Q4BP: Why is this non-misogynistic, vanilla Red Pill post being mocked?

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2017-03-06T22:16:25+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/5xtl70/you_are_everything_thats_wrong_with_your_life_ya/ Seriously? I mean come one now, this is just a stupid...

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It's not the message to take personal responsibility, it's the silly over the top exaggeration. Your OP is another classic example of why red pillers seem incapable of understanding things unless it's extremely black and white, which is probably why all these guys are "redpilled" from thinking women are sweet angels to all women are degenerate whores.

We are men, and us men have the burden of performance; sitting at home and blaming the world is the domain of women and beta faggots.

which is hilarious and fun to mock. It's literally posted on a subreddit where people sit at home and complain about how hostile, terrible society is to men, how feminism is to blame for decline of civilization etc.

Do you think unless you're posting don't be a beta faggot, your only other option is to NEVER take responsibility?

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I hate feminism and agree its bad, but let's face it, TRP has gone off the rails. It's gotten out of control and way over the top.

It sucks guys in just like a CULT. TRP has a long list of ridiculous terminology to use. "Black Knighting" "Dread Game", "Negging", "N-count", the list goes on and on. Instead of seeking to rectify and improve the situation of Feminism, TRP teaches men to view women as enemies and obstacles to overcome. They actually think its okay to use tactics eerily similar to emotional abuse on women.

TRP literally advises men to go out and get a life, not sit on their asses all day.

See this is rich, because through the "advice" TRP gives, they are depriving men of living life.

What kind of sociopath thinks "I'm gonna go ahead and hit this girl with a NEG" when you are out with your friends at a bar or something. It's freaking weird man. "Oh, she's gonna give me another fitness test. Better watch out." WTF? Are you kidding me? Who the hell walks around thinking that? Women are not obstacles, there is no dialogue tree in real life like a video game that gets you the desired result. Women are human beings like anyone else that seek a genuine connection, yet TRP fails to mention this point. It is not teaching men to live their lives. All its doing is teaching men how to be dependent on the TRP system of viewing things, which is like a sociopath.

It does not teach men how to be real men, it does not teach traditional masculine values, it certainly does not teach men about the importance of protecting and providing for women, all which are traditional and real masculine values.

I know its original INTENT but its gotten way out of control. It only takes 10 minutes of reading TRP's posts to realize that the very men posting there are projecting their insecurities onto others and its just depressing as all hell.

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"women are human beings just like anyone else" is essentially a restatement of my beliefs as a feminist.

That's not "feminism." We do not need Feminism to recognize that women are human beings. Feminism has jumped the shark a long time ago and is the reason as to why we have the destruction of the family unit. Modern Feminism is not Feminism at all, in fact its the exact opposite.

Modern Feminism demonizes traditional Feminine values of motherhood. In the past, women were encouraged and celebrated being mothers. They built people and families. They took care of the home, took care of the husband, and most importantly took care of the children.

Feminism demonizes and minimizes motherhood and Feminine ways. Before Modern Feminism women were women, and men were men. This "we are all equal" is a bunch of bullshit. Men and women are NOT equal. Nope. In fact men and women are the exact opposite.

The ultimate irony is that in some ways, the old ways women were treated better than they are now. Yep. The woman received the resources of the man she married to raise her children. The man would go out, toil and labor, and the woman would take care of the family and her children. Everything a man did, he did for women. You really think men work so hard just to advance themselves? No. Its the power of pussy... Men held open doors for women, stood up in the room for women, insisted to pay on dates, protected their daughters during the adolescent dating process. Women and children were always the first to be evacuated and protected. Men would go out and fight wars and do battle. Men and women were never equal, women were always the more cherished of the sexes. Surprised? Yes, you've been brainwashed by Modern Feminism. Women ranked higher than men, that's the big secret.

Now what do we do? We send children off to daycare where someone else takes care of them, government run schools, all so women can feel this faux feeling of importance which they secretly dont want of being in the workplace. Women don't belong in the workplace, sorry to break it to you. They just dont. They always have belonged in the home taking care of the family, because that is where they are needed the most. There is nothing like a woman's touch!

Feminism gave us the horrible divorce courts, where a woman is entitled to all a man's assets while divorcing him and destroying the family life of the kids with no repercussions. It has encouraged hypergamy to the extreme, with the State as the supreme arbiter and sugar daddy to women. Total destruction of the family unit. It's to blame for the chaos in modern dating, where women act like men and men act like women, where women are getting married in their late 20's and early 30's, after they have been pumped and dumped by countless men, this is absolutely horrible and is doing a number on our birth rates. Just look at the falling birth rates of the West and that is the result of the absolute destruction that Feminism has wreaked.

