Theoretically, are there any solutions that would satisfy everyone in this debate?

brokegradstudent_93 · 2020-03-04T12:55:25+00:00

No, just like in everything in life, no matter why you do and how hard your try to please everyone, someone will be upset with the decisions that end up being made. it’s impossible to please every person. You make life better for the homeless? Some guy making millions is raging about taxes. You widen lanes of a busy road? Someone with property on that road hates that their yard lost a lot of space. You give men equal access to sex, some woman is going to hate she has to fuck him. There will always be someone unhappy/ a loser in any decision.

wtknight · 2020-03-04T12:44:38+00:00

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NarniaFox · 2020-03-04T13:00:39+00:00

Being honest.

Just stop lying and be honest to yourself and to your partners. It would be so much easier for everyone, if people tell others what they really want to get from them. It wouldn't satisfy everyone, of course, especially the ones who want to manipulate and lie, but it would make things easier for decent folk.

kradient · 2020-03-04T15:21:04+00:00

The year is 2049. Melvin Millerson, reclusive but magnanimous incel billionaire, starts the greatest SMP equalization program ever seen: hundreds of millions of covert sexbots unleashed into the world, designed to perfectly replicate human women, to pretend to be human women at all costs, and to seek out short ugly men and fulfill all their wildest sexual and romantic dreams.

Suddenly, the world changes. Hot blonde models appear from the bushes to stalk obese balding Asian janitor midgets. Science and engineering students, previously marginalized to obscure Internet spaces, now find themselves in trilationships with pornstar lookalikes. The weeaboos of the world, no longer consigned to their parents’ basements, begin dating cute mysterious Ramona Flowers clones. (Some of them even get jobs.)

The Chads of society, finding themselves rejected en masse for the first time in their lives, develop massive self-esteem issues. Dating is different now, and tall sexy 6’5” Greek gods just aren’t “in” anymore. But the women of FDS are still around, and they gladly welcome these men into their loving chubby arms. Everyone is happy, more or less.

The sea levels are rising, but no one cares anymore. Humanity lives out its last days, in a world of perfect ignorance and bliss.

chomponthebit · 2020-03-04T13:03:20+00:00

Option 1: everyone’s pansexual, which means hotties fuck incel neckbeards...

Option 2: You can’t please everyone. Lift, and stop being fucking lame

Gravel_Roads · 2020-03-04T13:05:16+00:00

I think we'd have to break down the issues of each demographic first, because PPD formed when RP began to receive criticism, which turned into the BP site. So our major demographics are:

1.) RP men who have embraced the decline and DGAF

2.) RP men still stuck in the "anger phase"

3.) Luckless men who don't follow RP but still want to argue with BP

4.) Pragmatic women who believe in the merits of dating strategy

4.) BP which is... anyone that doesn't follow RP. (Mix of men and women)

(There is a missing demographic that doesn't really hang out here, that is the "hyper sensitive feminist" type who thinks all men are inherently oppressive. These types exist, but are more rare because PPD is specifically unwelcoming of "men are pigs" types of messaging, considering it's obstructive to conversations where men and women actually want to talk to each other.)

Of these groups, not all of them have any particular problem, and thus don't require any sort of major solution. Those that do have problems tend to stem from negative past experiences (either bad relationships that left them wary and distrustful, or inability to have relationships, leaving them bitter, depressed, undermotivated and discouraged).

Sadly, bad experiences are hard to get over. Some people don't, even if they are given all the tools they need. There's no one specific gender that's worse at this -- men who immerse themselves in narratives about women who hurt men aren't going to listen to or trust a woman who doesnt' want to hurt them, even if she want to gain their trust (which is a pretty thankless sounding job).

(once again, I feel the same about women who are wary of men. There just arent' as many on this sub. Like incels, the more rabid radfems don't do well outside of their echo chambers, considering a lot of their opinions are just downright hateful and ugly, and they consider all forms of disagreement to be "silencing".)

DangZagnut · 2020-03-04T13:10:34+00:00

Solutions to what? Is there something that needs to be solved?

Everyone can do their own thing as far as I’m concerned. If marriage is your personal fetish, knock yourself out, I’m certainly not going to stop you. What to keep women on a pedestal? Go for it. Wants to work FDS strategy? It’s no different than any other time in the world so good luck to you.

