Female Confirmation from some of the female sedditors

frogma · 2011-02-17T21:03:23+00:00

You're wrong in that assumption. A guy who has experience in getting girls can provide much better advice than the average girl. He can tell you exactly what he did.

It's hard for anyone to give advice to the opposite sex- think of the advice you would give to a girl who wants to seduce men. You'd tell her "dress nice, be confident, etc.," but anyone can give that advice. The best advice she'd be able to get would come from another girl who's more experienced.

Anyway, you're not the first person to bring this up. Look at some of the advice from girls in r/relationshipadvice and you'll see why they're not the greatest people to ask.

It's not necessarily that most girls don't know what they want, but a lot of times they can't tell you exactly what the guy did to succeed. They'll also usually tell you something that's more consistent with what you'd see in a chick flick, as opposed to what alpha males actually think and do. You'd have to ask an alpha male.

Edit: and if AFCGirl knows she's been with some PUAs, those guys weren't doing it right.

AFCGirl · 2011-02-17T21:12:25+00:00

In general:

You should always have the mindset that it is the women who should be chasing you (at least as much as you are chasing them, ideally a little more). That said, revealing that you are attracted to a woman is in itself attractive (ie, don't pretend that you are completely disinterested or they won't bite).

Treat women with the same level of respect that you treat men. Too many men put the pussy on the pedestal, so to speak, and too many more men who realize that it doesn't work overreact by being absolute douchebags.

If I'm going to engage in physical intimacy with someone, it's going to be someone who treats me as a human being. Don't DLV yourself by pretending I'm anything else.

Avoid spending money on women who haven't done anything to deserve it (and never do it twice in a row), and don't let the brats spoiled by men who do con you.

Also, physical attractiveness is WAY more important than people who sell PUA material make it out to be.

FL_Sunshine · 2011-02-17T22:47:27+00:00

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AFCGirl · 2011-02-17T20:35:50+00:00

I'm usually hesitant to answer questions like these (or voice my opinion when I disagree with something someone says) because it's a common belief in the PUA community that women don't understand what they want, and therefore anything they say will be incongruent with what actually works. For the record, I think this is bullshit.

My personal experience in the field is also pretty limited, but I have been targeted by a handful of PUAs with varying success and I am fairly self-aware and analytical about how the behavior of these men affect me. If you are still interested, I can try to describe my perspective of events and how they affected my perception of and willingness to have sex with these men. Do also bear in mind that this is all anecdote revolving around a single female.

FL_Sunshine · 2011-02-17T21:50:39+00:00

To answer for myself, with what has worked in a pick up sense (not a LTR), I can attempt to help. I'm attractive with a Type A personality:

LEARN TO READ BODY LANGUAGE.

That's the single biggest thing I can stress because most of the items that have worked with me require confidence, knowing how to keep my interest and touching at appropriate times. This is a very nuanced issue and can easily turn creepy if not done at the right time (hence the need for being able to read body language).

What piques & keeps my interest is strong conversational skills - someone who shows interest in me but is skilled enough at conversation to keep me from prattling endlessly about the crap I know you don't want to hear about and still manage to spew out. (Girls get nervous too you know)

Everyone likes a fun person. An ability to make me laugh is another strong way of keeping my attention.

The best PUA I've ever experienced kept eye contact and would physically get my back to the room (isolate me) and show avid interest in what I was saying. A hand on the knee, leaning in, etc. If she is leaning into you, mirror her! Pay attention to her 'go' signals.

My experience with the majority of people is that they really don't like to make decisions. Ever notice that when a group of people go to lunch together it's 30 minutes before everyone decides where to go? Women, like many men, like someone to take charge. I don't mean be an asshole and controlling, just make statements rather than questions:

"Let's get a drink" rather than "Can I get you a drink?"

It's subtle. She can still say no, but people really do seem to be relieved when someone else is capable of making decisions and taking the lead. I do believe that gender issues come into play. Even as a Type A personality I'm impressed by a man that steps up and handles a situation.

DrTwitch · 2011-02-17T23:49:27+00:00

A lot of guys I think enjoy talking to other guys about their problems with women. If I wanted a female perspective I could pick up a magazine, talk to any of the girls on facebook, etc. But getting good advice from males, who don't know you, who have been where you want to go.... Is more useful. This movement started as a sorta counter-culture against the women dominate relationship advice field. Why would I want to dilute it?

Furthermore women are claiming to be critiquing their experiences with PUAs. However unless there are millions and millions of practising PUAs out there (and there really isn't) I doubt you have. I believe women are labelling naturals as PUAs.

The advice you gave, I could of quite easily found amongst PUA material already. It's pretty standard. So if you can't offer new advice, or you can't share some type of learning experience, then what can you offer?

Men and women are coming from different places. All you have to do is turn up, look pretty, and try to contribute to the conversation. You may have judged more men then the worlds best PUA, but you haven't communicated a usable experience to anywhere near as many men who are clueless. You haven't been through that many rejections and found a way to keep your world intact. You're the source of a flakiness, but you've never had to deal with it. You can see how others think that women can't articulate their emotional needs. This may or may not be true. But it's a view from after having asked women for advice that led to frustration. That couldn't mesh with a MENS EXPERIENCE of reality.

I am not saying that you don't have valid ideas. I am just trying to say that we congregate here, rather then at women dominated forums in order to obtain conversation without... women.

geneveve · 2011-02-17T22:39:41+00:00

The majority of PUA technique works on me.

The one suggestion I have read on here that I do not respond favorably to (personal preference) is talking to your target set after talking to everyone else in the bar. I do not see it as complimentary and will immediately not be interested.

This is the same if a guy opens my friends and talks to me (assuming I'm the target, humor me here) last. Instead of being intrigued and wanting to talk to him, I just find myself bored and will not be interested by the time he gets around to me.

This is definitely my personal preference as I'm sure the technique works just fine on most women.

I agree with everything else that is given as typical PUA methods. Especially "let's meet on Friday for drinks." It is so frustrating to have a string of texts back and forth to try to make plans because the initial message was, "When are you free to hang out?"

ThundarPawnch · 2011-02-17T23:24:15+00:00

Seduction is hard.

Just today, while I was working a guy I thought was cute came in. He went and sat down and I a bit later I went by him.

"Hey! How is everything?" "Great, thank you."

Damn. What now? Oh well, walk away.

...

No, wait, what's wrong with me? I have balls of STEEL!

"My name is [name], by the way." "Oh, my name is Doug." "Yeah, I know... I brought you your food..." "Yeah..." "Nice to meet you." "Nice to meet you, too."

Damn.

When he left he went out the back door (the door he was sitting at and parked near, it would have been weird had he came up front) I guess he didn't like me that much.

Guys... it's in your hands, now. http://mynumbermeansnothing.blogspot.com/

RedErin · 2011-02-17T22:07:10+00:00

Here ya go

Title	Female Confirmation from some of the female sedditors
Author	HSChronic
Upvotes	25
Comments	88
Date	February 17, 2011 8:12 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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