Now we are even contemplating sending women into combat. What kind of society sends women in to fight? Very few instances of this occurred throughout history, there is a reason for it. A cowardly and value-less civilization sends its women in to fight. Awful, just awful.

You really think women were treated bad in the 50's and before? Just more propaganda. If you think about it, men served women. They always have. Women have always been the true rulers. If it wasnt for women, men would not have the drive of production and building civilization. As a man, I can say this is true. Men practically worship women. Even the most powerful men, Tribal Chieftains, Kings, Emperors, all had to answer to their wives in secret. Even the ones with multiple wives/mistresses. "Happy wife, happy life."

Yes its a rant. Fuck Feminism. Nothing feminine about it.

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Modern Feminism demonizes traditional Feminine values of motherhood. In the past, women were encouraged and celebrated being mothers. They built people and families. They took care of the home, took care of the husband, and most importantly took care of the children.

You are talking about second wave and not modern feminism. Do you even read anything about feminism at all or do you just repeat strawmen?

Feminism demonizes and minimizes motherhood and Feminine ways. Before Modern Feminism women were women, and men were men. This "we are all equal" is a bunch of bullshit. Men and women are NOT equal. Nope. In fact men and women are the exact opposite.

And yet again. The equal feminism is a thing of the past and even the adherents of it have said that they were arguing in hyperbolic ways to open peoples eyes.

Or you don't understand the difference between being equal in front of the law and being exactly the same.

Men and women were never equal, women were always the more cherished of the sexes. Surprised

Why would anyone that knows anything about feminism be surprised? Yes the were protected, but that's part of the oppression because that pushed them into child like roles without power.

We send children off to daycare where someone else takes care of them, government run schools, all so women can feel this faux feeling of importance which they secretly dont want of being in the workplace. Women don't belong in the workplace

Wow you really must hate women

There is nothing like a woman's touch!

And that's why they shouldn't work? Do you think they can't touch their children after a day at work?

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You are talking about second wave and not modern feminism. Do you even read anything about feminism at all or do you just repeat strawmen?

Yes, I did. Why are you making crap up? There is no strawmen here. Sounds like you are the one that needs to brush up on Feminism.

The equal feminism is a thing of the past and even the adherents of it have said that they were arguing in hyperbolic ways to open peoples eyes.

And this exactly means what? You're talking nonsense and attempting to explain this away. Not happening.

Or you don't understand the difference between being equal in front of the law and being exactly the same.

No. The message of Feminism has gone way past that. Perhaps you should look up Modern Feminism, and what is being taught in our colleges.

Wow you really must hate women

You must really be a poor debater to take what I say out of context. Just here to argue, and not intelligently debate or perhaps even think in a different way.

No, instead you quote what I say and then try to twist it around and say that I hate women. Are you this stupid? Are you this stupid to not see that I clearly stated men and women have roles and that Feminism does not celebrate what makes women great? No...you take it out of context, as usual.

You say that I hate women like any person that disagrees with the narrative. Its fucking stupid. Fuck you.

Yes the were protected, but that's part of the oppression because that pushed them into child like roles without power.

No, its not oppression at all when you are physically weaker than 50% of the population, dependent on resources when rearing children, and unable to make the same logical decisions and have the same thought process a man has. It's not oppression at all when the "power" you speak of is really responsibility. Why should they shoulder this responsibility when clearly a woman's role is of reproduction and building children? Why give women more burden? No, they don't need it.

And that's why they shouldn't work? Do you think they can't touch their children after a day at work?

Yes. They should not be in the workplace. Women belong at home with their children, because its the children that need their mothers the most.

How awful of you to actually argue this. How heartless. How could you? Think of the children, instead of trying to complete some twisted feminist fantasy where women spend their day at work and send their children off to government run daycare.

No one on this planet is going to be more qualified than my wife when we have our children. NO ONE.

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So you don't hate women but think their only value is childbirth and that they should be banned from working and forced to breed?

No, I think they are best suited for raising the next generation of humans, which is, you know, the most important job on the planet. Why are you minimizing motherhood? Unbelievable. There is nothing more sacred to life, nothing more sacred than motherhood.

Did I say they should be banned? Did I say they should be forced to breed? Did I ever say that? Who is creating strawmen now?

Why do people like you insist on bringing everything to the extreme and painting some kind of dystopia when I say we should be celebrating motherhood?

How would you like it if I twisted things around and said that you think that life is not precious at all, and you care about nothing but corporate profit and ego satisfaction? And that you support depopulation and low birthrates?

You wouldn't like that now, would you?

