Why so much hate for Sheryl Sandberg?

grendalor · 2015-08-04T17:40:16+00:00

It's not that Sandberg is hated, but rather that she has become the poster-child of AF/BB because of what she wrote. In other words, what she wrote (obviously she wasn't aware of what we were discussing, I am fairly certain) in her book dovetailed extremely closely with the ideas of AF/BB which we have been discussing in the manosphere for years, and simply said it in the way that a woman would say it to another woman. This basically both confirmed the idea as a strategy, while at the same time explicitly linking it with feminism and empowerment (which is what her entire book is about).

Basically, she unwittingly endorsed a red pill idea and tied it up with a ribbon for us. As a result, she's kind of the poster-child for the idea of AF/BB and a rather public, female, independent, and feminist confirmation of one of the core concepts of the red pill.

truthuncensored · 2015-08-04T17:53:27+00:00

I'm glad BP is acknowledging that AF/BB is real.

chazzALB · 2015-08-04T17:30:16+00:00

Because it reeks of entitlement. There seems to be some expectation that the bb's will be there when she's ready to settle down. Won't they have paired off with the women with an identical value system? And if they haven't paired off already should they be ecstatic that the same women who rejected now say "ok im ready for you. Come give me what's mine." Flip the genders and its equally disgusting.

Edit:LOL typo

babydocnorman · 2015-08-04T17:26:44+00:00

Sheryl Sandberg just said what many women think but aren't willing to admit. She articulated AF-BB from a female point of view. Yay for transparency.

Edit: After reviewing her comments again, I will say that the last line is classic hamsterese:

"These men (supportive betas) exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier."

So if they are so sexy, why weren't you fucking them in the first place?!

It's very difficult for someone who has developed a strong preference for spicy, highly seasoned foods to embrace a bland diet. Same applies to dick.

meehan666 · 2015-08-04T17:44:10+00:00

No hate. She tells her underlings to fuck "RP" type men when they are young and hot, thus, /r/TheRedPill is in the business of creating/supplying such men for her followers. She says to marry "BP" type men when they are not young and hot, well there is more than enough of a supply of such "men" outside of TRP. Really, the beta guys at /r/AskMen are the ones really getting angry; TRP sees it as an opportunity.

Purpuru · 2015-08-04T18:49:07+00:00

I think she's great. More young women should follow her advice. I'm happy to play the role of bad boy, and let some other chump be a woman's "settle down" man.

truthuncensored · 2015-08-04T18:44:45+00:00

She gives bad advice for a wide range of women.

It would be like hitting the lottery and having someone tell you: don't save, spend it before it's gone, you'll get it back. Sure, maybe that works for some people, but it's still all-around bad advice.

On a different tac, I'm glad SS spilled that ink. The fact that her message resonates with women confirms AF/BB. I guess TRP is right about some things after all. Imagine that.

darkstout · 2015-08-04T18:38:29+00:00

She also advocates "choreplay":

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/opinion/sunday/sheryl-sandberg-adam-grant-how-men-can-succeed-in-the-boardroom-and-the-bedroom.html?_r=0

She is literally telling men that doing laundry will turn on women.

She is trying to make beta men believe they are as sexy as alpha men.

Cyralea · 2015-08-04T17:46:15+00:00

No one wants to feel settled for.
But if women actually want to enjoy what it is that TRP men obsess about "SEX SEX SEX SEX," then it behooves her to follow this script.

You answered your own question in the first two sentences. Female sexual strategy is directly at odds with male sexual strategy.

The problem, however, is that she has the backing of an incredibly powerful social and economic force, Feminism. Male sexuality is demonized. Men don't want to be settled for, but look how much hate TRP'ers get when we try to work things in our favour.

Thing is, most men are not aware of AFBB. For Sandberg to brazenly state it like that is incredibly jarring to the average beta. That's why he hates her viscerally.

smokingmonkey420 · 2015-08-04T18:19:52+00:00

It's just bad advice all around. For fucks sake, women don't need any more encouragement to become sluts. I consistently hear from both men and women that having a fulfilling relationship is more satisfying than meaningless casual sex. That sex is better overall when you feel passionately about your partner.

Furthermore, you're only hot and sexy for so long and then what? Past 30 for women and past 35 for men is going to lead to a drastic decrease in SMV and overall interest in sex.

This is the time at the very latest that people should be raising families. That's not going to happen for a significant portion of this generation. Men don't want to marry sluts and women don't want to marry beta's. So we're all just going to be old, lonely and miserable and that will only be the least of the problems we will all face together.

Can one celebrity out there promote values, self-respect and morality? It would be a miracle.

Lonny_zone · 2015-08-04T19:37:15+00:00

Betas are not happy about the Sandberg method because it means even more men will have to struggle to get laid in their 20s.

PemBayliss · 2015-08-04T17:21:01+00:00

I'll construe this post as your admission that alpha fux, beta bux exists, and that women use it as a sexual strategy. Agreed?

It isn't that Sandberg is "hated". Her notoriety at TRP and in the manosphere is based on her laying bare the AFBB and hypergamous sexual strategies all women either do use or want to use. Also, the paragraph perpetuates the lie that women really are sexually attracted to beta bitchboys in "egalitarian" relationships.

The paragraph in question is:

When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.

PemBayliss · 2015-08-04T17:42:27+00:00

Get it out of your system.

Thing is that when women follow an AFBB strategy, they don't get the AFs "out of their systems". The AFs stay there in their systems forever, creating millions of women marrying men they aren't attracted to.