TheJim66 · 2020-03-04T13:29:00+00:00

I think the only way to reach a somewhat good equilibrium would be to undo the damage social media and OLD have done to the SMP by putting Hypergamy in overdrive .You can either do that by banning them,which is illegal, or by removing the artificial infrastructure that makes open Hypergamy viable,namely removing welfare,unfair divorce laws ,gender quotas,legalizing financial abortion and maaaaybe stop the anti slutshaming propaganda if need be.This is easily implemented but will never happen because women will never agree to it and they make up the majority of voters

jigglypuff__0 · 2020-03-04T15:22:26+00:00

Everyone has equal opportunity to to have a fun casual sex period. Then when you’re ready to start a family, both parties take a pill that removes all sexual and romantic for anyone that Is not your spouse. That means porn and other women have no impact on the husband, and Chads have no impact on the wife whatsoever.

Divorce is fine but it will never be for the “grass is always greener/ wanna be poly, wanna practice hypergamy” reasons.

I think a lot of the romantic issues and anger between genders come from jealousy and insecurity. That’s why men rage against the CC and women shit on fuck boys. Everyone wants to be someone’s special person without competition. But it’s a double edged sword because while you want pure fidelity, your own mind doesn’t work that way. So if there was a pill to ensure you’re only attracted to your spouse, I think that would eliminate a ton of tension and resentment.

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Karmanger · 2020-03-04T15:39:24+00:00

There would have to be a Unifying Activity that all People of the country/city would have to want to take part in. If there was a big social event that everyone could relate to, it would help everyone find commonality.

From there Schools would then have to have a new curriculum called Life skills, Which would teach the Basics of Taxes/social skills/cooking/grooming etc. With everyone one the same page and knowing the basics of how to network and do basic upkeep, beauty standards would most likely fall to Fashion Trends for SMV.

Now that Everyone has something to relate to and communication between the Sexes is normalized and not super specific between Gender preferred hobbies/interests... Male and female friendships will be more common making the average Social Group Bigger and more networked. More opportunities for like minded people to meet and feel each other out. Guys will not fall into the pitfall of not knowing that Girls like attractive men or not knowing what to talk about.

From having female friends they will pick up on flirting techniques that they use, and will be able to recognize when it's being used on them. Since Men would be more social Savy this would reduce the amount of cat-calls girls would receive and street harassment. Which in turn could make women feel more comfortable approaching their crushes first (maybe unlikely).

This is my opinion.

Mattcwu · 2020-03-04T16:00:20+00:00

I'm satisfied with the current situation. I just want everyone to understand the rules and the facts.

TrueReligionGenes · 2020-03-04T16:09:37+00:00

Since the whole point concerns competition, there arent any solutions that would make everyone winners, the closest thing would entail ensuring every male develops optimally, but even then that wont promise female sexual attraction, everyone wins when everyone = chad

rus9384 · 2020-03-04T17:31:20+00:00

Artificial people (androids or genetically engineered people) that are made to match men's/women's desires.

lazylurker53 · 2020-03-04T15:03:11+00:00

Sterilize humanity and allow this piece of shit species to fade into oblivion...uh I mean world peace

wtknight · 2020-03-04T13:09:23+00:00

There are no real solutions that will satisfy everybody. I don’t think that it’s optimal that everybody gets to mate. But I do think that more effort from average men and less casual sex from women and Chads will help somewhat. Even if there were realistic sexbots or VR programs, the people using them would know deep down that they couldn’t attract an actual human and feel inferior because of that.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2020-03-04T13:33:54+00:00

If we could do away with fakeup, and level the playing field, that would go a long way. Also like u/TheJim66 said, if you could shut the Pandora's box of OLD validation inflation, that would help immensely too.

Barneysparky · 2020-03-04T13:38:31+00:00

Artificial women aka sex dolls.

Robots might solve the issue of guys who cannot be friends with women but want to put their penis into a vagina.

analt223 · 2020-03-04T13:39:55+00:00

Every solution that makes mens lives better entirely explains the "evil patriarchy" that feminists claim to say oppresses us all. So no, you cant have a solution for everyone. Fewer women claim to be feminist than in prior decades, but more women believe in the general concepts of the ideology. They just hate the label

Darkseeker_Mau · 2020-03-04T15:56:19+00:00

What are some theoretical solutions that would lead to win-win situations for everyone in the purple pill debate - every pill?

If everybody worked together to eliminate judicial and law bias then literally everybody would be happy.

Even the people that don't care about sex relationships and injustice.

Of course people disagree about whether or not bias even exist, or even about towards what direction we should be correcting the problem.

AI_WAIFU · 2020-03-04T17:37:39+00:00

Super hot sentient sex robots. Everyone saying they won't fuck one will change their tune real quick when an 11/10 starts hitting on them.

BoogersAndSugar · 2020-03-04T17:53:52+00:00

Give all the ugly guys extreme plastic surgery and the short guys leg lengthening. Almost the entire manosphere would disappear within a week.

Tonga89 · 2020-03-04T22:58:24+00:00

Asexual reproduction and a system of chastes?