But I did. And that's when I learned that anti-feminists are just repeating strawmen, because what I've read was way more nuanced

No, you didn't. If you did you would realize the message of modern feminism is very clear - motherhood and feminine values are not valued at all, and that is tries to make women into men.

Their arguments against it are like "but they say that gender is just a social construct" without realizing that sex is also thing in feminist literature.

I'm not sure what you have been reading, but all you need to google is "Feminism low birthrates" and "Feminism motherhood" and things like that and theres plenty of intelligent literature for you to read, and way better arguments than the crap you put up.

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Did I say they should be banned?

Yes you did. "women should not be in the workplace"

No, you didn't. If you did you would realize the message of modern feminism is very clear - motherhood and feminine values are not valued at all, and that is tries to make women into men

Now you are the one creating strawmen (unless you count working as being a man)

A lot of modern feminists are feminine women. Maybe not regularly feminine, but in their own way.

Because it's about freedom.

For every dyke you can cheery pick I can pick a feminine one.

"Feminism motherhood"

Yes for some it's the freedom to choose not to be a mother. It's "women should be able not to marry"

The hate against marriage was in the 70s lead by Dworkin and Co

But can you show me a current gender or women studies course that is telling women that they shouldn't be mothers? Also consider that many of the women in those gender studies courses are feminine sluts that love men.

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Yes you did. "women should not be in the workplace"

I'm trying to find the word "banned". Could you point that out to me? Oh wait, you can't.

Now you are the one creating strawmen (unless you count working as being a man)

I clearly stated that the message of modern feminism is about minimizing the importance of motherhood and femininity. That is not a strawman.

You can't just yell out strawman without looking up its definition, you are just wrong. There is no fake argument here. Its been on point this entire time.

A lot of modern feminists are feminine women. Maybe not regularly feminine, but in their own way. Because it's about freedom.

Lol. This is irrelevant, even though this is also an incorrect statement. Everyone knows that most feminists are not feminine. Yes, there are alot of "casual" feminists that may be feminine but this is besides the point.

Still, its irrelevant.

Yes for some it's the freedom to choose not to be a mother. It's "women should be able not to marry"

They previously had the freedom to choose not to be a mother. It is about cultural pressure not to marry.

But can you show me a current gender or women studies course that is telling women that they shouldn't be mothers?

I dont have that kind of information, I am no longer in college. But all you need to do is look around and see the massive numbers of women foregoing marriage and entering into the workforce. This is all due to cultural pressure from the establishment and feminism (and also economic factors, but again feminism contributes to this). You can see the age of marriage steadily increasing throughout the years and the plummeting birthrates.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots.

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I'm trying to find the word "banned". Could you point that out to me?

"They should not be in the workplace" does sound a lot like that though. Because that's how my grandfather would have talked about this topic but he actually would have wanted it banned so I'm sorry for drawing conclusions

You can't just yell out strawman without looking up its definition, you are just wrong.

Yeah I didn't read that one correct either.

Okay but then what's bad about that? Women that aren't feminine or that don't want to marry can be free now to do so, but one that wants to marry or be cute or hot can do so as well.

I see this as a good thing because those that don't want to be a mother wouldn't have been good mothers either way. I'd rather have them not be forced into motherhood by ecological or societal reasons than being a half assed mother.

Everyone knows that most feminists are not feminine

I didn't say most either.

And we probably disagree on if short hair can be feminine.

Yes, there are alot of "casual" feminists that may be feminine but this is besides the point.

But there are plenty with more (but not radical) interest. Not all feminine feminists don't know nothing about it.

This is all due to cultural pressure from the establishment and feminism

Yeah that's true, but we were also talking past each other.

I thought you were saying they were against women ever being mothers, but you were talking about the importance of being a mother.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots.

Haven't the marriage and divorce rates stabilized for years? They may marry later (which is also something good in my opinion because you never make good decisions at 18, especially not in partner choice), but if I remember correctly they were the lowest/highest in the 90s

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Because that's how my grandfather would have talked about this topic but he actually would have wanted it banned so I'm sorry for drawing conclusions

Yes. I'm talking about something at the cultural level. Not laws forbidding women to participate in the workforce. If they want to work that badly, then fine, knock yourself out. It's about culture.

I see this as a good thing because those that don't want to be a mother wouldn't have been good mothers either way.

Thousands of years+++ of our deepest instincts will override anything else.

Haven't the marriage and divorce rates stabilized for years?

No, they have been falling for 50+ years.

