Q4ALL: Where does a person’s value come from?

GradualDecomp · 2019-02-08T17:33:28+00:00

Whatever they can offer to the individual assessing them

CamoWoobie10 · 2019-02-08T17:58:07+00:00

A person's value comes from other people thinking they have value. The same way with paper money, theres very little inherent value, just people believing it has value.

Its subjective, but taking the average of what people see as valuable traits in their respective cultures and then finding a trend to grade their own populace is a decent rubric but not foolproof.

I think all human life has some value, but I dont believe "all men were created equal". Some people are definitely more valuable than others.

This is also specifically referring to how society views an individual, not how that individual views themselves. Also, I think these factors on paper could be totally different than they manifest in real life. Someone could be counter to what the mainstream sees as valuable but are seen as valuable in their own groups. Society isnt completely homogeneous theres different clusters and sub/countercultures that form. I think theres probably some traits that all/majority of spheres find attractive though.

reluctantly_red · 2019-02-08T17:31:00+00:00

Value is determined by the relevant sexual/romantic marketplace. Guys who are successful are valuable.

You may hate New York City but real estate there is valuable regardless. Likewise, you may think a guy is a total dick but if women are choosing to have sex with him he's high value regardless.

yasee · 2019-02-08T17:45:34+00:00

I'll be the bleeding heart and say that in as much as there's inherent value to anything, there is inherent value in human life. most people recognize this on some base level, even edgy ones who say they don't

I guess you could argue that it's pragmatic though. we give it to others collectively so that we can expect the same for ourselves

Zippo-Cat · 2019-02-08T17:59:04+00:00

In the end we're all just chemical scum.

KikiYuyu · 2019-02-08T17:30:00+00:00

It's all subjective.

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Gravel_Roads · 2019-02-08T17:34:48+00:00

It relies on context. Individual values vary.

poppy_blu · 2019-02-08T17:51:37+00:00

What you contribute to the world. Do you contribute more to world than you take away. Same for both genders.

I’m lol at “having sex with women” answers. That’s not value. That’s satisfying a basic human need. That would be like saying you’re valueable because you eat. Yeah you can’t live without eating but it doesn’t make you a valuable person because you do it.

nohappyhere · 2019-02-08T17:52:29+00:00

Depends on your definition of value. In terms of dating value, it’s what the market demands. Men demand aesthetically beautiful women. Whereas women demand men that will take care of them and support her and her child emotionally, financially etc.

rosacanina_ · 2019-02-08T17:57:50+00:00

I don't think you can collapse a persons worth into a single number.

weightmotivator · 2019-02-08T18:37:08+00:00

I’m assuming you mean what makes other people value someone and I’m also assuming you mean in reference to dating.

I think a man is valuable to a woman if he is physically attractive to her, he’s emotionally attractive to her, he’s confident in himself, and that confidence is based on accomplishments or skills.

One of the men I know who have women raving about him is the store manager at the hardware store I work at. He was an army guy and then worked retail and now manages a store. So as far as finances or status, he’s at a spot that most anyone can get to with the requisite discipline.

He’s very confident, he’s got a good sense of humor, he’s got the traditionally good masculine qualities of being decisive and competent. He’s well dressed (I even joke with him that I want his wardrobe in his will).

The only thing about him that is unattainable through effort is his height. He’s very tall.

I think all of that combines to make him valuable to women. He’s not perfect and in fact he often does things that I think are stupid but he’ll happily deal with the consequences of his decisions. I’ve learned a lot from him.

ThisIsJustATr1bute · 2019-02-08T18:55:18+00:00

Being made in the image of God and having innate dignity.

Valuing only what you can do is called utilitarianism; taken to its utmost you get eugenics and stuff.

killallthenarcs · 2019-02-08T18:59:01+00:00

There's market value which comes from various markets (labor market, relationship market, sexual market etc) there's your value to yourself, there's your value to people who care about you and then there's various sorts of mystical/spiritual/religious/philosophical belief in your value.

passwordgoeshere · 2019-02-08T20:35:15+00:00

A person is as valuable as their utility to power

CreightonWAbrams · 2019-02-08T21:02:31+00:00

Herb Stein wrote a very good piece about this over two decades ago.

EmpoweredGirl · 2019-02-09T00:55:31+00:00

I believe there are two categories of factors that enhance a person's value. 1) personality and character 2) External factors.
Personality and character is something that is typically optimised for (you are going to want to be with someone you get along with the most, and enjoy being around etc.) Where as external factors present themselves more as a threshold rather than something to optimise for, also they are different for men and women. Men will not date women that don't meet their physical attraction threshold, and not much is going to influence that. However women are more complicated as they have a blend of achievement, status, wealth, looks etc that all blend into another kind of threshold. Ultimately the external factors are used as a threshold to decide whether it's worth getting to know some better, but ultimately personality and character is what is going to provide the value in a LTR.

In short down External factors are used to discriminate, and personality and character is used to evaluate (over simplified I know)

Santaclause37 · 2019-02-09T19:56:20+00:00

Mens value comes from looks (ie. height, ethnicity, face), womens value comes from the fact that they're a woman

zayelion · 2019-02-10T06:55:46+00:00

This question is not gendered.

A unique persons, unique personal needs and wants, that they themselves are unable or unwilling to provide to themselves that another is. There are things that are more likely to be on the list depending on a persons gender, sexuality, culture, and class; but they usually fall into the following in no particular order.

Companionship
Friendship
Emotional Support
Financial Support
Sex
Child Rearing
Social Validation
Physical Protection
Labor
Information Gathering and Processing

This is not an exhaustive list.

despisedlove2 · 2019-02-10T15:05:28+00:00

Men gain value from competence. Women gain value from existence.

Electra_Cute · 2019-02-08T17:28:51+00:00

Culture, biology, my immediate surroundings etc.

Viralimpulse · 2019-02-08T17:35:46+00:00

What they can do for others. Womens case is produce a child and take care of it.

For men, its how much they can sacrifice. Financially, romanticially, etc.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-02-08T20:51:48+00:00

Humans have no innate value

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-02-08T18:39:53+00:00

Men act women are

Title	Q4ALL: Where does a person’s value come from?
Author	lemondrop1992
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Date	February 8, 2019 5:26 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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