Orwells and Huxley wrote about this in "1984" and "Brave New World". Actually, in Huxley's distopic future, the humanity was divided in Alphas, Betas, Deltas and Epsilons.

Funny uh? Hahaha.

CHAD_TDK · 2020-03-05T03:36:09+00:00

No.

There's a mix of:

misinformation
delusion
entitlement
virtue signaling
unreasonable expectations (from others)

In most everyone.

Here's the thing, whether we like it or not, the status quo is the equilibrium, therefore equilibrium is as close to perfection as we have, since we all contribute/affect/effect it individually and collectively.

So, we collective have what we promote with our collective actions.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-03-04T14:15:40+00:00

I'm not one for top down solutions but my thought was always reducing the percentage of the population that is male. Civilization is mostly a boon to women, and women are more okay being a.) single and b.) gay, so there's always going to be an excess supply of dudes who are left out in the dust.

But I dunno, I tend to think that our "solutions" for society often have unintended consequences that we didn't foresee, and so I tend to be hesitant to proclaim that my ideas would be silver bullets to all our problems.

EDIT: except free markets, the authoritarian bootlickers are wrong about those

thedeadpill · 2020-03-04T14:32:49+00:00

I think a lot of people need to adjust their expectations.

I do not believe for a second that you either get a) a Perfect Spouse™ or b) settle-for-starfish-sex-and-shitty-marriage-until-woman-leaves-with-half-the-stuff.

There is some radical space in the middle where you settle with someone, and you grow together. I think the laws need a bit of adjustment to treat people more fairly, but, I don't think there's any reason in principle why people can't settle and cooperate.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-03-04T16:02:30+00:00

Never going to happen.

The beta men are woke now and will either opt out or just try and step up their beta game. One day, they'll realize the futility of infinite simping for what is growing female narcissism and entitlement.

The alpha male will just keep sport-fucking women and laughing at the idea he needs to commit to any one of them. The women who fuck him will continue to give it up for him and say "all men are assholes". Because when women say "all men" they really men 5% or so of men.

Females will continue to share top-value men among themselves and then frantically search for a beta provider when her baby rabies kicks in. Looking for a beta who looks as good as an alpha, she'll get immediately frustrated and decry: "Where Have All The Good Men Gone?" (WHATGMG). This will give some of the lower-value non-men a bit of schadenfreude, to be sure. Beta simps will still opt for the "provide for the Alpha Widow with kids" deal so he can get some table scraps in the deal. She'll still divorce rape him 1/2 of the time at least, because she resents the fact HE represents her need to settle in the first place. Of the marriages that don't end in divorce, we'll never know how many men are happy or just downright miserable because of social pressure to always appear happily married. I think about 1 in 5 married men are happy. That's 1 in 10 men are happy who marry, counting those who ended up divorced.

Society will continue to get worse. Misogyny is going to skyrocket - when this young generation of incels gets older, all colleges are going to need metal detectors at every door. School shootings won't even make the news anymore. Treatment of women online, on social media and dating sites will continue to decline. Chivalry will finally and rightfully die after a long , slow and torturous death due feminism's 50 year assault on men and masculinity (patriarchy). Males raised by single mothers (the new 'progressive' ideal) will continue to top the charts in underemployment, lower education, lower income, higher drug and alcohol use, higher instance of problems with the law, and more social problems including homelessness, violence and suicide. Feminists will just keep ramping up the blame on men (patriarchy) and women will double down on feminism and vote for socialist governments that have become their de-facto baby-daddy. The woman now has no use for the average man except to have contempt for him for daring to have a sex drive and look at anyone. He can toil in mines, server rooms, power stations, water treatment plants - just stay away from the women and their high-value men. As long he pays his taxes, doesn't look at anyone and doesn't approach any women (or go to a park with children there) he'll be tolerated. He'll be "allowed to live".

Women will one day be the only ones to get university degrees, and there will be ZERO men to branch swing up to - WHATGMG will reach critical mass. Women will either have to marry across or down (won't happen) marry each-other, or just stay alone keeping high-value men as sexual appendages. People across society will be less happier than ever before, especially women who bought into the feminist lie that they are perfect creatures who will have it all and should never settle. This will surprise nobody, since female happiness has been in steady decline for about 50 years now, the same "age" as feminism itself. This must be a coincidence.

Probably the happiest people will be MGTOWs who opted out of the game and just focused on their own self-interests and self-actualization. The biggest benefit to MGTOW is being free from the financial and legal implications of the mating arena and ultimately being turned into a disposable ATM machine for the benefit of others.

There's my dystopian view for now.

Title	Theoretically, are there any solutions that would satisfy everyone in this debate?
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Date	March 4, 2020 12:42 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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