The West is in a state of collapse as we speak. Wake up, Feminism is a massive failure, it has wreaked absolute destruction upon the West. Divorces are sky high, Juvenile delinquency is on the rise. By giving it up to "alphas" (though its really a code word for men who don't commit), getting pumped and dumped and partying it up in their youth, and divorcing men in court, with no repercussions for it, this is how you create single mothers. Look at who initiates divorce, its majority women. The average age of marriage has been steadily increasing throughout the years, people are waiting to marry until they are past 30, this is a huge mistake. 100 years ago most people were married well before age 25. In fact most people married in late teens, the person they married was a virgin, so you had a very strong pair-bond. Unlike today where pair-bonding has become weaker and weaker, because women are passed around which destroys their ability to bond to a male.

NO ONE WINS. Women do not win, men certainly do not win. It's just destruction at a societal and cultural level.

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The problem with you is that despite your lip service of "I love women they just have different roles", your misogynist attitude still shines through. Through the facade of "men should have men's jobs and women should have women's jobs", you declare universially cherishable attributes such as being able to perform well at an occupation, "male trought processes", and even logical thinking, as exclusively male. Though less severe, you also declare attributes such as raising children as exclusively female attributes. With this kind of chauvinistic attitude of proverbially circlejerking to your own gender, it's no wonder most people won't take you seriously.

Like, how does this regressive attitude play out in reality? Do you secretly wish every non-housework and family-related job should be occupied by a man? Do you refuse to utilize services occupied by females? I had my eyes checked by an eye doctor some weeks ago, who happened to be a woman. She performed well and did her job in a professional manner from what I could gather. Would you have refused her service if you were in my place, because of her inferior capability of logical thinking? Would you have resorted to exclusively go to a male doctor, because even though a woman spent the same time in medical school, she is not biologically suitable for a "man's job" (which does not even require physical strength) ?

Despite your ramblings, the "old times" were not universally better for men and women. Men were tied to their traditional roles and women to theirs. Women were seen as objects, seen by the bride being exchanged from the father to the groom. Men were sent to die in wars and had to perform without showing weaknesses. And despite the homage to "feminine duties" of housekeeping, childbirth and child raising, just these roles were also used extensively to justify women holding no power in society. Women should not be in the workplace, they have no experience and no skills for jobs outside of the household. Women should not hold political offices, they have no political experience and don't know much about the world outside of their home. And don't get me started on the age-old belittling of feminine duties by men of the "old times", an attutide that continues until today with the men of TRP.

You're a chauvinist, and your attitudes suck balls. Your name could be "Creepr". The end.

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Hey cuck, its like you're looking for something to complain about in my post, becuase you are threatened that I appreciate real feminine and masculine values. That I appreciate real women. I'm the real feminist here, not you. Just to let you know.

It also reads as if you're a virgin college student. Your arrogance, pretentiousness and condescending tone in this post is so over the top it could be parody. You probably are a virgin, despite all protests to the contrary.

you declare universially cherishable attributes such as being able to perform well at an occupation, "male trought processes", and even logical thinking, as exclusively male.

Performing well at an occupation is not exclusively male. Everyone knows men think more logically than women. It's just the way it is. We have different brain structures. Don't like it? Don't care, it is how it is.

Though less severe, you also declare attributes such as raising children as exclusively female attributes.

Mmmm, no. Why must everything be brought to the extreme? Isn't it funny with SJW's that they always focus on the extremes and it's always all or nothing with them.

Raising children are for the most part, a woman's duty. This is because a woman is geared specifically for doing just that. Men on the other hand, have to do everything else. This is why men are geared towards physical activity, including hunting, building, and combat.

With this kind of chauvinistic attitude of proverbially circlejerking to your own gender, it's no wonder most people won't take you seriously.

Why do you think raising children is not a good thing? I am not sure why you're putting down motherhood here, which I said is the most important job in the world. I am not sure how its a circle jerk when I state that its the woman that needs the care and resources of a man?

See, you've been brainwashed into thinking that for some reason, being a mother is somehow a bad thing. That it is somehow a "circlejerk" when I say that men are geared towards doing physical things. So apparently to you, physical activity is better than being a mother. Who is the chauvinist here? I am celebrating motherhood and feminine values. Women need men, men need women, it goes both ways.

Do you secretly wish every non-housework and family-related job should be occupied by a man?

Nope. I just wish that we stopped encouraging women to participate in the workplace so much and we encouraged them to go where they belong; in the home.

Would you have refused her service if you were in my place, because of her inferior capability of logical thinking?

Lol, no. Your entire long winded diatribe is tiring and redundant. Also a parody of insane SJW's.

Despite your ramblings, the "old times" were not universally better for men and women. Men were tied to their traditional roles and women to theirs. Women were seen as objects, seen by the bride being exchanged from the father to the groom.

