

MongoBobalossus · 2024-01-28T16:35:24+00:00

That sounds about right. I’d also argue it’s an attempt by ex-Red pill dudes to rehabilitate their skeezy former images (RooshV).

63daddy · 2024-01-28T16:49:51+00:00

Trad cons existed long before TRP.

Safinated · 2024-01-28T17:25:57+00:00

Yes, that’s what happens when you get older

You actually do want to get married and settle down

What a shocker. I’m shocked. Look at my shocked face

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-01-28T16:48:07+00:00

Sounds like the cycle

Late teens-early 20s: “I’m gonna use a RP/PUA/online method to get all the women to want me”

Then

Late 20s-early 30s: “We need to force women to be with us thru traditional values and religions that will make them get with me!”

Then

Late 30s-early 40s: “That’s it I’m going MGTOW/passport bro/escorting. Maybe I’ll start my own RP blog/YouTube channel/book to explain the true nature of women!!”

Late 40s on: “parents are gone, all my old friends have settled down and don’t want me around anymore. Why am I so alone? Why would women do this to me?!”

meanwhile, every step of the way, more and more dudes drop off this path cause they end up pairing up with an average person like them and end up enjoying a normal average life instead of following some “pillosophy” they read on the internet

crookedsummer2019 · 2024-01-28T17:47:12+00:00

This reminds me of when Roosh V became religious and renounced PUA.

Many of his followers did the same. Of course, that in and of itself was hilarious considering all of their talk about men being leaders and not followers, and women being like sheep. I guess changing your dating strategy 180 degrees because a PUA guru found god is not being a follower :/.

I occasionally read posts from his new forum and it was pathetic. Aging men who spent the last 20 years fucking everything they could, teaching each other how to use women for sex and never commit, now looking for submissive young virgin church girls to make babies with.

Right. If the reward for being a religious, traditional virgin is a middle age man who made a lifestyle out of using women sexually and manipulating them for selfish gain, I’d rather be an Only Fans cam girl if those were my only two options.

It’s not surprising that Roosh shut the site down. Maybe he finally realized the ridiculousness of it.

Logical_Resolution39 · 2024-01-28T16:55:03+00:00

Also truly traditional men do not shame or persecute women for being promiscuous

This is based on absolutely nothing other than your feelings that men shouldnt shame women for being whores. Plenty of traditional men would call promiscuous women disgusting.

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Bubbly_Pension4020 · 2024-01-28T20:52:23+00:00

Tradcons are more like the OG blue pill than anything.

We have something like twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. Enforced monogamy was instituted essentially to redistribute sex, because if most of the peasants were incels they'd end up rebelling. But yeah, obviously you don't have any need to socially control a woman's sexuality if you're actually attractive to them.

As far as the whole "True tradcon" thing the institution of marriage is substantially older than Jesus or the Bible and is not limited to one religion, so if anything, the people you're describing are more the true tradcons than what you're describing. Every culture with the institution of marriage has shamed female promiscuity.

And as far as how I feel about this, I'd personally rather be an incel than try to socially pressure a woman that's not attracted to me into being with me. So yeah, I agree that tradcons are lame, but I don't really have a solution to their issues.

AidsVictim · 2024-01-28T21:23:14+00:00

They are the furthest thing from actually being traditional or conservative especially in regards to Christianity. Because as Christians we are supposed to show non-Christians through our words, lives and actions the benefits of living a Christian life that they will willingly want to become a follower of Jesus as well, not giving them no other option but to live by our faith.

Also truly traditional men do not shame or persecute women for being promiscuous or living lifestyles that don't align with their own personal beliefs. They simply realize that those women are compatible with their beliefs and search for women that are.

I uh don't think you understand traditionalism very well. You're taking an extremely liberal view of Christianity and history.

Spyro7x3 · 2024-01-28T21:45:38+00:00

Nah there’s a general shift towards trad politics because of the reactionary left many redpillers realized it’s not easy to enjoy the decline as they said back before things actually declined

Purple_Kangaroo8549 · 2024-01-29T00:33:01+00:00

I was always tradcon then moved to fuck boyish/willing to just screw women via ONS which I had a couple.

No point in playing by rules which put you at a disadvantage.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2024-01-29T04:02:07+00:00

I agree.

