Will there ever be a solution?

GinSmokeLies · 2017-12-20T15:07:36+00:00

With all due respect, I find these kinds of questions silly. For a couple of reasons.

Debate of this nature isn't really about "finding solutions." People are here to discuss and think critically about a topic of interest to them. For most people here I think the discussion is an end in itself. It's brain food.
There are new people here all the time. If you've been around a while it does start to seem like the same topics getting rehashed over and over, but you have to remember this isn't the same community it was six months or a year ago. For a lot of people here, we are covering new ground.
I've been here on and off for about three years. In that time I have watched individuals here and the community as a whole alter their views on many topics. I used to be so blue pill people thought I was a troll; now people ask me all the time why my flair isn't red. Several premises that used to be hotly contested here are know more or less accepted by both sides, at least among the regulars. Change is gradual, it doesn't happen overnight, but if you're paying attention you can see it. It's actually one of the most fascinating things about this place to me.
The topics we discuss here are inherently colored by people's experiences, backgrounds etc. So much of it is subjective, you can't expect a consensus to ever be reached.

If you expect PPD to be a place where hearts are changed, progress is made and solutions are forged, you're going to be disappointed. If you approach it as what it is, which is a place to expose yourself to new perspectives and discuss a niche topic with interesting people, it's a lot of fun.

tl;dr it's not that deep.

Prince-Noctis · 2017-12-20T14:42:20+00:00

Humans have a tendency to think in a linear fashion, but the reality of this answer and of many others is that there is more than one solution.

Dubslav_von_Chekem · 2017-12-20T21:17:33+00:00

No. That's the point. Sexual selection helps us keep our gene pool diverse and fit for the challenges of the age.

Working as intended.

NalkaNalka · 2017-12-20T14:52:39+00:00

Nobody here is trying to solve society. People are here for their own edification. Or to have fun in bouts of intellectual jousting.

The relation between the sexes is going to do whatever it's going to do regardless of whatever happens with the pills.

As a side note, while it might seem that people are entrenched in their views there is quite a bit of mobility. While people don't often change their first premises they do learn new things and change their ideas about many parts of the sexual dynamic.

goatismycopilot · 2017-12-20T14:46:53+00:00

There won't be a solution so individuals will figure it out on their own or rail against the circumstances on their own, that is not to say circumstances beyond us will not force solutions but there is not going to be one where everybody is satisfied.

LUClEN · 2017-12-21T02:39:45+00:00

I used to frequent here a lot. I found it made dating unenjoyable.

Letting go of all the win-lose sexual strategy bullshit improved my dating experiences tenfold. Just get lost in the adventures: live in the moments and enjoy them when you get them because sometimes they come few and far between.

People are so focused on treating people and relationships as means to ends they're not enjoying them for them. Totally ruined my dating life for awhile and this has been my solution.

Electra_Cute · 2017-12-20T14:43:39+00:00

Solution to what?

truedemocracy3 · 2017-12-20T15:19:30+00:00

Solution? Anyone talking like this (on both sides) is taking this stuff waaaay too seriously. It's why MRAs and feminists are jokes to begin with - you are lucky enough to (most likely) be born at this time and place in history, access to modern resources in a western country. If you really think gender roles are bad enough in the west to ACTIVELY complain about then you are just a pessimistic person to be around.

As for the topics and debate, yea it's repetitive. Similar to an atheist vs theist debate once you cover the bases it's unlikely youll unearth new ground except when society demands it (ie how does this sub frame Trumps election, #MeToo, and any number of things). But there are much more areas in life to spend brain capacity on than this place if you arent having fun.

I get bored at work, love debating, and feel like I know the topics here better than most, so enjoy this sub. Dont think a 'solution' is really the answer.

RooseChange · 2017-12-20T16:55:09+00:00

I'm here because feminism and the social changes that have resulted from it is a major topic of our times and I want to form a stronger opinion, for my own enrichment, by coming to a place where people debate the issue. I also read RP, BP, XX, dating forums, etc, but those subs are just safe spaces for one side or the other to jerk (or rub) themselves so they're not as interesting. Mostly, though, it's just that I'm bored at work.

If I actually wanted to find a solution and change the world I wouldn't be wasting my time on reddit, heh.

wtknight · 2017-12-20T18:21:32+00:00

These debates are only going to naturally occur more as women gain more power and men relatively lose power. This sub is more of a sociological phenomenon than it is an attempt of one side to try and prove the other side wrong.