The old times were indeed, universally better. Do you know that arranged marriages are actually not that bad? Yep, they arent that bad at all. I'd like to add that in arranged marriages, the parents knew what they were doing. They know the approximate SMV values of their children, their social status, etc, and plan accordingly. Remember back then communities were very tight knit, and it was not uncommon for friends, neighbors and such to marry their kids off to one another. Many of them went so far as to consult astrologists, seers, wise men etc for the compatability of the match.

Men had their roles and women had theirs, and we had good birthrates. See, right now our birthrates are horrible. The dating scene is horrible. Our marriage system is broken. White people are about to become extinct. This is due to feminism making men like women, and women like men. That's the bottom line whether you like it or not.

And dont give me that crap about women being objectified. Men were objectified too. The only difference was that women did it way more covertly than men.

Nature does not care about virtue signaling. It cares about making babies. Feminized men and masculine women are not conductive to making babies.

Men and women work off polarity. Opposites attract, like magnets. Men are positive energy, they produce energy, women are negative energy; they absorb the energy men give off and turn it into a baby. Ahhh, why am I even bothering? This will go straight over your head.

Men were sent to die in wars and had to perform without showing weaknesses.

Yes, men have been and always will be the disposable sex. It's part of being a man. Something that you probably do not understand.

And despite the homage to "feminine duties" of housekeeping, childbirth and child raising, just these roles were also used extensively to justify women holding no power in society.

Ho ho ho! You really think women held no power? You idiot, you're definitely a virgin!

We have always lived in matriarchal societies. Everything man has done, he has done for women. Women held no political power because they didnt need to. Men do all of the work building civilization. Women did not have to worry about that. Women ruled families. They also ruled their husbands behind closed doors.

Men went out, worked, fought wars, kept their women safe, when a boat was sinking women and children were let off first and if there was room on the lifeboats, THEN men would go. It's the same deal of men opening doors for women, and standing up in a room when a woman entered. Did you know at one time, men did that? Men did that not because women aren't capable; they did that because it is a show of service. Men are in service to women. Disposable sex. This is how the genders work, my virgin social justice warrior. Women were treated like royalty as best as the man could treat her.

Was it a perfect system? No, but I daresay it was quite natural. It fit the roles and instincts we have inside of us as humans.

Women should not hold political offices, they have no political experience and don't know much about the world outside of their home. And don't get me started on the age-old belittling of feminine duties by men of the "old times", an attutide that continues until today with the men of TRP.

Women should not hold political office indeed. They think more with emotions and less with logic, this is scientifically proven. If you don't like it, that's too bad.

Its also not even a question of capability, its a question of "should they" and the bottom line is, they shouldn't. It is about service. They should be in the home where they are taken of and they can focus on raising the next generation. Everything men do they do for the benefit of women. Period. End of story. They do it to benefit women and the family they raise. The woman is the centerpiece of a man's life; through her the family unit is made and is the building block of civilization.

You are the chauvinist here and the misogynist, my social justice warrior cuck. I celebrate feminine virtues. I want women to be women, and I dare say women want to be women as well.

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We send children off to daycare where someone else takes care of them, government run schools, all so women can feel this faux feeling of importance which they secretly dont want of being in the workplace.

Everyone knows men think more logically than women.

Women should not hold political office indeed.

White people are about to become extinct.

You clearly have gone completely insane as a result of a long time of the indoctrination of reactionay rabble-houser propaganda. Your views are not only objectively wrong, they are also abhorrent to any moral standards humas have set for themselves, including the standards of traditional masculinity. Like so many close-minded reactionearies before you, you are unable to think beyond your pre-defined shapes and stereotypes of sexes or groups of people, which could lead you to the conclusion that people are different and want different things, shattering your rusted, dogmatic views of "This is how it should be, and everyone else is wrong". You will likely die a bitter, frustrated lonely old man, still unable to understand why the world around you has changed and most people have gone beyond your view of the world. I'd rather be what right-wingers call a "cuck" than ever accept your close-minded pitiful views, since I actually have a moral compass and don't feel the need to mentally uphold my own gender to be the greatest of all, including asserting exclusive ownership of such skills as "logical thinking" out of a narcisstic personality disorder.

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Masculinity is not about sacrificing your own life without hesitation for a random woman you dont know.

Yet in your earlier post you said the glory of the "old times" involved men going to war and fighting and dying in battle because "women were always the more cherished sex" and for the "power of pussy". You revere these societal conditions that called men to die for women they don't know, yet wouldn't want to pay the price yourself.

The military does not protect women and children, they go fight for politicians overseas.