AnnoyingSeaAnt · 2015-08-04T17:18:24+00:00

Ban bossy campaign "Would everyone think of the poor CEO women oppressed by criticism!"

Oh , and "We're doing e-MKULTRA experiments , sorry for the inconvenience"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/07/02/sheryl-sandberg-apologizes-for-facebook-emotion-manipulation-study-kind-of/

As for the AF/BB thesis, that just prove her massive hypocrisy regarding her own feminism especially of "Sexual advances are creepy" kind.

GuitarsAreGettingOld · 2015-08-04T17:17:21+00:00

I don't hate her. 6/10, would bang.

throwinout · 2015-08-04T17:41:03+00:00

I didn't see anger at Sandberg, I saw anger at people denying that strategy when it was so prominent. You can't blame women for doing that, so TRP says don't be that BB if you don't want to be. Don't believe the lies that say it doesn't happen and it can't happen.

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-08-04T20:52:50+00:00

ITT we have TBP finally admitting TRP has been right all along.

I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE · 2015-08-04T21:56:29+00:00

Counter question. As a man who pays his own bills, has a car, a home, and a stable life... Why should I get married? What's in it for me?

I don't even care that you've slept around. Marry early? How about never, ever again.

TheSandbergPrinciple · 2015-08-04T17:44:36+00:00

Why would i hate her? She readily espouses TRP truths. It makes it far easier to recruit when these truths come from the mouths of WOMEN. Especially famous women. Women love opportunistically, men love idealistically. The women i hate are the ones that deny TRP (but basically live a lifestyle that confirms it). The only logical conclusion to Sandberg's quote is that in order to win the game, you shouldn't even play the game.

Also, she's the inspiration for my username :)

0473332002285 · 2015-08-05T01:16:43+00:00

The problem is there are two groups of men within TRP.

Group 1: has no issues with Sandberg, because they love the new hookup culture and are busy getting a piece of it. They use TRP for self improvement and seduction/strategy, etc. and to hang with other like-minded men. TBP loves to pretend these dudes don't exist on TRP, but they do, and in vast numbers.

Group 2: AFCs, basically. A bunch of overweight, bitter, and unattractive men who use TRP as a place to basically bemoan all the sex women are having without them. They pay lip service to self improvement, but truthfully they've given up on themselves long ago. They are the stereotypical angry loser that TBP talks about, and they also exist in vast numbers. Group 2 HATES Sandberg, because they blame her and others like her for the sexual frustration they have endured.

Does this make sense? Theres overlap obviously, but I think the bimodal distribution I describe holds.

Epicureanist · 2015-08-04T17:32:23+00:00

No hate. I just think it's poor advice. For women who want casual sex without a relationship, it's good advice; but they don't really need it, they know what to do.

For women who want long-term relationships with a quality, playing the field is poor advice. Sleeping around, fucking on the first date, etc. devalue you to the quality guy you're trying to attract. You're probably going to end up with a boring, unattractive husband that you give monthly duty sex to.

Maybe I'm making a lot of poor assumptions about what quality guys think or believe, but no one wants a car with 100k miles. I'm currently the alpha fucks of two girls and I would hate to be the guy that they marry. I text these girls once a week, have fun sex, and ignore them. I seriously feel nothing for them other than a convenient hole and banter, yet one of them wants to date me..

My experience being the passionate guy is the reason I will never date women who got pumped by alphas. If I ever decide to find a long-term partner, I'll go for early 20s, maybe find a mid 20s who focused on career, but I'd rather die alone than go with a used up girl who failed to get commitment from her alpha.

I have a sister and my advice to her is going to be: find an alpha that wants commitment. Date him, don't give up sex easily; emotional commitment and a monogamous relationship are what should lead to sex.

NineInchPitchfork · 2015-08-04T18:14:44+00:00

Can someone give some more context here? I googled her and see that she is COO of fb and that her husband recently died. I also read the quote attributed to her about af/bb which seems totally legit. So who is it that hates her and why?

Purpuru · 2015-08-04T19:17:18+00:00

You might find a previous PPD discussion interesting.

www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/29l99b/talk_me_down_blue_pillers_two_womensadvice/

Purpuru · 2015-08-04T20:42:50+00:00

My poor attempt at flipping the quote:

When looking for a life partner, my advice to men is date all of them: the wild girls, the vain girls, the promiscuous girls, the crazy girls. But do not marry them. The things that make the wild girls sexy do not make them good wives. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants a capable partner. Someone who thinks men should be leaders, strong-willed and stoic. Someone who values complimentary roles and expects or, even better, wants to do her role in the home. These women exist and, trust me, over time, nothing else is worthy of commitment.

wazzup987 · 2015-08-04T21:20:22+00:00

I reall dont give a shit about any of the stuff RP complains about but i dont like sheryl sand burg because she comes off as whiny and unable to hand the same shit men deal with. it not because shes a ceo and it not because shes a woman it because she expect special treatment .

Dietyz · 2015-08-06T16:34:22+00:00

We don't hate sandberg, she is straight up. We just use her as an example to prove points because she believes that TRP based thinking is useful for a success driven woman. Which is what TRP has been saying this whole time

pickup_sticks · 2015-08-04T17:15:26+00:00

The issue is that when you're 21 you're less likely to attract the woman you want because she's attracted to older/more successful guys.

Title	Why so much hate for Sheryl Sandberg?
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