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I'm not a soldier, guy. Here is a breakdown of exactly what you don't understand, so you can be a little more educated next time you attempt to have this conversation. Firstly though, you've decided to take the coward's way out and set the only measurable criteria as the amount "you contribute in taxes,"

It costs a lot more in taxes to keep you in the military than you contribute in taxes.

which is moronic. Of course the DOD spends more on pay than the soldiers contribute in taxes. How in the world do you figure a better alternative? Should the employees of the military end up being taxed more than the total amount they make throughout the year?

That argument is too retarded to touch, so here are some facts. Keep note of the date associated with each figure, as the information may not always represent budget percentages of the same year. It is intended to give you a ballpark idea of the dollar values used.

In 2016, The DOD was allotted $634.2 billion, which was about 16% of the total budget. Of that, how much do you think is being spent on soldiers at all? 50 percent maybe? 70?

"Roughly one-quarter of the Department of Defense’s budget is for military personnel" https://www.cbo.gov/topics/defense-and-national-security/military-personnel

These guys must be getting paid pretty well, because $158 billion is still a STAGGERING 4% of your tax dollars!

Does all that money go only to soldiers? While 1.4 million military personnel serve on active duty, a total of nearly 10 million people are eligible for military health benefits. In addition to active-duty military personnel, the people who have access to health benefits include eligible family members of those personnel, retired military personnel and their eligible family members, survivors of service members who died while on active duty, and some members of the reserves and National Guard. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/43574 (second paragraph after "military compensation includes...") That figure is from 2013

So, of the 4% of your tax dollars that go to military personnel, service members make up about 14% of the 10 million people covered by that chunk of funds.

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My statement about taxes was in response to another, but if we're going that route: what reason, if any, should I subsidize military and their family's healthcare when mine is so expensive? If we're not going to have full coverage for everyone, I don't see why my taxes should be spent on others, especially non active duty and their families.

Using 16% of the total taxes as your figure is disingenuous. Our FY2017 discretionary budget is $1.2T, which is those not taxed and allocated separately, such as SS, Medicare (which is its own issue, but mostly in the discrimination), etc.

So our $582B DoD budget is 48% of our discretionary budget. This doesn't include the $47B for Homeland Security, which is its own bullshit which is primarily pork and doesn't really benefit us. It also doesn't include the VA's $75B, which is another cost of the military. So we're looking at 58% of the discretionary budget so far for defense related activities, and we haven't even included the state department's $52B, much of which could be considered related to defense.

Compare this to parts of our taxes which aren't so wasteful and are more necessary than a bloated military, such as energy at $30B, education at $69B, Health and Human Services at $78B, and NASA at $18B, which contributions to provide a whopping $14 to the economy for every dollar contributed.

When our schools are failing, our public health is atrocious, India is setting world records in space, and we're being outpaced by China in renewable energy, can we really afford such a bloated, pork filled, inefficient military, just so Dick Cheney can afford another yacht? I'd say no.

I'm not saying the military is unnecessary. I am saying that every soldier that signs up is contributing to the problem, as is everyone who votes for representatives who pass pro military legislature.

Source since requested: https://www.thebalance.com/current-us-discretionary-federal-budget-and-spending-3306308

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Yeah, let's just pull the US military out of everywhere and see how fast the middle east goes to more of a shit hole than it is right now. Let's just defund and eliminate the military. That's what a giant fucking cuck like you wants, isn't it? Let's see how fast Russia invades the rest of Ukraine. Let's see how many MORE women and children ISIS rapes and enslaves and sells into more rape and slavery. Let's see how many MORE gays they throw off buildings. Let's see how many MORE civilians they blow up and behead. Let's see how fast Iran develops nuclear weapons tech. Let's see how long it takes for the DPRK to attack SK when our presence leaves the Pacific. Let's see how many naval bases China builds in the south Pacific and how fast they attack Taiwan. Go graduate high school and then read a newspaper for once in your life.