I agree that the US military's actions of the last decades were largely not about protecting America's women and children, they were about securing international power, securing resources for large corporations, fulfilling politicians' dreams, and so on. Still, as I've pointed out, by serving, you could have taken a place that might've been taken by a woman otherwise. After all, you belong the the disposable sex, a role which you yourself seem to endorse and which should only be taken by men according to your ideal apportionment of the roles of sexes. And besides that, there are positions in society that arguably do serve as protecting your people, such as the coast guard, the national guard, fire departments, and so on.

But instead of serving there, and while about 280,000 women have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, you decided for yourself not to fulfill the disposable role of the warrior and protector, instead resorting to stay in your comfy ass computer chair and scoffing at the women who have served, for "madly" taking up men's roles instead of flourishing as housewifes and mothers, the only roles for which they are really suited for. You're an armchair internet warrior who doesn't have the guts to turn your words into deeds yourself. Pathetic!

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You revere these societal conditions that called men to die for women they don't know, yet wouldn't want to pay the price yourself.

I would pay the price if there was a cause worth dying for, or if my immediate home and family is under threat. In fact masculinity is not always about following orders and conformity. If the cause is great enough, then men would gather to protect their homes and communities. However, many times masculinity is about defending your loved ones and being the first line of defense.

I see you dont fucking understand this, and you would probably hide behind your wife like a true pussy when a thief breaks inside your house.

And besides that, there are positions in society that arguably do serve as protecting your people, such as the coast guard, the national guard, fire departments, and so on.

So, in order to be masculine, men should rush out and serve in some kind of armed force according to you. Masculinity and protection is more about protecting loved ones - the woman and the family comes first. If someone messed with my girlfriend, I would be the first to protect her. It's the same with any man. Men do not need to serve in the military or in the fire department to prove that they are indeed men.

Again, I see you are fine with women fighting your battles for you. You dont understand masculinity, cuck.

But instead of serving there, and while about 280,000 women have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, you decided for yourself not to fulfill the disposable role of the warrior and protector

You do not need to serve in the armed forces to fullfil the role of warrior and protector. I'm sorry to break it to you. Your core "argument" falls apart miserably. lol. There are many ways men fulfill that role. Mainly through protecting loved ones.

scoffing at the women who have served, for "madly" taking up men's roles instead of flourishing as housewifes and mothers,

I'm not scoffing at them. More strawman. If they want to go do it, they are more than welcome. The problem is that women should be women, its their natural roles, and that the roles of warriors and fighters have always been, and always will be, the role of men. I am simply stating the truth. Nothing more.

You're an armchair internet warrior who doesn't have the guts to turn your words into deeds yourself.

I can hear your whining all the way over here. This truly is pathetic. You're embarrassing yourself. Instead of discussing the roles of men and women, masculine vs feminine, you try to make me out as some kind of hypocrite because I dont serve in the armed forces. You have no intellectual argument. How utterly ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned you're just trolling, cuck. Your gotcha questions fail.

In fact I find it very sad and dare I say a bit of misandry coming from you. You seem to think that masculinity and protection only comes from protecting your community, and not your dearest love ones. You have actually reduced it to this one common denominator, ignoring everything else that I talked about. That's pretty sad.

flourishing as housewifes and mothers

You know, its almost as if you are putting down motherhood. Do you hate women as well? Just wondering. I celebrate motherhood, its the best and most important job on this planet. A housewife is a fantastic job as well, perfectly suited for women - yet you seem to put it down, and dare I say - scoff at it. A bit of projection yea?

You fucking mentally brain damaged hypocrite. You are wasting my time. You clearly dont understand masculine vs feminine, male vs female and you dont care for any kind of discussion.

[–]Reed_49831 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hey moron, do you realize how completely meaningless the word cuck is? You alt-righters use it with such a religious perpetuity as your little internet warrior battlecry like it actually has any meaning to regular, stable people outside of your whacko universe. A cuck is a man raising another man's child as his own. How does this have any connection to what I have said in our conversation or to what person I am? Throwing insults that have become so overused and meaningless that they have become stupid internet memes at strangers is your own personal battle. How incredibly manly, your manly ancestors would be really proud of you! LOL.

So, in order to be masculine, men should rush out and serve in some kind of armed force according to you.

Well, according to your own overblown mental masturbation fantasy of "men are forged in iron and sacrifice themselves for others, that's how it should be", I would reasonably expect of you to let deeds follow words and have something to show for it. To serve a community, to actually use your manly strength for something good other than your own needs. That would at least give your cirlejerk blather of the manliness of manly men some credibility, instead of making grown up people laugh about you for your 16th century views. But then, all I get from you is "I would sacrifice myself if I had to." Big words, but everyone can spout them. I have served a part of my life for a community already, it's a service that's required only for men in my country. Just how it should be, right? Only that I don't mentally jack off to an idea of an "hard-ass, burly, selfless man" for doing it, because I don't need to maintain such an image to like myself, LOL.