To simplify your post in one sentence: "ex-TRP-now-religious-tradcon types are driven by ressentiment."

littlefishhg · 2024-01-29T08:42:43+00:00

You hit that nail right on the head. Exactly

firdseven · 2024-01-29T11:12:23+00:00

I will back abortion when a feminist (who seeks equality) tells me of the equivalent for men vis a vis having a kid.

Until then, it's murder

Altruistic_Talk_828 · 2024-01-29T11:25:10+00:00

Generally agree. The biggest losers in an unregulated sexual market will always be men.

EmbarrassedClient283 · 2024-01-28T19:33:40+00:00

Sounds about right to me. But the original passport bros that you describe are probably amongst the biggest idiots I have met in my life, they are usually the ones that will get scammed by the much smarter local women who would play out these men fantasy in order to gain citizenship or some other scam meanwhile fucking 10 other guys, in reality these men would marry actual prostitutes much worse than any western woman they had imagined. At least the sexpats or MGTOWs and other red pill guys that do that without getting married or having kids are not total idiots.

toasterchild · 2024-01-28T20:47:58+00:00

This makes sense. It's why the most active antigay activists are often found to be closeted gays. They don't feel safe for whatever reason to partake in the lifestyle they want deep down so anyone who does must burn. Hopefully it's just a dumb fad.

forking_guy · 2024-01-28T21:36:31+00:00

Yep, they're just a bunch of dudes who never got through the anger phase.

DoinIt989 · 2024-01-28T21:59:23+00:00

Tradcons are usually "malding betas". They want strictly enforced social norms because they want to rig the game "in their favor".

This isn't quite the same as people who have genuine moral convictions - those people are usually pretty live and let live on how others choose to live their lives. It's always guys who can't hope to compete or enjoy the benefits of "hedonism", even if they chose to, who want to bring everyone down to their level.

Extension-Inside-826 · 2024-01-28T17:48:53+00:00

Tradcons are cucks LOL. I’d much rather the girl be open to a lot of guys than to only want to settle with one and only give him sex occasionally

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-01-28T16:43:00+00:00

This seems like another case of "no-one can possibly disagree with me. Anyone ckaimong to is lying". There's am equal amount of logic to saying "red pillers are failed tradcons/feminists/vegans/Hindus." They're just different ideologies.

ssshreddder0112358 · 2024-01-30T15:26:42+00:00

no, actually most red pillers are failed tradcons. the typical red piller is the average nice guy who got divorced, left of mistreated by a long term gf he planned to have a normal family with.

making a family unit work in this day and age is much more difficult than getting casual sex. nobody goes from failing to get casual sex to settling for monogamy.

people who naturally have hook ups without trying are not red pill because they dont fail enough to notice any issue with women cause in their mind, what they are doing is working, so those wont become red pill. all chads I know a blue pillers who unintentionally behave the way they do because of psychological issues. I know plenty of guys with very high body counts, good looking, etc., who have had hook ups with attractive women like it was super easy, but also have been brutally rejected by ugly women and cried to their face after being rejected. those were the same men who acted cold and dismissive with good looking women in a way that got them to hook up with them.

Bro_with_passport · 2024-01-28T21:26:17+00:00

As a traditional leaning man, I honestly don’t too much care about where my beliefs come from. So long as it leads to a happy life and family, I honestly don’t see any issue.

I understand there are risks like divorce and the fallout that come with it. But that can be mitigated by moving to a country with better divorce laws, which I’ve already started on.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-01-28T16:45:15+00:00

Take makes no sense.

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holyskillet · 2024-01-28T23:54:18+00:00

The society where people have freedom to choose places a heavy burden on an individual. Because they might not choose you.

And to add to your point, this problem in the tradthot circles is not unique to men, the conservative community is unironically so much better at making space for losers than leftists by equalizing the playing field. Brett Cooper released a video on how she is against botox, plastic surgery and makeup, so now lack of effort is being marketed to women as the pinnacle of virtue. Why? Because not every woman can afford to age into a milf, therefore the rest of us are supposed to tone it down.

Not to make it about women, but this rise of tradcon community is what happens when an average person gets the microphone.

Title	Most Tradcons are just failed red pillers.
Author	Wide-Illustrator2906
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Date	January 28, 2024 4:14 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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