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What the fuck. She is completely wrong. A career in the military can be an amazing and fullfilling thing. You will get benefits, you will have a stable income, and you will get to be apart of something far far greater than yourself. The military offers so many career paths the options are basically endless. Plus if you choose to you can get a free education after you serve. The armed forces are certainly not for everyone, but for a lot of people it's a life changing thing. It opens up so many doors, and it helps them find out their interests, passions, and their skills.

In the end you get to serve your country, be apart of something incredible, make so many connections with other people, a career (if you choose that route), an education, discipline, and life long friends.

You obviously are an uneducated dipshit if you agree with any of what that retard in the post said. I mean seriously, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you should do a little research next time before you open your dumbass mouth. You're only making yourself look like an uniformed and over opinionated imbecile.

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Okay. Off the cuff.

Trademarks are a certain set of uniquely identifiable words, images, slogans, etc. The uniqueness comes about by using a particular font or logo. Such marks are used to brand products sold by merchants and are the sole property of that merchant. It is up to the merchant to protect his brand from counterfeiting.

Restrictions are likewise imposed on a merchant's goods, typically in the form of contract or licensing that dictate usage. For example, the EULAs that most computer users click through without reading contain a list of restrictions that they agree to by clicking.

A patent is a set of exclusive rights obtained by an inventor for a limited period of time in exchange for detailed public disclosure of an invention. An invention is a solution to a specific technological problem in the form of a product, method, or process, but cannot be an idea.

It is worth noting that this is all according to US law. In other countries, the laws may be entirely different or nonexistent.

Welcome to the Internet!

Protip: Don't falsely accuse me of stealing information. You would be wrong and it is a waste of time.

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Anecdotal story that kind of relates. I had a good friend in high school and college who decided to join the Army in 2001, I went the separate route and joins the Sheriff's Department. We both spent about four years in our respective professions, he left with a college degree paid for, lifelong healthcare, and a truckload of other benefits. I left the Sheriff's office with PTSD, majorly in debt (I only made $27k a year supporting a family of three and a college education), and a life long medical issue. He always thought it was fucked up how differently I was treated for my sacrifices vs his. I never felt entitled to anything at all, and neither did he. People would thank him for his service and he'd say "thank this man for his too." After long discussions we realized it just came down to people's interactions with us when we we're in our careers. You talk to a military guy in uniform in America, generally it's under somewhat good circumstances, not the same with cops generally those ones aren't so good and I suppose that creates a difference for some. Anyways, just though all of it was interesting how we treat military members above all others, as we should when warranted, but others who do similar and often more dangerous work aren't looked at the same.

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no affect on your own life.

I'm treated differently if I don't show the same blind-adoration of my country's service members. I'm treated like an asshole that has zero respect for people that 'sacrifice everything to protect my freedom' if I don't worship someone that spent maybe a year deployed.....in a country that had no danger and was honestly something that person gloats about and wishes for nothing more than to go back.

I live in a country where we spend more on military than the next 10 (I'm probably wrong on the number) countries combined on the list...and those 10 are our allies. My taxes go towards it. I know how worthless millions of those dollars are when funneled into that direction, due to overspending and untracked spending with zero punishments.

But dare I question these things? I am unpatriotic and an asshole with no respect and hate freedom and my country.

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[–]assault_rifle_ -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mr_Tomernator 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Justinw303 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]assault_rifle_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]DomHaynie 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]tossout4123 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]DomHaynie 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Arsenault185 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]lucystilldreams 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Mr_Tomernator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Monsignor_Gilgamesh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]TyppaHaus 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]LarryLove 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]MadMonk67 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Darktidemage 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]LordNelson27 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]HublotKingCole 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CuckVonCIs 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]lydocia1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]nonmillenial -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Arsenault185 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]RancidFruit -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Daddy007FTW 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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Title	Owned!
Author	AdamE89
Upvotes	6181
Comments	274
Date	February 15, 2017 2:32 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/5u7p0p/owned/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPassDenied/owned.931893 https://theredarchive.com/post/931893

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