Tbh, I have nothing against healthy images of masculinity or feminity. A confident, masculine man who is respected for his skills and command by his coworkers, who knows how to charm ladies and treats his wife and children well? Sounds like a great dude to me. A nursing, caring mother who stays at home with the children, keeps up the household and cherishes her man? Great for her, if she likes it, and for her children. A man who sacrifices himself for his wife? Sounds like a real hero.

But holding these concepts as the only true roles for humans to fulfill is so fucking limiting. It simply doesn't do justice to how diverse people have become. Who am I to criticize a feminized man for living his life the way he sees it fit. Or a woman who doesn't want children but instead takes up a traditionally masculine job to protect her community instead of some man who...ahem...decides he doesn't want to give something of himself and take up the internet warrior route to decry this woman's decision as "awful". Great for her, if that's her thing. It's not like this woman had to have a child or otherwise we'd have gone extinct.

Overall, I don't like the dogmatic approach taken by TRP and other internet ideologies. Whatever works does work and it's not like the world isn't big enough for different views or that you will die if someone is more happy with a different, non-traditional approach. That'll do, pig.

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How incredibly manly, your manly ancestors would be really proud of you! LOL.

I am not an alt-righter. However, it's quite appropriate in this situation. I see you're quite mature. (not)

Well, according to your own overblown mental masturbation fantasy of "men are forged in iron and sacrifice themselves for others, that's how it should be", I would reasonably expect of you to let deeds follow words and have something to show for it.

Man, you don't get it. You completely ignored what I told you and you continue to blather on about sacrifice and serving the community. It's just your way to attempt to catch me in some sort of twisted gotcha question where I'm the hypocrite. It's just not going to work out. There are many ways of serving a community other than being in the armed forces, and I have served my community already. You don't know shit about me, fool. This is just not working for you. Perhaps another avenue, maybe calling me a hypocrite in some other fashion? I don't know, try to come up with some bullshit, you seem to be pretty good at that.

I mean are you serious? This is the best you've got?

Only that I don't mentally jack off to an idea of an "hard-ass, burly, selfless man" for doing it, because I don't need to maintain such an image to like myself, LOL.

Lmao, more projection. You are the one masturbating to "big burly men" all I mentioned was that protection and defense is a masculine trait. Instead I get this long diatribe about how men need to be "burly, strong." I believe you are quite insecure, which is why you keep on going off on me for talking about "hard burly men" LMAO!!! AHAHAHAHA! Are you kidding? Keep whining, it just reveals your projection on us.

Tbh, I have nothing against healthy images of masculinity or feminity.

So now you are back tracking on your argument. In fact you are directly contradicting yourself, as you mock and chide me on the ideas of "ancient" "16th century" views, yet of course once I bring up the fact that you are in actuality, being oppressive, you backtrack on your argument. Lmao. You can't have it both ways. You can't subscribe to the notion that men and women are equal and at the same time, appreciate masculinity and femininity. Modern feminism pretends that masculinity and femininity do not exist.

But holding these concepts as the only true roles for humans to fulfill is so fucking limiting.

Why is it limiting? This is just your own prejudice coming into play here. As a man you are born with a penis; as a woman you are born with a vagina. You cannot change genders (arguably). You are who you are. You want to talk about limitation? Too bad, welcome to planet earth.

Who am I to criticize a feminized man for living his life the way he sees it fit.

So if someone is doing drugs, do you just stay silent and let them do it until it kills them? If they are doing a dangerous activity, do you not warn them first? It's the same thing. Being feminized as a man is not a healthy thing. Period. It's not healthy for our people for men to act like women and women to act like men.

Overall, I don't like the dogmatic approach taken by TRP and other internet ideologies.

This is not TRP buddy. The fact that you think what I am talking about is TRP either means you're grossly misinformed or just being intellectually dishonest. I think its the former.

Whatever works does work and it's not like the world isn't big enough for different views or that you will die if someone is more happy with a different, non-traditional approach. That'll do, pig.

This is coming from someone who thinks its OK to hide behind his woman when he is being attacked. You're clearly brainwashed with social justice ideals. You are no better than TRP, the movement that is the direct backlash against what you believe. Both ideologies are dogmatic and full of propaganda and confirmation bias.

All I offered was to look at things from the natural view, but I guess this is Reddit for you. Full of people with their own militant ideologies just want to push it onto others.

okay, so you

1) Think that traditional femininity is bad and that its ok for women being men, and men being women

2) Think that masculinity is all about serving in the armed forces. Forget everything else, YOU NEED TO SERVE! Or else you're a - gasp - hypocrite!