Drippyskippy · 2017-12-20T19:49:07+00:00

The solution to all of this is MGTOW :P

Cunari · 2017-12-21T04:58:02+00:00

The solution is to abort men until sexual equilibrium is reached. Women are valued over men in other areas too. There's a surplus of men.

ReluctantSlimeball · 2017-12-21T12:07:13+00:00

Red Pill is slowly but surely becoming mainstream if only in a vague sense.

I was talking to a colleague who I only know peripherally as he text a girl “Well whatever you do don’t be too nice or to keen!”

“Ha ha no I know their game that’s not what they want at all”

Maybe it was because we’re both just the wrong side of thirty but i don’t believe so. I think the genie’s out of the bottle in regards to female attraction cues.

It’ll be interesting to see how far it spreads. Will it be the only subject of interest for schoolboys giving notoriously picky girls a much harder (or easier) time selecting?

I’m happy to be described as a Red Piller although there’s loads I disagree with but I do look forward to a more level playing field where nice guys disappear for their own sakes. The current SMP is hideously unequal and that inequality (which I’ve lived through) is what drew me to Red Pill.

We live in an age where below average women are doing better than many above average men. Especially when young. Whatever the solution it’s good that this ends.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-12-20T14:46:58+00:00

The Big Picture is that women have absolute power in the realm of sex because nature made men obsessed with them. Women choose men, women judge men and even do it in groups. The man all women want is tall, socially well-adjusted, has friends just like him, has a good career and looks good.

If you can become that man, you will not have any trouble with women. So why are you still here? If you can't become that man, you should give up because you will only find disappointment.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-12-20T17:56:36+00:00

The solution is change the economy to a socialist one.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-12-20T15:36:38+00:00

I guess what I'm trying to get at is: Will any of these "pills" have any long-term effect on how relationships between men and women are in the future?

Less marriage, more cat ladies

GayLubeOil · 2017-12-20T16:54:15+00:00

Have a seat on daddy GaylubeOil's lap so he can explain the situation. The Blue Pill exists to affirm moral superiority. They don't want a solution otherwise they would have provided a viable alternative by now.

The Red Pill can be split into two categories. Normtard Red Pill who thinks that the Blue Pill is our enemy. Football Watching Cod Playing Normies believe in black and white distinctions they can't comprehend synergistic interactions. This is what happens when a complex ideological concept is reinterpreted by the defacto illiterate.

Next there is the Real Red Pill who takes a cynical view and understands that Bloopies are our buddies and are the main vehicle by which we spread our ideology. The more radical the Feminist, the Redder her hair and the more antagonistic she is, the more useful she is to the Red Pill.

The long-term goal of the Red Pill is to facilitate a cultural shift right. We are winning slowly but winning.

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notworthmuch20xx · 2017-12-20T18:00:23+00:00

No, the end

caesarfecit · 2017-12-20T21:05:58+00:00

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-clickhere- · 2017-12-22T12:52:10+00:00

Is one side right? and other wrong?

When you say "solution", the assumption is that there is an optimal endpoint that everyone is trying to reach.

I think people are different. So different goals. BluePill may work for some, Red for others, Black for others, and one day a new color will emerge, and so on.

But, if you are asking "whats the point of this?", the answer is people cycle through here, get what they need, and move on, so think of this place as a type of therapy, with new people arriving and leaving every day.

Bonus: If you really do want a "solution", its simple: Try both sides (blue, and red) and see which one works for you. That its. Nothing more. The entire debate on here is rather pointless, and just for filling time, in my opinion. Either you try it, or you don't. And once you try it, you see what works for you, and its over.

(there is a reason why the RedPill sub is 400,000 all reporting their experiences, and BluePill is 40,000 bitching about Red). IMO

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-12-20T15:19:17+00:00

Only solution is the sweet release of death.

daveofmars · 2017-12-21T01:25:26+00:00

This is normal. You can't convince people on the other side. It's better to focus on the bystanders, but it's best to focus on the next generation.

It's my opinion that TBP fails to give the next generation anything of value. It says: be yourself, be polite, always treat women with respect. That's Nice Guy shit. That's where Nice Guys come from. TRP does give you something of substance, even if that thing is immature and ultimately fleeting - poon. Say what you want about that, but you can't deny that TRP does give them something, and something is better than nothing. We gon' win. It's only a matter of time.

Title	Will there ever be a solution?
Author	ThrowawayCactus6012
Upvotes	6
Comments	136
Date	December 20, 2017 2:38 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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