3) Clearly projecting your own insecurities when you rant on for about another paragraph on "big burly men", "forged in iron". You are so focused on burly men protecting society, when I stated multiple times that protection is only one aspect of masculinity. LMAO. By the way, are you gay? Not that theres anything wrong with that....

4) Then you say that you actually have nothing against traditional masculinity and femininity, even though you continually trashed motherhood previously. Whatever, its all hunky dory to you, you can be everything! Typical Redditors argument.

5) Humans cant be limited by their genders. They are FREE of them! Yes! Your genes dont matter, your testosterone levels don't matter, people should be free to do whatever they want. Surely, civilization has came this way doing just that. Let's remove all laws and all restrictions, people can do whatever the fuck they want cause you say so. And you're a meanie if you dont agree. You're a dogmatic, oppressive, ancient 16th century meanie if you don't agree with me! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

6) You say you dont like taking a dogmatic approach, even after you attempted to lecture me on how masculinity and femininity is "ancient" 16th century" and that I need to get up with modern times, yo! You take what I say to hyperbole and don't even acknowledge what I say. I need to be hip and believe in...something else?

Lmao. You are a joke. I have enjoyed this "debate", truly. Oh and you write like you're clearly in college.

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Go fuck yourself, lmao. You're so intellectually dishonest its heartbreaking watching you squirm and suffer under the weight of your own stupidity.

Comparing taking a different role than the one you deem as singularly acceptable with doing drugs is simply insane.

No, it's not insane. If someone is doing something that harms them, I am going to tell them to stop. Very simple. You are telling me that men acting like women is actually healthy? Or that we shouldnt stop them?

It's the same attitude that the insane Left takes towards people that think they are a different gender, or the madness going on in universities where if you feel like a woman that day you can do into the woman's bathroom even if you are a man. Or maybe you feel like an alien that day, or a an animal, or whatever. You don't address the fact that there is something wrong with them and you let them do whatever they want regardless of the consequences in their ivory towers and the protected bubble of the university campus.

I tried to explain to you that male and female are polar opposites of one another. We live in a realm based on duality - positive and negative. Men and women are not equal, get over it, they are mirror reflections of the polarities.

Take a look at a battery. What does a battery have? A positive end and an negative end, doofus. It's the same for humans. Men are literally positive charges, women are literally negative charges. When you combine positive and negative energy in a battery you get energy. It's the same for humanity, you gain the circle of life.

By making women act like men and making men act like women you are messing with the natural order of the world and it isnt working out. Just take a look at the failing birthrates, the broken marriages, the rampant single mother homes. Oh but you dont give a flying fuck about that. No, you'd rather cling to the false ideaologies of the church of Universities where they teach you everything is honky dory and everyone can lead their lives without consequences.

That's not fucking true. I'm sorry to break it to you. Really. I know you want the world to be all nice and everyone can do what they want and lead the lives they want, but that isnt going to happen without consequences.

Opposites attract. It is a universal law, it is the law of the realm of Duality in which we live in. Don't like it? TOO. FUCKING. BAD. Men and women are OPPOSITES and OPPOSITES ATTRACT. By reducing polarity you reduce the CIRCLE OF LIFE.

I know for a fact there's millions of people giving a flying fuck to your dogmatic images of "how people should be" and live perfectly happy lives.

Irrelevant, not an argument. I don't care and my post was not about that. Whine harder.

In fact due to people like you that just try to silence people speaking the truth, I will continue to speak the truth about men and women wherever I go.

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But read why they shit on it.

Either they are tangentially related (like TRP being a cult) or actual arguments.

Tbp isn't cult like at all. No group mentality and circlejerking and ostracizing of those that don't conform.

You know how often I talk about simple thoughts and one comment is about how that is a more complex issue. That poor people are often poor due to problems that are out of their hands and that the typical "it's only your problem" attitude further helps keeping the poor poor.

Idk how this is relevant.

And RP only shits on women BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL SUPERIOR AND ALPHA

Classic BP virtue signaling.

Yeah man, typically anything you really want and obsess over you love to shit on, as there's no way to be a man or alpha without shitting on women, rp101.

Why even go to TRP or read rp material if you don't envision massive amounts of shit covering all those beautiful women(I mean children) that those men completely despise and want nothing to do with.

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Title	Q4BP: Why is this non-misogynistic, vanilla Red Pill post being mocked?
Author	AmericanHistoryAFBB
Upvotes	10
Comments	140
Date	March 6, 2017 10:16 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5xwcws/q4bp_why_is_this_nonmisogynistic_vanilla_red_pill/
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